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Post by larrymoe on Jun 25, 2021 15:17:20 GMT -6
Every school and "culture" has kids that aren't happy about something and get pissy and bitch on social media. Heck, in our area alone Maroa Forsyth and SHG has had kids bitch and eventually move because they weren't happy about something. That is in no way an indication of those school's "culture". Team captains and starters? I find that really hard to believe at those two schools you used as examples. Maroa had 3 kids all transfer the same spring a couple years ago. They were all multiple year starters, all conference/County and even all state and probably would have been captains going into their Sr years. I believe all 3 kids all started at their new schools.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 25, 2021 11:15:47 GMT -6
I have only worked at 2/5 schools that have had a unified strength program for the boys and only one of those 2 had it for boys and girls. Does having the only strength program of any sport in the school count as a "unified" strength program? In that case, I've been in 3 of those schools.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 25, 2021 10:13:30 GMT -6
Every school and "culture" has kids that aren't happy about something and get pissy and bitch on social media. Heck, in our area alone Maroa Forsyth and SHG has had kids bitch and eventually move because they weren't happy about something. That is in no way an indication of those school's "culture".
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 23, 2021 19:11:12 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 23, 2021 18:54:54 GMT -6
I haven't read anything that said she was suspended from school. Just the JV cheer team.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 23, 2021 17:45:39 GMT -6
I am hesitant to bring this to the discussion, as I know how some twist these things into political argument type things, but I feel it is a fair discussion to have. Today, the supreme court ruled in favor of Brandi Levy. Levy, a teenager who posted a profanity laced snapchat post against her high school cheer team after failing to make varsity, was suspended from her JV team after the post. Her parents sued the school and the supreme court ruled in her favor- basically stating it didnt meet the Tinker standard for being disruptive to the learning environment. Now, maybe I missed something here, but I was always led to believe that extra curriculars were given a different standard in leeway to suspending participants. Regardless, if a player of yours did something similar, posted publicly online "F@#* (your school), and F@#* (the football team)" would you suspend or reprimand them? I believe this very much disrupts the team, and would lead to conflicts in the locker room. Thoughts?ย I just told the kid that was verbally saying those things in our locker room one time to just not show up for the bus. He got pissed and said he quit. That way, it was on him. But ya, I'd do something about it, but we're moving away from people having the ability to do it.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 17, 2021 16:45:01 GMT -6
A recent list I saw from a vendor who works with coaches has Illinois at 50 jobs that are open/have changed coaches. I know of at least 2 jobs that are open he didn't post, so I would estimate it to be at over 60. That's since the season ended in May.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 11, 2021 16:56:41 GMT -6
Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- "Once that flip switches..." LOL. It should be "Once that SWITCH FLIPS..." Nothing like putting one's ignorance on display for all to see. I think that's on purpose.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 11, 2021 16:55:59 GMT -6
Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS- Someone on here recently talked about how it bothers them that they are expected to be a freaking pastor-figure to their team. I personally believe that outside of the football coaching part, coaching is pretty much what you choose to make it. If you want to be a pastor-figure, more power to you. But, if you are there just to coach ball, I think as long as you are a good example and have some basic behavioral expectations, then I don't think you should be expected to do anymore than that. EDIT: That video, good god that $#it gets on my nerves I think the issue I take with this stuff is how it becomes ANOTHER expectation of you to do in the job. I could care less if people do this stupid {censored}, but eventually someone mimics it. Then your kids, parents or admins see it and ask or expect you to do it. When you don't you're an a-hole and it just adds another twig to the fire that constantly is burning under your feet.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 11, 2021 16:03:21 GMT -6
We had a first year guy quit halfway through the 6 game spring season over parents and the AD. There's about double the jobs open in our area that there would be in a normal year. People are just tired of dealing with the BS. And I don't blame them in the least. Teachers? Places here in Central Illinois are having problems finding PE teachers. When I got my HC/SS job in 2010 there were a combined 60 applications. When I left in 2017 there were 6 for football and 4 for SS. And we went 42-28 in those years. My wife's school recently paid for her to go get her special ed certificate because they had no one apply for the position. Yeah I know that's why you quit, you got tired of the BS Pretty high on that list is also this kind of stuff and the expectation for everyone to do this fake, manufactured BS-
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 9, 2021 17:42:15 GMT -6
In 1993 (my Sr year) we had lifting (extremely voluntary) from 5-630, but kids could show up at any time during that window to lift. Had 1 camp for 1 week in July. I think for Tues nights in July our skills guys went to Illinois State for an informal 7on7 league. My Jr year they tried to have a linemen activity during those involving a medicine ball and a volleyball net. I played once. We also somehow managed to be competent week 1 running the Nebraska belly option from the I. I also worked 5 days a week at that time.
