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Post by larrymoe on Apr 15, 2024 17:31:27 GMT -6
not sure how much you teachers know about REALITY, but it goes like this.... RESUME - gets applicant to HR HR - gets the candidate to Job (Management) MANAGEMENT - sets the interview based on your experience / capability for the job INTERVIEW - shows how you 'fit' with the team you'll be joining HR - does the background check Your resume just needs to be bait, filled with industry buzz words that generates hits. Thats it. Unless you're going to work for a mom & pop shop, this stuff is so silo'd, you're lucky if one hand knows what the other is doing and "HR" can be outsourced to one or two different companies, not affiliated with where you'll be hired. Coaching duties & skills won't matter, regardless of what you did, unless its the ONLY experience you have for what you're applying for. You know what, education isn't all that different. The Ed Service department at the district office doesn't talk to HR or Student Service, and the D.O. DEFINITELY doesn't always talk to the school site. And the school site admin will talk to department heads but then doesn't get consent from the DO and then it's all a big cluster ph*ck. Everyday I'm reminded of what a different world education is from place to place.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 14, 2024 7:21:35 GMT -6
I went to work for the department of corrections. Was an officer for close to 4 years, promoted to counselor last June and last November I promoted again. Now, I'm "teaching" again as I work at our training academy for new hires.
Made 45k my last year teaching with 19 years experience. I've never made less than 63k in corrections with OT. In my new job, I'll top out at 98k before I retire in 5 years at the age of 53.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2024 6:09:49 GMT -6
What are the restrictions? Ok, bear with me...we have no roster or staff size limits until the state championship game. In the state championship game, you are limited to 9 staff members on the sideline. Staff = coaches, trainers/medical staff, waterboy, ball boy, Equipment manager, etc. Basically anybody who isn't a player. You are only allowed to dress 56 Players in our state championship game. This is regardless of classification/school size. Can you imagine telling a kid (and his parents) who invested 4+ years into your program that they can't be on the sidelines for the state championship game?!? You have 56+ kids who are Jrs/Srs and some sophisticated that contribute? Man, people live different lives. I spent the majority of my career at places that didn't have 56 kids in the program, let alone 56 Jrs/Srs/contributors. Hell, the place I spent 7 years as HC, we had 50 varsity jerseys and never handed out all 50 9-12. I never coached at a place that 9+ staff members. What state is this?
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 10, 2024 11:51:45 GMT -6
Does your state have rules for the number of players you can dress or the number of staff you are allowed on your sideline? I'm looking to get our insanely restrictive limits changed in our area, and I'm trying to build our case by showing how out of sync we are with every other region. Define insanely restrictive.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 7, 2024 14:39:33 GMT -6
i grew up there, so it's home to me. no humidity, great sunrises and sunsets, the amazing amount of wildlife (which surprises most people not familiar with the area), great people, very friendly. and as they say where i grew up, great fishing within 300 miles in any direction, if you like that sort of thing. we tried to hire an o-line coach once, when i was at big lake (small west texas oilfield town). he interviewed, head coach called him the next day to see what he thought. he said his wife started crying on the way out of town and made him promise that he wouldn't make her live there. I GA’d at Sul Ross for one season before I got a full-time job. I wasn’t there long, but I don’t know that I’ll ever forget how beautiful the land was out there. My wife has a “30 minutes from a Target” rule for anywhere we live, so I think her reaction would be similar to that OL coach’s wife. Target {censored} sucks. And that is not a political comment. I've hated that {censored} store since I stepped in one.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 1, 2024 13:33:58 GMT -6
What are some things you guys do to keep things super simple for the players? Like in our program, we have like three run plays, four stunts, one coverage, etc… looking for other ways to stay simple Our play calls were Blue Right, Iso Right. Blue was formation and the play was the play. No numbers, no nothing unnecessary. I designed our entire offense to be easily understood by the dumbest of our linemen. Which is still smarter than your brightest WR most of the time.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 1, 2024 13:30:25 GMT -6
Some things I have found over the years to keep it simple without being too simple. Call plays by words like Power, Trap etc. I have not numbered plays in forever. Limit the overall number of concepts in the run and pass game. You probably only need one pass pro (maybe two) in high school. We won a state title (with talent yes) with two run schemes. You either blocked the man on you, or blocked down. On defense simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. You need to line up right and decide who will be your adjusters. I do not like to adjust with the DL or LBs so we go safety over a lot. At the level I coach at we really only need one way to line up vs 3x1 but we carry two that compliment each other. THere are certain things in all three phases of the game that I can coach in detail but don't need to. How do you adjust to a 2-TE, Tackle Over formation? ..E..G..C..G..T..T..E W........Q... ...........F......H Right guard is the center. Strong call to the wing. Probably walk OLB up to a 6 front. Maybe not. MlB over C and T. Read them as guards. Corners 5x5 off end man LOS.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 20, 2024 16:05:10 GMT -6
Let him watch hudl on his own for a bit. See what he can figure out. I like this answer a lot. If a guy shows promise, let him see what he can do on his own. You might just learn something from him.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 17, 2024 8:39:40 GMT -6
It sounds like coaches are doing a lot more in Off-Season and less In-Season. Our offense was pretty much installed before the first "two a days" practice. Not that we did a lot of stuff over the summer. We only installed stuff at our two 3-4 day camps (2 hrs a night for maybe a total of 12 hours- 6 for offense, 6 for D) and on Monday nights for an hour in the offseason. We didn't have that big of a playbook.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 16, 2024 6:28:10 GMT -6
We did 2-a-days-8 AM and 5 PM- and we had reasons: 1. We didn't platoon. Everybody initially had two positions. 2. Distance wasn't an issue. We never platooned either.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 15, 2024 21:20:16 GMT -6
We quit doing 2 a days in 2011 or 2012. We would go about an hour and 45, give the kids 30 min break and do 45 mins of specials or lifting and be done. It all sort of depended on what gear we were allowed to wear that day. I really, really liked being done by 10 or 11 am. The kids did too.
