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Post by davecisar on Jun 15, 2009 19:09:41 GMT -6
I spoke at a Pop Warner coaches clinic last weekend in Jupiter Florida. Had the pleasure of meeting and interviewing Jupiter Christian Head Football coach Bil Powers. He took over a program that was on the verge of folding, having gone 2-17 the 2 years previous and getting outscored by over 600 points. Great guy, here is the interview/article-
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 15, 2009 20:54:53 GMT -6
Dave, Thanks for posting, appreciate all the help you've given me. Just read the article this afternoon. As a Florida guy, and in the same classification as these guys, I certainly know of Jupiter Christian by reputation. What do you feel is Jupiter's real advantage? I saw them physically manhandle a pretty good 1B team in the state championship. Their runningback made good choices, but so do alot of other people's backs. They have some pretty good looking kids, but so do alot of other people. The article states that they spend alot of time simplifying and running base plays, well so do alot of other people. Just wondering, since you were there with the guys, what is your take on their success? You have to admire their work and success though. Some guys can just coach. Looking at their team picture, they look like solid kids and 40 players is a lot of players for 1B. But they don't look like monsters, they just play that way. It's like an old saying, "A good coach can get a kid to run through a brick wall without a helmet, a great coach can get him to do it more than one time." Thanks, OJW
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Post by davecisar on Jun 16, 2009 5:43:00 GMT -6
OJW,
They are manhandling 4A teams as well. Their O-line coach Tom Morton is pretty amazing guy. Remember they didnt have 40 kids when Bill showed up, they had 12 and the 12 he had had been beaten down pretty bad. He recruited the halls pretty hard. Got the lacrosse kids to play football and football players to play lacrosse. HE head coaches both. His QB is a pretty good hockey player etc
Once they had a little success that first year (10-2) they were able to add numbers.
Their Spring Game film is pretty amazing, manhandled a 4A team and WITHOUT, Will Powers, he was out after the first quarter with a high ankle sprain.
I think what Bill has done is as much about developing winners in the kids minds rather than a bunch of great Xs and Os. There is zero intimidation when those kids come out to play a bigger team. You dont se them get too excited when they win those, his kids fully expect to win every game. They feel they have too much invested for it to go any other way.
Then he works the heck out of them, unreal intensity and economy going on in everything they do. Seems like everything revolves around just a handfull of critical success factors. Like many at that classification, he has kids playing out of position to make it work. His kid played offensive tackle AND FB as a Soph, yep they had a #65 in the backfield on a number of snaps.
FYI I saw the all time record in this school for the 400, it was 53.1 In my HS we had at least 8 kids my senior year that ran 53.1, heck I probably could have still run 53.1 8-9 years ago. I did a double take, thought maybe it was the girls board LOL. They havent had a single DI kid come out of there since Bill has been around, not many teams looking for 185 lb linemen or 5'8" QBs etc. Hes started o-linemen under 150 etc, thats why his boy was playing tackle rather than FB.
He has several coaches that have been with him right up through Pop Warner, they are just as intense and committed as he is. They are all on one page, almost all of them are very successful business guys who arent used to losing at anything. HEck one believe it or not ( I know this guy pretty well) is a very successful Yaht Broker. Bill was a very successful stock broker and business owner etc who used a lot of processes to build up his kids the same way he used with his employees in the business he owned. In the end motivating people is motivating people and processing information is processing information, making good decisions are making good decisions, if you are good at it, you are good at it.
I dont think Ive ever seen a HS team that runs the FB trap better than JC. Watch the kids effort on those clips, every kid playing to the whistle. Spot on execution. HEck even the QB is getting out on every one of those "I" running plays and going hard to the whistle and that kid is a pretty descent passer and a runt to boot.
