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Post by davecisar on May 5, 2009 16:01:50 GMT -6
Im looking for the worst youth football team in the US
I want to be their head coach in 2010
This is for the 2010 season, but Im going to select in November of 2009 based on:
Need Willingness to change and give me 100% control of the football team Reasonable but not great facilties and equipment Ability to start practice by August 1 at latest
I will be looking at 2009 game film to verify how bad they are and of course have conversations with the board and an agreement in writing etc
They can e-mail me at dacisar@aol.com
If it is a locale that is real tough or extremely expensive to get to, it probably won't make the cut, so no Alaska, Maine or Seattle teams need apply.
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Post by coachdoug on May 5, 2009 16:13:50 GMT -6
Interesting project, Dave. I wish you the best of luck with this endeavor. What is going to happen to the teams you're coaching now in 2010? Will they all have moved on to HS by then? I wouldn't think you'd be able to coach your existing teams in addition to taking on a major project out of your area. Of course, you routinely do things that I wouldn't think anyone would be able to do. LOL.
BTW, you might want to mention if there are other criteria that you will be looking for, such as age, select vs. non-select, national affiliation of league (PW, AYF, Jr AA, etc.), weight limit rules, other special rules, etc. Letting people know what type of situation you're looking for might help you find the best possible candidates a lot faster.
Good luck - I'll be anxious to see how this unfolds.
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Post by mahonz on May 5, 2009 16:21:24 GMT -6
Dave
If you buy a helicopter you can get back and forth from Denver in no time. We have some really bad teams in our league. You could fire up the music just like Duval did in Apocalypse Now...as you fly in for practice and the games.
Coach Mike
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Post by davecisar on May 5, 2009 16:26:57 GMT -6
Doug,
Ive been preparing for this for 2 years with my existing teams They would still run my system, but not by me, but my assistants
Thanks good idea, non-selects, the largest group out there, age 7 and up. When you are select, you have to be there and recruit, Im not doing that.
Mike,
Denver would be great, good flights, my preference.
Let any of them know to start getting ahold of me now.
My preference would be to see a game this season.
I get queasy very easily, so no helicopters thanks. I can barely tolerate planes and cars LOL>
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Post by morris on May 5, 2009 17:22:33 GMT -6
What type of radius are you talking about? Our whole youth program needs an overall.
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Post by davecisar on May 5, 2009 19:06:47 GMT -6
Nationwide
Must be worst team in league not, 3-7 etc with good airport nearby
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Post by morris on May 5, 2009 19:42:28 GMT -6
Had one this past year that did not win a game and the teams they played were not the most talented. Cincy's airport is 30 mins or so.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2009 19:45:39 GMT -6
Ballsy move dude...
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Post by catz1 on May 6, 2009 17:44:24 GMT -6
Love the idea... I think you will shock some folks with how much improvement occurs.
Hope you get some film from this year... can't wait to see the 'before & after' clips.
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Post by davecisar on May 6, 2009 18:39:51 GMT -6
That is our intention, havent done one of those since 2004, before that 2002 etc
Our preference is to go where we have lots of direct and reasonably $$ flights, like Chicago, St Louis, Dallas, Denver, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Memphis etc places reasonably easy to get in and out of. Preferably a place where football starts fairly early.
It's the real deal, have all the details worked out with the family etc.
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Post by davecisar on May 6, 2009 18:42:21 GMT -6
Interesting project, Dave. I wish you the best of luck with this endeavor. What is going to happen to the teams you're coaching now in 2010? Will they all have moved on to HS by then? I wouldn't think you'd be able to coach your existing teams in addition to taking on a major project out of your area. Of course, you routinely do things that I wouldn't think anyone would be able to do. LOL. BTW, you might want to mention if there are other criteria that you will be looking for, such as age, select vs. non-select, national affiliation of league (PW, AYF, Jr AA, etc.), weight limit rules, other special rules, etc. Letting people know what type of situation you're looking for might help you find the best possible candidates a lot faster. Good luck - I'll be anxious to see how this unfolds. Doug, Lucky for you the flights your way arent very good, otherwise I would be hounding you day and night to coach with me out there with an LA area team.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2009 19:45:24 GMT -6
Where was this last year....Man I coulda used the help....= I would never call any of my teams the worst. We never lost...Time just ran out on every game
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Post by coachdoug on May 6, 2009 21:24:32 GMT -6
Interesting project, Dave. I wish you the best of luck with this endeavor. What is going to happen to the teams you're coaching now in 2010? Will they all have moved on to HS by then? I wouldn't think you'd be able to coach your existing teams in addition to taking on a major project out of your area. Of course, you routinely do things that I wouldn't think anyone would be able to do. LOL. BTW, you might want to mention if there are other criteria that you will be looking for, such as age, select vs. non-select, national affiliation of league (PW, AYF, Jr AA, etc.), weight limit rules, other special rules, etc. Letting people know what type of situation you're looking for might help you find the best possible candidates a lot faster. Good luck - I'll be anxious to see how this unfolds. Doug, Lucky for you the flights your way arent very good, otherwise I would be hounding you day and night to coach with me out there with an LA area team. Lucky me is right - if you came out here, you'd undoubtedly take over some team that I penciled in as an automatic win and turn it into a loss for me. LOL. Seriously, though, I'd be honored to coach with you if the opportunity ever presented itself.
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Post by ampipebulldog on May 12, 2009 8:39:47 GMT -6
I would love to see you coach a Junior team at the Keller Youth Association near DFW. There were 18 teams in the division and this team was the most poorly coached team I had ever seen.
