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Post by larrymoe on Feb 7, 2024 17:03:02 GMT -6
Maybe the boosters have a place.... Where does the science teacher live??? I couldn't figure out where really any teacher could live. And that was 20 years ago. That place has gone insane since then. I was there in 2000 and again in 2020. It's not even the same place it was in 2000. The demographic has changed entirely. I did not enjoy the people that had moved in.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 7, 2024 8:23:30 GMT -6
Early in my career (around 2002) I looked at a SS job at Jackson Hole and came to the same conclusion you did. Love to live in that area, but couldn't afford to do it.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 30, 2024 12:30:07 GMT -6
What is your guys' tell that a team is winning mainly because well coached vs having superior athletes than their opponents? Their HC is named Deion Sanders... I kid, I kid.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 22:04:20 GMT -6
Never coached a single FBS or FCS football players. Had a couple D1 wrestlers play football, but no football players. Only had 3 players get any money to play at any level past HS. One got about $5k to go to a $30k school. He didn't make it the whole 1st season. Kid was literally our worst OL. School took total advantage of him. It is now closed. One played 3 years and started a couple of them and then just quit before his Sr year. Other was one of only 2 four year college players I ever had.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 15:32:16 GMT -6
My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. This would be the definition of a pause clean. Why would anyone reading this sentence think otherwise? Except they aren't doing pause cleans. They were maxing out on power cleans and his teacher tried to tell him he was doing them wrong. Stop digging. This isn't an argument you can win. You don't know the teacher, you don't know the circumstances, you don't know anything about it. But that sure hasn't stopped you from giving your two cents worth. You obviously know more about the situation than I do. Hell, you obviously know more about lifting than all of us. See the little delta thread. You know a lot about powerlifting too. See your way out.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 9:48:45 GMT -6
I've only ever met 1 basketball coach in my life that knew anything about lifting, or had any desire for his kids to do it. Unfortunately, he was super CrossFit focused and everything was about getting a cardio type workout in. Which is better than the nothing that any other coach I was around knew, but it wasn't real conducive to producing power and size gains. Particularly for your line type kids. He's a very good basketball coach and is now flourishing at a school that doesn't have football. It was frustrating for me because one of the main reasons I took that job was they had weightlifting PE, but I still had to have after school PE because they weren't getting any stronger. My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. You can look at the guy and tell he's never touched a weight in his life. But, he has that mythical PE major and teaching certification so that obviously makes him an expert. Pause cleans are quite common in training Olympic lifts, as they build strength in the “position” (meaning holding your body in the correct position to deliver the bar to the hips). To be honest, it is probably a fairly decent idea for younger lifters who tend to try and use the momentum from picking the bar off the ground as opposed to the glute contraction/ hip snap to move the bar. It could also be a misunderstanding of a hang clean. Except that's not what he's doing, but thanks for coming back to mansplain lifting to me.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 27, 2024 8:39:52 GMT -6
I've only ever met 1 basketball coach in my life that knew anything about lifting, or had any desire for his kids to do it. Unfortunately, he was super CrossFit focused and everything was about getting a cardio type workout in. Which is better than the nothing that any other coach I was around knew, but it wasn't real conducive to producing power and size gains. Particularly for your line type kids.
He's a very good basketball coach and is now flourishing at a school that doesn't have football. It was frustrating for me because one of the main reasons I took that job was they had weightlifting PE, but I still had to have after school PE because they weren't getting any stronger.
My son has a weights teacher right now (who is the head basketball coach) who tells him that to do power cleans you have to pause between the lifting it off the ground and the snapping it up phase. You can look at the guy and tell he's never touched a weight in his life. But, he has that mythical PE major and teaching certification so that obviously makes him an expert.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 26, 2024 16:13:34 GMT -6
How do we convince the athletes, the parents, and yes...even the other sports coaches that strength training is good for ALL sports? This could be an entirely separate thread, or the title of a best selling coaching book. Either way I'd be all ears on how you do this. It's one hill I die on every year... In my experience, you got to start with their coaches. It's amazing to me how many basketball coaches still active like lifting weights will "mess up their shot".
