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Post by NC1974 on Jan 22, 2018 13:32:36 GMT -6
I agree that kids should be involved in as much as they want to in HS. But I can relate to the idea that some sports teams might have better cultures than others. This is one reason why I am intrigued by the idea of having an all athletes strength program like the ones Vanderbush and Silky run. You would obviously need the right guys in place, but I think this could help build the entire athletic programs culture, status, etc.
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Post by NC1974 on Jan 1, 2018 13:29:49 GMT -6
I've been trying to figure this out as well. Along with the link above, here is another. As far as I can tell, there are two versions of Vault right now. The one I've linked below came from a recent email from glazier. it allows to me to log in but tells me I don't have access when I try to watch the pistol offense stuff www.glazierclinics.com/vaultWhile I appreciate the content, I have always found glazier's online stuff to be frustrating to navigate.
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Post by NC1974 on Nov 16, 2017 9:27:30 GMT -6
When do those systems go up? Jan 1?
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 28, 2017 22:25:32 GMT -6
Seriously, we're still having "culture" issues? After all the posts last off-season? I thought this issue was fixed! BTW, what is going to be the new buzzword this off-season? Huddlehut, Did you create a separate account so you could use it to focus solely on your disdain for everything "culture" related? LOL
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 27, 2017 18:02:12 GMT -6
This is obviously my opinion, and I know things are different everywhere, but if you have kids who chronically miss school but still make it to practice, that is a "culture" problem. To me it means that there are kids who for whatever reason can make getting to football a priority, but can't make getting to school a priority. Regardless of record, that sounds like a losing culture to me. And again, I'm not referring to a kid who missed for a Dr. appt. I'm referring to guys who regularly miss classes. I'm a little surprised that more people don't see that as a football problem. How do you demand accountability, personal responsibility, etc, and not address this issue? Straw man??? Not intentionally, maybe I misinterpreted something. The OP was referred to how to get kids to stop missing practices as part of his original q. I chimed in "what about kids who miss school but make it to practice?" I was surprised by the number of people who seemed to feel this wasn't necessarily their concern as football coaches.
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 27, 2017 17:09:36 GMT -6
This is obviously my opinion, and I know things are different everywhere, but if you have kids who chronically miss school but still make it to practice, that is a "culture" problem. To me it means that there are kids who for whatever reason can make getting to football a priority, but can't make getting to school a priority. Regardless of record, that sounds like a losing culture to me. And again, I'm not referring to a kid who missed for a Dr. appt. I'm referring to guys who regularly miss classes. I'm a little surprised that more people don't see that as a football problem. How do you demand accountability, personal responsibility, etc, and not address this issue?
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 27, 2017 10:45:24 GMT -6
I wouldn't cut them, but I would have some sort of consequence. To me, if a kid is being a jag in school, they do not deserve the privilege of playing time. I'm referring to chronic offenders.
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 26, 2017 13:17:49 GMT -6
So let's say you have a kid who chronically misses school. Teacher marks him absent, calls home, and alerts the HC. Should the HC get involved? I say yes. If a kid cannot make the effort to get to school regularly, he has not earned the privilege of playing time. And I'm not talking about an absence here or there for Dr. appt etc.
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 26, 2017 13:02:22 GMT -6
Yeah I guess I have a couple of related questions:
-Do others have a policy about needing to attend school in order to attend practice? -If you are aware of a player missing school, is there a consequence at football, i.e. run, sit out practice, etc
This is something I'm seeing more of lately. Kids miss school but come to practice. Personally, I think that's a problem.
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 26, 2017 12:51:31 GMT -6
So if a teacher emails you and says Johhny hasn't been to my 3rd period class all week. No consequence?
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 26, 2017 12:42:40 GMT -6
What do you guys do about kids who miss all or parts of school day but then come to practice?
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Post by NC1974 on Oct 21, 2017 17:56:18 GMT -6
Well,
And expect other team's coaches to respect the game and control their players.