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Post by coach4life on Jun 16, 2009 9:44:40 GMT -6
OJW, Got the lacrosse kids to play football and football players to play lacrosse. HE head coaches both. His QB is a pretty good hockey player etc Lacrosse is an awesome sport for football players, it will improve their footwork and conditioning tremendously.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 16, 2009 15:10:28 GMT -6
Thanks Dave, It says alot about Coach Powers' "power" to get kids to do things. The same can be said about the future "hall of fame" Coach Corky Rodgers from Bolles in Jacksonville-guy can just flat out coach. It also says alot about 1B, none of us have very many D1 kids on the roster, it's small school football. But these guys at Jupiter Christian beat much higher classification teams. But, these teams they are beating probably don't have any D-1 kids on their teams either. In the state championship game, Jupiter Christian looked like a micro NFL team. It was strange, and I'm not explaining myself very well. But they ran their plays their players had college/NFL type movements. Still can't explain what I mean, it was just the way they did executed their blocks, their stances, the plays themselves-they didn't look mismatched in size of linemen, their stances were perfect...stuff like that. The fact that Coach Power went 10-2 his first year says alot more to me than where they are now. But as they all say..."1B is still 1B" but these guys are playing ball like a decent 4A team. My kids are 1B, we look like a 1B team-mismatched linemen, a couple at 300 a couple at 150LB, Backs that are too short, or too tall, stuff like that. Jupiter doesn't look like that. Also, they are fairly large 1B at 200 kids. I have 100 kids in the whole school. Also at this level, coaching goes a long long way, but also just a just little bit of real talent. OJW
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 16, 2009 15:36:01 GMT -6
Just seems like a guy that if I were in Florida on vacation I would rent a car and make it a point to go visit with for a while.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 16, 2009 17:00:54 GMT -6
Fortunately for me, I got to see him/work with him on 3 different days and shared a restaurant meal 2 times with him. If Im a young coach, thats the type of guy you want to work for, knows his stuff, wastes zero of anyones time with zero fluff. Humble, but confident and helpful. Yes all their coaches demand perfection of what the kids can control, they dont compromise. OJW Your observations dont surprise me at all.m but I did see a number of fairly scrawny linemen and the QB looked like one of my 8th grade kids.
Their biggest "stud" is Powers son and hes just 5'7" and 185.
OJW Im sure your 100 student population deal is a real hurdle, not sure how you do it, must be a bear.
Remember Jupiter will play 3 4A teams this year and 1 5A team, all schools with 1500+ population. They did fine against those types last year, they expect to do the same this season as well. They blew out a 4A team in their Spring game.
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Post by coachorr on Jun 16, 2009 17:18:25 GMT -6
Here is an off the wall question, but one I constantly have in my mind. Do they teach "shoulder skills" for offensive line play or hands? Great article by the way.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 16, 2009 18:19:00 GMT -6
Thanks, Great question I failed to ask, Ive only done 3 interviews so far, wont make that same mistake again, sorry.
They are very big on quick first 2 steps by their OL. Their O-line coach is Bills buddy and feared/respected/revered by entire staff. Their o-line play is considered the cornerstone of the team and "skilled" players are expected to chip in if the numbers dictate, and they arent starting, no matter their size. Their best 11 see the field no matter what.
They are huge on 100% effort for 4-5 seconds and swinging the o-linemens hips into the hole etc. watch the clips, pretty amazing how they play to the whistle on every snap, even the QB etc
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Post by coachorr on Jun 16, 2009 22:52:03 GMT -6
You better not forget next time!
Seriously, wonderful article thanks for sharing. I will look for video clips, I didn't see any. Thanks for sharing Dave!
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Post by davecisar on Jun 17, 2009 4:32:04 GMT -6
Coach Orr,
Thanks, the link to clips was at the bottom of the article. You can also just use the youtube search function and put in Jupiter Christian or Will Powers
Will is currently being recruited by one of the Academys if memory serves.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Jun 17, 2009 6:55:09 GMT -6
Watched Youtube clips. Like most every good team, their line play on both sides is superior. I also noticed how poor the fundementals of so many teams are. (certainly don't want to put my team on video that's for sure). Also, their linemen were pretty large people in relation to who they played. Also, seeing that many kids on the sidelines is unusual for 1B. Vs. the larger classification schools, Jupiter Christian's linemen are just as large and much better. It's all about the line. If anybody's Guard can grab a 2i tech, stand him up, and drive him back out of the hole...I don't care who you are playing, you are going to win. You were right Dave, they run the trap really well. So there we are again, with the line. For 1B though, they've got some good looking kids-another reason they've won back to back state championships. No they are not a great 2A-6A team, but they are not supposed to be that. They are terrors in 1B and can and do beat average and poor 4A teams. Pretty good stuff. Makes me wonder what Coach Powers could do with a larger classification. OJW
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Post by coachorr on Jun 17, 2009 7:41:20 GMT -6
Sorry, I got distracted reading the other articles. Does Epley in the other article, currently have his 12 week summer workout completed so one might look at it?
