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Post by bluedevil4 on Feb 18, 2024 9:08:46 GMT -6
I've seen tons of clips of Liberty Hill running this offense better than anyone. I've noticed two things though: - It seems like their 11 aren't even close to being set for a full second before the snap of the ball. Maybe 1/4 of a second at most. For anyone familiar, has this ever been addressed or clarified? Do the refs just default to "one moment?"
- Did anything ever come of this TD play where the ball was tackled, but the refs bit so hard on the fake, the ball carrier got up and "scored." (4:50 mark)
To the second bullet point: Was that ever addressed, or is this something they are still getting away with?
I'm not trying to belittle it honestly. These two points are just so bizarre that I was wondering what conversations or actions have been going on around them.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 18, 2024 11:19:44 GMT -6
I've seen tons of clips of Liberty Hill running this offense better than anyone. I've noticed two things though: - It seems like their 11 aren't even close to being set for a full second before the snap of the ball. Maybe 1/4 of a second at most. For anyone familiar, has this ever been addressed or clarified? Do the refs just default to "one moment?"
- Did anything ever come of this TD play where the ball was tackled, but the refs bit so hard on the fake, the ball carrier got up and "scored." (4:50 mark)
To the second bullet point: Was that ever addressed, or is this something they are still getting away with?
I'm not trying to belittle it honestly. These two points are just so bizarre that I was wondering what conversations or actions have been going on around them.
WOW!!! Everyone says I have a story for everything, but I have one for this. Ha Senior year, playoffs. Other team runs a fumble rooskie type play to the guard. He scores a TD. They bring it back for being an illegal play. The crazy part was when we watched it on video. We actually tackled the guy when he got the ball. Knocked him down trying to get to the guy we thought had the ball. The guard just got up and ran for a TD. Thank goodness they brought it back, but the refs had no idea he had been tackled. |
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Post by irishdog on Feb 18, 2024 11:45:47 GMT -6
I've seen tons of clips of Liberty Hill running this offense better than anyone. I've noticed two things though: - It seems like their 11 aren't even close to being set for a full second before the snap of the ball. Maybe 1/4 of a second at most. For anyone familiar, has this ever been addressed or clarified? Do the refs just default to "one moment?"
- Did anything ever come of this TD play where the ball was tackled, but the refs bit so hard on the fake, the ball carrier got up and "scored." (4:50 mark)
To the second bullet point: Was that ever addressed, or is this something they are still getting away with?
I'm not trying to belittle it honestly. These two points are just so bizarre that I was wondering what conversations or actions have been going on around them.
Appears to me there was a mishandled fake. Ball was on the ground (or laying on the guard). FB was knocked to the ground (good coaching by Hutto). FB seeing the ball grabbed it and took off. At that point officials would likely have considered it a fumbled ball behind the LOS thus allowing the TD. Nobody in the state that runs the Texas Slot-T runs it better than Liberty Hill. Their O Linemen have always been fast in getting their hands down, and the QB's precise with the snap. What happened on that play isn't something they plan, or get away with. It was just a fluke play that can happen in the game of football, and sometimes can happen more often with offenses that place an emphasis on misdirection. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 18, 2024 12:29:52 GMT -6
Appears to me there was a mishandled fake. Ball was on the ground (or laying on the guard). FB was knocked to the ground (good coaching by Hutto). FB seeing the ball grabbed it and took off...snip.... Nah coach, that isn't what happens at all. FB gets the ball on a trap. Gets stuffed and brought to the ground. Refs, presumably concerned about stopping a play are slow to blow a whistle, and apparently loose track of the ball. FB doesn't hear a whistle, stands up and runs for a touchdown after being tackled behind the line of scrimmage. |
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Post by bluedevil4 on Feb 18, 2024 13:27:52 GMT -6
I've seen tons of clips of Liberty Hill running this offense better than anyone. I've noticed two things though: - It seems like their 11 aren't even close to being set for a full second before the snap of the ball. Maybe 1/4 of a second at most. For anyone familiar, has this ever been addressed or clarified? Do the refs just default to "one moment?"