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 14, 2017 11:47:59 GMT -6
This debate is starting to sprawl, but I just want to clarify my view: I don't think anyone is doomed to failure. I believe in personal accountability and hard work. I think we need to champion the idea of self reliance and at the same time highlight injustice. You are asking for evidence. I am not going to take the time to compile a list but I will share one example: Ferguson, MO, everybody was fired up about the Michael Brown incident on all sides. What got a lot less attention about a year later was the DOJ's report on the Ferguson Policing Practices. Links below. The report clearly demonstrates that the African American community in Ferguson was disproportionately "policed" for years. This is injustice. Now I'm not saying that African Americans in Ferguson should play the victim, but I sure wouldn't blame them if they felt the need to nonviolently draw attention to the injustices they are experiencing. And I would have a hard time telling a young person who is following this story that I will not allow him to express his feelings in a nonviolent appropriate way. www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/03/04/the-12-key-highlights-from-the-dojs-scathing-ferguson-report/?utm_term=.153005381820
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 14, 2017 6:07:13 GMT -6
I hear this parroted over and again in this thread as the (self righteous) justificiation from dividing/deviating from the TEAM. WHAT "injustice" are you referring to that is backed up with statisitcal evidence? The attitudes and motivations behind these victim campaigns isn't about righting some wrong, its about political power thrust, like getting aggressively hostile with a McDonalds manager because you got pickles on your McCrap burger. There is no real crime, youre just forcing someone to give you attention while you see how far you can push things to your will (and,most importantly, not be accountable for your own actions) My son is 'black'. I can assure you there is nothing holding him back in society. The only thing that will hold him back is a lack of self-reliance and personal accountability. He isn't victimized by some inherent boogeyman system of supremacy. Quite the opposite, in fact The only way to be "oppressed" in America is to have no education (no skills), no job and have ridiculous financial overhead (have a kid). This is true regardless of race, sex or orientation So you deny the existence of injustice? Do believe it has ever existed? Jim Crow Laws? Redlining? Restrictive covenants that kept homeowners from selling to people of color? Predatory lending? These are all well documented historical injustices that may never have ceased if people didn't stand up to them. Or do you just believe that it is useless acknowledging them? And do you believe there is none today? If that's the case, we'll have to agree to disagree. "The only way to be "oppressed" in America is to have no education (no skills), no job and have ridiculous financial overhead (have a kid). This is true regardless of race, sex or orientation" In regards to your above quote, history supports that all of these things were made worse for people of color: Education: Brown v Board of Education No Job: Discriminatory hiring along with inferior education opportunities Ridiculous Financial Overhead: The only way for people of color to buy a home in many northern cities up through the 1960s was to agree to exorbitant interest rates, and were only allowed to buy in certain neighborhoods; look up blockbusting, redlining, restrictive covenants. On top of that, many people of color started their free lives in this country in the share cropping system, no property, and instantly in debt. None of the things I listed above are meant to paint anyone as a victim. They are just facts. I 100% agree that people need to hold themselves accountable for their own actions, not expect handouts, don't act the victim etc. But at the same time, we all need to acknowledge the real inequalities that exist or things will never change.
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 13, 2017 19:42:39 GMT -6
Brophy, I'm with you on preaching personal responsibility, but if no one ever speaks up and points out injustice, there is not much chance of it changing. Pointing out injustice or perceived injustice is not the same as being a victim. I generally agree with you. With that being said, where is the line (if there is indeed a line) between identifying those who have suffered actual injustice and those who are simply self-indulgent navel-gazers? And who gets to decide what is a legitimate grievance and what isn't? For example, I think most people would agree that what happened to Laquan McDonald at the hands of Chicago police is a legitimate injustice (if not an outright criminal act). On the other hand, what about something like this? nypost.com/2017/05/24/burrito-shop-closes-after-being-accused-of-cultural-appropriation/Certainly, to me, I find the second example ridiculous. But many people, obviously, do not. I'm not going to suggest that high school kids are going to start boycotting the cafeteria because the lunch ladies aren't heating up the right kind of frozen taco meat. But, if you are a head football coach and one of your duties is to foster an environment of conformity and unity, how do you decide what issues are important and what issues aren't? It can't be a free-for-all, can it? _______________________________________________________________________________________________ 19Delta, Good point. Again, not making an apples to apples comparison here, but for many who took part in the Civil Rights movement, they had to answer a few questions for themselves: -Am I serious enough about this cause to suffer the potential consequences i.e. arrest, physical harm, death, loss of friends etc. These are the kind of questions I'd like to ask a kid who is considering "kneeling". If a kid is willing to suffer the potential negative consequences, then that would indicate that he feels pretty strongly about it and it's not just a lark.
