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Post by jg78 on Feb 12, 2024 16:11:11 GMT -6
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by coachdmyers on Feb 12, 2024 16:21:09 GMT -6
Chiefs don't seem to care, Reid doesn't seem to care, it's apparently something they do to one another, and he apparently caught him off-guard so it looked worse than it was.
It's not something I find appropriate for high schoolers to do though.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 12, 2024 16:33:44 GMT -6
Absolute nothing burger. It was only noticed because Kelce somehow lost track of his space.
This is the NFL. It is a professional organization. The dynamics are nothing compared to schoolboy football.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Feb 12, 2024 17:44:21 GMT -6
Different dynamic than HS and even college
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Post by silkyice on Feb 12, 2024 17:57:11 GMT -6
Absolute nothing burger. It was only noticed because Kelce somehow lost track of his space. This is the NFL. It is a professional organization. The dynamics are nothing compared to schoolboy football. Don’t agree it was a nothing burger. It was at least a small order of fries. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 12, 2024 18:01:50 GMT -6
Absolute nothing burger. It was only noticed because Kelce somehow lost track of his space. This is the NFL. It is a professional organization. The dynamics are nothing compared to schoolboy football. Don’t agree it was a nothing burger. It was at least a small order of fries. Nah. It was just an intense man being intense in an intense environment - but losing his spatial awareness made it look much more aggressive Anyone trying to make anything of it is simply digging for attention or "clicks" as they kids say. |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 12, 2024 18:01:55 GMT -6
Absolute nothing burger. It was only noticed because Kelce somehow lost track of his space. This is the NFL. It is a professional organization. The dynamics are nothing compared to schoolboy football. Don’t agree it was a nothing burger. It was at least a small order of fries. Agreed. That's the kind of stuff that gets you out of the league the second your talent's dried up. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Feb 12, 2024 18:50:34 GMT -6
I see coaches do players like this in the NFL, why is that ok?
NFL all grown men.
WAY different than HS and College.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Feb 12, 2024 22:28:04 GMT -6
A ton of nfl players and coaches are on a first name basis.
I guess that stuff happens when it’s a literal job- and the players often make more than the coach
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 12, 2024 23:11:16 GMT -6
NFL is a different animal... the higher you go, the closer it is to a peer-peer relationship in my opinion.
I think it is one of the reasons why a guy like Saban was better fit for the College model. More of a subordinate-type relationship with the players.
I don't think it is a big deal. Reid didn't seem to mind and probably likes the fact that his superstar TE actually gave a $h!t about winning the game. The personal relationship between the 2 is what determines that.
My wife and kids get away with a lot of $h!t I wouldn't take from anyone else.
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Post by fantom on Feb 13, 2024 10:44:20 GMT -6
NFL is a different animal... the higher you go, the closer it is to a peer-peer relationship in my opinion. I think it is one of the reasons why a guy like Saban was better fit for the College model. More of a subordinate-type relationship with the players. I don't think it is a big deal. Reid didn't seem to mind and probably likes the fact that his superstar TE actually gave a $h!t about winning the game. The personal relationship between the 2 is what determines that. My wife and kids get away with a lot of $h!t I wouldn't take from anyone else. Reid probably was wondering himself why Kelce wasn't in the game. |
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Post by blb on Feb 13, 2024 10:56:56 GMT -6
NFL is a different animal... the higher you go, the closer it is to a peer-peer relationship in my opinion. I think it is one of the reasons why a guy like Saban was better fit for the College model. More of a subordinate-type relationship with the players. I don't think it is a big deal. Reid didn't seem to mind and probably likes the fact that his superstar TE actually gave a $h!t about winning the game. The personal relationship between the 2 is what determines that. My wife and kids get away with a lot of $h!t I wouldn't take from anyone else. Reid probably was wondering himself why Kelce wasn't in the game. I know I was. He'd have a 30-minute halftime to rest. |
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Post by chi5hi on Feb 13, 2024 10:58:12 GMT -6
NFL is a different animal... the higher you go, the closer it is to a peer-peer relationship in my opinion. I think it is one of the reasons why a guy like Saban was better fit for the College model. More of a subordinate-type relationship with the players. I don't think it is a big deal. Reid didn't seem to mind and probably likes the fact that his superstar TE actually gave a $h!t about winning the game. The personal relationship between the 2 is what determines that. My wife and kids get away with a lot of $h!t I wouldn't take from anyone else. Reid probably was wondering himself why Kelce wasn't in the game. LOL! |
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Post by CoachK on Feb 13, 2024 11:14:18 GMT -6
NFL is a different animal... the higher you go, the closer it is to a peer-peer relationship in my opinion. I think it is one of the reasons why a guy like Saban was better fit for the College model. More of a subordinate-type relationship with the players. I don't think it is a big deal. Reid didn't seem to mind and probably likes the fact that his superstar TE actually gave a $h!t about winning the game. The personal relationship between the 2 is what determines that. My wife and kids get away with a lot of $h!t I wouldn't take from anyone else. I agree with this. Kelce put in his time and has just as much to do with that franchise winning or losing than anybody else.