Steelers (13) points scored Steelers (252) points allowed 18. Steelers (0-8) Record
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Post by davecisar on May 12, 2009 9:52:56 GMT -6
I will be in Dallas in 2 Weeks Do you have contact info? PM me if you do. Dallas has good flights
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Post by ampipebulldog on May 12, 2009 20:20:42 GMT -6
PM sent. I might have just shot myself in the foot.
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Post by davecisar on May 13, 2009 6:11:34 GMT -6
nah coach if we do it there, think of the kids you are helping
We invite the competition to our coaches clinics. Makes you a better team.
I dont expect to take anyone from worst to first, but from dismal to competitive and having fun again. If the byproduct is they win em all, thats ok too, but doubtful. We shall see.
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Post by khalfie on May 16, 2009 19:53:07 GMT -6
Oh... this is a hot idea. However, the team that was poor last year, won't be the same team this year? Kids will move on... decide they might not want to play... some young studs may be in tow waiting... To truly effect a turn around... you need to find a historically bad team... a youth team that has been inept for say 3 to 4 years... Turn that around... and I'll personally write a testimonial to how this exercise was thought out and conducted, with no shananigans taking place.
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Post by bobgoodman on May 16, 2009 20:28:42 GMT -6
Oh... this is a hot idea. However, the team that was poor last year, won't be the same team this year? Kids will move on... decide they might not want to play... some young studs may be in tow waiting... To truly effect a turn around... you need to find a historically bad team... a youth team that has been inept for say 3 to 4 years... But where do you find a team that bad that stays together for that long? Usually they'd disband, either formally or (thru loss of interest by the players) in effect. Realistically you can hope only to find cellar dwellers who aren't truly "inept", who are good enough to give them just enough encouragement to keep playing. The JPW team I assisted with in 2007 was disbanded before the season even ended. However, a good fraction of their players quit before the season started and showed up just for a mid-season team photo. When we disbanded, a few were eligible to play down a grade with the Mighty Mites and were transferred, while the others were offered free membership for 2008.
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Post by khalfie on May 16, 2009 21:01:38 GMT -6
Good point...
And I think you are correct... its not really about the kids anyway... it was the previous regimes inability to get said group of kids to reach their potential.
I'm sure if Dave does get a bad program, and turn them around, the previous regime will be screaming how, Dave got studs... when those same kids, or kids similar to them, were on the team, but the previous crew had them in the wrong position, or were unable to teach them how to be effective players.
Either way... I will enjoy reading the updates. ;D
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Post by davecisar on May 17, 2009 15:36:00 GMT -6
Oh... this is a hot idea. However, the team that was poor last year, won't be the same team this year? Kids will move on... decide they might not want to play... some young studs may be in tow waiting... To truly effect a turn around... you need to find a historically bad team... a youth team that has been inept for say 3 to 4 years... Turn that around... and I'll personally write a testimonial to how this exercise was thought out and conducted, with no shananigans taking place. The only teams we have contacted so far have been inpet for many seasons including one org that had 6 teams total and won a combined 3 games last season and won something like 6 games combined the previous. We are specifically targeting non-select teams, no recruiting etc Obviously no horrific team will get all their players back, but there are many consistently poor performing orgs are out there, we have already contacted several. As to excuse making, if it were an export product, the US trade defecit would be a thing of the past just from the jealous rantings and CYAs of youth football coaches, I know and fully expect such sillyness. There are many youth coaches doing great things, but the ones that consistently do poorly are usually saddled with excuse makers. Of the 6-7 very nice e-mails Ive sent out requesting more information and volunteering my possible services at my own expense, Not ONE has been returned so far.
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Post by angryman27909 on May 20, 2009 16:07:23 GMT -6
you need to come to hertford, north carolina and check out the youth dept. the team hasnt won a game in years, i know i have knowned them to win a game in 5 or 6 years. lots of youth injuries from bad coaches. the program was scraped by the league one year because it was so bad. no one that i know of has film of a game because they dont want to see the horror show again. no money, poor county and the good ole boy politics only has allowed freinds of friends coming in to coach and not someone that knows the game. how ballsy are ya?
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Post by davecisar on May 20, 2009 16:58:09 GMT -6
Very,
But I require direct flights from Omaha or Lincoln to make it work I doubt they fit.
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Post by davecisar on May 20, 2009 18:33:59 GMT -6
you need to come to hertford, north carolina and check out the youth dept. the team hasnt won a game in years, i know i have knowned them to win a game in 5 or 6 years. lots of youth injuries from bad coaches. the program was scraped by the league one year because it was so bad. no one that i know of has film of a game because they dont want to see the horror show again. no money, poor county and the good ole boy politics only has allowed freinds of friends coming in to coach and not someone that knows the game. how ballsy are ya? One thing they could try on their own:
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Post by jhanawa on May 20, 2009 20:16:08 GMT -6
Dave,
There was a Midget team here in Phoenix that wasn't very good and was trying to run Single Wing, any interest in coming down here and meeting with their coaches? I don't know them personally but could look them up if your interested. Southwest is cheap and fly's Omaha to Phoenix.....I'd love to see your Single Wing in action as we are spread with obvious SW/WT roots...
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Post by davecisar on May 21, 2009 3:25:47 GMT -6
If there are direct flights, sure YEs we have SW in Omaha, I dont think there are direct flights to Phoenix
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Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 14:16:31 GMT -6
Nice Dave.
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