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Post by davecisar on Jun 17, 2009 8:04:53 GMT -6
Coach Orr,
Not sure, you can e-mail him. He's a very busy guy but he eventually answers.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 17, 2009 4:32:04 GMT -6
Coach Orr,
Thanks, the link to clips was at the bottom of the article. You can also just use the youtube search function and put in Jupiter Christian or Will Powers
Will is currently being recruited by one of the Academys if memory serves.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 16, 2009 18:19:00 GMT -6
Thanks, Great question I failed to ask, Ive only done 3 interviews so far, wont make that same mistake again, sorry.
They are very big on quick first 2 steps by their OL. Their O-line coach is Bills buddy and feared/respected/revered by entire staff. Their o-line play is considered the cornerstone of the team and "skilled" players are expected to chip in if the numbers dictate, and they arent starting, no matter their size. Their best 11 see the field no matter what.
They are huge on 100% effort for 4-5 seconds and swinging the o-linemens hips into the hole etc. watch the clips, pretty amazing how they play to the whistle on every snap, even the QB etc
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Post by davecisar on Jun 16, 2009 17:00:54 GMT -6
Fortunately for me, I got to see him/work with him on 3 different days and shared a restaurant meal 2 times with him. If Im a young coach, thats the type of guy you want to work for, knows his stuff, wastes zero of anyones time with zero fluff. Humble, but confident and helpful. Yes all their coaches demand perfection of what the kids can control, they dont compromise. OJW Your observations dont surprise me at all.m but I did see a number of fairly scrawny linemen and the QB looked like one of my 8th grade kids.
Their biggest "stud" is Powers son and hes just 5'7" and 185.
OJW Im sure your 100 student population deal is a real hurdle, not sure how you do it, must be a bear.
Remember Jupiter will play 3 4A teams this year and 1 5A team, all schools with 1500+ population. They did fine against those types last year, they expect to do the same this season as well. They blew out a 4A team in their Spring game.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 16, 2009 9:26:25 GMT -6
I did a Nike Clinc for Bill in Northern Virginia in 2006, he was a great guy, treated me very well.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 16, 2009 5:43:00 GMT -6
OJW,
They are manhandling 4A teams as well. Their O-line coach Tom Morton is pretty amazing guy. Remember they didnt have 40 kids when Bill showed up, they had 12 and the 12 he had had been beaten down pretty bad. He recruited the halls pretty hard. Got the lacrosse kids to play football and football players to play lacrosse. HE head coaches both. His QB is a pretty good hockey player etc
Once they had a little success that first year (10-2) they were able to add numbers.
Their Spring Game film is pretty amazing, manhandled a 4A team and WITHOUT, Will Powers, he was out after the first quarter with a high ankle sprain.
I think what Bill has done is as much about developing winners in the kids minds rather than a bunch of great Xs and Os. There is zero intimidation when those kids come out to play a bigger team. You dont se them get too excited when they win those, his kids fully expect to win every game. They feel they have too much invested for it to go any other way.
Then he works the heck out of them, unreal intensity and economy going on in everything they do. Seems like everything revolves around just a handfull of critical success factors. Like many at that classification, he has kids playing out of position to make it work. His kid played offensive tackle AND FB as a Soph, yep they had a #65 in the backfield on a number of snaps.
FYI I saw the all time record in this school for the 400, it was 53.1 In my HS we had at least 8 kids my senior year that ran 53.1, heck I probably could have still run 53.1 8-9 years ago. I did a double take, thought maybe it was the girls board LOL. They havent had a single DI kid come out of there since Bill has been around, not many teams looking for 185 lb linemen or 5'8" QBs etc. Hes started o-linemen under 150 etc, thats why his boy was playing tackle rather than FB.
He has several coaches that have been with him right up through Pop Warner, they are just as intense and committed as he is. They are all on one page, almost all of them are very successful business guys who arent used to losing at anything. HEck one believe it or not ( I know this guy pretty well) is a very successful Yaht Broker. Bill was a very successful stock broker and business owner etc who used a lot of processes to build up his kids the same way he used with his employees in the business he owned. In the end motivating people is motivating people and processing information is processing information, making good decisions are making good decisions, if you are good at it, you are good at it.
