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Post by silkyice on May 25, 2023 17:25:54 GMT -6
You're saying the coach-manager with the best players ("right place-right time") usually wins? Who'da thunk it? As for being a "math thing" - hmm, could be. Right place-right time doesn't necessarily mean the best players. It means the right mixture of events (players, management, coaching, other...) It could mean Drew Brees with Sean Payton in New Orleans instead of at Miami. I may be in the minority, but I don't think he would have had the same success there with Nick Saban/anyone else that he did with Payton. It could mean Frank Solich taking over at a time when fan pressure/entertainment value was changing. It could mean any number of different converging events. My point was just that maybe the fact that to be considered one of the "best" coaches is interdependent on many events mathematically it isn't going to occur often. Then throw in some more probability factors such as the vast majority of coaches were not considered the best players, and now you have a tiny percentage of coaches with the opportunity to land in a rare "right place, right time" situation. Maybe that math has something to do with it as opposed to just the standard "can't relate to average players" reasoning. Right place, right time really resonates with my thoughts about Deion. Portal, NIL, Social media, glitz, glam, height of coolness, Aflac commercials with Saban, Primetime. Coach Prime. But even more than that, have you actually listened to what he says? He is as old school as they come. Right time - definitely. We will see about right place. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 25, 2023 17:59:51 GMT -6
Right place-right time doesn't necessarily mean the best players. It means the right mixture of events (players, management, coaching, other...) It could mean Drew Brees with Sean Payton in New Orleans instead of at Miami. I may be in the minority, but I don't think he would have had the same success there with Nick Saban/anyone else that he did with Payton. It could mean Frank Solich taking over at a time when fan pressure/entertainment value was changing. It could mean any number of different converging events. My point was just that maybe the fact that to be considered one of the "best" coaches is interdependent on many events mathematically it isn't going to occur often. Then throw in some more probability factors such as the vast majority of coaches were not considered the best players, and now you have a tiny percentage of coaches with the opportunity to land in a rare "right place, right time" situation. Maybe that math has something to do with it as opposed to just the standard "can't relate to average players" reasoning. Right place, right time really resonates with my thoughts about Deion. Portal, NIL, Social media, glitz, glam, height of coolness, Aflac commercials with Saban, Primetime. Coach Prime. But even more than that, have you actually listened to what he says? He is as old school as they come. Right time - definitely. We will see about right place. I think there has been a lot of prejudice regarding Sanders, some of it coming from coaches on this board. People are making judgements and comments but haven't bothered knowing the actual situation. As you mentioned, he seems quite old school when you hear first hand accounts. Put one kid off because the kid refused to wear the socks the rest of the team was told to wear. Asked his running back room "If it is 4th and goal from the 2, who is getting the ball" and nobody stepped up and answered. Sanders later told someone "that told me all I need to know about the guys in that room". They may not be a very successful team, but how is that any different than the last 5 coaches? |
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Post by tog on May 25, 2023 18:16:44 GMT -6
There was a reason DFW coaches hated him when he was with prime prep academy. I have nothing good to say about the guy.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 25, 2023 18:24:46 GMT -6
Right place, right time really resonates with my thoughts about Deion. Portal, NIL, Social media, glitz, glam, height of coolness, Aflac commercials with Saban, Primetime. Coach Prime. But even more than that, have you actually listened to what he says? He is as old school as they come. Right time - definitely. We will see about right place. I think there has been a lot of prejudice regarding Sanders, some of it coming from coaches on this board. People are making judgements and comments but haven't bothered knowing the actual situation. As you mentioned, he seems quite old school when you hear first hand accounts. Put one kid off because the kid refused to wear the socks the rest of the team was told to wear. Asked his running back room "If it is 4th and goal from the 2, who is getting the ball" and nobody stepped up and answered. Sanders later told someone "that told me all I need to know about the guys in that room". They may not be a very successful team, but how is that any different than the last 5 coaches? People can say what they want about him, and some or all of it might be true, but he is spot on with that 4 and 2 thing with the RB room. I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that isn't a good sign, but still. You'd want at least ONE guy to step up to the plate and say "ME, coach" |
