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Post by dubber on Jul 19, 2018 12:00:50 GMT -6
Hanging out in the rules thread got me thinking about the future of the game.......
I have heard rumors that the way Federation does the Free Blocking Zone and all the different iterations of legal and illegal blocks, coupled with the lower number of officials (losing experience, etc.) that the Federation may make all forms of cut blocking illegal.
Before someone goes all "Cry-baby millennials ruining the game" on me, consider that the FBZ and it's rules make it really difficult to interpret what is and isn't legal (in real time), while also looking for holding, etc.
NCAA rules are much clearer......I would prefer to either adopt those, or get rid of cutting all together.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 12:11:51 GMT -6
I have started using cutting a bunch this for this upcoming season. Our kids seem to really grasp it.
Fed rules are easy in my opinion. 4 yards each way from the center. On the line. Have to cut immediately.
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Post by fantom on Jul 19, 2018 12:14:48 GMT -6
I have started using cutting a bunch this for this upcoming season. Our kids seem to really grasp it. Fed rules are easy in my opinion. 4 yards each way from the center. On the line. Have to cut immediately. Yeah, I don't see what's hard about them. |
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Post by dubber on Jul 19, 2018 12:30:10 GMT -6
I might be a little sensitive.
We have officials miss chops all the time and one year lost an all state DT because of it.
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 19, 2018 13:24:06 GMT -6
I have started using cutting a bunch this for this upcoming season. Our kids seem to really grasp it. Fed rules are easy in my opinion. 4 yards each way from the center. On the line. Have to cut immediately. Doesn't have to be immediately if the ball hasn't left the FBZ. Seems a lot of you take a shotgun snap for granted! Also, don't assume you have to make initial contact below the waist to cut an opponent down. Too bad you mostly have to look at old film to find players skilled at blocking cross-body at the waist, or at least starting at or even above the waist. |
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Post by bobgoodman on Jul 19, 2018 13:29:56 GMT -6
I have started using cutting a bunch this for this upcoming season. Our kids seem to really grasp it. Fed rules are easy in my opinion. 4 yards each way from the center. On the line. Have to cut immediately. Yeah, I don't see what's hard about them. What's hard is seeing the initial point of contact when you're screened by other players. None of the officials is guaranteed to have a good view. What you need is an Under Judge -- an official positioned under the line of scrimmage on a transparent field. |
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Post by CS on Jul 19, 2018 15:44:03 GMT -6
If you take cutting out you could pretty much say goodbye to the flexbone
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Post by macdiiddy on Jul 19, 2018 16:11:09 GMT -6
I would prefer the NCAA rules as well, but there has been rumbles and fears that the sport may go the complete opposite and even make getting into a stance illegal due to the initial contact and force being made.
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Post by spartan on Jul 19, 2018 17:35:48 GMT -6
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Post by silkyice on Jul 19, 2018 18:59:44 GMT -6
I have said this for years about high school. Cut on snap only inside the box. Easier to see and enforce and probably safer.
Does away with ball in box or not. Does away with under center or shotgun. Just simplier.
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Post by newt21 on Jul 20, 2018 7:40:09 GMT -6
I believe that if you get rid of cutting it makes the game unsafe, here's why. Let's say the other team has that D1 kid that nobody can block with 2 guys, let alone 1, and he keeps teeing off on your backfield. Pretty unsafe for those kids, especially when you can't do a thing to protect them without cutting. Having said that, cutting can be very safe if done and practiced correctly, I'm not talking about a clip or a chop (high-low). Im all for getting rid of the chops and clips (hitting low but from behind). A properly executed cut occurs at thigh level and is executed in front of the defender. A Properly executed a cut block IMO is safer than an open field tackle when the player flies in and dives at the ball carriers legs.