I dont think Ive ever seen a HS team that runs the FB trap better than JC. Watch the kids effort on those clips, every kid playing to the whistle. Spot on execution. HEck even the QB is getting out on every one of those "I" running plays and going hard to the whistle and that kid is a pretty descent passer and a runt to boot.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 15, 2009 19:09:41 GMT -6
I spoke at a Pop Warner coaches clinic last weekend in Jupiter Florida. Had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing Jupiter Christian Head Football coach Bil Powers. He took over a program that was on the verge of folding, having gone 2-17 the 2 years previous and getting outscored by over 600 points. Great guy, here is the interview/article-
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Post by davecisar on Jun 15, 2009 19:08:37 GMT -6
I spoke at a Pop Warner coaches clinic last weekend in Jupiter Florida. Had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing Jupiter Christian Head Football coach Bil Powers. He took over a program that was on the verge of folding, having gone 2-17 the 2 years previous and getting outscored by over 600 points. Great guy, here is the interview/article-
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Post by davecisar on Jun 10, 2009 18:02:39 GMT -6
When I ran my inner city team, we didnt charge the kids anything to play We had many stake holders that would have loved to have been able to see what we were up to.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 9, 2009 14:39:37 GMT -6
Not sure exactly how this will work out, but Ive got over 200 "tweets" on my account. twitter.com/davecisarSome of the High School guys are using it. Seems like many e-mail addesses are changing and a hassle to enter into your address book. This may even be a reasonable communication platform for relaying info to parents/players/stake holders.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 9, 2009 10:05:07 GMT -6
We will be in Seattle ( Issaquah) Washington on Saturday June 27th. Youth Topics: Practice Org-Player Evals Team Defense Offensive Line Single Wing Offense Game Management Character Development Installing the Wing T Offense ( Clark Wilkins)
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Post by davecisar on Jun 4, 2009 5:53:35 GMT -6
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Post by davecisar on Jun 1, 2009 19:50:26 GMT -6
Doug: Thank you! I never could see what the fuss was about Reed's clock management book. If you want to understand clock management, and don't mind exercising your brain, buy Homer Smith's book: tiny.cc/LMEm5Ted I was hoping this thread would bring out some coaches that have had some success with Reeds stuff over the long haul. Coach Mike Im not sure of hsi name, he goes by something like IHRose < I think his name is Casey Keaster or something like that is a coach from California who posts on the the main site here often. He has run the Reed system with good success and now is an assistant HS coach, He swears by it, you may want to ask him.
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Post by davecisar on May 31, 2009 5:19:35 GMT -6
Doug,
My bet is your team does much better than you think
Always disappointing when any kid leaves. Especially when your team and system has had so much success etc In youth football coaching trumps all but the most overwhelming talent disparities, which means you guys will be competitive. Who knows what Santa will drop in your stocking for new players.
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Post by davecisar on May 27, 2009 20:15:04 GMT -6
1. There's a hell of a lot more to coaching than they see or are aware of. There's more to it than standing on the sidelines on Fri. night. Talk about how many hours a year a coach spends coaching. My last year as an OC I kept up with it just out of curiosity, and I spent a little over 3,000 hours on coaching endeavors, not including work that I did at home. And that was in addition to the time I spent being a classroom teacher. I think that most hard-working dedicated coaches post similar numbers, and since I've become a HC those numbers have gone up. In comparison, if you work a 40 hour a week job and don't take any vacation, you will work 2,000 hours a year. So you may want to point out that the guy on the sideline probably worked 3 times longer over the course of the year than the guy watching him from his lazyboy. Coach. I know ZERO professional private sector people that work anywhere close to 2000 hours or less per year. Most of us work 2500-3000+ not including work we do at home.