There is no way I'd ever go back to the 7-9am and 5-7pm two a days if I were to ever coach again. I'd certainly not do what we did my Sr year of HS and go 730-930, 11-Noon and 4-6. That was horrible.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 12:19:48 GMT -6
Hell, I was going RIF'd one year for some pine trees though... What does that mean? I was going to get Reduction In Forced (lose my teaching job), hypothetically because they had money problems (I made 40k) while the district paid 35kish for some pine trees. Probably a lot more complex than that, but it sure didn't feel that way. Luckily I got a much better job before they could do it. Place was my alma mater too. So, it was a little extra ball kick. They have also cut all those trees down since then.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 11:39:29 GMT -6
In 20 years of education in Illinois, I think I only worked 1 year in a district that has an assistant superintendent. And that was because the Super was retiring and they really wanted to keep the guy to become the super the next year.
Hell, I was going RIF'd one year for some pine trees though...
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 8:29:10 GMT -6
school is 180 days for kids teachers work 190 days, our pay rate is basically figured on a daily rate - guidance counselors might be on a 200 day contract, so figure what their annual salary would be divide by 190, then add the daily rate time 10 more days so basically I have not a 190 day contract, but a 205 day contract..... plus supplement which is just for the 'season' That's nice. In Illinois, as far as my experience was concerned, you just got a % of the starting base pay for a teacher. Usually it was 15% for head football coach. Assistant was usually 10%. So, if your district started at $40k, and your % is 15, you're getting paid $6k to be HC and $4500 to be an assistant. I think the most I ever got paid to be a HC was around $7k because the district paid extra % based on longevity and I'd been coaching 19 years at that point. They really wanted me, so they gave me the % for a 20 year coach. Also, no place I ever worked had a base pay of $40k when I worked there.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 7:26:39 GMT -6
No doubt that upstate SC pays really well. As Asst. in the upstate probably makes as much or more than I do as a HC in NC. And I dont have one of the worst paying HC jobs in NC. The thing that makes the difference is that we get days. I get 15 now. What do you mean days?
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 12:53:59 GMT -6
I don't think anyone is arguing about in season time but are you putting in 4 hours this Friday 3/15? Are you putting in 4 hours this Sunday? The 4 hours is the average per day for 365 days a year. Exactly. No one is spending 4.1 hours a day all 365 days of the year coaching football. Football coaches are fantastic at telling everyone how much they work and how underpaid they are and carrying that cross everywhere for everyone to see, but most suck at math and realistically keeping track of that work. They're also real good about counting those 2 hours telling stories on Saturday as "work".