- Did anything ever come of this TD play where the ball was tackled, but the refs bit so hard on the fake, the ball carrier got up and "scored." (4:50 mark)
To the second bullet point: Was that ever addressed, or is this something they are still getting away with?
I'm not trying to belittle it honestly. These two points are just so bizarre that I was wondering what conversations or actions have been going on around them.
Appears to me there was a mishandled fake. Ball was on the ground (or laying on the guard). FB was knocked to the ground (good coaching by Hutto). FB seeing the ball grabbed it and took off. At that point officials would likely have considered it a fumbled ball behind the LOS thus allowing the TD. Nobody in the state that runs the Texas Slot-T runs it better than Liberty Hill. Their O Linemen have always been fast in getting their hands down, and the QB's precise with the snap. What happened on that play isn't something they plan, or get away with. It was just a fluke play that can happen in the game of football, and sometimes can happen more often with offenses that place an emphasis on misdirection. Ball never touches the ground. Play it back in 0.25 speed. The fullback's arms remain in the 2-arm hold the entire time. There's even a point where you see #28 (fullback's) back as he's going to ground, and you can see the nose of the ball. |
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Post by irishdog on Feb 18, 2024 16:44:22 GMT -6
Oh well, **it happens. It's football. DE jumps offside and gets back, no flag, play resumes and QB throws game winning TD. Wait, there IS a flag, in the offensive backfield. HB flinched on the DE jumping offside, play called back. Refs. They get most calls right, and some calls wrong.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 19, 2024 7:01:42 GMT -6
Officials usually let a play go if they think the players have stopped their momentum after a shift, even if it hasn't been for an actual second. That's what the rule was designed to do.
As for the touchdown, that's to make up for the ones they probably lose due to inadvertent whistle.
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Post by mnike23 on Feb 20, 2024 9:08:35 GMT -6
wow,
11 absolutely destroys the fb #28, gets up looks around for the ball as in whats going on, fb jumps up and takes off, no whistle. guess he was doing the right thing, shame on poor officiating for watching the "ball" but not really watching it.
nobody would win that argument with the white hat.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 20, 2024 9:51:34 GMT -6
I could see a high school official missing the FB in that play, given how fast those fakes hit. But, I've always wondered how Liberty Hill gets away with their quick huddle break and snap. That's certainly not by the books.
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Post by bobgoodman on Feb 20, 2024 12:34:37 GMT -6
I could see a high school official missing the FB in that play, given how fast those fakes hit. But, I've always wondered how Liberty Hill gets away with their quick huddle break and snap. That's certainly not by the books. You think they're the only team shading the 1-second requirement? I've seen clips of teams where it really looks like they get a rolling start. |
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 21, 2024 5:06:53 GMT -6
They're set. You can get a pretty much complete one one thousand count in before the ball's snapped.
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Post by mc140 on Feb 21, 2024 22:35:13 GMT -6
They're set. You can get a pretty much complete one one thousand count in before the ball's snapped.
Not even close. Maybe a half second if you are generous.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 21, 2024 22:47:21 GMT -6
I can't tell you how many times I've seen spread teams using motion snap the ball when the man in motion is going toward the LOS. Or how many times I've seen pass oriented offensive linemen literally tackle pass rushers and get away with it for most of the game. Or how often my DW fullbacks got their knees taken out by a defender lined up outside the free blocking zone when the FB is blocking on a Super Power. In each of those cases I always spoke with the officials prior to the start of the game to look for those infractions. Some crews paid attention, most crews didn't.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 21, 2024 22:59:53 GMT -6
Tell you one thing about the speed of the break/snap: this year the goal is for us to be even faster.
We're going to be f***ing obnoxious about it.