As a HC we would lift M, W and Th from 4-515ish. On Mondays we'd do some football stuff for about an hour after weights. 1 camp in June- 3 days and 1 in July- 4 days. Went to about 3 7on7 events a year. Twice to a local school for informal ones, once to a Saturday "tournament".
Had parents ask me my last two years why we weren't doing more because "X, Y and Z school does blah, blah, blah". I already thought we were doing too much and judging by kids showing up, they thought so too. But, that keeping up with the Joneses can be a mother effer.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 9, 2021 14:22:13 GMT -6
I just wish, for just once, a place like this would let the guy come back to deal with the fallout of a thing like this.
He won't, but I think that would be a better punishment.
The sad part is, if he won some games, people would go right back to kissing his ass.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 9, 2021 12:13:54 GMT -6
One of my favorite ironies in football coaching was the "grinders" who wasted time just to show dedication who also openly wondered why their numbers sucked.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 8, 2021 8:21:30 GMT -6
Last email from the state association that has included jobs opening (this is for all sports) - 29 high schools looking for at least 1 coach - 17 HS looking for multiple coaches - 10 HS looking for at least 1 varsity HC for a sport - 6 PE opening specifically listed (several just list 'opening available, check DO site....) That's out of 220 HS, which includes several magnet schools and charter schools. ย Some of these schools don't have football. Last I looked Illinois was in the 40-50 HC jobs open, without really getting into the Chicago area. Assistants who teach are impossible to find. In 9 years of being a HC I had 6 and they've gotten harder to find since then.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 5, 2021 15:37:39 GMT -6
It's human nature. Watch any number of those set up incidents where people watch all sorts of terrible situations and do nothing. It think the watch and do nothing crowd is usually around 70%. The number skyrockets up if there's an authority figure ordering the atrocity. There's a study out about it, but I can't for the life of me remember the name of it. People are sheep. The Milgram Experiment Thank you.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2021 18:07:48 GMT -6
Jim is 85 now. But I bet he would still pick up the first down. For real I'm not telling him he can't.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 4, 2021 15:55:30 GMT -6
Ainโt just sports. Truly horrific events in history have a long list of those who stood by and watched. As a history teacher I can attest to that. It's human nature. Watch any number of those set up incidents where people watch all sorts of terrible situations and do nothing. It think the watch and do nothing crowd is usually around 70%. The number skyrockets up if there's an authority figure ordering the atrocity. There's a study out about it, but I can't for the life of me remember the name of it. People are sheep.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2021 14:07:59 GMT -6
Religious considerations aside, I can't believe we still have adult human beings who think something this stupid is a good idea.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 3, 2021 10:52:51 GMT -6
This is a good argument for not allowing guys to bring an entire staff with him.
On another note, this reminds me of my best definition of defensive driving from driver's ed- "Never underestimate the ability of people to be stupid".
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 22:41:54 GMT -6
In the state of Illinois they've {censored} up the retirement system so good that you have to work longer as a teacher before you can retire than a normal job.
Low pay, long hours, getting blamed for all society's ills, expected to raise kids, {censored} healthcare AND I get to retire later? SIGN ME UP!!!