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 8:58:39 GMT -6
Why not? Illinois passes education bills like this all the time. union state vs imitation union state. teachers in union state will just strike to prove the point, they wont in florida, school districts already struggling to get to 48.5 k a year for teacher min pay, telling school systems to find another 6 to 11 million to pay coaches and not raise teacher pay (veterans got screwed in the 48.5 min pay deal, we got zero raise, but the 1st year guy is within 2k of a 10yr guy). will never pass No one in Illinois strikes over the non funded mandates.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 8:35:18 GMT -6
theres a follow up article by the same guy talking about the representiative said something along the lines of-schools would have to figure it out. that will never, ever fly. Why not? Illinois passes education bills like this all the time.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 3:43:57 GMT -6
Well if you have 2 hour practice, hour scripting, setting up and grading practice, thirty minutes laundry/supervision. That’s a modest three and half hours Monday to Thursday. Game day for us even if we let kids leave (we have them stay) would be 5-11. That’s six hours and that brings up Monday to Thursday average. Four hours on Saturday and Sunday each is pretty tame estimate. 4 hours a day in season seems like a tame estimate. That's 280 hours over the course of a 10 week season.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 3:37:21 GMT -6
So you spent 3-4 hours a day, all 7 days of the week, 52 weeks a year doing football coaching related activities? Well...M thru Th during the season I spent 3 hours per day doing football-related activities. On Fridays it was 3 hours. On Saturdays it was at least 2 hours. On Sunday it was at least 2 hours. During the off-season it was 3 hours per day M-F excluding Christmas break but working on football related paperwork (including spring ball). If you count attending clinics, speaking at clinics, on weekends in the off-season add that time to the total. During the summer it was 2 hours per day M-T-W-Th with the weight room, staff meetings, and working football camps. The last week of July was a dead week so I got to see the world. I'm not including the years I spent as a college coach. Just HS. So...yeah, maybe it wasn't completely an hour-to-hour, day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month time frame but damn close! Also, not including the time spent on my other duties as an AP, a Dean, or an AD. If that qualifies as stupidly inefficient then I guess there's a lot of us who are guilty. At most, that's 800 hours a year on football only activities. 19 hours a week in season for say 10 weeks is 190 hours. 15 hours a week off season for say 40 weeks (you said you took Christmas break off) is 600 hours. Idk how many clinics you went to, but if you were on the average staff I was on over my career, I'd be shocked if 10 hours of actual football related work was done at them. 800 is just over half of the 1500 hours this bill is proposing. It's a stupid bill with an hour total no one is approaching coaching football. And if they "are" they aren't doing it coaching football.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 12, 2024 3:32:53 GMT -6
Your full time job as a teacher is about 150 hours short of 1500 a year. None of you are approaching 1500 coaching. Stop acting like you do.
If you take out weekends, (which I realize most coaches work weekends during the season, but you also don't usually work most holidays, so it equals out) you'd have to work 5 hours and 45 minutes EVERY SINGLE DAY of the rest of the 261 days of the year to equal 1500 hours. No one is doing that. And yes, if you are, you are doing it wrong.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2024 15:53:12 GMT -6
For a comparison- if you work 7.5 hours a day, for a full 185 day school year, you only work 1387.5 hours. AS A FULL TIME TEACHER.
No football coach in HS, in America is working 1500 hours a year on football. If they, they're stupidly inefficient.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2024 15:46:35 GMT -6
Over the course of a year I KNOW I spent at LEAST 24 hours per week on "coaching" at private schools around the country. The last being in Texas! I KNOW those public school guys are putting in WAY more time than I did, and are making a LOT more coin than I did. Why? 1. When I was coaching I absolutely loved what I did. I enjoyed every minute of it. Never ever looked at it like a job because I was having way too much fun doing it! 2. Being fairly compensated for it mattered, yes, but it hardly ever was on the forefront of my mind because I knew going in I wouldn't make nearly as much as my public school counterparts. Especially here in Texas! Public school football stipends here average $8,000.00 for varsity coordinators, and around $6,500.00 for assistants. Varies district to district. The top 5 HC's in Texas make well over $150,000.00 but they are also the school's athletic director. As a private school HC I made $5,000.00, but my actual salary was paid for being the school's AP, or Dean, or AD. So you spent 3-4 hours a day, all 7 days of the week, 52 weeks a year doing football coaching related activities?
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2024 13:53:46 GMT -6
I mean, that's an average of 29 hours "coaching" a week over the course of a year. No one actually does that. That's 4 hours a day 365 days a year. Besides game days, and 7on7 tournaments, idk that I'd spend 4 hours a day during the season.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 11, 2024 8:26:02 GMT -6
We were forced to wear forearm pads my freshman year of HS in 1990. Stupidest piece of equipment ever. Never wore one after, never saw another player wear one unless they had an injury. Never played with or coached a player who wore a cowboy collar. Never saw one in the equipment room. Wore a cup for a couple games as a freshman, but never did after that season. Didn't wear a jock either.
I did wear Reggie White shoulder pads in college too. Definitely would have worn those itsy bitsy knee, thigh and hip pads too. As a 1 or 3 tech, any padding was pretty much unnecessary. I wasn't getting too many high speed collisions. It was more wrestling in that world.
I did shower after every practice, but that was more my wrestler skin disease paranoia than anything else.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 9, 2024 11:04:25 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 7, 2024 17:02:43 GMT -6
fox just announced they will show a prime time national college game every friday night for the season, from big 12, big 10 or MWC games people wanna watch college football No one can argue the numbers right now, but the future is the issue.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 7, 2024 13:23:49 GMT -6
Be careful if you are going to fight over a broom stick that it doesn't break and stab a kid. Or bear crawl down the bleachers and have a kids hand slip.......................... Also, make sure no syrup is present.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 7, 2024 8:41:23 GMT -6
Yes, tell kids to join wrestling..... This times 1000.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 6, 2024 16:42:35 GMT -6
Apparently Dartmouth's basketball team is trying to form a union.
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