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Post by larrymoe on Mar 7, 2024 8:41:23 GMT -6
Yes, tell kids to join wrestling..... This times 1000.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 6, 2024 16:42:35 GMT -6
Apparently Dartmouth's basketball team is trying to form a union.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 6, 2024 12:48:41 GMT -6
Football is dying from the ground up. Boxing died out and baseball has been dying because societal values change among generations. Increasingly, more and more kids could give two craps about football. It may not die in my lifetime, but eventually football will not be the #1 sport in America. The country is changing, and our tastes in sports will change with it. The television numbers don't support that but... I guess only time will tell. Meaning what? Overall viewers, or by age group?
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 6, 2024 10:47:15 GMT -6
Football is dying from the ground up. Boxing died out and baseball has been dying because societal values change among generations. Increasingly, more and more kids could give two craps about football. It may not die in my lifetime, but eventually football will not be the #1 sport in America.
The country is changing, and our tastes in sports will change with it.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 6, 2024 7:24:25 GMT -6
there's no way college football ever dies, all that will happen is instead of 3 divisions there will eventually be 4 or 5, just like how english soccer eventually had the premier league break off for the best teams, there will be division 3, 2 and 1 and premier more people will still watch premier league college football, some will watch D1 and D1AA (just like how people watching FCS today but not as much) and then fewer will watch D2 and D3 which are basically regionalized / local people initially won't like it because its different but eventually those people will tune in / buy tickets because people always do... Just like boxing is still the most popular sport in the country right?
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 1, 2024 9:14:56 GMT -6
I was purely a Mod Sled guy. Coached a few places that had Lev sleds, but didn't like them as much. Felt like they led to guys being too high and not blocking as long. Mods are also cheaper.
Either way, congratulations.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 21, 2024 12:27:30 GMT -6
To be honest we probably taught too many when I coached at the high school, most kids weren't capable enough. We'd work on a "series" for a few days and then move on to something else...the best schools in our area are masters of a few things and that was definitely not our approach. I think we had a technique coach who knew too much for his own good. With the young guys we might introduce 1-2 new wrinkles a week, but we haven't taught a new takedown since week 1. We would teach "the system" for the first monthish and then once we got into the season I'd show stuff based off situations we found ourselves in in matches. Wrestling is a sport that it's really good to have a bunch of coaches in room as everyone has different things their body and style will allow them to do. I understood leg rides, but I never did them because they weren't in my repertoire. I struggled reaching the tall lanky kids who could do it.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 21, 2024 5:13:31 GMT -6
Man, wrestling's changed if any tilts are considered "simple". I should've just said one tilt...we teach an easton roll and that's it. Double leg Stand Up Sit Out Tight waist - far ankle Tight waist - chop Half Nelson (and a few ways to get to it) Easton I think that might be all we've taught this year. I quit wrestling in 1996 and was never shown a single tilt from Jr High to college. Coached from 98 to 06. Never taught a tilt, nor coached in a program that taught them to the general masses. Wrestling just a different sport to a degree now.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 21, 2024 5:06:53 GMT -6
They're set. You can get a pretty much complete one one thousand count in before the ball's snapped.
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Wrasslin
Feb 16, 2024 15:11:25 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 16, 2024 15:11:25 GMT -6
We got boys district this weekend. Boys and girls state next week. I think this is my last year of coaching wrestling. I'm tired of giving up my weekends. I coach middle school then go right into high school. I got out of high school and started helping with our middle school program a couple years back. The season is way shorter, we only do one Saturday, and it's very low stress. It's awesome. We keep it super simple (as others have mentioned) - one takedown series, 1-2 ways to get out from bottom, 1-2 tilts, and then drill the crap out of it. No running, make it fun, get everyone matches. Man, wrestling's changed if any tilts are considered "simple".
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Feb 15, 2024 20:32:16 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 15, 2024 20:32:16 GMT -6
Wrestling was my first sport I had any success in. I wasn't going to play football in HS because my JFL experience was so God awful. I was just going to wrestle.
