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Post by larrymoe on May 13, 2024 15:33:25 GMT -6
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates Adults are different, too. Everyone is changing except for Larry. Of course we're ALL changing, but teenagers are doing the same chit they always did. I've been on this board for some stupid amount of time, and it's been: Kids are different Numbers are low What is MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok and why is it ruining football for like 15 years! I don't change because I'm not in. I didn't want to deal with the kids anymore. I work with convicted felons now, and they're far more decent to deal with than HS kids.
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Post by larrymoe on May 13, 2024 14:45:31 GMT -6
I don't know if these articles really support your case. The first one was written over a decade ago, and basically argues that globally people are living longer, so adolescents lasts longer. But once again, it isn't about kids today it is about a previous generation. The second article is mostly opinion and anecdotal evidence. It does reference changes that came about in raising kids the 60s, but that was over half a century ago. The third article mentions the growing number of teen suicide rates and depression statistics since the 80s & 90s, which is irrefutable, but I don't think really resonates with most of us here. If you want to claim that society has changed a lot over the past 60 years, and that kids behave differently due to such then I'd listen to that. But I doubt many of us here were coaching, let alone even playing, ball that long ago. I can tell you that kids now, compared to when I was in high school (mid 90s) arent that much different. I have seen though, that many coaches think there are a lot more turds now then when they were kids. But I feel as if that because most coaches were good kids and didn't notice the turds because they didn't deal with them. I looked at the UVA one bc it was the only source I've heard of re the 3. "increase in efforts to monitor, structure and protect the lives of children"- that's parenting "increased surveillance"- parenting "From the time their parents start taking digital photos of them.” "increase in the expectations placed on parents to monitor their children and to structure their activities." "Children’s ability to walk to school or anywhere on their own has dramatically declined since the 1990s, Dinsmore said. Childhood has transitioned from being an activity that involved playing outside with neighborhood kids to being, especially for middle-class families, about piano lessons, karate classes and soccer leagues, which means they have far less unstructured time than they once did." - parenting. and then a whole bunch of chit on surveillance via data farming which has nothing to do with a child being 'different' but Google selling data and parents giving their 5 year old their own iPad. Which, in turn, makes kids different. Which is the point. You want to argue the reasons for that, well thats a long discussion. But the fact is, no matter what the reason, the kids are different.
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Post by larrymoe on May 13, 2024 14:43:40 GMT -6
Again, there's literally piles of scientific research documenting the differences in youth brains and behaviors because of a plethora of reasons, but let's just keep posting the same responses that that idea gets every time it's mentioned.
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Post by larrymoe on May 10, 2024 18:30:08 GMT -6
I don't know if these articles really support your case. The first one was written over a decade ago, and basically argues that globally people are living longer, so adolescents lasts longer. But once again, it isn't about kids today it is about a previous generation. The second article is mostly opinion and anecdotal evidence. It does reference changes that came about in raising kids the 60s, but that was over half a century ago. The third article mentions the growing number of teen suicide rates and depression statistics since the 80s & 90s, which is irrefutable, but I don't think really resonates with most of us here. If you want to claim that society has changed a lot over the past 60 years, and that kids behave differently due to such then I'd listen to that. But I doubt many of us here were coaching, let alone even playing, ball that long ago. I can tell you that kids now, compared to when I was in high school (mid 90s) arent that much different. I have seen though, that many coaches think there are a lot more turds now then when they were kids. But I feel as if that because most coaches were good kids and didn't notice the turds because they didn't deal with them. Kids were different from when I started coaching in 1998 to when I stopped in 2018.
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Post by larrymoe on May 10, 2024 7:31:16 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on May 10, 2024 7:13:38 GMT -6
The opposite probably. If you owe 125k in spousal support, probably should keep your job! He's probably going to weasel his way into some gig where he is officially a "volunteer" and doesn't get a "salary" so he can claim poverty and not pay her. It's what {censored} do.
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2024 18:38:52 GMT -6
Like, do you not have enough self awareness to realize you're an {censored}? I mean, after how many times of this happening do you realize this?
As Raylan Givens said- "If you run into an {censored} in the morning, you ran into an {censored}. If you run into {censored} all day, you're the {censored}."