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Post by tog on May 25, 2023 19:58:48 GMT -6
I think there has been a lot of prejudice regarding Sanders, some of it coming from coaches on this board. People are making judgements and comments but haven't bothered knowing the actual situation. As you mentioned, he seems quite old school when you hear first hand accounts. Put one kid off because the kid refused to wear the socks the rest of the team was told to wear. Asked his running back room "If it is 4th and goal from the 2, who is getting the ball" and nobody stepped up and answered. Sanders later told someone "that told me all I need to know about the guys in that room". They may not be a very successful team, but how is that any different than the last 5 coaches? People can say what they want about him, and some or all of it might be true, but he is spot on with that 4 and 2 thing with the RB room. I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that isn't a good sign, but still. You'd want at least ONE guy to step up to the plate and say "ME, coach" I remember a kid that got signed, and then had an injury, my d1 coaches honored his scholarship. Meant a lot to me. This is the opposite. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 25, 2023 20:04:22 GMT -6
People can say what they want about him, and some or all of it might be true, but he is spot on with that 4 and 2 thing with the RB room. I guess it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that isn't a good sign, but still. You'd want at least ONE guy to step up to the plate and say "ME, coach" I remember a kid that got signed, and then had an injury, my d1 coaches honored his scholarship. Meant a lot to me. This is the opposite. Coach- that sounds like an apples to broccoli comparison. Also keep in mind you are a “ehem” one of us mature coaches. What was the scholarship limit back then? Quite possibly it is different than today. Also quite possible that his grant in aid was shipped off the athletic books if he was injured such that he would never play- and he wasn’t a “counter” Also- and I may be wrong here, but I haven’t seen reports that he was telling kids their grant in aids were not getting renewed. It seems much more like he was telling players on a historically poor performing team - “hey, I don’t think you are as good as the players I am bringing in. You won’t play here. Do yourself a favor, take advantage of the new rules, and find a spot to play somewhere else” |
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Post by echoofthewhistle on May 26, 2023 3:55:15 GMT -6
There are signs such from his HS coaching career, Prime Prep, and not winning a Celebration Bowl. To be clear there a solid chance he successful, consistent bowl team, but it not the slam dunk some people are making it out as. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2023 6:15:16 GMT -6
There are signs such from his HS coaching career, Prime Prep, and not winning a Celebration Bowl. To be clear there a solid chance he successful, consistent bowl team, but it not the slam dunk some people are making it out as. Prime Prep is a valid criticism- It shows that a decade ago Sanders got himself involved in something that he didn't really understand, and likely for the wrong reason (high school educational setting while his purpose was to feature athletics). He was probably trying to set up something for his son. I would argue that doesn't really apply here. He isn't founding CU. He isn't involved in CU in any capacity other than trying to win football games, just like the other 132 FBS coaches. He isn't entering a situation substantially different than other institutions (Charter School with plans to feature athletics compared to traditional public and private schools). Prime Prep seems like an example of the tail wagging the dog - that isn't what is happening here. Failing to win a Celebration Bowl in his two years at JSU? I don't agree that would be a valid indicator of future lack of success as a college football coach. I also haven't seen many say it is a slam dunk either. I think Sanders is a pretty intelligent person from all accounts, and that he would agree with silkyice 's assessments that the "Prime Factor" will have to take hold quickly to be a success story. I don't think Sander's himself thinks that a 4/5 year slow rebuilding of the program is the model here. But again, I don't see how it could really be much worse than the previous 5 coaches. Who knows, maybe this roster turnover will be worse- and they will be blown out by 40 pts/game instead of 29. I will say that after reading the recent ESPN article/interview with former Auburn coach Bryan Harsin, Sanders seems like a MUCH better hire than Harsin was at Auburn. |
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Post by silkyice on May 26, 2023 6:23:48 GMT -6