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Post by funkfriss on Jul 20, 2018 7:45:51 GMT -6
Have no problem with cutting and think it should be a part of the game. But like dubber said, we have seen too many chop blocks and they don’t get called. Ever. I think there is too much in the plate of a HS official already not to mention that e just got done with his 9 to 5 and really doesn’t put a whole lot of time and effort into his 9 week job of officiating. Don’t know the answer, but I know I don’t want all the chops we see continue. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 20, 2018 7:47:20 GMT -6
I have said this for years about high school. Cut on snap only inside the box. Easier to see and enforce and probably safer. Does away with ball in box or not. Does away with under center or shotgun. Just simplier. That "Shotgun" thing seems to vary state to state. In Virginia they specifically told us that it didn't matter. |
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Post by dubber on Jul 20, 2018 8:28:25 GMT -6
I have said this for years about high school. Cut on snap only inside the box. Easier to see and enforce and probably safer. Does away with ball in box or not. Does away with under center or shotgun. Just simplier. That "Shotgun" thing seems to vary state to state. In Virginia they specifically told us that it didn't matter. That is crazy imo...... |
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Post by blb on Jul 20, 2018 9:46:49 GMT -6
What do you mean by that?
Who is "blaming the kids," and for what?
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Post by RuningOutOfOptions on Jul 20, 2018 10:16:10 GMT -6
What do you mean by that?
Who is "blaming the kids," and for what?
its not the kids who are demanding rule changes for safety. Its not that kids are lazy, its not the video games. Or the potatoes chips and the couch.Kids are kids. Kids will survive. Its the adults who want to remove the terms child or kid from the equation to escape responsibility of being a parent. No different than saying your kids can't handle x,z, z scheme. No, you the adult cannot handle it. The adults are the ones putting the bubble wrap around the kids. It is not directed at you personally. If I come off as a smart donkey, I apologize, but isn't it us coaches who are promoting safety in the sport due to seeing how bad it can end up when we don't? If I believe that I am putting a player in a situation where I have not taught them how to be safe, I don't really care about what the player or parent would think, I would get the player out of that situation. When there are situation where it's not possible to teach them how to defend themselves (high-lows, facemask/horsecollar tackles, punter/kicker right after a kick, etc.) we try to keep them safe with rules instead. That is how I see the rule changes, but I am a bit blue eyed as well I'll admit. |
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Post by silkyice on Jul 20, 2018 13:57:11 GMT -6
If I come off as a smart donkey, I apologize, but isn't it us coaches who are promoting safety in the sport due to seeing how bad it can end up when we don't? If I believe that I am putting a player in a situation where I have not taught them how to be safe, I don't really care about what the player or parent would think, I would get the player out of that situation. When there are situation where it's not possible to teach them how to defend themselves (high-lows, facemask/horsecollar tackles, punter/kicker right after a kick, etc.) we try to keep them safe with rules instead. That is how I see the rule changes, but I am a bit blue eyed as well I'll admit. it my outlook on things. I understand that I come off as a bull in China shop. 1 of 2 things is true: 1. The game is fundamentally to dangerous. Fine. SHUT IT DOWN. Why bother with rule changes it is FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED GAME. OR 2.We ha've failed the kids by not being adults and enforcing the rules already on the books. And instead of enforcing rules on the books, lets just change the rules hoping the adults can actually be adults. If we are going to change the game as it is meant to be played? Where the adults on this board demanding we stop and right now? Say that blocking and tackling is to dangerous. Then resign from coaching. And in either case you are a coward. Not aimed at any one personally. ? ? ? |
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Post by funkfriss on Jul 21, 2018 21:34:21 GMT -6
What do you mean by that?