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Post by davecisar on May 25, 2009 8:41:25 GMT -6
I'm heading into my second year as OC coming off a dissappointing season. I've read both Dave Cisar's and John T. Reeds materials which are both fantastic. Most likely going to use Daves program, seems to have a heck of a track record but Reed is very insightful and brutally honest. Just looking for some insight on Reed and differences between the two systems. Thanks Reeds info is very good However most youth coaches are visual and prefer to see what they are trying to learn via video as well as text, that's why we have videos and full season DVDs. Drawing up a play and talking about it vs: Drawing up a play and talking about it PLUS video install of each play, and game footage of that play being run in 8-10 different games with 3-4 different teams Detailed blocking rules, implemenntation etc Lots of very simple adjustments- and when to run them Mine has the full spin, half spin and detailed wedge series,and we pull, very detailed blocking etc Reeds materials are very good, but he does not believe in pulling or motion ( no full or half spin) and puts his weakest player as a wideout to make it a 10vs 10 game. Most Single Wing coaches, myself included see the beauty of the offense in the ability to snap to all 3 backs, Reed snaps to just 1. Most SW coaches like mysel utilize a blocking back and fullback both as well as a wing. In order to play and compete in competitive leagues IMHO you need more than 10-10 etc, we even use a Jet Series for our older kids with a couple of Spread concepts interweaved into a high percentage passing package. We have consistently averaged in the mid 30's without ever scoring more than 47 points. We have won numerous league titles, tournaments and state titles with it. Reeds teams won games with defense, special teams and practice organizations, they rarely averaged over 20 ppg and I dont think they eve won a league title etc. Great clock managmnt and youth ball insight, but not big offensive numbers etc We update most of it every year and are very current, having head coached 3 teams last season and 3 more this and 11 full seasons of coaching SW. The more you run it, with different teams different leagues etc IMHO the better you get at making it better. I apologize if this comes off as negative, not my intention, just pointing out the differences between the two very different systems. We also do about 25 public clinics and have answered as many as 40 e-mails from a single coach needing help/clarification etc
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Post by davecisar on May 24, 2009 17:18:41 GMT -6
Last year I had 2 kids go DI at Ohio with Frank Solich, Jon Lechner and James Davis, both O-linemen ( what I coach). Not sure how much we helped them but they both played 4-5 years with us and started weights with us etc
The best ones Ive ever coached will be Senior, Soph and 8th graders next year, time will tell. The Senior is the top recruit in the state, has offers from ND, NU etc
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Post by davecisar on May 21, 2009 3:25:47 GMT -6
If there are direct flights, sure YEs we have SW in Omaha, I dont think there are direct flights to Phoenix
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Post by davecisar on May 20, 2009 18:33:59 GMT -6
you need to come to hertford, north carolina and check out the youth dept. the team hasnt won a game in years, i know i have knowned them to win a game in 5 or 6 years. lots of youth injuries from bad coaches. the program was scraped by the league one year because it was so bad. no one that i know of has film of a game because they dont want to see the horror show again. no money, poor county and the good ole boy politics only has allowed freinds of friends coming in to coach and not someone that knows the game. how ballsy are ya? One thing they could try on their own:
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Post by davecisar on May 20, 2009 16:58:09 GMT -6
Very,
But I require direct flights from Omaha or Lincoln to make it work I doubt they fit.
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Post by davecisar on May 18, 2009 6:48:17 GMT -6
The Impact! series is a good book series to show to coaches. There are only 2 out right now with the 3rd coming out this summer I think. The first one is on the program as a whole and the 2nd one is on special teams. I think the next one is defense. The first book goes through practice planning, testing players, developing a staff and a number of other things. It is endorsed by some good youth coaches such as Cisar, Gregory (sp? the DW guy), and I think Ted Seay. I have both books though the 2nd one is harder to find. Another good book is The Simple Six. It is short and uses an offense as an example but guides you through developing your offense. I have not read the second and only small parts of the first Impact books.
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Post by davecisar on May 17, 2009 15:54:11 GMT -6
We have everyone run the same offense, defense and practice methodology Allows us coaches to help each other Allows me to move coaches around if numbers change Allows me to move players around if team numbers change (before rosters are set) Allows kids to feel more comfortable that they are being taught the same things, techniques, schemes and feel pretty proficient going into that first game every year Guarantees we wont have retention issues Guarantees kids will be taught fundamentally sound Allows me to practice all the teams together and have indy groups led by the BEST coach at that position for the entire org- assistants learn from him- allows me to leverage him accross entire org instead of 1 team. System has enough flexibility to allow for coached individual creativity- various series, adjustments allow them to play to their teams strengths and the coaches personality Fewer parent problems, kids having fun and team having success etc
Early on it was difficult to get everyone on board, but after we had the success we did and our numbers exploded, was not an issue. This year only 1 coach is new. Waiting list of kids wanting to play at 2 of the 3 age groups.