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 25, 2024 18:45:32 GMT -6
To add to the comment about diversity of talent from place to place- I coached for 20 years in schools from 1A to 4A in Illinois. I never coached a D1 football player. I never coached a FCS player. As a HC I only had 1 kid play more than 1 year of D3 and two play some on D2. I think I only coached against 7 D1 kids.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 25, 2024 8:18:59 GMT -6
Stay in it long enough and you will too. Things are great when you're winning, but they'll turn on you as fast as they can when things go south. Look at Belichick and Saban. I began my career as a high school teacher and head football coach in 1964...it has been a long, and enjoyable career. It has been both my career and my hobby. I love it!! And you've never been run out of a place for no reason? I find this extremely hard to believe. What are you now? 80?
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 24, 2024 21:57:22 GMT -6
Coaching is not like other businesses.
In a business- if you make money for your company and shareholders, you are a success.
What is success in high school coaching?
Winning a championship every year? We are all failures then. (I'll amend that if there are any IMG coaches on here).
Doing the best you have with what you have? Maybe we are all successful then… but parents, fans, boosters… sometimes administrators won’t necessarily see it that way.
Here is what I have learned in 34 years of coaching high school football- You are a success if: - You win every game (but not by too much to be unsportsmanlike) - You play every kid in your program - You run an offense that fans see on Sunday… or at least Saturday. - You run a lot of trick plays/formations (it's fun for the kids...“The Annexation of Puerto Rico!!”) - You run an offense/defense that will get a hard nosed, tough 5’6 235# lineman recruited as a scholarship player to a Big 10 (or SEC, or Big 12… depending on where you live) school - You never yell at players but still make them tough physically and mentally like we all were in the “old days” - Etc…
In 2020, we lost the state title game by a FG, which they made with 10 seconds left in the game. We played a team with 4x our roster size, who by 2022 was (rightfully) playing two classes above us (and has been competitive).
Even though we made more uncharacteristic mistakes in the last 2 minutes on defense, according to some (those yahoos who like to talk and don't know whether a football is filled with air or stuffed) we lost because “we didn’t have a good enough passing game”.
2020 was then a "failure" in the eyes of some... and I disagree with that.
WOW!! I feel bad for you...you have been doing this for 34 years so you obviously have had a great deal of success or you would not have stayed in coaching for so many years...and now you feel this way about your community/fans. Stay in it long enough and you will too. Things are great when you're winning, but they'll turn on you as fast as they can when things go south. Look at Belichick and Saban.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 24, 2024 9:24:03 GMT -6
I appreciate the answer...but that's not really where I intended to go with this question.
Much like the Mark Twain quote “I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead”... I am once again guilty of being wordy... so here is another try:
How many of you are/had been running dinosaur offenses and felt compelled to change or consider change based on not getting the type of players out that you once were able to get out?
College coaches (Coach Niumatalolo in this case), are not the only ones who face a recruiting/retention issue. Maybe it's losing kids to other schools, maybe not getting the athletes you need out because they are playing AAU basketball because it is more fun than blocking on Wedge or Power... whatever the reason. Have you been coerced to "rebrand"?
If you changed- or if you did not- why?
I felt the squeeze of it back in 2015. Not from the players, but their parents, the fans and to some degree, the admins. In 11-13 we went 27-6 running the I. Ran for over 8,000yds and 900+ points in 12 & 13 going 21-2 in the process. Had a down year in 14 playing a lot of sophs and went 3-6 (lost 3 games by a combined 4 points and all 6 losses were to playoff teams). Parents frequently went to my new principal and AD and complained about our "dinosaur offense". Week 1 of 2015 we had to go to our "orange" formation package since our FB was suspended. Orange was singleback 2x2 shotgun. Numbers were low and I just didn't have a backup FB ready to play (he was a freshman). There was an audible cheer on our first possession. Our TB ran for 410yds and 6 TDs running trap, dive and wrap. The paper wrote a big article about our "new offense" and how even my old grumpy ass went to the spread. Parents and fans were elated. Next week we went back to the I and there were literally boos. We went 5-5 and had a decent year with a still very young team. We flirted with spread looks throughout 15 and 16 and it was a terrible decision on my part. Any kid that I got out because of the "new offense" was always a dickhead that I didn't really want around anyway. Listening to the pressure no doubt contributed to my demise at that place. I left after 16 and there were a slew of articles about how my successor was going to "open it up" and "let the kids have more fun" and "get the athletes in space". They went 3-6. In 18 they went back to the I and went to the playoffs. They have been bad since.