Who is "blaming the kids," and for what?
its not the kids who are demanding rule changes for safety. Its not that kids are lazy, its not the video games. Or the potatoes chips and the couch.Kids are kids. Kids will survive. Its the adults who want to remove the terms child or kid from the equation to escape responsibility of being a parent. No different than saying your kids can't handle x,z, z scheme. No, you the adult cannot handle it. The adults are the ones putting the bubble wrap around the kids. It is not directed at you personally. Frank Martin?? Is that you?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 6:05:55 GMT -6
its not the kids who are demanding rule changes for safety. Its not that kids are lazy, its not the video games. Or the potatoes chips and the couch.Kids are kids. Kids will survive. Its the adults who want to remove the terms child or kid from the equation to escape responsibility of being a parent. No different than saying your kids can't handle x,z, z scheme. No, you the adult cannot handle it. The adults are the ones putting the bubble wrap around the kids. It is not directed at you personally. Frank Martin?? Is that you?? so kids run the show? |
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Post by blb on Jul 22, 2018 6:47:27 GMT -6
Frank Martin?? Is that you?? so kids run the show?
Teachers are afraid of the administrators.
Administrators are afraid of the parents.
Parents are afraid of the kids.
Kids aren't afraid of anybody.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 7:26:47 GMT -6
Teachers are afraid of the administrators.
Administrators are afraid of the parents.
Parents are afraid of the kids.
Kids aren't afraid of anybody.
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Post by blb on Jul 22, 2018 7:37:05 GMT -6
Teachers are afraid of the administrators.
Administrators are afraid of the parents.
Parents are afraid of the kids.
Kids aren't afraid of anybody.
so its justified?
WHAT is justified?
@grad17 so many of your posts are garbled or incomplete thoughts it is hard to understand what your overarching point(s) are.
You remind me of Sam Kinison's character (Professor Terguson) in "Back to School" about whom Thornton Melon (Rodney Dangerfield) says, "Good teacher...really seems to care. About what I have no idea!"
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Post by blb on Jul 22, 2018 7:45:12 GMT -6
WHAT is justified?
@grad17 so many of your posts are garbled or incomplete thoughts it is hard to understand what your overarching point(s) are.
You remind me of Sam Kinison's character (Professor Terguson) in "Back to School" about whom Thornton Melon (Rodney Dangerfield) says, "Good teacher...really seems to care. About what I have no idea!"
You justified kids running the show.
I didn't JUSTIFY anything.
Stated a belief (or theory if you prefer) based on observation-experience about how things ARE in many situations.
That doesn't make those things RIGHT. Quite the contrary.
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Post by blb on Jul 22, 2018 7:51:18 GMT -6
I didn't JUSTIFY anything.
Stated a belief (or theory if you prefer) based on observation-experience about how things ARE in many situations.
That doesn't make those things RIGHT.
its called communication
Again, your thought is incomplete so as to be impossible to fully grasp - WHAT that is being discussed is "called communication"?
Somewhat ironic nevertheless.
You need to replace pronouns ("its") with more specific words-terms.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 22, 2018 9:24:30 GMT -6
I didn't JUSTIFY anything.
Stated a belief (or theory if you prefer) based on observation-experience about how things ARE in many situations.
