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Post by 19delta on Jan 4, 2024 19:14:34 GMT -6
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 4, 2024 19:40:18 GMT -6
Not quite as crazy as something that has recently gone viral (but happened a while ago) in Louisiana eyoj.ams3.digitaloceanspaces.com/News/why-was-opelousas-basketball-coach-fired-breonna-o-conner-hired-by-scotlandville-43619.html A female woman's basketball coach was fired and was apparently told "this isn't a fashion show" (Highly ironic given she coached at a school just an hour away from LSU featuring the worlds most flamboyant women's basketball coach) And we wonder why there is a teacher shortage, an official shortage, a coaching shortage... Essentially there is a shortage of almost anything that allows for the publics complaints to be heard. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 5, 2024 4:54:34 GMT -6
Well, 1. It's in Naperville, so entitled has to be thrown in 2. Lots of power words and educational buzz phrases thrown in by the parents and asst coaches 3. In the end, this just boils down to the parents were pissy, decided they'd "show that coach" and the coach said " {censored} that {censored}" and beat them to the punch. |
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Post by CS on Jan 5, 2024 5:11:31 GMT -6
Iām glad the coach resigned. Fuk those parents. I would usually assume there must have been something left out of the article but the fact the assistants also resigned says it all. I did see the one about the coach getting fired for her wardrobe. Something has to be going on behind the scenes IMO. I saw the pictures and didnāt think she looked unprofessional in any of them |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 5, 2024 7:32:26 GMT -6
Iām glad the coach resigned. Fuk those parents. I would usually assume there must have been something left out of the article but the fact the assistants also resigned says it all. I did see the one about the coach getting fired for her wardrobe. Something has to be going on behind the scenes IMO. I saw the pictures and didnāt think she looked unprofessional in any of them Thatās what I thought, too, but the fact that she is teaching and coaching at a school about an hour east from where she was fired makes me think maybe not. |
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 5, 2024 8:23:26 GMT -6
It's getting wild... we are at 25% of ALL HC jobs open since the season ended and it is only climbing out here. Support is decreasing, parents are unruly, and it doesn't seem to be moving the right direction.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 5, 2024 9:08:10 GMT -6
It's getting wild... we are at 25% of ALL HC jobs open since the season ended and it is only climbing out here. Support is decreasing, parents are unruly, and it doesn't seem to be moving the right direction. Why would it? We move daily to āeverything is about meā āThere is nothing more important than meā. āIām gonna get mineā every day. Team based athletic programs generally require something to be placed above oneself. It sounds like a "sky is falling" complaint, but I really think social media has changed brain development in individuals the last 10-15 years Combine this with the 15-20 year trend of āchampionships are all that matter (after getting mine). Layer those on top of public education spending 25+ years moving towards being a service industry- run by MBA styled trained Superintendents given marching orders by cote seeking politiciansā¦ And social media/electronic communication makes it so much easier to spread complaints |
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Post by 19delta on Jan 5, 2024 19:13:34 GMT -6
Well, 1. It's in Naperville, so entitled has to be thrown in 2. Lots of power words and educational buzz phrases thrown in by the parents and asst coaches 3. In the end, this just boils down to the parents were pissy, decided they'd "show that coach" and the coach said " {censored} that {censored}" and beat them to the punch. Itās actually Hinsdale. But 6 of one, a half dozen of another. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 5, 2024 19:22:15 GMT -6
Well, 1. It's in Naperville, so entitled has to be thrown in 2. Lots of power words and educational buzz phrases thrown in by the parents and asst coaches 3. In the end, this just boils down to the parents were pissy, decided they'd "show that coach" and the coach said " {censored} that {censored}" and beat them to the punch. Itās actually Hinsdale. But 6 of one, a half dozen of another. My bad. At the same time, is there a difference?  In my defense, I read that and posted at 4:30 am. Pre workout had not taken hold yet. |
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Post by wingtol on Jan 6, 2024 8:37:53 GMT -6
It is out of control for sure. But to play devils advocate....there are some chitty coaches out there too. I've seen it.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 6, 2024 10:14:15 GMT -6
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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 6, 2024 12:40:07 GMT -6
God is Great, beer is good, and people are crazy.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 6, 2024 15:14:14 GMT -6
I remember seeing that. Though it was crazy an all conference player would be cut their senior year. I mean 9/10 times it is parents being off their rocker. But sometimes there are chity coaches involved. A situation is going on locally where a guy was allowed to resign instead of being fired and has divided their town. Of course when you read between the lines it appears the district could have fired him but let him quit. And of course he has side splashed all over social and the district just has to sit back and not comment |
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Post by cqmiller on Jan 6, 2024 15:16:37 GMT -6
I don't know the deal, but there are a few kids on my son's accelerated baseball team that didn't get invited back because their parents were a PITA. Kid isn't so good I'm willing to put up with that BS.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jan 7, 2024 13:26:43 GMT -6
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Post by spartan on Jan 7, 2024 14:22:59 GMT -6
I have had these situations start but the parent contract stops it at square 1.
