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Post by edgewood5 on Mar 15, 2024 20:39:01 GMT -6
I am sure there is a thread on here somewhere; but I’m struggling finding it right now. How many of you still do 2-A-Days? How many completely switched and dropped it for a single 3 hour practice or other option? What forced your hand? Or why did you make the change. This is a topic I’m debating for the upcoming season.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Mar 15, 2024 20:51:23 GMT -6
We stopped double days around 10 years ago. We have spring ball (not padded) and a summer program (not padded) in our state, and got to the point where it felt like we didn't need that extra practice.
We used to start with 2.5 hour practices early in the season and cut time over the course of the season, but last year we never went longer than 2 hours and 5 minutes, even at the beginning of the year. Went about 1.5 hours a day by the playoffs
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 15, 2024 21:20:16 GMT -6
We quit doing 2 a days in 2011 or 2012. We would go about an hour and 45, give the kids 30 min break and do 45 mins of specials or lifting and be done. It all sort of depended on what gear we were allowed to wear that day. I really, really liked being done by 10 or 11 am. The kids did too.
There is no way I'd ever go back to the 7-9am and 5-7pm two a days if I were to ever coach again. I'd certainly not do what we did my Sr year of HS and go 730-930, 11-Noon and 4-6. That was horrible.
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Post by fantom on Mar 15, 2024 21:20:40 GMT -6
We did 2-a-days-8 AM and 5 PM- and we had reasons:
1. We didn't platoon. Everybody initially had two positions.
2. Distance wasn't an issue.
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Post by realdawg on Mar 16, 2024 4:36:28 GMT -6
We did them, but we couldnt do them back to back days, and one of them could not be longer than an hour, and could not have pads on. We used this hour mostly to install and go through special teams. This coming year, due to when teacher workdays start, we could only do 1 2 a day, and we have more time than normal before the 1st game. So, we arent doing them.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 16, 2024 5:22:35 GMT -6
I think they died out in my area when the return to school date for teachers/coaches got within a few days of the official first practice. Last year I believe students had already returned to classes on the official first day of practice (which was August 7th)
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 16, 2024 5:23:54 GMT -6
If your team is being trained Jan-Aug, do you really need 2-a-days?
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 16, 2024 6:28:10 GMT -6
We did 2-a-days-8 AM and 5 PM- and we had reasons: 1. We didn't platoon. Everybody initially had two positions. 2. Distance wasn't an issue. We never platooned either. |
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Post by blb on Mar 16, 2024 7:06:30 GMT -6
I tried doing the one long practice with break in the middle couple of times.
Didn't like it, always seemed like we weren't getting enough installed and enough reps at what we did. Something was always getting short-changed.
I can see where it would work, almost be necessary, in some situations though.
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Post by edgewood5 on Mar 16, 2024 10:21:02 GMT -6
We operated last year 8-10am practice one, 30 minute break, 30 minute of meeting / lift then went 11am-1pm. With relatively low numbers coming in the upcoming season I am thinking about condensing and doing one longer practice tack a lift on at the end and be done. What is the longest you guys have done these larger sessions 2.5 hours? 3 hours? Obviously some days can adjust just wandering what others have had success with.
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Post by freezeoption on Mar 16, 2024 10:47:21 GMT -6
Our state basically controls all this now. Two days count as one practice.
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Post by coachlit on Mar 17, 2024 8:06:57 GMT -6
We were getting our asses handed to us by schools with equivalent talent who didn’t do two a days or practice on Saturdays so we stopped doing them too.
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Post by blb on Mar 17, 2024 8:11:25 GMT -6
It sounds like coaches are doing a lot more in Off-Season and less In-Season.
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 17, 2024 8:39:40 GMT -6
It sounds like coaches are doing a lot more in Off-Season and less In-Season. Our offense was pretty much installed before the first "two a days" practice. Not that we did a lot of stuff over the summer. We only installed stuff at our two 3-4 day camps (2 hrs a night for maybe a total of 12 hours- 6 for offense, 6 for D) and on Monday nights for an hour in the offseason. We didn't have that big of a playbook. |
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Post by mc140 on Mar 17, 2024 10:52:37 GMT -6
2010 was last time we had any two-a-days. Besides their being rules in Illinois about practice time, teachers and or students always go back at some point the first week of practice in our district. This year teachers are back on the first official day of practice. Also, we spend 25 days in summer practicing, mostly in shells.
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Post by blb on Mar 17, 2024 11:23:46 GMT -6
2010 was last time we had any two-a-days. Besides their being rules in Illinois about practice time, teachers and or students always go back at some point the first week of practice in our district. This year teachers are back on the first official day of practice. Also, we spend 25 days in summer practicing, mostly in shells. Do you get paid for those 25 summer practices? If I had told my assistants we were going to do that I'd have been flying solo. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 17, 2024 12:05:46 GMT -6
2010 was last time we had any two-a-days. Besides their being rules in Illinois about practice time, teachers and or students always go back at some point the first week of practice in our district. This year teachers are back on the first official day of practice. Also, we spend 25 days in summer practicing, mostly in shells. Gosh- 25 days in shells is essentially six weeks of in-season practice |
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Post by center on Mar 17, 2024 13:54:11 GMT -6
Illinois recently allowed 11 on 11 with contact with other teams in the summer. A lot of teams have gone to joint practices. So a lot of Illinois schools are getting a lot done in the summer.
This will be the first year that Illinois will allow scrimmages with other teams the week before the first game.