Wrestling is by far a much harder sport than pretty much everything. Wrestled for 10 years (including 2 in college) and coached for another 7.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 12, 2024 18:01:55 GMT -6
Absolute nothing burger. It was only noticed because Kelce somehow lost track of his space. This is the NFL. It is a professional organization. The dynamics are nothing compared to schoolboy football. Don’t agree it was a nothing burger. It was at least a small order of fries. Agreed. That's the kind of stuff that gets you out of the league the second your talent's dried up.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 12, 2024 6:39:18 GMT -6
Out of curiosity I was looking at realtor.com yesterday and a 1/8th timeshare of an 1100sq ft condo is ONLY $180k in Jackson.
There is no way this real estate bubble doesn't burst soon.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 11, 2024 13:49:45 GMT -6
I hear that the "new" term being thrown around now is "the...Room." Well...when I was a young guy coaching high school ball I didn't have ANY rooms, but did have THREE positions I had to coach, O Line, LB's, and Special Teams! Then, as a HC I was in charge of ALL the "rooms". When I moved up to D2/D3 ball as an assistant I was a "position" coach and used a bunch of different "rooms." My advice...Coach the position(s) you've been assigned and coach your ass off! I feel like this "room" stuff is a byproduct of people watching too much of that HBO drivel.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 9, 2024 16:37:07 GMT -6
Do not refer to your position group (or if coordinator side of the ball) as "MY guys.' They are "ours." Football is a TEAM sport. I will 100% refer to any lineman as my "guy" for all eternity. Those guys are ignored by everyone and blamed for everything. Those are my people and they are a hill I will die on.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 8, 2024 19:59:17 GMT -6
I don't think it gets that cold in Jackson Hole.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 7, 2024 17:03:02 GMT -6
Maybe the boosters have a place.... Where does the science teacher live??? I couldn't figure out where really any teacher could live. And that was 20 years ago. That place has gone insane since then. I was there in 2000 and again in 2020. It's not even the same place it was in 2000. The demographic has changed entirely. I did not enjoy the people that had moved in.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 7, 2024 8:23:30 GMT -6
Early in my career (around 2002) I looked at a SS job at Jackson Hole and came to the same conclusion you did. Love to live in that area, but couldn't afford to do it.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 30, 2024 12:30:07 GMT -6
What is your guys' tell that a team is winning mainly because well coached vs having superior athletes than their opponents? Their HC is named Deion Sanders... I kid, I kid.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 22:04:20 GMT -6
Never coached a single FBS or FCS football players. Had a couple D1 wrestlers play football, but no football players. Only had 3 players get any money to play at any level past HS. One got about $5k to go to a $30k school. He didn't make it the whole 1st season. Kid was literally our worst OL. School took total advantage of him. It is now closed. One played 3 years and started a couple of them and then just quit before his Sr year. Other was one of only 2 four year college players I ever had.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 15:32:16 GMT -6
My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. This would be the definition of a pause clean. Why would anyone reading this sentence think otherwise? Except they aren't doing pause cleans. They were maxing out on power cleans and his teacher tried to tell him he was doing them wrong. Stop digging. This isn't an argument you can win. You don't know the teacher, you don't know the circumstances, you don't know anything about it. But that sure hasn't stopped you from giving your two cents worth. You obviously know more about the situation than I do. Hell, you obviously know more about lifting than all of us. See the little delta thread. You know a lot about powerlifting too. See your way out.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 9:48:45 GMT -6
I've only ever met 1 basketball coach in my life that knew anything about lifting, or had any desire for his kids to do it. Unfortunately, he was super CrossFit focused and everything was about getting a cardio type workout in. Which is better than the nothing that any other coach I was around knew, but it wasn't real conducive to producing power and size gains. Particularly for your line type kids. He's a very good basketball coach and is now flourishing at a school that doesn't have football. It was frustrating for me because one of the main reasons I took that job was they had weightlifting PE, but I still had to have after school PE because they weren't getting any stronger. My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. You can look at the guy and tell he's never touched a weight in his life. But, he has that mythical PE major and teaching certification so that obviously makes him an expert. Pause cleans are quite common in training Olympic lifts, as they build strength in the “position” (meaning holding your body in the correct position to deliver the bar to the hips). To be honest, it is probably a fairly decent idea for younger lifters who tend to try and use the momentum from picking the bar off the ground as opposed to the glute contraction/ hip snap to move the bar. It could also be a misunderstanding of a hang clean. Except that's not what he's doing, but thanks for coming back to mansplain lifting to me.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 8:39:52 GMT -6
I've only ever met 1 basketball coach in my life that knew anything about lifting, or had any desire for his kids to do it. Unfortunately, he was super CrossFit focused and everything was about getting a cardio type workout in. Which is better than the nothing that any other coach I was around knew, but it wasn't real conducive to producing power and size gains. Particularly for your line type kids.