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 24, 2024 9:15:03 GMT -6
I dunno, man. I see teams like Camp Central and Byron HS in IL winning state titles and Scott County in KY all doing it by running UC wing-t scheme. Just well-coached disciplined teams, that as an outsider looking-in seem to have a great connection between, players, coaches, admin, and community. I don't really believe one offense or defense is better than another. They just might have a specific niche/environment that it is best suited, but other than that it's just preference, it's like arguing over which deli makes the best sub sandwich to me. Just my two cents. 5 of the 6 teams in the 1A-3A state championships in Illinois were UC wing-t/flexbone set teams. The 6th- Mt Carmel used to be.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 22, 2024 4:42:52 GMT -6
lotta mileage out of this innocuous news update HUEY BOARD COACHING STAFF meetings would be stuff of legends COACH HUEY: "Aight guys, lets go over opponents two minute game...." Coach X: "I remember one time, back in '88....or maybe it was '78, anyhoos.....it was snowing in the semi-finals and we were trailing 4 with 6 minutes to go. I said to my Oline coach Johnny Pepper......or was it Jimmy Chili, cant remember....but I wanted to get one of those hot dogs from the concession stands and bet him we could probably get one in under 2 minutes and then..." Coach Y: "look, its clear their go-to is #87. They like him on a out & up or a sideline bench from a semi-roll...." Coach B: "thats what they want you to think. It would be stupid to forget about the run game here. They should have a midline triple option package just for these situations. I've seen it before. Anyone who doesn't believe me, sucks [censored] by choice" Coach 99: "you would say that...you're always sucking [censored]" Coach PDQ: [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] (throws chair) I've been in that staff meeting before. You forgot Coach Z- "We suck. We're soft as Charmin, we can't stop anyone. We're going to be down 40 in the 1st quarter anyway. Why are we wasting time talking about this?"
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 21, 2024 15:39:36 GMT -6
I just don't understand why you have to argue this same argument over and over and over and over and over... And yes, I don't like much of what HS football has become. Fair point. Likely for the same reason that others have to post the same "option as panacea" statements over and over and over and over and over, or complain about teams that don't run them over and over and over and over. You could just ignore them you know.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 21, 2024 15:09:03 GMT -6
I don't know anything either, other than you will be here instantly to argue against them. And you my friend, will be here instantly to comment on that, or tell us how much you hate football I just don't understand why you have to argue this same argument over and over and over and over and over... And yes, I don't like much of what HS football has become.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 21, 2024 12:56:22 GMT -6
What I do know is that when it comes to this particular topic, many presumably high quality HS football coaches start to sound like Uncle Rico in the stands. I don't know anything either, other than you will be here instantly to argue against them.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 19, 2024 13:10:47 GMT -6
Living in Illinois you get all the stupid policies of California, without the scenery and weather. It's fantastic... Who you vote for is important. Problem is, most people don't know what they are voting for, and in actuality, vote against their own interests It doesn't matter who I vote for in Illinois state politics. We are completely overridden by Chicagoland.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 18, 2024 18:34:54 GMT -6
Looks like football under 12 is on the way to being banned in CALI Interesting fuckkkk california in every way except the beauty and climate but that is {censored} up Living in Illinois you get all the stupid policies of California, without the scenery and weather. It's fantastic...
