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Post by larrymoe on Dec 9, 2023 21:54:09 GMT -6
Selection based on off season points total. I ask the kids what number they want to be when second semester starts. If 2 kids want the same number. The guy with the most off season points gets it. This is what we did, except I just lined the kids up according to points with highest first and they got what they wanted. Class, age, didn't give a {censored}. Want a certain number? Work for it.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 5, 2023 7:14:32 GMT -6
I used to start letting them come in around the end of February/beginning of March. Usually after their basketball season ended. Talked with my older kids about how to help, don't make fun of them for lifting light weights, etc.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 3, 2023 19:06:14 GMT -6
Completely empty formations. Not even a QB…try stacking the box versus that! There was a guy on here years ago that did that. They would motion and catch the snap. I was just going to post that.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 1, 2023 11:13:49 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 30, 2023 18:34:40 GMT -6
Shrinkflation.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2023 13:19:08 GMT -6
I always figured if I could go 50% from 3 yds away for a 2pt conversion, it was as good as kicking. I think I attempted 1 FG in 9 years of being a HC. And it was with my RT in a blowout loss. Squibs will usually give the ball to the opponents around the 35 because unless it's the deep guy, almost every other KOR player just falls on it. I hated punting. If I could, I'd never punt. In 12 games in 2013 we punted 7 times. 4 or 5 were when we were up by 40+. And our punter avg 50+ that year. Whatever works for you. Or "Different strokes for different folks." Dan Campbell (Lions' coach) may have learned on Thanksgiving Day that kicking the ball on 4th Down is not an admission of failure or a stain on his manhood. Agreed. I wasn't trying to be argumentative, just explaining my thought process. I'm also the guy that ran wedge on 4th and 5 from around my own 20, so maybe I'm not the guy to take advice from. It did go for an 80yd TD though.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2023 13:10:44 GMT -6
If it was a really bad thing he said as in real bad technique, I'd usually wander over and say something like "Coach, have you ever thought of doing it this way?" and then show/demonstrate the technique you want taught. That way, you're not making him out to be an ass to the kids, but you get your point across that, no, we're not doing it that way.
If it was a minor thing, I usually just pulled him aside during a water break and talked to him about what I actually wanted to see.
The only time I really lit into a coach on the field was I had an assistant I put in charge of FG/PAT just to give him something to do and I knew we wouldn't do a lot with it other than PAT. In fact, I kind of just let him do whatever he wanted and I took care of other things while they practiced it. Anyway, the night before our soap game we're running through our stuff and it's time for FG/PAT. This man had 3 different formations in and like 5 fakes. It irritated me and I let him know it. We weren't going to need trickery that year to score points (This was the year we had a 2,000 yd and 1,000 rushers returning to our backfield). He did a lot of that kind of stuff and it drove me nuts.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2023 12:53:44 GMT -6
There are ways to get around not having a kicker or snapper though. There is no way to get around not having a competent QB. That is true. However in my philosophy, I wanted TDs to always count seven. I wanted to be able to get three if we couldn't get seven, especially on last play of half -game or in OT. I wanted the other team to gain possession after a KO with more than 70 yards to go to score (their returner and our coverage being the variable of course). And Punt was the only play in my playbook guaranteed, if we coached it well enough, to gain 30 yards or more almost every time. I liked playing with the ball on a short field. And kicking game (including returns) was the way to get that. If we could get possession on opponents' side of the 50 we were much more likely to score. Not to mention the effect blocked kicks can have on the outcome of games. I never figured out a way to block KOs, however. I always figured if I could go 50% from 3 yds away for a 2pt conversion, it was as good as kicking. I think I attempted 1 FG in 9 years of being a HC. And it was with my RT in a blowout loss. Squibs will usually give the ball to the opponents around the 35 because unless it's the deep guy, almost every other KOR player just falls on it. I hated punting. If I could, I'd never punt. In 12 games in 2013 we punted 7 times. 4 or 5 were when we were up by 40+. And our punter avg 50+ that year.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2023 5:00:14 GMT -6
Also, a reminder for the young bucks (and us old farts too), you should be spending half of your offseason time learning the other side of the ball. Not to mention Kicking Game. Which brings up a pet peeve of mine - Some HS coaches will spend a lot of time developing QBs, but none developing Punters, Place kickers, Deep Snappers. Would you just hope a good passer somehow shows up or you can't throw the ball? Same goes with other Specialists. Kicking is 1/3 of football. Breaks happen in the Kicking Game. You have to coach it as well as other two phases or risking losing there. There are ways to get around not having a kicker or snapper though. There is no way to get around not having a competent QB.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 29, 2023 4:56:59 GMT -6