He's a very good basketball coach and is now flourishing at a school that doesn't have football. It was frustrating for me because one of the main reasons I took that job was they had weightlifting PE, but I still had to have after school PE because they weren't getting any stronger.
My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. You can look at the guy and tell he's never touched a weight in his life. But, he has that mythical PE major and teaching certification so that obviously makes him an expert.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 26, 2024 16:13:34 GMT -6
How do we convince the athletes, the parents, and yes...even the other sports coaches that strength training is good for ALL sports? This could be an entirely separate thread, or the title of a best selling coaching book. Either way I'd be all ears on how you do this. It's one hill I die on every year... In my experience, you got to start with their coaches. It's amazing to me how many basketball coaches still active like lifting weights will "mess up their shot".
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 25, 2024 18:45:32 GMT -6
To add to the comment about diversity of talent from place to place- I coached for 20 years in schools from 1A to 4A in Illinois. I never coached a D1 football player. I never coached a FCS player. As a HC I only had 1 kid play more than 1 year of D3 and two play some on D2. I think I only coached against 7 D1 kids.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 25, 2024 8:18:59 GMT -6
Stay in it long enough and you will too. Things are great when you're winning, but they'll turn on you as fast as they can when things go south. Look at Belichick and Saban. I began my career as a high school teacher and head football coach in 1964...it has been a long, and enjoyable career. It has been both my career and my hobby. I love it!! And you've never been run out of a place for no reason? I find this extremely hard to believe. What are you now? 80?
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 24, 2024 21:57:22 GMT -6
Coaching is not like other businesses.
In a business- if you make money for your company and shareholders, you are a success.
What is success in high school coaching?
Winning a championship every year? We are all failures then. (I'll amend that if there are any IMG coaches on here).
Doing the best you have with what you have? Maybe we are all successful then… but parents, fans, boosters… sometimes administrators won’t necessarily see it that way.
Here is what I have learned in 34 years of coaching high school football- You are a success if: - You win every game (but not by too much to be unsportsmanlike) - You play every kid in your program - You run an offense that fans see on Sunday… or at least Saturday. - You run a lot of trick plays/formations (it's fun for the kids...“The Annexation of Puerto Rico!!”) - You run an offense/defense that will get a hard nosed, tough 5’6 235# lineman recruited as a scholarship player to a Big 10 (or SEC, or Big 12… depending on where you live) school - You never yell at players but still make them tough physically and mentally like we all were in the “old days” - Etc…
In 2020, we lost the state title game by a FG, which they made with 10 seconds left in the game. We played a team with 4x our roster size, who by 2022 was (rightfully) playing two classes above us (and has been competitive).
Even though we made more uncharacteristic mistakes in the last 2 minutes on defense, according to some (those yahoos who like to talk and don't know whether a football is filled with air or stuffed) we lost because “we didn’t have a good enough passing game”.
2020 was then a "failure" in the eyes of some... and I disagree with that.