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2024 18:32:06 GMT -6
I don't care what anyone says, and I don't want to derail this thread, but kids, overall, are drastically different than any other point in football history. Wins, losses, team success, none of that matters to a growing number of them. Stats and them "getting theirs" does. And if they can't get what they want, they'll "move". Every one of the white boys in Remember the Titans were worried about "THEIRS" when Coach Boone took over. "Theirs" was a little motivated by other factors than statistics. IT'S ALSO A {censored} HOLLYWOOD MOVIE.
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2024 18:31:00 GMT -6
We were good in HS, so I did not encounter people like this. But with "these kids today" I had a guy willing to switch from LB to OT to provide depth in "this era" a couple of years ago. Parents have changed, school admin have changed. There are still good kids. They're usually the product of two parent families who have jobs and take interest in their kids. There aren't many of those left these days. I would imagine that since you're a personal trainer, you probably deal with a different clientele than is present in the majority of schools in America. With all the studies done on the changes of kids due to COVID, technology, the impact of growing single parent families on kids, etc I can't believe there are people who still say kids aren't different than they were 30 years ago.
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2024 6:55:10 GMT -6
I don't care what anyone says, and I don't want to derail this thread, but kids, overall, are drastically different than any other point in football history. Wins, losses, team success, none of that matters to a growing number of them. Stats and them "getting theirs" does. And if they can't get what they want, they'll "move". I played with a guy that wouldn't STFU about his 1,000 yard season after we lost by 28. Another guy that would pose for pix with his girl after we lost by 50. Guys that pushed good players away (even injuring a guy on purpose) so their boys could get PT. Guys who snitched on teammates so their boys could get PT. Guys who transferred back and forth to schools for PT, bc of arguing w/ the coach, etc. And that was in the 90's, in a small hick town in FL. We were good in HS, so I did not encounter people like this.
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Post by larrymoe on May 8, 2024 8:24:29 GMT -6
i find this to be strange. the one thing i couldn't stand was being on the sideline (maybe that's the reason i never was?). wherever i could get on the field was ok with me. I don't care what anyone says, and I don't want to derail this thread, but kids, overall, are drastically different than any other point in football history. Wins, losses, team success, none of that matters to a growing number of them. Stats and them "getting theirs" does. And if they can't get what they want, they'll "move".
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Post by larrymoe on May 7, 2024 20:28:23 GMT -6
I let players spend the summer at whatever position they wanted, but would tell them I thought they'd be better somewhere else. Usually, by the time 2 a days would start they'd go with the position I wanted them at because they knew they'd never play otherwise after they sat all summer. What if the given player does play at the position THEY want to play at, just not that much & you feel the team would be better with them somewhere else? If they choose to stay there, they stay there. If they don't want to move for the betterment of the team, we basically move on without them. A kid like that isn't going to contribute much if you make them do anything. I didn't have much use for kids like that. They usually got the message.
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Post by larrymoe on May 7, 2024 16:31:28 GMT -6
I let players spend the summer at whatever position they wanted, but would tell them I thought they'd be better somewhere else. Usually, by the time 2 a days would start they'd go with the position I wanted them at because they knew they'd never play otherwise after they sat all summer.
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Post by larrymoe on May 4, 2024 7:07:38 GMT -6
1 administrator, 2 teachers, and 2 Law Enforcement Officers at each checkpoint every morning. It is a headache!! We do not have many textbooks at our school....BUT they have zero respect for the Chromebooks and they do throw them at each other in a fight and bash their opposition over the head with them! I didn't even mention the marijuana confiscated some days, and the vapes - and the occasional pistol. When you give people free stuff, they don't value it. But, we as a society want to give people more and more free {censored} so we can feel better about ourselves and politicians can win elections. And you? You just shut up and work harder for their free stuff. Ain't it grand?
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Post by larrymoe on May 3, 2024 14:46:39 GMT -6
Our school confiscates the Stanley Cups from students at the school entry metal detectors and security checkpoints - backpacks and Chromebook bags are also searched. Any soft drink bottles, sport drink bottles, or water bottles that have been opened already must be thrown in the garbage barrel. No drinks in a can. No combs or hair brushes that come to a point on the handles. There's more but you get the idea - pretty strict on what is permitted through the doors. Same procedures for athletic events in this school system! Not only that, a student under 18 must be accompanied by a parent/guardian/adult, and no adult can have more than 4 persons under 18 with them at sport events. Does your paycheck come from the school district or the Department of Corrections? I was going to say, this sounds almost exactly like we can and can't bring into the prison. Do you guys require see through backpacks?