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Post by davecisar on May 17, 2009 15:36:00 GMT -6
Oh... this is a hot idea. However, the team that was poor last year, won't be the same team this year? Kids will move on... decide they might not want to play... some young studs may be in tow waiting... To truly effect a turn around... you need to find a historically bad team... a youth team that has been inept for say 3 to 4 years... Turn that around... and I'll personally write a testimonial to how this exercise was thought out and conducted, with no shananigans taking place. The only teams we have contacted so far have been inpet for many seasons including one org that had 6 teams total and won a combined 3 games last season and won something like 6 games combined the previous. We are specifically targeting non-select teams, no recruiting etc Obviously no horrific team will get all their players back, but there are many consistently poor performing orgs are out there, we have already contacted several. As to excuse making, if it were an export product, the US trade defecit would be a thing of the past just from the jealous rantings and CYAs of youth football coaches, I know and fully expect such sillyness. There are many youth coaches doing great things, but the ones that consistently do poorly are usually saddled with excuse makers. Of the 6-7 very nice e-mails Ive sent out requesting more information and volunteering my possible services at my own expense, Not ONE has been returned so far.
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Post by davecisar on May 14, 2009 19:19:23 GMT -6
I know a youth coach who on the opening day, big good looking kid with a mohawk shows up, paid fee etc. They do a warm up lap around the field, kid struggles. Tells coach, hes going to go get some "pickle juice" never to be seen or heard from again, no refund, nothing. First day, first movement.
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 17:34:10 GMT -6
Unfortunately many of the PW teams in Orlando do just what you mention as well as force weaker kids off their teams on purpose via nearly abusive conditioning ( starting out with 36 kids, ending up with 24 etc) so they dont have to worry about the minimum play rules. Ive never lost more than 1 player before our first game in the last 11 seasons, I find that practice very distasteful. I know of 1 team that made it to Orlando who had 2 teams in the same age division. One went 15-1 and had at least 12 O/L their other team went 0-9 and Im sure probably had 1-2 O/L. You figure out what they did, pretty obvious . BTW they played a team that split all 4 of their teams evenly via open draft- much different equation- not on equal ground at all. Especially when you have required MMP rules. Huge advantage to those teams that dont have a legit MMP player. Many do it right, but those smaller size squads LOADED with O/L kids are VERY suspect IMHO. Most independent leagues have gotten away from O/L rules due to abuse/stacking etc. You wont see O/L rules in the legit big Independent Tourneys (ones that have been around forever)
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 16:37:08 GMT -6
OU OTOH last season vs NU when up big: ran the ball nearly every down.
Quite often NU went from running the option when up big to running just a succession of off-tackle tosses.
I dont blame teams when up 42-6 who are running their offenses in so the backups can get a look.
When up by 60-70 it may be a bit much IMHO, get the game over and let's go home.
BTW the opposition has to cooperate. If down by 60 and throwing every down, 3 and out in 90 seconds isnt helping the game. BTW in the NU -OU game they were both running it every down in the 4th, both teams "got it".
It is what it is.
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 16:22:48 GMT -6
if running up the score is bad does it matter with if it is 2,3 or 4th stringers regardless if you are a run or pass team? I say there is not such thing as running up the score to be honest. It is a failure of the other team to stop the team who is scoring. Running up the score is a combination of playcalling and personell. If you are playing your 4th team guys like NU did in its heyday often playing 105+ players at many/most home games back then, no it's not running it up.
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 14:45:13 GMT -6
OU did NOT run up the score in the games I watched. They had Nebraska 28-0 in the first quarter and did nothing but run the ball most of the 3rd and 4th quarter. In 4th quarter they in fact ran just 2 different running plays etc
WHen NU was scoring all those points, they did it a lot with 2nd, 3rd, 4th teamers It isnt always what you run it's when and with which players.
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 6:11:34 GMT -6
nah coach if we do it there, think of the kids you are helping
We invite the competition to our coaches clinics. Makes you a better team.
I dont expect to take anyone from worst to first, but from dismal to competitive and having fun again. If the byproduct is they win em all, thats ok too, but doubtful. We shall see.
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 6:05:34 GMT -6
Very few of them have older/lighter rules- Most of these guys understand the sham of loading teams with older/lighter kids, that's why they are independent to start with in most cases. ( Ive seen PW rosters with 18 older/lighter kids on one team)
Pop Warner and AYF have their own
The majority of the others are for the Independent leagues Some have max weight-age but no older/lighter Many are unlimited weight with ball carrier weights only Ive seen them as low as 80 lbs
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