That doesn't make those things RIGHT.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 22, 2018 11:01:32 GMT -6
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha @grad17 you are clearly the most talented troll to ever type on the huey boards. I think you even beat murdr 's run of talking about going homeless, and then saying that men's pens are important status symbols. You have to be a troll, because the alternative is just too terrifying. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 22, 2018 11:42:14 GMT -6
@grad17 you are clearly the most talented troll to ever type on the huey boards. I think you even beat murdr 's run of talking about going homeless, and then saying that men's pens are important status symbols. You have to be a troll, because the alternative is just too terrifying. I don't dare say what I think of you. I say with full confidence that if you did that here, most posters wouldn't understand what you were trying to say anyway (considering it seems in every thread you post, at least one if not more coaches comment that they can't understand what you are trying to say) Clearly you see that? Clearly you see how when numerous coaches state that they don't understand what you are saying because of the garbled English that it is terribly ironic and comical for you to post "it's called communication". You HAVE to see that. Clearly you see that it is amazingly ironic for you to comment about parents not recognizing their kids limitations when yours (regarding your posts on this site) have been so painstakingly demonstrated for you. You HAVE to see that. When someone asked you in a thread if you taught 3 points of contact (among other things) you said "yep!" Then when I pointed out that the game had changed and showed video of pre WWII football and mentioned 3pts of contact, YOU mistakenly rant about 3 point stances, and then ironically start talking about my lack of comprehension. You HAVE to see that. Should I go on? Why do you think ill of someone who is simply holding up a mirror and showing you what you are typing? Regarding the "inner circle" , what exactly is that supposed to mean? Is the inner circle the posters who make coherent and logical posts? Because that is all people are saying here man. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 22, 2018 11:54:35 GMT -6
I say with full confidence that if you did that here, most posters wouldn't understand what you were trying to say anyway (considering it seems in every thread you post, at least one if not more coaches comment that they can't understand what you are trying to say) like I said before, I dont Belong to the club or the inner circle of this message board. Congrats Clearly you see that? Clearly you see how when numerous coaches state that they don't understand what you are saying because of the garbled English that it is terribly ironic and comical for you to post "it's called communication". You HAVE to see that. Clearly you see that it is amazingly ironic for you to comment about parents not recognizing their kids limitations when yours (regarding your posts on this site) have been so painstakingly demonstrated for you. You HAVE to see that. When someone asked you in a thread if you taught 3 points of contact (among other things) you said "yep!" Then when I pointed out that the game had changed and showed video of pre WWII football and mentioned 3pts of contact, YOU mistakenly rant about 3 point stances, and then ironically start talking about my lack of comprehension. You HAVE to see that. Should I go on? Why do you think ill of someone who is simply holding up a mirror and showing you what you are typing? Regarding the "inner circle" , what exactly is that supposed to mean? Is the inner circle the posters who make coherent and logical posts? Because that is all people are saying here man. You come off like those parents you complain about man. The "I know my son is the best and nobody will change my mind" parents. NOTE-- reposted because you commented while I was editing. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 22, 2018 12:11:56 GMT -6
Clearly you see that? Clearly you see how when numerous coaches state that they don't understand what you are saying because of the garbled English that it is terribly ironic and comical for you to post "it's called communication". You HAVE to see that. Clearly you see that it is amazingly ironic for you to comment about parents not recognizing their kids limitations when yours (regarding your posts on this site) have been so painstakingly demonstrated for you. You HAVE to see that. When someone asked you in a thread if you taught 3 points of contact (among other things) you said "yep!" Then when I pointed out that the game had changed and showed video of pre WWII football and mentioned 3pts of contact, YOU mistakenly rant about 3 point stances, and then ironically start talking about my lack of comprehension. You HAVE to see that. Should I go on? Why do you think ill of someone who is simply holding up a mirror and showing you what you are typing? Regarding the "inner circle" , what exactly is that supposed to mean? Is the inner circle the posters who make coherent and logical posts? Because that is all people are saying here man. NOTE-- reposted because you commented while I was editing. I admit I am stupid, my typing sucks, and I admit there is chance I am totally wrong. You manipulate, lie, instigate and troll and you get away with it. You have carte Blanche, there are a hand full of you. You abuse the power given you. And 2nd place isn't close If it was just me? No biggie. You have done it to many people and you will do it to others. Must be nice. That is off my chest. What? Manipulate, lie, instigate, troll? Have Carte Blanche? Abuse power? (I have no power, I am not a moderator or admin). You really sound like a parent complaining about a coach. Goodness! |
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Post by coachklee on Jul 22, 2018 18:03:36 GMT -6
What? Manipulate, lie, instigate, troll? Have Carte Blanche? Abuse power? (I have no power, I am not a moderator or admin). You really sound like a parent complaining about a coach. Goodness! you are not a moderator, you do not have a title.. Ill stop there. Once again...  |
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