As others have said, there's no way in hell I'm kicking that deep. I never did the sky kick, but had it done to me and it was very effective. I just never had a kid who could do it. We never got it above the eye line a lot though.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 18:09:01 GMT -6
Your coaching place sounds interesting... There's a grass area by the parking lot where kids hang out and wait to get picked up. Inevitably, there's always some kind of grab assery, tag type of game. Other times, I've seen kids go from football practice to playing a pick up basketball game on the blacktop courts near the locker room. The point is they have a high level of recovery. I'm not saying rest isn't important and that we shouldn't run them to the ground everyday, but I can't help but think that the only way to get fast is to sprint a lot. The only way to get strong, is to lift a lot. I think the practice restrictions we have now keep that from happening anyway. I think you need to read what you wrote again.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 16:41:30 GMT -6
One thing I think we are forgetting here is that teenagers have an unbelievable recovery time. Can't tell you how many times we've finished a pretty grueling practice only to find kids goofing off, running around near the parking lot waiting for their kids to pick them up. We're not dealing with old men with back pain who have 1 good play left in them. Smartassery aside, I agree. I also think that grinding them for 16 straight weeks can be very detrimental. If I had to do it all over again, I'd definitely lighten up a LOT more toward the end of the season if I thought we had a chance to make a run. I didn't do that in 13 and it will always eat at me. The what if.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 16:39:02 GMT -6
goofing off, running around near the parking lot waiting for their kids to pick them up. Your coaching place sounds interesting...
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 14:48:53 GMT -6
We always did our hardest conditioning after warmups so that it was essentially a part of warm ups. On offensive days we ran 10 40yd sprints with rest time so that they could go hard all 10. On defensive days it was our pursuit drill. During Indy we'd do a position based conditioning. For OL that usually meant driving the sled (as I believe I said earlier in the thread). WRs/RBs/etc would do a competitive 7on7. Then we'd do a special team followed by one DBD (down back down across the field). That was timed and if we improved as a team, that would basically be the conditioning for the day. Then we'd go to team time to finish the day.
I don't think that's too far off the FTC plan except maybe the sprints. And those were done on Tuesday.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 14:43:47 GMT -6
Downside of FTC -- We are using an FTC approach. Minimal conditioning (first few weeks of the season we did some prowler pushes on the days before we had pads). Full speed sprint work in-season (during S&C Class). I've been getting absolutely hammered by the AD and other school members that football practice is too easy, specifically because we do not condition enough. That "baseball practice should not be harder than football practice" 14-9 in 2 seasons (best 2 year stretch in about 15 years). First playoff win in 15 years last year. First home playoff game in 15 years this year. Virtually no soft-tissue injuries (or really any injuries. One separated shoulder, one bruised knee, one AC Sprain). But the perception that it is "soft" is tough for certain types to overcome. I was never officially a FTC guy, but I ran into a similar situation in 2010 when I took over for a guy who had been there for 25 years. I stopped practicing on Saturdays, I quit endlessly running at the end of practice, I quit doing conditioning stuff that had no point (mostly things like bear crawls, monkey rolls, crab walks, etc). We started out rough (4-5 my first year, which was below the norm there) and I heard all the same things you do. I was too soft, we'd never win unless I punished kids, "back in my day I had to bear crawl around the practice field for xxx minutes", etc. Year 2 we went 6-4, won the conference and started a 24 game regular season win streak. Suddenly, no one had a problem. If you like what you're doing, and it's being successful, {censored} those idiots.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 12:53:53 GMT -6
I have been attend NDSU one these past few years. Been really good and you get to be on the field for a few practices. I just can't get up for Glazier anymore. Same topics and guys pimping their systems they stole. I submitted a speaker app for Glazier and never heard back. I even looked at the speaking list and they had openings in the 2 areas I suggested: and S&C topic and a program/culture topic. But I'm not backed by Russian bots on Twitter so I don't have the rub they want I'm assuming I worked a couple years at the Glazier in St Louis. It was a great deal. Helped make sure the speakers were set up and got a free hotel room and clinic. Was really helpful those first couple years at my small school HC stop where we had no budget for a couple years.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 12:52:00 GMT -6