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 13, 2017 18:53:44 GMT -6
Side note: I am not born in America, I am raised in the woods of Sweden essentially. If you believe I can't bring anything to the discussion since I have not lived in the US for longer than I have, I will remove myself from the discussion. so what are you basing any of your "evidence" on if you don't live in an American city? I am at a loss on how we reinforce the intent of competitive athletics, which is self-efficacy of constantly positively improving/contributing, while at the same time placating these wanton attitudes of endless victim-mentality that can only be addressed by further handicapping everyone (i.e. learned helplessness) take a step back from the facebook hysteria and recognize what this attitude feeds... Do these traits sound familiar? This is what we continue to reinforce to this generation and nurturing never-ending discontent, that its everyone else's fault and I'm not responsible for the outcomes in my own lifeBrophy, I'm with you on preaching personal responsibility, but if no one ever speaks up and points out injustice, there is not much chance of it changing. Pointing out injustice or perceived injustice is not the same as being a victim. And in regards to your point about "competitive athletics", I will only speak for myself here. I am first and foremost an educator. I hope I'm viewing my players as more than just athletes. They're human beings on their way to adulthood. In fact some times the "ask no questions, do what your told" aspect of athletics might not serve them so well in other parts of their lives. If there is a kid who truly feels strongly about making some sort of stand like this, this takes us outside the realm of athletics.
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 13, 2017 18:48:59 GMT -6
We never had to deal with this when I played (60's). Why? Because most of our coaches were vets. We just finished fighting in Korea, and 20+ years earlier our fathers fought in WWII. Physical and mental toughness were considerable parts of our upbringing, and respect was never given...it was earned. And we always showed our respect for the country we lived in because our parents, our relatives, and their friends knew what fighting and dying for liberty was all about, and they shared that with us. We didn't know any different. But...Vietnam changed all that. A large number of my generation decided they wouldn't raise their children the same way. Then...Their children raised children, and now those children are raising children (the ones we are coaching and teaching today), and guess what? Three generations of change later...here we are! How kids are being raised today, and even 20 years ago, is polar opposite of what my generation, or previous generations grew up with. And it's damn sad to see. Irishdog, I would just point out that during the good old days your referring to, there were still Jim Crow laws and massive voter disenfranchisement of African Americans across a huge swath of our country. If it wasn't for people, non-violently protesting that kind of treatment, we may have never seen it change. i'm not trying to make an apples to apples comparison here, but the 60s were not a great time in U.S. History in the are of social equality. So, I can see how you might long for the good old days, but I hope you can acknowledge the great strides we've made in many areas.
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 12, 2017 13:31:15 GMT -6
If a young man was to play on Friday nights, he had better not take a knee during the playing of the national anthem. Our players will stand, if for no other reason than to show their respect for those in our community who have served in the armed forces. I cannot believe the passivity and hypocrisy of so many coaches on this board. Furthermore, I cannot believe that any of you support what "Kap" does and says! For those of you worried about a lawsuit, how do you enforce any of the other expectations that you have for your players? That's a cop-out! You just don't want to upset your snowflakes! Be a leader. Teach your athletes to respect the flag. They live in the greatest country in the world! Huddlehut, Just speaking for myself, if I ever allowed a kid to kneel, it wouldn't be for fear of a lawsuit. It would be in the spirit of trying to understand my athlete's life experience, perspective and in trying to support him in doing what he feels is right. You have accused many of us on this board for being passive. One might turn around and accuse you of being ignorant of many kids life experiences and myopic in the view that there is only one way to act during the anthem I wonder how a 15/16 yr old kid would look back on this scenario 10-20 yrs down the road. A) I felt strongly about taking a knee but coach told me I'm a snowflake and I need to stand, and I have never ever questioned anything about our society ever again. B) I felt strongly about taking a knee. Coach talked with me about the pros and cons of taking part in such an act, asked me to think hard if I really felt this strongly, asked me to consider all the possible consequences, and then in the end said he would support my decision as long as I acted in a respectful manner. My guess is kid B is going to have much more of an appreciation for this democracy and our flag and the rights it represents down the road.
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 11, 2017 20:17:05 GMT -6
Is there a scenario where a kid or kids could choose to kneel and not be a distraction? What if they came to the HC a few days before the game and made their case? I guess my point is, is the act itself a distraction, or the perceived turmoil it creates a distraction? What if the HC says, we discussed this as a team, and we support them? The HC needs to tell him that there are other ways to demonstrate his beliefs than to dishonor the flag and anthem that represents the freedoms that so many have died defending and are currently serving and defending for all of us. Here in the past 4 years we have had 9 former players join the military, one of them is my son. This years team has one that has already committed to serve when he graduates. The kneeling crap just doesn't fly around here. Our character development has many parts but the core is Trust, Respect, Integrity, Believe, and Enthusiasm. We also use Joe Ehrmann's InSideOut Initiative. It is very good for changing what is wrong with today's society. I guess much of this comes down to how one interprets the act of kneeling. Do those who kneel wish to dishonor the flag? Do they hate America? Or are they attempting to draw attention to inequality that exists in our society? And are they attempting to do it in a non-violent, legal way? While I can definitely see how those who serve or those who have family who serve could be offended by this, I would also point out that several service members have sided with the "kneelers", essentially arguing that one of the things they fight to protect is our freedom of speech. PSS, I am grateful to your son for his service, and wish him all the best.