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Post by larrymoe on May 1, 2024 13:29:39 GMT -6
Don't fret. Within 12 months there will be some other overpriced, trendy, social media BS they "just have to have".
Remember Hydroflasks?
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 15, 2024 17:31:27 GMT -6
not sure how much you teachers know about REALITY, but it goes like this.... RESUME - gets applicant to HR HR - gets the candidate to Job (Management) MANAGEMENT - sets the interview based on your experience / capability for the job INTERVIEW - shows how you 'fit' with the team you'll be joining HR - does the background check Your resume just needs to be bait, filled with industry buzz words that generates hits. Thats it. Unless you're going to work for a mom & pop shop, this stuff is so silo'd, you're lucky if one hand knows what the other is doing and "HR" can be outsourced to one or two different companies, not affiliated with where you'll be hired. Coaching duties & skills won't matter, regardless of what you did, unless its the ONLY experience you have for what you're applying for. You know what, education isn't all that different. The Ed Service department at the district office doesn't talk to HR or Student Service, and the D.O. DEFINITELY doesn't always talk to the school site. And the school site admin will talk to department heads but then doesn't get consent from the DO and then it's all a big cluster ph*ck. Everyday I'm reminded of what a different world education is from place to place.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 14, 2024 7:21:35 GMT -6
I went to work for the department of corrections. Was an officer for close to 4 years, promoted to counselor last June and last November I promoted again. Now, I'm "teaching" again as I work at our training academy for new hires.
Made 45k my last year teaching with 19 years experience. I've never made less than 63k in corrections with OT. In my new job, I'll top out at 98k before I retire in 5 years at the age of 53.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 11, 2024 6:09:49 GMT -6
What are the restrictions? Ok, bear with me...we have no roster or staff size limits until the state championship game. In the state championship game, you are limited to 9 staff members on the sideline. Staff = coaches, trainers/medical staff, waterboy, ball boy, Equipment manager, etc. Basically anybody who isn't a player. You are only allowed to dress 56 Players in our state championship game. This is regardless of classification/school size. Can you imagine telling a kid (and his parents) who invested 4+ years into your program that they can't be on the sidelines for the state championship game?!? You have 56+ kids who are Jrs/Srs and some sophisticated that contribute? Man, people live different lives. I spent the majority of my career at places that didn't have 56 kids in the program, let alone 56 Jrs/Srs/contributors. Hell, the place I spent 7 years as HC, we had 50 varsity jerseys and never handed out all 50 9-12. I never coached at a place that 9+ staff members. What state is this?
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 10, 2024 11:51:45 GMT -6
Does your state have rules for the number of players you can dress or the number of staff you are allowed on your sideline? I'm looking to get our insanely restrictive limits changed in our area, and I'm trying to build our case by showing how out of sync we are with every other region. Define insanely restrictive.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 7, 2024 14:39:33 GMT -6
i grew up there, so it's home to me. no humidity, great sunrises and sunsets, the amazing amount of wildlife (which surprises most people not familiar with the area), great people, very friendly. and as they say where i grew up, great fishing within 300 miles in any direction, if you like that sort of thing. we tried to hire an o-line coach once, when i was at big lake (small west texas oilfield town). he interviewed, head coach called him the next day to see what he thought. he said his wife started crying on the way out of town and made him promise that he wouldn't make her live there. I GA’d at Sul Ross for one season before I got a full-time job. I wasn’t there long, but I don’t know that I’ll ever forget how beautiful the land was out there. My wife has a “30 minutes from a Target” rule for anywhere we live, so I think her reaction would be similar to that OL coach’s wife. Target {censored} sucks. And that is not a political comment. I've hated that {censored} store since I stepped in one.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 1, 2024 13:33:58 GMT -6
What are some things you guys do to keep things super simple for the players? Like in our program, we have like three run plays, four stunts, one coverage, etc… looking for other ways to stay simple Our play calls were Blue Right, Iso Right. Blue was formation and the play was the play. No numbers, no nothing unnecessary. I designed our entire offense to be easily understood by the dumbest of our linemen. Which is still smarter than your brightest WR most of the time.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 1, 2024 13:30:25 GMT -6