1. We do not talk about playing time
2. We do not talk about strategy
3. We do not talk about another persons kid
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Post by Defcord on Jan 7, 2024 14:27:14 GMT -6
I have had these situations start but the parent contract stops it at square 1. 1. We do not talk about playing time 2. We do not talk about strategy 3. We do not talk about another persons kid I would also add when we have a conversation about your kid, they will be in the meeting. I started doing this because a buddy recommended it. It doesnāt cure all but It cuts right through a lot of the parental BS. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 7, 2024 14:45:38 GMT -6
Those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
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Post by carookie on Jan 7, 2024 15:59:52 GMT -6
I have had these situations start but the parent contract stops it at square 1. 1. We do not talk about playing time 2. We do not talk about strategy 3. We do not talk about another persons kid I have known several assistant coaches forced to resign over the past year due to parent complaints (all at different schools). Each of those schools had a parent contract, and I would describe nothing that any of those coaches did as being a 'fireable offense', especially as they came w/o a prior meeting for the allegations. |
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Post by chadavan on Jan 7, 2024 18:54:10 GMT -6
I have had these situations start but the parent contract stops it at square 1. 1. We do not talk about playing time 2. We do not talk about strategy 3. We do not talk about another persons kid I have known several assistant coaches forced to resign over the past year due to parent complaints (all at different schools). Each of those schools had a parent contract, and I would describe nothing that any of those coaches did as being a 'fireable offense', especially as they came w/o a prior meeting for the allegations. Parent expectations have changed. And for the worse. I have several friends that quit teaching because of the parents. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 8, 2024 5:48:02 GMT -6
How many of us are willing to have the conversation with a parent about playing time? I have changed a little. I will have the talk, but it has to be respectful. I guess for me it's a chance to control the narrative. We are all on the same team here, and if little Johnny was failing history one way or the other we need to communicate with parents. If it turns sour the discussion is over.
Other people's kids are still off-limits. I am happy to talk strategy in the right context. I have only really had one parent in 25 years of coaching actually want to talk ball about why we do things the way we do.
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Post by irishdog on Jan 8, 2024 14:35:03 GMT -6
Those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I was blessed to have spent most of my 50 year career coaching/teaching in private/parochial schools where those contracts were an extension of the student-parent handbook, mandated, supported, and reinforced by the school administration, so they certainly were worth more than the paper they were written on for us. Those "contracts" were considered "preventative legal insurance." I had many coaching friends who worked in government schools (aka public) where my experience was not necessarily the case for them. |
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Post by carookie on Jan 8, 2024 14:41:20 GMT -6
How many of us are willing to have the conversation with a parent about playing time? I have changed a little. I will have the talk, but it has to be respectful. I guess for me it's a chance to control the narrative. We are all on the same team here, and if little Johnny was failing history one way or the other we need to communicate with parents. If it turns sour the discussion is over. Other people's kids are still off-limits. I am happy to talk strategy in the right context. I have only really had one parent in 25 years of coaching actually want to talk ball about why we do things the way we do. I think there is a material difference separating the analogy of history grade (bolded) from that of playing time, and it correlates to the underlined. When I give my history grades, there is no cap to any individual's grade as it relates to the whole class, theoretically all students could earn an 'A+' in my class, and no individual students grade is impacted by another students. Playing time is different though, playing time is finite, and playing time is zero sum. If Little Johnny is not receiving playing time, then it is because Big Jimmy is superior to him. If I am discussing playing time, then said discussion will need to explain that Big Jimmy is better, and is receiving the playing time for these reasons. It does become a discussion about other kids. Now you certainly could discuss the ways that Little Johnny could improve as a whole, but thats not really playing time, thats just him getting better. Because the truth is, even if Little Johnny does improve, his improvement must make him better than Big Jimmy to increase the playing time. |
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Post by irishdog on Jan 8, 2024 15:12:51 GMT -6
How many of us are willing to have the conversation with a parent about playing time? I have changed a little. I will have the talk, but it has to be respectful. I guess for me it's a chance to control the narrative. We are all on the same team here, and if little Johnny was failing history one way or the other we need to communicate with parents. If it turns sour the discussion is over. Other people's kids are still off-limits. I am happy to talk strategy in the right context. I have only really had one parent in 25 years of coaching actually want to talk ball about why we do things the way we do. Our Parent/Coach Communication Plan which we handed out prior to August practices and had to be signed by the parent(s)/guardian(s) was always our go-to. Discussion of Play calling, Strategy, and Other Players were strictly off-limits. However, if a parent wanted to discuss HOW his/her son could achieve playing time I would be willing to discuss it with all of them as long as the discussion was focused on the son and not include comparisons to/with other team mates. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 8, 2024 16:32:14 GMT -6
Those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on. I was blessed to have spent most of my 50 year career coaching/teaching in private/parochial schools where those contracts were an extension of the student-parent handbook, mandated, supported, and reinforced by the school administration, so they certainly were worth more than the paper they were written on for us. Ā Those "contracts" were considered "preventative legal insurance." Ā I had many coaching friends who worked in government schools (aka public) where my experience was not necessarily the case for them. Ā Legally speaking, those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on at a private school either. |
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Post by irishdog on Jan 8, 2024 17:34:52 GMT -6
I was blessed to have spent most of my 50 year career coaching/teaching in private/parochial schools where those contracts were an extension of the student-parent handbook, mandated, supported, and reinforced by the school administration, so they certainly were worth more than the paper they were written on for us. Those "contracts" were considered "preventative legal insurance." I had many coaching friends who worked in government schools (aka public) where my experience was not necessarily the case for them. Legally speaking, those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on at a private school either. Maybe so, but there has always been those "individuals" who have challenged coaches' decisions. Some taking things further than others. However, in my experience MOST individuals either back off, or drop their challenges when a prepared document written in the best "legaleeze" is presented with THEIR own signatures acknowledging their agreement and support of the document, especially when the school administration stands behind it. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 8, 2024 18:56:20 GMT -6
Legally speaking, those contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on at a private school either. Maybe so, but there has always been those "individuals" who have challenged coaches' decisions. Ā Some taking things further than others. Ā However, in my experience MOST individuals either back off, or drop their challenges when a prepared document written in the best "legaleeze" is presented with THEIR own signatures acknowledging their agreement and support of the document, especially when the school administration stands behind it. Your last 8 words is more valuable than that contract ever will be. |
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