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Post by mc140 on Mar 17, 2024 14:39:45 GMT -6
2010 was last time we had any two-a-days. Besides their being rules in Illinois about practice time, teachers and or students always go back at some point the first week of practice in our district. This year teachers are back on the first official day of practice. Also, we spend 25 days in summer practicing, mostly in shells. Gosh- 25 days in shells is essentially six weeks of in-season practice
If I quit coaching football, the summer will be the #1 reason.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 18, 2024 6:20:22 GMT -6
It sounds like coaches are doing a lot more in Off-Season and less In-Season. Our offense was pretty much installed before the first "two a days" practice. Not that we did a lot of stuff over the summer. We only installed stuff at our two 3-4 day camps (2 hrs a night for maybe a total of 12 hours- 6 for offense, 6 for D) and on Monday nights for an hour in the offseason. We didn't have that big of a playbook. It still seems like almost a week and a half of actual practice in the summertime correct? |
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Post by irishdog on Mar 18, 2024 7:46:42 GMT -6
In some states where I worked we were not allowed to have spring ball so we improvised the first week in August for install purposes. In other states where we had spring ball we used the spring for install, and in August used the acclimatization period (first 3 days) for our double session practices (AM conditioning circuit; PM football). The remaining 4 days we alternated double sessions (Th-1, F-2, S-1).
The second week we had in-service so we couldn't start practices until 3. Went an hour doing strength/film/chalk. 4:30 on the field M-Defense, T-Offense, W-Defense, Th-Offense, F-Defense, S-Double Session. Altogether we ended up having at least 17 practices before school started and our first scrimmage.
Third week we started our after-school schedule ending with our game scrimmage on Friday night.
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Post by MICoach on Mar 18, 2024 8:15:21 GMT -6
This seems to be contrary to the trend but we do still do two-a-days for the most part. We do not have spring ball in my state, though we do have a fair amount of 7-on-7 stuff for June/July, and are allowed I think 4-5 days of unpadded "Team Camp" in the summer.
A usual two-a-day looks something like...
- 8:00 - Meeting (logistics, film, etc.)
- 8:30-10:15 - Practice 1
- 10:15-10:45 - Lunch
- 10:45-11:00 - Meeting (install/film for second practice)
- 11:00-12:45 - Practice 2
- 1:00-1:30 - Weight room
This stays the same for the first week of practice. We will usually do team pictures, special teams practice, and small intra-squad scrimmage on the Saturday of the first week. The second week used to just be more of the same with a 4-way scrimmage on Wednesday but as of late teams have started doing "joint practices" aka two team scrimmages throughout that week so we might have a light practice in the morning one day and a scrimmage in the afternoon, or vice versa.
This works well for us...our district is pretty spaced out so having kids go home and then come back would create a lot of logistical issues. A previous school I worked at had a lot of non-educator coaches so we would do a similar schedule but not start until like 4:00 in the afternoon...it was weird but we made it work.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 18, 2024 8:29:00 GMT -6
We have 8 days of two-a-days before pre-planning. From 11-1 and then 3-5. Heat of the day. Middle School will do there 2 a days in the morning cuz they are soft.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Mar 18, 2024 8:59:39 GMT -6
Gosh- 25 days in shells is essentially six weeks of in-season practice
If I quit coaching football, the summer will be the #1 reason.
I had someone ask me about coaching again. Mon-Thur 6-11 + 7on7 and camps on the weekends. NOPE. |
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Post by irishdog on Mar 18, 2024 12:33:45 GMT -6
Me too. August start - two weeks. After school M-Th, F or S games - 6 man. While my heart says yes, my body and my head screams a BIG NO. My on the field coaching days are over, but I still get to stay in the game by analyzing Hudl video for a couple of my good friends.
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Post by mrjvi on Mar 18, 2024 13:51:13 GMT -6
I stopped 2 a days about 15 years ago. I went to the states 2 of my 4 times having 8-11 practices during the pre-season so it was definitely doable. We did install somewhat with a 4 day camp earlier in the summer. The former player and coach I'm doing weights and the line for now (I'm not a head any more-my choice) wants 8-12. Not terrible. I'll live with it and the kids can have the rest of the day.
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Post by bobgoodman on Mar 18, 2024 16:52:09 GMT -6
If I had freedom to conduct such things, I'd rather break at least pre-season into 2 sessions per day for two reasons:
1. Learning is better when it's separated into sessions with a time gap between them. I don't know if just a few hours is sufficient for that effect to be noticeable, but it's known to work when the interval between is a day or two.
2. When it's summer-hot, you lose concentration.
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Post by irishdog on Mar 18, 2024 17:19:58 GMT -6
If I was crazy enough to get back in I would NOT conduct on the field two-a-day practices. I would hold an early morning 2.5 hour on the field practice in the AM followed by an hour snack break, then film session/chalk/walk-through in the gym/weights in the afternoon. I would want to get my guys out of there before 2 pm. My install would be held in the spring (most states allow two weeks). If I was in a small school with a number of two-way players the install would be one week of offense and one week of defense.
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Post by bulldogsdc on Mar 19, 2024 6:53:25 GMT -6
If I had freedom to conduct such things, I'd rather break at least pre-season into 2 sessions per day for two reasons: 1. Learning is better when it's separated into sessions with a time gap between them. I don't know if just a few hours is sufficient for that effect to be noticeable, but it's known to work when the interval between is a day or two. 2. When it's summer-hot, you lose concentration. Robert, It's hot in the 4th quarter of a big game. Hot is where you learn to be a man. How can you teach and mold them to concentrate on crushing a 3 technique in December if they can't concentrate in a 2 a day in August??? |
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 19, 2024 11:00:08 GMT -6
We don't do true doubles any longer. We go 8-10:10:30ish with a 15 minute break, and then come back out and are done by noon. The kids love it, it's less exhausting for us as well. Second shorter session goes pretty quick and we are out before it's too hot.
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