There are signs such from his HS coaching career, Prime Prep, and not winning a Celebration Bowl. To be clear there a solid chance he successful, consistent bowl team, but it not the slam dunk some people are making it out as. Prime Prep is a valid criticism- It shows that a decade ago Sanders got himself involved in something that he didn't really understand, and likely for the wrong reason (high school educational setting while his purpose was to feature athletics). He was probably trying to set up something for his son. I would argue that doesn't really apply here. He isn't founding CU. He isn't involved in CU in any capacity other than trying to win football games, just like the other 132 FBS coaches. He isn't entering a situation substantially different than other institutions (Charter School with plans to feature athletics compared to traditional public and private schools). Prime Prep seems like an example of the tail wagging the dog - that isn't what is happening here. Failing to win a Celebration Bowl in his two years at JSU? I don't agree that would be a valid indicator of future lack of success as a college football coach. I also haven't seen many say it is a slam dunk either. I think Sanders is a pretty intelligent person from all accounts, and that he would agree with silkyice 's assessments that the "Prime Factor" will have to take hold quickly to be a success story. I will say that after reading the recent ESPN article/interview with former Auburn coach Bryan Harsin, Sanders seems like a MUCH better hire than Harsin was at Auburn. Would love to have had Coach Prime at Auburn. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2023 6:44:24 GMT -6
Prime Prep is a valid criticism- It shows that a decade ago Sanders got himself involved in something that he didn't really understand, and likely for the wrong reason (high school educational setting while his purpose was to feature athletics). He was probably trying to set up something for his son. I would argue that doesn't really apply here. He isn't founding CU. He isn't involved in CU in any capacity other than trying to win football games, just like the other 132 FBS coaches. He isn't entering a situation substantially different than other institutions (Charter School with plans to feature athletics compared to traditional public and private schools). Prime Prep seems like an example of the tail wagging the dog - that isn't what is happening here. Failing to win a Celebration Bowl in his two years at JSU? I don't agree that would be a valid indicator of future lack of success as a college football coach. I also haven't seen many say it is a slam dunk either. I think Sanders is a pretty intelligent person from all accounts, and that he would agree with silkyice 's assessments that the "Prime Factor" will have to take hold quickly to be a success story. I will say that after reading the recent ESPN article/interview with former Auburn coach Bryan Harsin, Sanders seems like a MUCH better hire than Harsin was at Auburn. Would love to have had Coach Prime at Auburn. Many of my friends on the Plains agree with you. Regarding Harsin--based on his own thoughts, words, and actions- it seems like his hiring may be one of the worsts examples of "bad fit" in a long time. In the recent article I mentioned - he is quoted as telling Chris Peterson That just doesn't mesh in a league whose unofficial motto is "It just means more". |
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Post by echoofthewhistle on May 26, 2023 6:50:47 GMT -6
Failing to win a Celebration Bowl in his two years at JSU? I don't agree that would be a valid indicator of future lack of success as a college football coach. He was at JSU 3 years, although one of those was COVID season. The celebration Bowl is a concern for me because he had the more talented team both years and one of them was being blown out to a 7-5 team. As to how it could get worse. While last year CU was awful they at least had a full team of scholarship athletes, and while understand Sanders is currently taking advantage of rule opening that after this will likely, no limit on players in as long as players head out, the risk is you don't fill it short cycle with kids with limited eligibility remaining and your like Kansas from a few years ago with 50 scholarship players. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2023 7:21:11 GMT -6
Failing to win a Celebration Bowl in his two years at JSU? I don't agree that would be a valid indicator of future lack of success as a college football coach. He was at JSU 3 years, although one of those was COVID season. The celebration Bowl is a concern for me because he had the more talented team both years and one of them was being blown out to a 7-5 team. While last year CU was awful they at least had a full team of scholarship athletes, and while understand Sanders is currently taking advantage of rule opening that after this will likely, no limit on players in as long as players head out, the risk is you don't fill it short cycle with kids with limited eligibility remaining and your like Kansas from a few years ago with 50 scholarship players. Why does everyone state with certainty that his JSU teams were "the more talented team". Heralded recruits? Sure. But heralded 18 year olds vs less heralded 21/22 year old players aren't always better at that moment in time. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2023 8:54:26 GMT -6