WOW!! I feel bad for you...you have been doing this for 34 years so you obviously have had a great deal of success or you would not have stayed in coaching for so many years...and now you feel this way about your community/fans. Stay in it long enough and you will too. Things are great when you're winning, but they'll turn on you as fast as they can when things go south. Look at Belichick and Saban.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 24, 2024 9:24:03 GMT -6
I appreciate the answer...but that's not really where I intended to go with this question.
Much like the Mark Twain quote “I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead”... I am once again guilty of being wordy... so here is another try:
How many of you are/had been running dinosaur offenses and felt compelled to change or consider change based on not getting the type of players out that you once were able to get out?
College coaches (Coach Niumatalolo in this case), are not the only ones who face a recruiting/retention issue. Maybe it's losing kids to other schools, maybe not getting the athletes you need out because they are playing AAU basketball because it is more fun than blocking on Wedge or Power... whatever the reason. Have you been coerced to "rebrand"?
If you changed- or if you did not- why?
I felt the squeeze of it back in 2015. Not from the players, but their parents, the fans and to some degree, the admins. In 11-13 we went 27-6 running the I. Ran for over 8,000yds and 900+ points in 12 & 13 going 21-2 in the process. Had a down year in 14 playing a lot of sophs and went 3-6 (lost 3 games by a combined 4 points and all 6 losses were to playoff teams). Parents frequently went to my new principal and AD and complained about our "dinosaur offense". Week 1 of 2015 we had to go to our "orange" formation package since our FB was suspended. Orange was singleback 2x2 shotgun. Numbers were low and I just didn't have a backup FB ready to play (he was a freshman). There was an audible cheer on our first possession. Our TB ran for 410yds and 6 TDs running trap, dive and wrap. The paper wrote a big article about our "new offense" and how even my old grumpy ass went to the spread. Parents and fans were elated. Next week we went back to the I and there were literally boos. We went 5-5 and had a decent year with a still very young team. We flirted with spread looks throughout 15 and 16 and it was a terrible decision on my part. Any kid that I got out because of the "new offense" was always a dickhead that I didn't really want around anyway. Listening to the pressure no doubt contributed to my demise at that place. I left after 16 and there were a slew of articles about how my successor was going to "open it up" and "let the kids have more fun" and "get the athletes in space". They went 3-6. In 18 they went back to the I and went to the playoffs. They have been bad since.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 24, 2024 9:15:03 GMT -6
I dunno, man. I see teams like Camp Central and Byron HS in IL winning state titles and Scott County in KY all doing it by running UC wing-t scheme. Just well-coached disciplined teams, that as an outsider looking-in seem to have a great connection between, players, coaches, admin, and community. I don't really believe one offense or defense is better than another. They just might have a specific niche/environment that it is best suited, but other than that it's just preference, it's like arguing over which deli makes the best sub sandwich to me. Just my two cents. 5 of the 6 teams in the 1A-3A state championships in Illinois were UC wing-t/flexbone set teams. The 6th- Mt Carmel used to be.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 22, 2024 4:42:52 GMT -6
lotta mileage out of this innocuous news update HUEY BOARD COACHING STAFF meetings would be stuff of legends COACH HUEY: "Aight guys, lets go over opponents two minute game...." Coach X: "I remember one time, back in '88....or maybe it was '78, anyhoos.....it was snowing in the semi-finals and we were trailing 4 with 6 minutes to go. I said to my Oline coach Johnny Pepper......or was it Jimmy Chili, cant remember....but I wanted to get one of those hot dogs from the concession stands and bet him we could probably get one in under 2 minutes and then..." Coach Y: "look, its clear their go-to is #87. They like him on a out & up or a sideline bench from a semi-roll...." Coach B: "thats what they want you to think. It would be stupid to forget about the run game here. They should have a midline triple option package just for these situations. I've seen it before. Anyone who doesn't believe me, sucks [censored] by choice" Coach 99: "you would say that...you're always sucking [censored]" Coach PDQ: [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] (throws chair) I've been in that staff meeting before. You forgot Coach Z- "We suck. We're soft as Charmin, we can't stop anyone. We're going to be down 40 in the 1st quarter anyway. Why are we wasting time talking about this?"
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