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Post by davecisar on Jun 17, 2009 8:04:53 GMT -6
Coach Orr,
Not sure, you can e-mail him. He's a very busy guy but he eventually answers.
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Post by coachorr on Jun 17, 2009 10:35:24 GMT -6
Cool, they teach hands.
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Post by acard78 on Jun 17, 2009 13:18:30 GMT -6
Here is an off the wall question, but one I constantly have in my mind. Do they teach "shoulder skills" for offensive line play or hands? Great article by the way. would love to hear what they use, as a small school oline coach we use shoulders with some success and have been wondering if we can transition to blocking with our hands... any help finding this answer would be greatly appreciated.. its always nice to see a small school beating up on the big boys ;D
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Post by coachorr on Jun 18, 2009 9:26:49 GMT -6
I used to teach shoulders, but changed some years ago; however, I still teach shoulder skills for Gap, Trap and Down blocks. Also, if you are a running team who is gap scheme, I like the idea of shoulder skills if linemen's butts are in the air and they are firing off the ball and there is some misdirection going on in the backfield.
A friend of mine who used to coach in Kansas and Nebraska once told me that the new techniques being taught of hands is not generally applicable to most high school kids, because you are not able to recruit kids nor are kids fully developed in their upper bodies (for the most part) to manhandle a guy consitently and get movement.
He ran a inverted bone (hambone, diamond), which was predicated on the inside trap, sweep and counter. It seemed to me to have all the benefits of a good offense: misdirection, bringing guys in close in a double tight set, (I think good offenses bring em in tight or spread em out), being able to outflank teams, run the option, good play action and of course as seen in the you tube clip being able to run down hill at a defense with a lead back(one big lacking quality in the Wing-T)
He was big on trap angles, shoulder skills, firing off the ball with butt in the air and initial movement of the dline.
Sorry to hijack your thread Dave.
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Post by acard78 on Jun 18, 2009 9:43:28 GMT -6
thanks for the info and sorry for the hijack
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Post by davecisar on Jun 18, 2009 9:57:33 GMT -6
No prob, good stuff, no agenda etc
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jun 18, 2009 10:34:25 GMT -6
Watched Youtube clips. Like most every good team, their line play on both sides is superior. I also noticed how poor the fundementals of so many teams are. (certainly don't want to put my team on video that's for sure). Also, their linemen were pretty large people in relation to who they played. Also, seeing that many kids on the sidelines is unusual for 1B. Vs. the larger classification schools, Jupiter Christian's linemen are just as large and much better. It's all about the line. If anybody's Guard can grab a 2i tech, stand him up, and drive him back out of the hole...I don't care who you are playing, you are going to win. You were right Dave, they run the trap really well. So there we are again, with the line. For 1B though, they've got some good looking kids-another reason they've won back to back state championships. No they are not a great 2A-6A team, but they are not supposed to be that. They are terrors in 1B and can and do beat average and poor 4A teams. Pretty good stuff. Makes me wonder what Coach Powers could do with a larger classification. OJW not only is their line play good but the backs run hard , block hard and the backs can make folks miss.
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Post by davecisar on Jun 18, 2009 12:21:43 GMT -6
QB is a nice blocker for a kid that passes so well (not a DW offense QB)
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Post by gunrun on Jun 18, 2009 13:27:50 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing--like the website.
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Post by tedseay on Jun 22, 2009 1:04:09 GMT -6
I used to teach shoulders, but changed some years ago; however, I still teach shoulder skills for Gap, Trap and Down blocks. Big +1 to that -- I think the whole debate is based on a false dichotomy. I don't see how you can trap block with hands only any more than you can pass block with shoulders only... ...and of course, blocking begins with the feet... ;D ;D
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Post by davecisar on Jun 22, 2009 5:33:07 GMT -6
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Post by coachorr on Jun 22, 2009 9:22:45 GMT -6
...and of course, blocking begins with the feet... ;D ;D O boy, then I am screwed, because I have some real clumsy feet.
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Post by coachorr on Jun 22, 2009 9:28:14 GMT -6
On this dichotomy, I am about to come full circle in our inside zone schem and teach "flipper" on our inside zone game. For example: if it is zone right and I am the right guard with a 1 tech, I am going to take a six inch lateral step to my right "stretch step" and then a gather step with my left into the defender. As I step into the defender with my left I am going to bring my left flipper into the defender, simultaneously with my left foot gather step.
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