He was at JSU 3 years, although one of those was COVID season. The celebration Bowl is a concern for me because he had the more talented team both years and one of them was being blown out to a 7-5 team. While last year CU was awful they at least had a full team of scholarship athletes, and while understand Sanders is currently taking advantage of rule opening that after this will likely, no limit on players in as long as players head out, the risk is you don't fill it short cycle with kids with limited eligibility remaining and your like Kansas from a few years ago with 50 scholarship players. Why does everyone state with certainty that his JSU teams were "the more talented team". Heralded recruits? Sure. But heralded 18 year olds vs less heralded 21/22 year old players aren't always better at that moment in time. Wasn't JSU ranked like 4 or 5 in the 1AA rankings last year before the Celebration Bowl? They were favored by 14 points. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2023 9:18:32 GMT -6
Why does everyone state with certainty that his JSU teams were "the more talented team". Heralded recruits? Sure. But heralded 18 year olds vs less heralded 21/22 year old players aren't always better at that moment in time. Wasn't JSU ranked like 4 or 5 in the 1AA rankings last year before the Celebration Bowl? They were favored by 14 points. And the 2007 Patriots were ranked #1 and were regarded as the greatest team in the history of football on any level before February 3, 2008. Guess that Belichick guy is suspect. The 2009 Sugarbowl saw a 11 point underdog Utah dismantle Alabama, beginning the downfall of the Saban era at Bama. Since that humbling, Bama has only managed 6 FBS championships. I am not sure I would say being "upset" by a team others declare inferior is necessarily grounds for concern about a potential coaching hire. Will Coach Sanders have the hoped for success at CU? Who knows. But it is quite evident that the fact that he is brash, confident, and black leads to increased scrutiny. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2023 9:24:34 GMT -6
Wasn't JSU ranked like 4 or 5 in the 1AA rankings last year before the Celebration Bowl? They were favored by 14 points. And the 2007 Patriots were ranked #1 and were regarded as the greatest team in the history of football on any level before February 3, 2008. Guess that Belichick guy is suspect. The 2009 Sugarbowl saw a 11 point underdog Utah dismantle Alabama, beginning the downfall of the Saban era at Bama. Since that humbling, Bama has only managed 6 FBS championships. I am not sure I would say being "upset" by a team others declare inferior is necessarily grounds for concern about a potential coaching hire. Will Coach Sanders have the hoped for success at CU? Who knows. But it is quite evident that the fact that he is brash, confident, and black leads to increased scrutiny. Comparing guys who have won multiple championships at their highest level and failed once, to a guy who has never won a big game at his highest level and was beaten by an inferior opponent both times is not the gotcha you think it is. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2023 9:34:49 GMT -6
And the 2007 Patriots were ranked #1 and were regarded as the greatest team in the history of football on any level before February 3, 2008. Guess that Belichick guy is suspect. The 2009 Sugarbowl saw a 11 point underdog Utah dismantle Alabama, beginning the downfall of the Saban era at Bama. Since that humbling, Bama has only managed 6 FBS championships. I am not sure I would say being "upset" by a team others declare inferior is necessarily grounds for concern about a potential coaching hire. Will Coach Sanders have the hoped for success at CU? Who knows. But it is quite evident that the fact that he is brash, confident, and black leads to increased scrutiny. Comparing guys who have won multiple championships at their highest level and failed once, to a guy who has never won a big game at his highest level and was beaten by an inferior opponent both times is not the gotcha you think it is. It is even more so isn't it. As it highlights how ridiculous it is to point to an upset and use it as supportive evidence that a coach isn't going to have future success since such things happen to those considered on the top shelf. Sander's likely won't be one of the greatest coaches of all time. CU likely won't be a CFP contender. Most coaches are not considered one of the greatest, and most teams are not competing for the CFP. silkyice Why would you want this guy coaching at Auburn? He didn't win the Celebration Bowl when favored. What is really comical is that if he stated publicly "I know CU is not Bama. I know that CU is not Ohio State. Therefore I am going to run the triple option offense" the amount of Huey member's keyboards that would have to be deep cleaned would be high. |
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Post by coachdmyers on May 26, 2023 10:38:07 GMT -6
Being one of the greatest to ever play your position requires a certain skill set.
Being a great head coach requires a different skill set.
Both skill sets are extremely rare.
The odds that someone has both is therefore even more rare.
What being a great player does, though, is give you access. It makes it easier to get into coaching at a high level.
It's possible to be a mediocre coach at a high level and have success because of your talent or your "right place, right time".
We know Deion has the skillset of a great player. We have not yet seen if he has the skillset of a great head coach. It is fun to speculate though. I personally am not high on him based on what he's done, but what do I know?