I like having access to Glazier Drive, but as mentioned I've lost interest in actually attending a Glazier clinic in person. If location is no factor--or if we're just supplying good clinics for the good of the group--two I'll vouch for in Illinois are the Run the Gun Clinic hosted by Sacred Heart-Griffin in Springfield, IL and the Tri-State Clinic in Quincy, IL. The Quincy clinic is normally early-to-Mid-March and used to be a Wing T delight but they've expanded topics recently. The Gun clinic used to be "invite only" but I'm not sure how hard it is to get on the list anymore. Both are good. The Tri State one is ran by Camp Point HC Brad Dixon. It was very good the year I went. twitter.com/TriStateClinic
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 8:41:15 GMT -6
I have been attend NDSU one these past few years. Been really good and you get to be on the field for a few practices. I just can't get up for Glazier anymore. Same topics and guys pimping their systems they stole. I absolutely loved Glaziers the first couple times I went. But, I realized after a couple years it was the same clinic every year, ever location. Same guys (although their names were different sometimes), same topics. And the hawking of stuff also annoyed me as well.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 27, 2023 8:36:21 GMT -6
I've never seen an UC take a knee snap fumbled, but I have seen gun ones fumbled. Maybe my math is off, but it has happened exponentially more. I don't know what times difference 0 to however many is. As far as Illinois rules, I can't honestly tell you. Most gun people who take knees out of gun tell me when I ask them why "Because it's who we are". There's never a lot of reasoning behind it. And yes, I think running stuff out of gun that can be run out of UC just to run it out of gun is stupid. There is no stupider formation on earth than the Gun I. I cannot believe I am still responding here. Pretty sure you probably feel the same way. Ha We almost won a semi-final game when a 100% gun team had to try and take a knee under center. We put a 330 pounder in left A gap and a 350 pounder in right A gap and got the ball on their first attempt. The refs wanted us to back off but I said no way. That team was 100% gun and this was for a birth in the state finals. We would have won too, but had a bs hold call on a TD 2 plays later and ended kicking a last second FG to go to OT and lost. You actually ask teams that just beat you why they took a knee out of the gun?? By the way, their answer is 100% the most logical answer they could give you. That is who they are. They are a gun team. Should they be ready to take an uc snap when they absolutely must? Of course. Should they do that in the middle of the field, no. Let's just cut to the chase. You just hate the gun. Period. I believe that in Illinois, if a ref tells your team to back off and you still go at them, you can get a 15yd penalty. I don't know that for certain because I haven't personally been in a losing by a close score and opponent taking a knee situation in about 10 years and I believe the laying off is a fairly new "rule". Ya, I'll ask pretty much anyone anything any time. I don't hate the formation. I dabbled in some gun stuff. Probably my biggest win as a HC came because of some stuff I worked in out of gun. I do not care for the gun fanatics that act like if you don't run it your a caveman that fathom their amazing intellect. I also am not a big fan of what it's done to the game of football, but no one cares what I think, so it's whatever.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 25, 2023 9:38:05 GMT -6
Again, it could be different in another state, but in Illinois if you tell the refs you're taking a knee, the defense can not hit you. You can snap the ball as slow as you want. You could probably turn around and hand the ball to the QB. I've seen 100 times more fumbled gun take a knee snaps than I have UC ones. What do you do to take a knee if you're a gun team and the ball is at you 2? And if you're going to go under center there to prevent a safety, why can't you do that all the time? And yes, the ball traveling 11 yds to gain 1 will always seem stupid to me. You have seen 100 times more fumbled gun take a knee snaps than UC ones?? That is a lot of take a knee snaps. If you take a knee out of the gun and tell the refs you are taking a knee, don’t the same Illinois rules apply? If so, then what difference does it make how you take the snap? If you are on the 2, you go under center. I didn’t say that teams should never go under center to take a knee. And yes you should practice that every week. Even if that is literally the only time you should do it. What if you have to go 3 yards? Is the ball traveling 13 yards to gain 3 still stupid? I mean that is still a cute phrase. I've never seen an UC take a knee snap fumbled, but I have seen gun ones fumbled. Maybe my math is off, but it has happened exponentially more. I don't know what times difference 0 to however many is. As far as Illinois rules, I can't honestly tell you. Most gun people who take knees out of gun tell me when I ask them why "Because it's who we are". There's never a lot of reasoning behind it. And yes, I think running stuff out of gun that can be run out of UC just to run it out of gun is stupid. There is no stupider formation on earth than the Gun I.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 25, 2023 9:08:16 GMT -6