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 19:45:10 GMT -6
How many of you have a significant amount of talent walking around your school but NOT playing? Now and then we'll get a kid or two who could help, but whose parents don't want them to play football; or someone who feels like they need to just focus on another sport. But its rare that I can remember a swing of more than a win's worth of talent being on campus but not playing on the team. That being written, finding talent on other teams and poaching them is VERY real out here. "Talent" or football players? Every place I coached had a lot of the first and very few of the latter. And there is a SIGNIFICANT difference. Some of my worst years were spent coaching with guys who chased "talent" and ignored the football players on the team.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 17:36:54 GMT -6
I don't personally agree with going out of our way to make everything easier. Both in sport and in general life. If you are able to make your program attractive to the best athletes in the school, things will get easier for you as a coach. For me, the question is,what happens to the average kids? Do those kids ever get a chance in a FTC program? If they're just coming out because it's easier, I don't want to deal with the extra baggage a kid like that's going to bring. Any ease to me by having "better" athletes is going to go away with the other crap they're going to bring. Just my .02. Plus, having been a HC track and football, they're WORLDS apart in discipline.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 13:24:58 GMT -6
Exactly. If you read Hollers statement on why he started it was to keep kids in track over the "easier" baseball. From his statement- My teams would be under-trained, but we would win because of our superior talent and our love of the sport. I don't think Holler's approach is inherently wrong. I don't personally agree with going out of our way to make everything easier. Both in sport and in general life.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 12:55:41 GMT -6
It seems as if about 50% of the most active posters here no longer coach- myself included. It seems as if a lot of the younger or at least newer members only come on here looking for college-NFL film and-or playbooks. Or to have someone back them up on some cockamammy idea or plan. And then leave when people say it's a stupid idea. ๐
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 12:29:15 GMT -6
It seems as if about 50% of the most active posters here no longer coach- myself included.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 12:22:46 GMT -6
"Developing" might be more appropriate word than "finding." Eh...I'm not so sure about that. The entire "Feed The Cats" approach is based on prioritizing recruitment over development.ย Exactly. If you read Hollers statement on why he started it was to keep kids in track over the "easier" baseball. From his statement- My teams would be under-trained, but we would win because of our superior talent and our love of the sport.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 10:07:05 GMT -6
I assume that for those states that played in the spring the incredibly short turnaround is at least some factor. I know it has me feeling worn the hell out. I'm with you, and betting the kids will be experiencing burn out this summer as well. Football/Soccer then Track/Baseball, ending with BB/Wrestling.....all jam packed into the back end of the school year while having to wear masks.ย We normally do some kind of summer camp but I'm guessing that doesn't happen for a number of reasons. We went the the state championship 2 seasons ago and went undefeated during this bazar season, that said, I bet we wouldn't have enough kids sign up to even make it worth while to go to a camp.ย It will be interesting to see how 7 on 7 plays out during the summer.ย My daughter played volleyball and soccer this year. The last 2 weeks of volleyball they also had soccer practice. She would often go to soccer for an hour to an hour and a half before going to volleyball for two. They're still playing soccer until potentially mid June depending on advancement and they're starting volleyball off season in a week. She isn't playing volleyball next year and none of us are real disappointed about it.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 2, 2021 10:04:28 GMT -6
We had a first year guy quit halfway through the 6 game spring season over parents and the AD. There's about double the jobs open in our area that there would be in a normal year. People are just tired of dealing with the BS. And I don't blame them in the least. Teachers? Places here in Central Illinois are having problems finding PE teachers. When I got my HC/SS job in 2010 there were a combined 60 applications. When I left in 2017 there were 6 for football and 4 for SS. And we went 42-28 in those years. My wife's school recently paid for her to go get her special ed certificate because they had no one apply for the position. Yeah I know that's why you quit, you got tired of the BS It's toward the top of the list.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 1, 2021 18:26:42 GMT -6
We had a first year guy quit halfway through the 6 game spring season over parents and the AD. There's about double the jobs open in our area that there would be in a normal year.
People are just tired of dealing with the BS. And I don't blame them in the least.
Teachers? Places here in Central Illinois are having problems finding PE teachers. When I got my HC/SS job in 2010 there were a combined 60 applications. When I left in 2017 there were 6 for football and 4 for SS. And we went 42-28 in those years. My wife's school recently paid for her to go get her special ed certificate because they had no one apply for the position.
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2021 17:08:48 GMT -6
It's like the guys who play a two-deep man under for every play of a 7 on 7 game. We do not run two deep man. We will play some man free because itโs what we actually run during the season. But also because I know me and the other defensive coaches can strategically stand in a spot where we can take away the same routes the extra safety would. Oh. So, you're THAT guy huh? ๐๐
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