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 11, 2017 19:39:02 GMT -6
Is there a scenario where a kid or kids could choose to kneel and not be a distraction? What if they came to the HC a few days before the game and made their case? I guess my point is, is the act itself a distraction, or the perceived turmoil it creates a distraction? What if the HC says, we discussed this as a team, and we support them?
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 11, 2017 18:42:15 GMT -6
Good grief, a 14 year-old kid taking a knee during the national anthem and I'm supposed to be okay with that? I know I'll get flamed for this but IMO that is total bs. That kid has no idea what he's doing other than some SJW garbage that he learned from watching the pros on Sunday. Does your view change if this is a 14 yr old a African American kid from the west side of Chicago or Ferguson, Mo? I haven't dealt with this directly, but I would want to hear the kid out. If he felt that strongly, I would encourage him to do what he felt was right. As long as he wasn't making a scene or being blatantly disrespectful, I think I would support him. Along similar lines, I never make kids stand for the pledge. I share with them why I stand for the pledge, and if they don't. I ask them to really think about why they don't. If they choose not to, I ask them to be respectful during that time. I get a kick out of the whole "social justice warrior" used as a derogatory term. There are people who experience social inequality in this country on a daily basis. Should they not attempt to do something about it in an appropriate way?
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Post by NC1974 on Sept 8, 2017 7:44:47 GMT -6
I echo the MRSA, ringworm, impetigo angle. Wearing a shirt underneath pads and in weightroom, fieldhouse, wrestling room, etc, should be mandatory due to these skin issues. Of course this assumes the kids take their stuff home and wash it. My junior year in HS I had a little cut on my chin under my chin strap. After a few days of it kind of festering, I woke up with sores all over my chest and torso...impetigo, I had to shower in the coaches locker room and miss a day or two of practice, picked up the nick name Impy for a few weeks. Don't think wearing shirt or not mattered in my case, but it seems like an extra layer of protection from pads, weight benches, wrestling mats, is a good idea. After that, I started bringing all clothing home each night and washing it. Ended up liking the ritual of going to locker room before school every morning, re threading my hip pads etc. I'm not sure some of our kids EVER wash their practice gear.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 27, 2017 9:46:57 GMT -6
Coachklee, I can't speak to every headline out there, but the NPR headline that started this thread was this: Study: CTE Found In Nearly All Donated NFL Player Brains www.npr.org/2017/07/25/539198429/study-cte-found-in-nearly-all-donated-nfl-player-brainsGoing back to my original point, the NPR article was not sensationalized nor did it claim that the sky is falling on football. So if we react to an objective article such as this one by blowing it off, we lose credibility IMO.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 26, 2017 22:58:51 GMT -6
I'm still not sure you have read the article. They are reporting on what they have found up to this point. They caution not to jump to conclusions and state that they need much more research. The researchers in this article are extremely objective and measured in what they are saying. My point is that we need to be objective and measured in how we respond to it. I guess I need more help understanding why you think this is a stupid ass study. It seems to me that you are upset that people are using this study to completely vilify football, but that's not what the researchers are doing. Coach, I understand you are trying to be impartial and your efforts here are noble. HOWEVER, IMO, the fact that they are doing THIS particular study shows they are very one sided. After this report came out, I went on the net and did some research and found a study that reported girls soccer having more concussion issues than FB due to heading the ball. I would be more open to these kind of studies if they included other sports stats, along with non athletes. But, since so many of these studies ONLY seem to concentrate on FB I FEEL like this is more about some of these people making a name for themselves. None of them would receive any notoriety or attention if they went after girls soccer. But the NFL is the big corp. and getting their name stamped on reports that make the NFL walk on egg shells seems to be at least partial motivation in some of these studies, again IMO. Furthermore, I did not see the film "Concussion", but did read an expose that one of the main characters depicted in the movie who was involved in much of the study actually had a son who played football...after he was aware of the study. Again, haven't watched the movie but the expose seemed to suggest that this was not information portrayed in the movie. My question: Why not? Maybe makes the information less sensational if the people portrayed as so horrified by the sport actually allow their kids to play? I also find it ironic that Will Smith's son played FB with Joe Montana's kid at a private school in CA. I'm open to information, but not open to the targeting of one sport over another. Compare FB to hockey, wrestling, soccer, non athletes, etc REGULARLY & stop making FB the big bad bogeyman & I will be willing to listen to what they have to say. Again, JMO. Coach, I think you make some good points. I do think that the media