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Post by coachdmyers on Jun 5, 2023 12:48:52 GMT -6
On a related note, can we all agree that Trent Dilfer is going to be a disaster for UAB? No. HS head coaches going to head coach at college level do not have a good record of success. But Dilfer is different. Give him some time. Maybe we should define success at UAB, but I'd bet a dollar he is not successful in his tenure. |
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Post by olliebaba14 on Jun 12, 2023 15:25:53 GMT -6
Deion sit down interview with Joel Klatt was interesting
Deion is a narcissist
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Post by fantom on Jun 12, 2023 15:40:46 GMT -6
Deion sit down interview with Joel Klatt was interesting Deion is a narcissist Which doesn't make him unique among college coaches. |
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Post by 44special on Jun 12, 2023 19:40:40 GMT -6
Deion sit down interview with Joel Klatt was interesting Deion is a narcissist lol. what was your clue? (sorry. not trying to be a jerk, just humorous. which some people tell me i'm not necessarily great at). anybody on here old enough to have watched him play and listen to him already knew that. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 13, 2023 10:38:24 GMT -6
Read some of the highlights- I don’t see anything earth shattering. I think he is right on target regarding the difference between the original intent of the NIL and the unintended consequences which have brought about the “collectives” which are simply pay for play mechanisms.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 16, 2023 20:51:37 GMT -6
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Post by coachwoodall on Jun 17, 2023 11:37:27 GMT -6
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 17, 2023 11:58:35 GMT -6
Getting your foot amputated is not normal to getting old. |
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Post by CoachK on Jun 23, 2023 22:07:40 GMT -6
It helps the transition if the player was great due to his aptitude rather than his freak ability. I would rather have Hunter Renfrow, who looks like an accountant but somehow plays WR in the NFL, coaching my WR’s than Randy Moss - who was just taller, faster, and could out jump everyone he faced. People who were overachievers as players usually make the best coaches. Belichick on record regarding Moss Yeah I picked Moss for a reason. Exactly this reason. I worked at a HS where the HC was a former teammate of Moss' in MN, said he was not only a great teammate but the smartest guy he'd ever played with.
Again, that type of intelligence doesn't translate to coaching necessarily but it does take a very high level of functional intelligence to be an all-timer.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 24, 2023 10:29:41 GMT -6
and whose highlight reel pretty much just consists of outrunning and outjumping people. Isn't that what highlight reels are though? Spectacular physical plays? I mean you don't usually highlight a 3rd and 5 yard play where you read a coverage perfectly and adjust your route just barely and make a precise cut to catch a well thrown ball for a 6 yard gain to keep a drive alive. Or even a TD where you run a route so well that you are open and the QB just throws it perfectly at you and you catch it easily. Those aren't highlights. |
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Post by jg78 on Jun 24, 2023 11:19:56 GMT -6
I didn’t necessarily mean “highlight reel” literally so much as his MO as a player. I don’t believe Moss set himself apart through technical skill, being driven, and playing hard so much as just being a freak of nature.
I don’t want to argue the point anymore. That’s my opinion.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 24, 2023 11:50:10 GMT -6
I didn’t necessarily mean “highlight reel” literally so much as his MO as a player. I don’t believe Moss set himself apart through technical skill, being driven, and playing hard so much as just being a freak of nature. I will agree with that point 100%. If he wasn't a freak of nature, we most likely would not know he was. Even if he was the smartest player ever, that is not what set him apart. |
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Post by Defcord on Jun 24, 2023 12:51:56 GMT -6
I didn’t necessarily mean “highlight reel” literally so much as his MO as a player. I don’t believe Moss set himself apart through technical skill, being driven, and playing hard so much as just being a freak of nature. I will agree with that point 100%. If he wasn't a freak of nature, we most likely would not know he was. Even if he was the smartest player ever, that is not what set him apart. But isn’t there something about putting the two together? Being a freak athlete and a mental elite at the same time? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 24, 2023 13:10:59 GMT -6
I will agree with that point 100%. If he wasn't a freak of nature, we most likely would not know he was. Even if he was the smartest player ever, that is not what set him apart. But isn’t there something about putting the two together? Being a freak athlete and a mental elite at the same time? I think that is the objection that some have here to comments about first Deion Sanders, and Randy Moss as well. The ease at which coaches are doubling down on their opinions that because those two had all time great measurable attributes, that they were less likely to be able to coach. Essentially a few coaches here are basically demonstrating a similar behavior that many coaches, GMs and Owners showed decades ago with respect to black quarterbacks/black head coaches. Assuming that success was due to observable measurables, and not things such as hard work, skilled technique, being a student of the game etc. For fun, one can easily search youtube for many videos showing Moss and his top notch technique and route running, and Deion coaching/teaching technique. But you know.. .why use evidence when one can have an opinion?? |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 24, 2023 13:30:49 GMT -6
Jesus {censored} christ. This {censored} argument thread is back?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 24, 2023 13:37:30 GMT -6
Jesus {censored} christ. This {censored} argument thread is back? It had gone cold..until someone posted about Coach Sander's health issues.... (just busting chops) |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 24, 2023 13:41:35 GMT -6
Jesus {censored} christ. This {censored} argument thread is back? It had gone cold..until someone posted about Coach Sander's health issues.... (just busting chops) I'm far more interested in if he'd get a foot amputated than people speculating on his coaching ability while taking thinly veiled racial shots at each other. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 24, 2023 14:19:30 GMT -6
It had gone cold..until someone posted about Coach Sander's health issues.... (just busting chops) I'm far more interested in if he'd get a foot amputated than people speculating on his coaching ability while taking thinly veiled racial shots at each other. Thinly Veiled? I am hoping that those who are reading the "I wouldn't want Deion or Randy Moss to coach for me- they were fast and athletic" comments don't see any veils at all. Likewise, I hope when they read my comments that some coaches here sound like the coaches, GMs and Owners that caused Warren Moon to go to the CFL, and who believed that blacks couldn't play quarterback because it was a thinking position don't find them veiled. |
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Post by jg78 on Jun 24, 2023 14:26:36 GMT -6
You assume a lot, coachd.
