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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2019 17:52:14 GMT -6
Yeah, it is pretty cool, but as I mentioned, it is causing a bit of a backlash when compared to articles like this www.wbrz.com/news/lsu-in-disrepair-hundreds-of-millions-needed-to-fix-facilities/Which report that due to budget cuts to higher ed by the previous governor, LSU facilities and infrastructure are quickly approaching decrepit status and will require hundreds of millions of dollars in maintenance and repair. Essentially it is a tricky situation because while the complaints about the football locker room renovation are misguided (LSU's Tiger Athletic Foundation (TAF) is separate from the University and LSU athletics (largely due to football) is completely self sufficient and in fact reportedly gives more money to the University than any other sports program in the country--the counter argument that without the Purple and Gold trimming and LSU on the helmet that nobody would care or buy tickets is equally valid. That has always been my argument to those saying the players should be paid. If the same group of 18-24 year old men showed up at a Baton Rouge playground park as the Baton Rouge Rough Riders to play semi pro ball against the umm Tuscaloosa Venom they wouldn't sell any tickets, and if you and I and the old unathletic schmoes from this board ran out of the tunnel onto Tiger Stadium in purple and gold or Crimson and White it would be a sell out. I understand your point but I don’t think it’s as simple as you make it in your last statement. I think the popularity of college football is built on both tradition and athletic excellence. The fact that people love their schools’ heritage is important but I believe people are also drawn to the elite level of experience and athleticism involved in the endeavor. I think it is all relative though. Sure, if it were me and you running out of the tunnel at Tiger Stadium and getting walloped by the actual players at Ole Miss, A&M, Auburn etc..things would get dicey pretty quick. It wasn't too long ago.. well, wait, yeah it was a while ago...wow..age... when anyone who looked like a student could walk into LSU stadium free of charge through the student section. So your point on that is valid, but I also think it is relative. If every school was forced to play with their actual student population, as opposed to athletes with "special" enrollment privileges, and LSU was still winning 11 games a season, the money would still flow. If the avg 40 time for an NCAA DB was 5.2 and LSU was still winning 11 games a year, and Patrick Peterson, Tyrann Mathieu etc. would running 4.4s for the ficticious Baton Rouge Rough Riders... LSU is still getting 110,000 on a Saturday Night and nobody is going to see Peterson or Mathieu play at some park. CS I don't agree with your assertion that fans would start going to see the Rough Riders and support them over LSU. |
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Post by Defcord on Aug 3, 2019 18:35:46 GMT -6
I understand your point but I don’t think it’s as simple as you make it in your last statement. I think the popularity of college football is built on both tradition and athletic excellence. The fact that people love their schools’ heritage is important but I believe people are also drawn to the elite level of experience and athleticism involved in the endeavor. I think it is all relative though. Sure, if it were me and you running out of the tunnel at Tiger Stadium and getting walloped by the actual players at Ole Miss, A&M, Auburn etc..things would get dicey pretty quick. It wasn't too long ago.. well, wait, yeah it was a while ago...wow..age... when anyone who looked like a student could walk into LSU stadium free of charge through the student section. So your point on that is valid, but I also think it is relative. If every school was forced to play with their actual student population, as opposed to athletes with "special" enrollment privileges, and LSU was still winning 11 games a season, the money would still flow. If the avg 40 time for an NCAA DB was 5.2 and LSU was still winning 11 games a year, and Patrick Peterson, Tyrann Mathieu etc. would running 4.4s for the ficticious Baton Rouge Rough Riders... LSU is still getting 110,000 on a Saturday Night and nobody is going to see Peterson or Mathieu play at some park. CS I don't agree with your assertion that fans would start going to see the Rough Riders and support them over LSU. I think it’s the combination of both. I don’t think they can be separated. Pro football is the most popular professional league which goes to the point that people want to see the elite athletes. But they also aren’t drawing 100,000+ like college because of the tradition and link. In your hypothetical I think there would be an effect that saw the semi pro teams grow in popularity significantly and the popularity of college athletics drop noticeably. I am a Hoosier fan so I should be an expert in 5.2 forties and athletes looking like normal student population. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2019 19:25:55 GMT -6
I think it is all relative though. Sure, if it were me and you running out of the tunnel at Tiger Stadium and getting walloped by the actual players at Ole Miss, A&M, Auburn etc..things would get dicey pretty quick. It wasn't too long ago.. well, wait, yeah it was a while ago...wow..age... when anyone who looked like a student could walk into LSU stadium free of charge through the student section. So your point on that is valid, but I also think it is relative. If every school was forced to play with their actual student population, as opposed to athletes with "special" enrollment privileges, and LSU was still winning 11 games a season, the money would still flow. If the avg 40 time for an NCAA DB was 5.2 and LSU was still winning 11 games a year, and Patrick Peterson, Tyrann Mathieu etc. would running 4.4s for the ficticious Baton Rouge Rough Riders... LSU is still getting 110,000 on a Saturday Night and nobody is going to see Peterson or Mathieu play at some park. CS I don't agree with your assertion that fans would start going to see the Rough Riders and support them over LSU. I think it’s the combination of both. I don’t think they can be separated. Pro football is the most popular professional league which goes to the point that people want to see the elite athletes. But they also aren’t drawing 100,000+ like college because of the tradition and link. In your hypothetical I think there would be an effect that saw the semi pro teams grow in popularity significantly and the popularity of college athletics drop noticeably. I am a Hoosier fan so I should be an expert in 5.2 forties and athletes looking like normal student population. Yeah, but the problem is that IU has to compete against OSU, That school up North, Michigan State lol. As far as the never (in the immediate future) testable hypothesis, we will just have to disagree. I don't think the Rough Riders would gain that traction. |
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Post by center on Aug 3, 2019 19:43:35 GMT -6
I thought the last episode has a couple of poignant moments when the Garden City and Iowa Central coaches opened up about what junior college coaching was all about.