seems to focus on football because it probably draws more viewers than if it focused on soccer. I would point out though that the research team that did this study has studied other sports and wants to study the general population. So while the media and Hollywood might be trying to make $$ by demonizing the NFL, or sensationalizing this issue, the researchers are trying to understand CTE. It just so happens, due to the popularity of the NFL, the most accessible brains they have to study are from former football players. But they want to expand that to the general population. That's why they publish studies like this to make an argument for why they need more funding/participants. These very researchers that some people seem to be attacking, might end up being our greatest allies 10 yrs from now. They may someday find that the incidence of CTE among football players is not all that different than that of the general pop. And of course they might find that there is a big difference. But I think we need to objectively accept the new findings and not blow them off as stupid.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 26, 2017 21:27:00 GMT -6
I'm still not sure you have read the article. They are reporting on what they have found up to this point. They caution not to jump to conclusions and state that they need much more research. The researchers in this article are extremely objective and measured in what they are saying.
My point is that we need to be objective and measured in how we respond to it.
I guess I need more help understanding why you think this is a stupid ass study.
It seems to me that you are upset that people are using this study to completely vilify football, but that's not what the researchers are doing.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 26, 2017 19:35:42 GMT -6
I was mainly referring to his characterization of the study as "stupid ass". My point was that if we as a profession respond to new research like that, we will lose support from people IMO.
So in my example above, if I asked the head of league how they are responding to the current research and he replied "it's stupid", I would walk away from that league.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 26, 2017 16:42:57 GMT -6
This stupid ass study and the people that take it as gospel should be thrown off a tall building. My wife has an aunt that is worth a couple hundred million. A few years ago she funded an education trust for my two sons and one daughter that will pay for them to attend private university, all expenses paid. Last night she emailed this article (or one similar) to my wife and said she "couldn't, in good conscience, allow them to receive those funds if they play football because it would be a waste since they will suffer irreparable brain damage." My daughter said she's glad she doesn't play football, my younger son is relieved because deep down he'd rather be playing baseball and my oldest son (who is a senior this year) was unfazed, saying, "I guess I'll just have to get a football scholarship." I really hate stupid people. fkaboneyard, Did you read the article? Even the head researcher admits there needs to be much more research. So I don't know who would take it as gospel? But IMO your reaction coming from a football coach, can also be a danger to our sport. It shows an unwillingness to be open to new information and act on it. If I had a kid playing football and I asked the head of the organization what steps if any they were taking to continue to minimize the risks, I would expect an objective reasonable answer. If the head of the organization blew this stuff off entirely, I would not enroll my son.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 26, 2017 9:40:07 GMT -6
As far as the legal aspects of her reporting an injury, I go back to what a lawyer friend once told me....."anyone can be sued." Yeah, you might beat the allegations, but only after you or your employer has shelled out $$$ for representation.
Beyond legality, if you care for these players as she claims to, and you're hearing that a kid is hiding a head injury, I think most of us would say something. I'm not judging because who knows what went on beyond the cameras. She may very well have said something.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 25, 2017 21:02:40 GMT -6
Groundchuck,
I feel you on the hype, but I disagree with your comparison. If the theory that CTE is a result of multiple subconcussive hits turns out to be correct, you cannot compare it to bike riding or snowmobiling (but I would agree that they should wear helmets).
At 43, I have spent countless more hours on a bike than I have playing/practicing football. Thankfully, I cannot think of a single time where I have hit my head falling off a bike. But if I think about an average high school football practice for me when I was a senior in high school, I could have easily had 30-50 subconcussive hits in a single practice.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 25, 2017 20:42:15 GMT -6
All good points, but as coaches I think we want to objectively look at the research, objectively communicate the view that more research needs to be done, and at the same time keep doing what we can to minimize possible damage. Two most obvious ways right now seem to be 1) teaching techniques that attempt to minimize head contact 2) reducing the amount of live contact in practice I think the vast majority of us are working on #1, I think #2 is more complex. What is the "sweet spot" of full contact during practice?
As representatives of the game, the worst thing we can do is try to "blow off" these studies.
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