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2023 11:19:21 GMT -6
God damn it. I fell into the trap again.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2023 11:31:08 GMT -6
God damn it. I fell into the trap again. The "trap" of making comments that might pass the sniff test at a bar when everyone is 2 rounds in, but don't hold up to any type of actual counter point? Sure, that sounds about right. If you really truly believe that saying "Well, JSU was a decent favorite in the Celebration Bowl, therefore those three hours and their loss are valid reasons to have concerns about Coach Sander's future at CU" you get the "come on man" award for the Month. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2023 12:08:41 GMT -6
God damn it. I fell into the trap again. The "trap" of making comments that might pass the sniff test at a bar when everyone is 2 rounds in, but don't hold up to any type of actual counter point? Sure, that sounds about right. If you really truly believe that saying "Well, JSU was a decent favorite in the Celebration Bowl, therefore those three hours and their loss are valid reasons to have concerns about Coach Sander's future at CU" you get the "come on man" award for the Month. No, the trap of every thing you post on you try to turn into debate time. You love to argue. It seems to be the only reason you're here. And I fell into it again. My bad. Until I fall again, have a good day. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 26, 2023 12:25:21 GMT -6
The "trap" of making comments that might pass the sniff test at a bar when everyone is 2 rounds in, but don't hold up to any type of actual counter point? Sure, that sounds about right. If you really truly believe that saying "Well, JSU was a decent favorite in the Celebration Bowl, therefore those three hours and their loss are valid reasons to have concerns about Coach Sander's future at CU" you get the "come on man" award for the Month. No, the trap of every thing you post on you try to turn into debate time. You love to argue. It seems to be the only reason you're here. And I fell into it again. My bad. Until I fall again, have a good day. And your posts weren't argumentative? Why bother posting something about the JSU betting line in the celebration bowl? |
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Post by tog on May 26, 2023 17:56:44 GMT -6
I remember a kid that got signed, and then had an injury, my d1 coaches honored his scholarship. Meant a lot to me. This is the opposite. Coach- that sounds like an apples to broccoli comparison. Also keep in mind you are a “ehem” one of us mature coaches. What was the scholarship limit back then? Quite possibly it is different than today. Also quite possible that his grant in aid was shipped off the athletic books if he was injured such that he would never play- and he wasn’t a “counter” Also- and I may be wrong here, but I haven’t seen reports that he was telling kids their grant in aids were not getting renewed. It seems much more like he was telling players on a historically poor performing team - “hey, I don’t think you are as good as the players I am bringing in. You won’t play here. Do yourself a favor, take advantage of the new rules, and find a spot to play somewhere else” he is a self serving assholle, heard it from multiple mommas he was trying to get their kids to come to "school" with him there wasn't any "school" and I don't care if he didn't know about how it worked or not, his intentions were ALL about him, didn't give two shiits about the kids. EVERY coach in DFW knew about it and hated his ass. Funny how he wasn't allowed to show up to and wouldn't have been allowed to come to NTFCA clinics. |
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Post by coachbb on May 26, 2023 18:48:30 GMT -6
TOG remembers all about "Prime Prep"!
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Post by jg78 on May 27, 2023 15:19:36 GMT -6
It helps the transition if the player was great due to his aptitude rather than his freak ability. I would rather have Hunter Renfrow, who looks like an accountant but somehow plays WR in the NFL, coaching my WR’s than Randy Moss - who was just taller, faster, and could out jump everyone he faced.
People who were overachievers as players usually make the best coaches.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2023 15:52:29 GMT -6
It helps the transition if the player was great due to his aptitude rather than his freak ability. I would rather have Hunter Renfrow, who looks like an accountant but somehow plays WR in the NFL, coaching my WR’s than Randy Moss - who was just taller, faster, and could out jump everyone he faced. People who were overachievers as players usually make the best coaches. Belichick on record regarding Moss |
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Post by jg78 on May 27, 2023 16:24:58 GMT -6
Coaches normally don’t disparage former players, and Randy Moss isn’t playing in the NFL with Renfrow’s physical tools.