Y’all have at it. I’m out.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 24, 2023 14:30:26 GMT -6
You assume a lot, coachd. Y’all have at it. I’m out. Nothing to assume coach. The multiple coaches (not just me) in this thread who have stated that your comments and opinions seem potentially a bit racist and are definitely prejudicial and certainly help perpetuate the stereotypes that have plagued black quarterbacks and coaches come straight from the words you have typed. |
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Post by jg78 on Jun 24, 2023 15:24:11 GMT -6
Nonsense.
I said they were freakishly talented. You’re the one who extrapolated race from that. Can white athletes not be freakishly talented? Is the reason there are no white cornerbacks in the NFL is because everyone is prejudiced against them, like black quarterbacks years ago?
Would it offset my prejudice if I thought Tim Tebow would struggle in the NFL because it’s harder to line up and run over people in the NFL and his passing would get exposed? Is it okay to say that about a white QB but not a black one?
I mentioned two players. TWO players.
Jerry Rice is the GOAT WR, and I would have hired him any day to coach my WR’s. No one questions Rice’s intangibles. No one. His work ethic, etc. is legendary. Do they question Moss’s? Uh, yeah. Before he even entered the league because he had had scholarships pulled at ND and FSU for stupid behavior. He was known to take plays off and much of his production came from just outathleting everyone.
Deion played one of the simplest positions of all time. Go blanket that one guy, and he did so with excellent speed to his advantage.
If I said I would prefer Ray Lewis over Deion as my DC because (as a MLB) he had a lot more responsibility on his shoulders and was well known for his chess matches against Peyton Manning, would that make me less prejudiced?
None of us has been on a board with Moss and Deion. Maybe they are chalkboard savants or maybe they are clueless. But there are valid reasons to question (just question) if either has a high level of knowledge, maturity, and work ethic to be a good coach at the Power 5 or NFL level.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 24, 2023 16:19:20 GMT -6
Nonsense. I said they were freakishly talented. You’re the one who extrapolated race from that. Can white athletes not be freakishly talented? Is the reason there are no white cornerbacks in the NFL is because everyone is prejudiced against them, like black quarterbacks years ago? Would it offset my prejudice if I thought Tim Tebow would struggle in the NFL because it’s harder to line up and run over people in the NFL and his passing would get exposed? Is it okay to say that about a white QB but not a black one? I mentioned two players. TWO players. Jerry Rice is the GOAT WR, and I would have hired him any day to coach my WR’s. No one questions Rice’s intangibles. No one. His work ethic, etc. is legendary. Do they question Moss’s? Uh, yeah. Before he even entered the league because he had had scholarships pulled at ND and FSU for stupid behavior. He was known to take plays off and much of his production came from just outathleting everyone. Deion played one of the simplest positions of all time. Go blanket that one guy, and he did so with excellent speed to his advantage. If I said I would prefer Ray Lewis over Deion as my DC because (as a MLB) he had a lot more responsibility on his shoulders and was well known for his chess matches against Peyton Manning, would that make me less prejudiced? None of us has been on a board with Moss and Deion. Maybe they are chalkboard savants or maybe they are clueless. But there are valid reasons to question (just question) if either has a high level of knowledge, maturity, and work ethic to be a good coach at the Power 5 or NFL level. When you need to get out of a whole, start by putting down the shovel... Throughout this you have constantly talked about Deion playing a "simple position" and excelling because he was fast indicating that he wasn't likely to be a good coach as compared to someone who was slow. This begs the question...how on Earth has Andy Reid been successful mentoring Donovan McNabb, Alex Smith, Brett Favre, Patrick Mahomes et. all. Since you are saying that Deion couldn't be a good coach because his skill set wasn't the same as those he was coaching--that CERTAINLY would apply to Reid and QBs right? Bill Walsh played TE and and DE at San Jose...its a miracle Ken Anderson and Joe Montana could even lace up their cleats. Belichick Played TE and Center. How on Earth did he end up coordinating Big Blue's defense? Get the point? You seem to be making your predictions as if Sanders was being timewarped from 1994 straight to Boulder. You seem to be making your statements as if we were discussing 17 year old Randy Moss. You constantly have questioned Sander's and Moss's knowledge- even when evidence was given that one of the highest regarded football coaches in history thought extremely highly of Moss's football IQ. Lastly, you wrapped your above post by questioning the maturity of two grown men who are NFL hall of famers, and have had distinguished careers around football since they retired. Odd choice. |
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Post by tog on Jun 24, 2023 17:16:20 GMT -6
Enough Political bs.
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