My entire discussion is about taking a knee out of shotgun or running sneak out of it. Both are stupid. I could care less what people run their offenses out of. If you read my posts, they are only about those two things. Well I think it is stupid to think that is stupid. I understand having preferences and opinions. But do you really think that going under center to take a knee is smart if you are a 100% gun team? And do you really think that snapping the ball to someone who might be your best football player (like Cam Newton) in the gun while having a TE and an H back and a RB block for him so that you can gain a yard on the goalline is stupid? That it would be better to go under center and have him handoff or run sneak? I have zero problem with going under center (ummm wing t guy here), but I think that being gun is just fine and it makes more sense to find ways to do what you do effectively in all situations than to change what you do in crucial situations. Again, it could be different in another state, but in Illinois if you tell the refs you're taking a knee, the defense can not hit you. You can snap the ball as slow as you want. You could probably turn around and hand the ball to the QB. I've seen 100 times more fumbled gun take a knee snaps than I have UC ones. What do you do to take a knee if you're a gun team and the ball is at you 2? And if you're going to go under center there to prevent a safety, why can't you do that all the time? And yes, the ball traveling 11 yds to gain 1 will always seem stupid to me.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 25, 2023 8:57:43 GMT -6
So, needless to say, Coach Dixon is going to be a really popular and busy guy this offseason. Wasn't he already? I think he gets on here from time to time, so, congratulations Coach!
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 24, 2023 16:06:05 GMT -6
Not really. It's stupid for them to do it too. I was just throwing that nugget out. Single wing is non existent in under 3A football in Illinois. I can only name 2 programs in the state that run it. Again. You are missing the point. The point is that you can run power football with a shotgun snap. For what it is worth, a 7A quarterfinalist in Alabama runs it and a 2A state champion powerhouse runs it. And plenty of other 7A football teams play running qb's out of the gun with multiple TE and H back sets. We played one last week and one in 4 hours. They both are pretty dang good on the goalline and in short yardage. My entire discussion is about taking a knee out of shotgun or running sneak out of it. Both are stupid. I could care less what people run their offenses out of. If you read my posts, they are only about those two things.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 24, 2023 14:15:56 GMT -6
I haven't played, coached or scouted against a single wing team since 1999. I think y'all are missing the point. Not really. It's stupid for them to do it too. I was just throwing that nugget out. Single wing is non existent in under 3A football in Illinois. I can only name 2 programs in the state that run it.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 24, 2023 10:27:52 GMT -6
Shotgun in short yardage never bothered me, Single Wing teams do it every snap and no one bats an eye I haven't played, coached or scouted against a single wing team since 1999.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 22, 2023 17:51:44 GMT -6
Three Year Letterman.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 20, 2023 18:51:24 GMT -6
This is followed closely by taking a knee in gun for me. But yes, snapping the ball 5yds backwards to gain 6inches has always been a mystifying choice to me. In my opinion, Taking a knee from the shotgun is a much safer play. As long as you do it right. How is it safer? If you tell the refs you're taking a knee they (at least in Illinois) tell the other team to lay off.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 20, 2023 18:34:49 GMT -6
You can't teach it, but I think you can give kids opportunities to learn it through actions. 'teach it', 'learn it' 2 sides of the same coin Agreed. I mean teaching as in telling.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 20, 2023 18:08:07 GMT -6
I coach in the top classification in SC and have for the last 20 years. Most everyone is 10 gun personnel, with some type of 'heavy/jumbo/Single wing' for short yardage/goal line. A couple go 11 personnel or 20 personnel. There is only 1 Wing T team. There is one that will go 12 personnel. Other than the Wing T team, we haven't played a mostly under center team since about 2009/2010 Double Wing team. Usually going under center is a dead give a way for QB sneak. The last time we saw a team that showed any type of Pro I type look was in 2017, and it was their 'change of pace' offense. The offenses in SC at our level are as exciting as a bowl of milk. Meanwhile, 5 of the 6 finalists in the Illinois state championships 1A-3A are UC wing-t/flexbone teams. I'm fairly certain all 5 beat shotgun spread teams in the semis.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 20, 2023 18:03:25 GMT -6
Something that irritated the crap out of me was teams staying in gun in short yardage situations and running the ball by handing off to a back. It seemed to me that the vast majority of these plays got blown up. I would much prefer getting the QB under center in those situations so the RB can get a full head of steam. This is followed closely by taking a knee in gun for me. But yes, snapping the ball 5yds backwards to gain 6inches has always been a mystifying choice to me.
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