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Post by larrymoe on May 27, 2023 16:48:42 GMT -6
It helps the transition if the player was great due to his aptitude rather than his freak ability. I would rather have Hunter Renfrow, who looks like an accountant but somehow plays WR in the NFL, coaching my WR’s than Randy Moss - who was just taller, faster, and could out jump everyone he faced. People who were overachievers as players usually make the best coaches. Ted Williams was one of th greatest hitters of all time and reportedly one of the smartest hitters ever. He literally wrote the book on hitting. He was a horrible hitting coach. |
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Post by jg78 on May 27, 2023 17:10:05 GMT -6
It helps the transition if the player was great due to his aptitude rather than his freak ability. I would rather have Hunter Renfrow, who looks like an accountant but somehow plays WR in the NFL, coaching my WR’s than Randy Moss - who was just taller, faster, and could out jump everyone he faced. People who were overachievers as players usually make the best coaches. Ted Williams was one of th greatest hitters of all time and reportedly one of the smartest hitters ever. He literally wrote the book on hitting. He was a horrible hitting coach. Nevermind. My statement that overachieving players who excel at the mental game usually make the best coaches has been completely refuted. |
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Post by coachd5085 on May 27, 2023 18:30:11 GMT -6
Coaches normally don’t disparage former players, and Randy Moss isn’t playing in the NFL with Renfrow’s physical tools.  What? How does Belichick's praise of Moss's football acumen merit that response. It wasn't as if someone asked Belichick "hey, is Randy Moss stupid?" This was on the NFL 100 All Time Team show. The question posed to Belichick was "What do you think of when you think of Randy Moss". His first reaction was that quote. He could have easily said "one of the most gifted players I have ever coached" Or "One of the most physically blessed players I have ever coached", and both would have been accurate and neither would ever be considered "disparaging" as you suggested. Instead his drop of hat, first instinct was to praise the football IQ of Moss. Sure, Hunter Renfro might be a better coach than either Moss or Sanders. Or maybe not. But I gotta say, the assumptions and dogwhistles made on this board (and in this thread in particular)... pretty disappointing. larrymoe Just for fun, but I found this information regarding Williams as a hitting coach Can I ask what supports your statement that he was a horrible hitting coach? |
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Post by silkyice on May 27, 2023 18:50:03 GMT -6
Coaches normally don’t disparage former players, and Randy Moss isn’t playing in the NFL with Renfrow’s physical tools. What? How does Belichick's praise of Moss's football acumen merit that response. It wasn't as if someone asked Belichick "hey, is Randy Moss stupid?" This was on the NFL 100 All Time Team show. The question posed to Belichick was "What do you think of when you think of Randy Moss". His first reaction was that quote. He could have easily said "one of the most gifted players I have ever coached" Or "One of the most physically blessed players I have ever coached", and both would have been accurate and neither would ever be considered "disparaging" as you suggested. Instead his drop of hat, first instinct was to praise the football IQ of Moss. Sure, Hunter Renfro might be a better coach than either Moss or Sanders. Or maybe not. But I gotta say, the assumptions and dogwhistles made on this board (and in this thread in particular)... pretty disappointing. larrymoe Just for fun, but I found this information regarding Williams as a hitting coach Can I ask what supports your statement that he was a horrible hitting coach? I don't know who would be the actual better "coach" in the way I think we are describing this. Which I think is the guy that can technically teach his position better or techniques better. I will concede the point that guys that can "just do it" are sometimes not the best teachers. Sometimes. But, I coached with a guy who was the number 4 draft pick in the NFL and was voted best Alabama defensive lineman of all time. I guarantee that no one who has ever been on this board can coach the d line better than him. Like 100% guarantee it. Ultimate at teaching every single little detail and technique. Positive. Encouraging. Repped the heck out of everything. Demanding. Tough as hell on the them and loved by them. Our guys were learning things (and executing them) that I would bet some of you have never even seen. BUT, that is not even close to what is going on here. I could care less if Coach Prime can teach any football skills or put together a defense/offense. I think he can, but it is irrelevant. The number 1 job of any head college coach is recruiting. Y'all think Hunter Renfroe can do that better? Number 2 is running an organization. This is where my concern "could" be. We will see. Number 3 is motivation/personality. He has that down. So 1 and 3 I give him A++ on. Number 2, time will tell. |
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What? How does Belichick's praise of Moss's football acumen merit that response. It wasn't as if someone asked Belichick "hey, is Randy Moss stupid?"