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Post by charger109 on May 13, 2009 12:51:31 GMT -6
Oklahoma's Offense is considered "the best offense ever" by points. They ran the score up every night until they ran into the jaws of the Gators...... My question is, with the History of the Run and Shoot and how it has been blasted in the past for running up the score, way were people not getting on Oklahoma for it this year? IMO, I don't think there is anything such as "running up the score". They may do it to you, if you don't do it to them. Hawaii, who is now second all time(I think) since Oklahoma took over this past year. Now, Hawaii in 07 could have VERY easily score more points in a season than Oklahoma did, if they would not have taken their starters out of the game by half time or the end of the third quarter. They could have ran it up all night. It is like Coach Jenkins with the Run and Shoot and how he was bashed for scoring "over the limit  ". I am not getting into him as a person and all that past trouble. I am talking about scoring points. It just seems to me, since reading more and more history and facts about the Run and Shoot, that others coaches just hate the offense, but it's OK to run up the score as long as it is any offense but the Run and Shoot. I really don't think teams should always be judged based on quality of the teams they face. They have to play who they have to play. Last, Oklahoma gave up a lot of points also. They would win games by scores of 63 to 40. But yet,..... the Offense is praised, while the "Run and Shoot scores too fast that the defense can't stay off the field". What is up with this Haterade? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 14:02:48 GMT -6
The Houston R and S was before my time, but if I'm correct it wasn't really the offense blasted for running up the score, it was the coach.
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Post by airman on May 13, 2009 14:25:55 GMT -6
one has to take into consideration the time period. there was a huge antipass mentality in college football during the time period which the run and shoot popular. BYU also suffered during this anti pass mentaility period as did the old ball coach at florida.
times have changed. throwing the ball is now considered acceptable in the mind of most coaches at the college level. college football has learned you can run and pass by spreading defenders out.
running up the score is acceptable as long as you do it the proper way in most minds. it was okay for the university of nebraska or oklahoma to run up the score by running the ball on teams like missour, k state, kansas and iowa state. some how running up the score by running the ball is deemed acceptable in this time period and today at the high school level.
I loved the houston run and shoot. they took no prisioners. I have film on those guy and it is a treat to watch.
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 14:45:13 GMT -6
OU did NOT run up the score in the games I watched. They had Nebraska 28-0 in the first quarter and did nothing but run the ball most of the 3rd and 4th quarter. In 4th quarter they in fact ran just 2 different running plays etc
WHen NU was scoring all those points, they did it a lot with 2nd, 3rd, 4th teamers
It isnt always what you run it's when and with which players.
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Post by airman on May 13, 2009 14:55:33 GMT -6
if running up the score is bad does it matter with if it is 2,3 or 4th stringers regardless if you are a run or pass team?
I say there is not such thing as running up the score to be honest. It is a failure of the other team to stop the team who is scoring.
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Post by coachks on May 13, 2009 15:39:44 GMT -6
"If you don't want us to run up the score, don't suck"
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 16:22:48 GMT -6
if running up the score is bad does it matter with if it is 2,3 or 4th stringers regardless if you are a run or pass team? I say there is not such thing as running up the score to be honest. It is a failure of the other team to stop the team who is scoring. Running up the score is a combination of playcalling and personell. If you are playing your 4th team guys like NU did in its heyday often playing 105+ players at many/most home games back then, no it's not running it up. |
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Post by airman on May 13, 2009 16:29:46 GMT -6
I would agree with you Dave on Nebraska playing 4th stringers and scoring.
Steve Spurrier did the same thing at Florida and was condemned.
he would have his 3rd or 4th team skill players in the game and still be throwing the ball and scoring on teams.
the anti pass mentality of college football coaches at the time was who cried over this.
nebraska did the same thing florida would do only they would run the ball.
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 16:37:08 GMT -6
OU OTOH last season vs NU when up big: ran the ball nearly every down.
Quite often NU went from running the option when up big to running just a succession of off-tackle tosses.
I dont blame teams when up 42-6 who are running their offenses in so the backups can get a look.
When up by 60-70 it may be a bit much IMHO, get the game over and let's go home.
BTW the opposition has to cooperate. If down by 60 and throwing every down, 3 and out in 90 seconds isnt helping the game. BTW in the NU -OU game they were both running it every down in the 4th, both teams "got it".