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 18, 2024 10:17:11 GMT -6
Huey is becoming a conspiracy theorists dream not for nothing, but we infer what you're saying with this term is "made up speculation". Those vociferously supporting Coach Sanders continue to fall back on "maybe he...." "it could be", "who knows whats going on" deflection via uncertainty and conjecture when presented with 'smoke' / foul odor from the locker room. This isn't a 'conspiracy'. Simply TALK to any of your trusted coaching friends that have been on that staff or been intimately around that program and you'll get instant, credible supporting accounts. HE AIN'T HARD 2 FIND. for me, its not a personal witchunt. Its a guy LARPing as a Head Coach, who has been gifted keys to something he did not earn on merit. He's jiving his way through this grift by assuming some Baptist pastor personna that insulates him from negative critique. He's not nickel slick enough to pull this off at the DI level. While entrusted with this responsibility, his inexperience by hubris gets exposed at every narrow turn in the process. buuuut we'll keep making excuses for poor execution and lack of fundamentals because thats what we do in society now.... I point all this out simply to say, this will be his undoing. These shortcuts will be a daisychain of poor decisions where he believes he can outsmart fundamentals of success. He's been allowed to do this because there is zero accountability to "PRIME" because 'but muh endorsements!'. This situation offers a tremendous learning tool to pay attention to (as it happens) for those thinking they just NEED to be head coach without having the experience while also having the bull-headedness to not receive any critical feedback This is a far more eloquent wording of my personal feelings on this entire "Prime" situation.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 15, 2024 17:36:11 GMT -6
I took over for a guy who had been HC for 25 years, went to the playoffs 18 of those years, multiple quarterfinals and one semifinal. They had waned his last few years and numbers were down. He had wanted to continue coaching after he retired as principal but the school board said no. He was very helpful when I took over, but it was clear a change was needed. I changed just about everything just to fit my personality. Changed the weight room, the practice schedule, the offense, the defense, special teams, uniforms, helmets, literally everything I could. He and I are VERY different people and it showed in my 3rd year when he came back to help out. We went 4-5 my first year, 6-4 my second and 10-1 and 11-1 my 3rd and 4th year. Went 11-17 my last 3 years and it was time to move on. They've went 19-34 in the 7 years since I left. This was my 2nd go around as HC. The 1st one I took over for a guy who was a town legend, but had only been HC 4 years. However, in those 4 years we went from 0-9 and only scoring 26pts the whole season to 10-3 and state semifinalists. I'll went 5-5 and was gone after 1 year, but that's because I told the super to get bent. My 3rd job as a HC I took over for a HOF coach who was only at the school 3 years, but went to the playoffs at a place who hadn't made them in a while 2 of the 3. I'm fairly familiar with the concept...
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 13, 2024 17:18:21 GMT -6
There is zero chance of HS FB being banned in my lifetime I’m completely in favor of this bill. I think it could be the best thing for FB in a long time I hope you're older because there's a million things that are legislated now that if you'd have told anyone it would be a law 20 years ago they'd have laughed you out of the room.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2024 16:36:52 GMT -6
I won't say I got it from Saban, but before I crawl a kid the first thing I ask is "What did (read key) do?" Maybe I heard it from a Sabanite, but that was always the first thing I asked a kid. Dating back to 2005.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 12, 2024 16:34:01 GMT -6
We only had 2 hand touch in Jr high and I quit after a couple games as an OL. I wasn't going to play in HS because of how miserable my experience in JFL was. I was basically kidnapped by the freshman coach the last week of Jr High and "forced" to play.
As a coach and especially a HC, I had 2xs more All Conference/All State players come from kids who never played football before HS or quit in JFL than I ever did from kids who played JFL. In fact, JFL "all stars" rarely even played 4 years let alone were any good.
The expansion of youth sports has done more damage to HS football and other sports than can ever be imagined.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 11, 2024 18:25:17 GMT -6
Apparently, they don't watch 8-year-olds play football. It's more wrestling than hard-htting football. But...they're probably against wrestling, too. I was just going to post that those that don't like football also don't like wrestling.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 11, 2024 15:49:11 GMT -6
That was certainly his situation the last years he was at Alabama. It was most certainly not the situation when he started there. And his REAL competition had similar resources. Yes.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 11, 2024 15:42:58 GMT -6
True, a great football mind. But don't forget that he had the "pick-of-the-litter" when it came to recruiting and hiring. When you have the best of everything working for you, it's hard to lose. That was certainly his situation the last years he was at Alabama. It was most certainly not the situation when he started there.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 10, 2024 15:46:50 GMT -6
Thank God.
Ban it everywhere.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 8, 2024 18:56:20 GMT -6
Legally speaking, those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on at a private school either. Maybe so, but there has always been those "individuals" who have challenged coaches' decisions. Some taking things further than others. However, in my experience MOST individuals either back off, or drop their challenges when a prepared document written in the best "legaleeze" is presented with THEIR own signatures acknowledging their agreement and support of the document, especially when the school administration stands behind it. Your last 8 words is more valuable than that contract ever will be.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 8, 2024 16:32:14 GMT -6
Those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I was blessed to have spent most of my 50 year career coaching/teaching in private/parochial schools where those contracts were an extension of the student-parent handbook, mandated, supported, and reinforced by the school administration, so they certainly were worth more than the paper they were written on for us. Those "contracts" were considered "preventative legal insurance." I had many coaching friends who worked in government schools (aka public) where my experience was not necessarily the case for them. Legally speaking, those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on at a private school either.
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