Some things I have found over the years to keep it simple without being too simple. Call plays by words like Power, Trap etc. I have not numbered plays in forever. Limit the overall number of concepts in the run and pass game. You probably only need one pass pro (maybe two) in high school. We won a state title (with talent yes) with two run schemes. You either blocked the man on you, or blocked down. On defense simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. You need to line up right and decide who will be your adjusters. I do not like to adjust with the DL or LBs so we go safety over a lot. At the level I coach at we really only need one way to line up vs 3x1 but we carry two that compliment each other. THere are certain things in all three phases of the game that I can coach in detail but don't need to. How do you adjust to a 2-TE, Tackle Over formation? ..E..G..C..G..T..T..E W........Q... ...........F......H Right guard is the center. Strong call to the wing. Probably walk OLB up to a 6 front. Maybe not. MlB over C and T. Read them as guards. Corners 5x5 off end man LOS.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 20, 2024 16:05:10 GMT -6
Let him watch hudl on his own for a bit. See what he can figure out. I like this answer a lot. If a guy shows promise, let him see what he can do on his own. You might just learn something from him.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 17, 2024 8:39:40 GMT -6
It sounds like coaches are doing a lot more in Off-Season and less In-Season. Our offense was pretty much installed before the first "two a days" practice. Not that we did a lot of stuff over the summer. We only installed stuff at our two 3-4 day camps (2 hrs a night for maybe a total of 12 hours- 6 for offense, 6 for D) and on Monday nights for an hour in the offseason. We didn't have that big of a playbook.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 16, 2024 6:28:10 GMT -6
We did 2-a-days-8 AM and 5 PM- and we had reasons: 1. We didn't platoon. Everybody initially had two positions. 2. Distance wasn't an issue. We never platooned either.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 15, 2024 21:20:16 GMT -6
We quit doing 2 a days in 2011 or 2012. We would go about an hour and 45, give the kids 30 min break and do 45 mins of specials or lifting and be done. It all sort of depended on what gear we were allowed to wear that day. I really, really liked being done by 10 or 11 am. The kids did too.
There is no way I'd ever go back to the 7-9am and 5-7pm two a days if I were to ever coach again. I'd certainly not do what we did my Sr year of HS and go 730-930, 11-Noon and 4-6. That was horrible.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 12:19:48 GMT -6
Hell, I was going RIF'd one year for some pine trees though... What does that mean? I was going to get Reduction In Forced (lose my teaching job), hypothetically because they had money problems (I made 40k) while the district paid 35kish for some pine trees. Probably a lot more complex than that, but it sure didn't feel that way. Luckily I got a much better job before they could do it. Place was my alma mater too. So, it was a little extra ball kick. They have also cut all those trees down since then.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 11:39:29 GMT -6
In 20 years of education in Illinois, I think I only worked 1 year in a district that has an assistant superintendent. And that was because the Super was retiring and they really wanted to keep the guy to become the super the next year.
Hell, I was going RIF'd one year for some pine trees though...
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 13, 2024 8:29:10 GMT -6
school is 180 days for kids teachers work 190 days, our pay rate is basically figured on a daily rate - guidance counselors might be on a 200 day contract, so figure what their annual salary would be divide by 190, then add the daily rate time 10 more days so basically I have not a 190 day contract, but a 205 day contract..... plus supplement which is just for the 'season' That's nice. In Illinois, as far as my experience was concerned, you just got a % of the starting base pay for a teacher. Usually it was 15% for head football coach. Assistant was usually 10%. So, if your district started at $40k, and your % is 15, you're getting paid $6k to be HC and $4500 to be an assistant. I think the most I ever got paid to be a HC was around $7k because the district paid extra % based on longevity and I'd been coaching 19 years at that point. They really wanted me, so they gave me the % for a 20 year coach. Also, no place I ever worked had a base pay of $40k when I worked there.
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