It is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 18:48:13 GMT -6
running up the score.
wise guy said awhile back, "its not my job to stop my offense, thats the defense's job"
hate to say it, but its true. if I run the offense and keep scoring, what I am supposed to do? tell my kids to down it 3x and punt? its the third qtr, were up 50. what is that teaching the kids? at some point they will get complacent when up 20 and lose a game because they took their foot off the pedal.
just an opnion.
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Post by lnueva32 on May 13, 2009 21:10:43 GMT -6
We've been accused of running up the score in the past but we have always replied with "if you can't stop our 3rd & 4th string players, then you get better coaches."
You can tell a good coach with superior talent compared to a jerk who's showing off.
Just my two cents.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 14, 2009 6:20:40 GMT -6
There is a big difference in major college football nowadays. teams need to score style points. If you want a shot at the national championship and a few extra million bucks you do what you have to do. Everyone is a big boy now and understands what is at stake.
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Post by charger109 on May 14, 2009 13:44:21 GMT -6
"If you don't want us to run up the score, don't suck" hahaha! That may be the best one I have been told! hahaha! good one coachks. I like it. |
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Post by phantom on May 14, 2009 15:24:22 GMT -6
The thing about running up the score is make sure that you're a big boy and can handle it when it happens to you. If you're in this business long enough it WILL happen to you, I don't care how good you are.
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Post by steadymobbin on May 14, 2009 16:19:32 GMT -6
Last weekend IDcoached my 13U middleschool arena 8 man league team to a 90-0 game.Bad you say?........No way! I sub every series.after 1st series, tb goes to fb: fb goes to tb.x goes out ,y goes out. in comes new set.
WE RUN THE BALL!!!!AND WHEN I"M TIRED OF RUNNING THE BALL WE RUN IT SOME MORE!!
I have 3 plays that I run.1off guard-1fb dive-1 te fly. The off guard play 99%, fb dive 0.75%,and pass 0.25% . The kicker is we have 14 formations and dont huddle.
I have 3 sets of backs that I use. 4 linemen scored 6 times between them all.
The 1 time I do pass, people get all bent out of shape.
The refs do a good job, it was 60-0 at halftime, and they ran the clock during halftime.PLUS! they stopped the game with 8 minutes to go. i dont feel bad because there are 2 divisions and you chose the wrong one.pride put them there.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 14, 2009 17:50:17 GMT -6
The thing about running up the score is make sure that you're a big boy and can handle it when it happens to you. If you're in this business long enough it WILL happen to you, I don't care how good you are. You know what's worse than having a team score 50.... Taking a knee on the one yard line at the end of the game..THAT pissses me off One of you guys out there has a tag line by Switzer saying.. they accused me of running up the score because we were passing..we were passing to HOLD DOWN THE SCORE LOL |
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Post by charger109 on May 14, 2009 17:54:32 GMT -6
The thing about running up the score is make sure that you're a big boy and can handle it when it happens to you. If you're in this business long enough it WILL happen to you, I don't care how good you are. I agree with you 100% phantom...... Do unto others as you would have them do unto you  No, but really. I agree with you. You have to be competitive all the way through the game. |
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Post by coachdubyah on May 18, 2009 16:31:31 GMT -6
I am not into charity work. In this day and age, that's life. In my first year we were playing against a "BAD" team. When we scored our first TD our Special Teams Coord. went for 2. Head Coach was P!SSED!!! Long story short we won the game by 9. We played like crap the rest of the game. Turnovers, dropped passes, you name it; it happened. That 2 point conversion that my buddy got chewed out for calling dang near won us the game. As crazy as this game is today, you never take your foot off the accelerator. Run your system, whether you are Veer, RNS, West Coast, or whatever. You play to win and call plays to score. There is not a play in our playbook that we just call to not score. Now if your up by 40 in the 3rd or 4th, that's another story.
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Post by nexthc on May 19, 2009 8:55:29 GMT -6
Offensive coaches are paided to score, defensive coaches are paided to stop the offense from scoring. It is not the offensive coaches fault that the defensive coaches can not stop the offense from scoring.
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". I am not getting into him as a person and all that past trouble. I am talking about scoring points.