It's a teachable moment for the rest of us. Sit your kids down next time you see them and explain the difference. When you're a first ballot hall-of-famer, you can do that. Until then, behave yourself.
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Post by Down 'n Out on Feb 13, 2024 12:22:16 GMT -6
A lot of people I've actually spoke to or discussed it with on Facebook talk about the example set to children. Imo they're grown men and their dynamic is different than what probably any of us has experienced. I too think its a teachable moment for us with our kids/players.
Ive had kids get really heated with me, I felt they were just fired up and didn't have a problem with it.
Ill take a overly excited/enthusiastic player over one whos indifferent every time.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 14, 2024 5:44:15 GMT -6
I have had kids get verbally heated with me from time to time. Like Reid I stayed calm and didn't overreact. Depending on what was said or done you can calm them down, finish the game, and deal with it later. An emotional reaction doesn't mean you take your pads off and sit the rest of the game just like an emotional reaction doesn't (neccessarily) mean you're fired or kicked out of school. What happens "next" matters.
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Post by brophy on Feb 14, 2024 8:51:51 GMT -6
ahaha..... I'm gonna lose spatial awareness all over your face!  There are two dynamics with this incident: 1 - players demonstratively usurping leadership. Players doing more than "disagreeing" with coaches, but losing control and lashing out. I've seen this more than enough at the HS level. Obviously, there's really nothing you can do at the moment and only re-educate, reset expectations for that kid later after they've cooled off. During games, you can send them to the locker room if they can't be redirected. There's all types of knuckleheads out there, so I suppose just focusing on STARTERS that act out like this is worth discussing. 2 - player power vs coaching authority. This may have a parallel in the classroom than the playing field, because in the classroom you can't pick and choose the participants you're dealing with. Kids KNOW they have all the leverage and there's nothing you can do about it, which means they're more inclined to engage in power thrusts. In the NFL/NCAA playing field, when you're a star player YOU what matters, not the coaches. When they know this, it takes a special maturity to continue to work amicably is the coach/coach relationship different than player/coach (I think so)? Who hasn't been MF'ed to death and fired four times during a game? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2024 9:10:33 GMT -6
ahaha..... I'm gonna lose spatial awareness all over your face! There are two dynamics with this incident: 1 - players demonstratively usurping leadership. Players doing more than "disagreeing" with coaches, but losing control and lashing out. I've seen this more than enough at the HS level. Obviously, there's really nothing you can do at the moment and only re-educate, reset expectations for that kid later after they've cooled off. During games, you can send them to the locker room if they can't be redirected. There's all types of knuckleheads out there, so I suppose just focusing on STARTERS that act out like this is worth discussing. 2 - player power vs coaching authority. This may have a parallel in the classroom than the playing field, because in the classroom you can't pick and choose the participants you're dealing with. Kids KNOW they have all the leverage and there's nothing you can do about it, which means they're more inclined to engage in power thrusts. In the NFL/NCAA playing field, when you're a star player YOU what matters, not the coaches. When they know this, it takes a special maturity to continue to work amicably is the coach/coach relationship different than player/coach (I think so)? Who hasn't been MF'ed to death and fired four times during a game? The coach/coach relationship is not very different than many of the player/coach relationships in the NFL, where as someone mentioned earlier it is often a peer/peer relationship between men 30+ years of age. Kelce has probably called Reid "Andy" for the last 5-6 years, and has worked with him for the last 9. The only reason that incident is applicable to anyone posting on this board is simply because as people see things, people do things and it will invariably lead to #1 above. And not for nothing, he got called out nationwide by his big brother on it anyway and Travis announced that he regretted it. Moving on. |
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Post by veerwego on Feb 14, 2024 9:37:24 GMT -6
If my co-worker or subordinate ever jumps in face yelling and screaming and bumps into me, they better have a really good severance plan lined up for me. I get that it is football and things can get heated, but the physical contact was at minimum a bad look and, to me, over the line. Kelce looked like a spoiled brat being told no in the grocery store.