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Post by irishdog on Feb 22, 2024 8:47:37 GMT -6
Tell you one thing about the speed of the break/snap: this year the goal is for us to be even faster. We're going to be f***ing obnoxious about it. Good! You HAVE to be! I absolutely LOVED watching the LH Slot-T running on all cylinders. Attended and watched games for a number of years when I lived in Austin. Brings back fond memories of when I ran my Double Wing offense. Now that I'm retired, moved away from the blueberry, and live near Fort Worth I hope y'all might be playing someone up this way soon. |
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Post by Coach.A on Feb 22, 2024 11:07:56 GMT -6
The best program to ever do it really pushed the "set for 1 second" rule.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Feb 23, 2024 10:03:24 GMT -6
Tell you one thing about the speed of the break/snap: this year the goal is for us to be even faster. We're going to be f***ing obnoxious about it. My mind immediately went here: |
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 23, 2024 17:18:55 GMT -6
Tell you one thing about the speed of the break/snap: this year the goal is for us to be even faster. We're going to be f***ing obnoxious about it. Clarifying something: I don't coach for LH, although I've visited and those guys are great! Just someone with a similar kink. |
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Feb 27, 2024 1:54:11 GMT -6
The best program to ever do it really pushed the "set for 1 second" rule. DLS cadence is Down Set Hit But it is more like Down..... SetHIT The snap is on HIT but they move on Set When we coached against them, we had our DL go on Set haha In practice, the scout OL and DL were engaged before the ball was snapped constantly... It helped and neither team ever got called haha |
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 27, 2024 7:02:52 GMT -6
The best program to ever do it really pushed the "set for 1 second" rule. DLS cadence is Down Set Hit But it is more like Down..... SetHIT The snap is on HIT but they move on Set When we coached against them, we had our DL go on Set haha In practice, the scout OL and DL were engaged before the ball was snapped constantly... It helped and neither team ever got called haha There are multiple instances of players already being engaged before the snap in the Liberty Hill video too. I think it is a little bush league to be honest. |
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Post by irishdog on Feb 28, 2024 10:33:17 GMT -6
DLS cadence is Down Set Hit But it is more like Down..... SetHIT The snap is on HIT but they move on Set When we coached against them, we had our DL go on Set haha In practice, the scout OL and DL were engaged before the ball was snapped constantly... It helped and neither team ever got called haha There are multiple instances of players already being engaged before the snap in the Liberty Hill video too. I think it is a little bush league to be honest. I believe LH uses just a one word snap count. I think it's just a matter of those boys up front being coached to come off the ball on the first letter of the snap count. IMHO pretty impressive coaching that they can do that on just about every snap. |
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 18:18:12 GMT -6
DLS cadence is Down Set Hit But it is more like Down..... SetHIT The snap is on HIT but they move on Set When we coached against them, we had our DL go on Set haha In practice, the scout OL and DL were engaged before the ball was snapped constantly... It helped and neither team ever got called haha There are multiple instances of players already being engaged before the snap in the Liberty Hill video too. I think it is a little bush league to be honest. it is awesome push the boundaries and be different than all the cookie cutter stuff |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 4, 2024 18:55:55 GMT -6
There are multiple instances of players already being engaged before the snap in the Liberty Hill video too. I think it is a little bush league to be honest. it is awesome push the boundaries and be different than all the cookie cutter stuff It's cheating. The same as "pushing the boundaries" by sending offensive lineman downfield on RPOs because the officials in HS can't keep up with the 3 yard rule. |
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 21:02:11 GMT -6
it is awesome push the boundaries and be different than all the cookie cutter stuff It's cheating. The same as "pushing the boundaries" by sending offensive lineman downfield on RPOs because the officials in HS can't keep up with the 3 yard rule. yet that is cool and ok lol |
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Post by tripsclosed on Mar 4, 2024 21:11:09 GMT -6
it is awesome push the boundaries and be different than all the cookie cutter stuff It's cheating. The same as "pushing the boundaries" by sending offensive lineman downfield on RPOs because the officials in HS can't keep up with the 3 yard rule. Yup. And the same as telling your offensive linemen to be more aggressive holding and telling your DBs and WRs to be more aggressive on pass interference when you know you have a crew who will let em play... |
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Post by tog on Mar 4, 2024 21:53:43 GMT -6
It's cheating. The same as "pushing the boundaries" by sending offensive lineman downfield on RPOs because the officials in HS can't keep up with the 3 yard rule. And the same as telling your offensive linemen to be more aggressive holding and telling your DBs and WRs to be more aggressive on pass interference when you know you have a crew who will let em play... it's the same as hippo ol standing straight up holding on "rpos" |
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