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Post by spreadattack on Feb 14, 2024 9:59:17 GMT -6
This incident doesn't really "bother" me -- and given it is between two very highly paid, very successful professionals who are not me, why would it? I don't think it's a great look, and I saw Kelce "apologized" in the sense that he said he didn't mean to bump Reid. I guess at bottom my view is I don't really think it's an appropriate way to act, but it's also the NFL and these folks have thick skin and a lot of money, consequences, etc. are on the line (and, at least as I understand it, Kelce's point is he wanted to be in the game).
But who knows. This kind of stuff happens.
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Post by veerman on Feb 14, 2024 10:00:04 GMT -6
Do I approve? HECK NO. BUT Andy obviously didn't have a problem with it. In HS we are the captains of the ship, in college (changing in power 5 conferences as we speak) you are still the captains. In Pro sports, coaches are Not the captains, they are the advisors to the captains. Andy knows this and thats why some coaches make better pro coaches and others do not, and some pro coaches would struggle at lower levels as well.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 14, 2024 10:02:01 GMT -6
I'm not sure if Reid gives two chitburgers about much other than winning.
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Post by brophy on Feb 14, 2024 10:30:03 GMT -6
I'm calling BS on these excuses
Yes, emotions run high and its to be expected, but you cross a very serious line when you assault another man. Kelce did more than just yell or say a naughty word. It doesn't matter if someone is "okay with getting physically disrespected"
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2024 10:37:09 GMT -6
brophy the videos you showed are not what happened. What happened was that Kelce misjudged his distance and bumped into an off balance man while yelling at him.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Feb 14, 2024 10:54:26 GMT -6
I think there is definitely more to this than what is being led on. Andy Reid handled it with absolute class and Kelce responded well to the media too. But just because things look good to the public doesn't mean all is well and clean behind closed doors.
I also think that this would be a MUCH MUCH MUCH BIGGER issue if the Chiefs had lost.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2024 10:58:33 GMT -6
]I'm calling BS on these excuses I agree. Not saying it is the worst thing ever or that Andy handled it wrong or right. But let's be clear, it wasn't right what Travis did. Also not my job to handle it. A few more points that change things: 1) if it wasn't a veteran 2) if it wasn't a hall of famer 3) if they hadn't already won some super bowls 4) if they would have lost 5) if it wasn't a playoff game or super bowl 6) if this was two different (you know what else). 7) if this wasn't Taylor Swift's boyfriend - I kid, I kid. Meaning, what would have been said if a rookie player on San Fran did this? Would we maybe say, "That is why they can't win the big one?" and/or "This is unacceptable, you have to be able to keep your cool in the big game and not cross player/coach boundaries." or do we just blow it off. |
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Post by silkyice on Feb 14, 2024 11:08:00 GMT -6
brophy the videos you showed are not what happened. What happened was that Kelce misjudged his distance and bumped into an off balance man while yelling at him. I do agree here. That the bumping was accidental. While the bumping wasn't 1st degree bumping, it was 3rd degree bumping. HA |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2024 11:10:10 GMT -6
brophy the videos you showed are not what happened. What happened was that Kelce misjudged his distance and bumped into an off balance man while yelling at him. I do agree here. That the bumping was accidental. While the bumping wasn't 1st degree bumping, it was 2nd degree bumping. HA And without the bumping- it was just a heated exchange from guys who have worked with each other for almost a decade in pressure packed high stakes endeavors. And the guy already said he was wrong. |
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Post by Defcord on Feb 14, 2024 11:12:49 GMT -6
Making physical contact with another human in anger is unacceptable. Regardless of judgement on the situation at-large relationally between the two humans here in Reid and Kelce. I draw a hard line at physical confrontation..it's unacceptable, even if by accident.
The consequences can be debated, but to say it is nothing or inconsequential, I just can't get my mind wrapped around that.
Had the questionable judgement of verbal confrontation been avoided, then there would have been no accidental physical confrontation.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 14, 2024 11:14:28 GMT -6
Making physical contact with another human in anger is unacceptable. Regardless of judgement on the situation at-large relationally between the two humans here in Reid and Kelce. I draw a hard line at physical confrontation..it's unacceptable, even if by accident. The consequences can be debated, but to say it is nothing or inconsequential, I just can't get my mind wrapped around that. Had the questionable judgement of verbal confrontation been avoided, then there would have been no accidental physical confrontation. And Kelce has already said as much. Which makes it "nothing" |
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