I saw the Garden City coach in a little different light then.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 8, 2019 20:32:53 GMT -6
Former "Last Chance U" featured player from EMCC Ronald Ollie was in the Raiders' training camp. He is featured in Episode 1 of the current season of "Hard Knocks" on HBO. Got cut before the end of the episode.
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Post by klaby on Aug 9, 2019 8:30:12 GMT -6
Former "Last Chance U" featured player from EMCC Ronald Ollie was in the Raiders' training camp. He is featured in Episode 1 of the current season of "Hard Knocks" on HBO. Got cut before the end of the episode. He was the same lazy POS he was in the 1st season and Gruden doesn't have time to babysit! |
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Post by wolverine55 on Aug 9, 2019 9:30:26 GMT -6
Ollie wasn't all that different than Kam, truth be told. He just had a goofier, somewhat more likable personality.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 28, 2020 18:39:34 GMT -6
New season was just released on Netflix today. I'm three episodes in. Anyone else watching?
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Post by fadepattern on Jul 28, 2020 20:38:21 GMT -6
Three episodes in. Its refreshing that the head coach is not like Buddy Stephens or Jason Brown.
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Post by fantom on Jul 28, 2020 20:55:47 GMT -6
New season was just released on Netflix today. I'm three episodes in. Anyone else watching? Just saw the first episode. Not quite the same sense of entitlement. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 29, 2020 4:49:03 GMT -6
I'm rooting for Dior Walker-Scott. He's my favorite player in the entire series so far. I hope he makes it.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 29, 2020 4:49:37 GMT -6
Three episodes in. Its refreshing that the head coach is not like Buddy Stephens or Jason Brown. Coach Beam seems like a genuinely good guy. |
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Post by pvogel on Jul 29, 2020 8:16:40 GMT -6
New season was just released on Netflix today. I'm three episodes in. Anyone else watching? Just saw the first episode. Not quite the same sense of entitlement. From the coaches or the players? haha |
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Post by pvogel on Jul 29, 2020 8:18:37 GMT -6
Huge fan so far. Definitely a different vibe and its refreshing.
The first 4 seasons were fun to watch because they were such train wrecks.
But I want to watch this one for so much more and it is so much better.
Also - for this thread can we try to avoid any spoilers until like, mid august? Haha. My wife is still working so we haven't been able to quite binge it that heavily.
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Post by Defcord on Jul 29, 2020 8:20:18 GMT -6
I swore off the series after season two, but now you guys are tempting me to get back in.
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Post by M4 on Jul 29, 2020 8:42:12 GMT -6
definitely a different type of team and coach from the 2 episodes ive watched so far
i think partly because the players aren't D1 bounce backs, more guys who are holding on for their last chance of football. I dig the coach so far.
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Post by CS on Aug 1, 2020 6:00:50 GMT -6
4 episodes in and this is a refreshing change of pace to the other seasons on both a coaches and player standpoint.
1)I will say it’s not as entertaining as the other seasons IMO because of no drama and general WTFs from the other seasons
2)I love listening to the DC talk “man.” He screams Cali “man.” Go get the fuking ball “man”
3) I genuinely want the players they are following to make it. The corner is the mouthy one but just acts like a corner in most programs IMO.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 1, 2020 10:50:22 GMT -6
4 episodes in and this is a refreshing change of pace to the other seasons on both a coaches and player standpoint. 1)I will say it’s not as entertaining as the other seasons IMO because of no drama and general WTFs from the other seasons 2)I love listening to the DC talk “man.” He screams Cali “man.” Go get the fuking ball “man” 3) I genuinely want the players they are following to make it. The corner is the mouthy one but just acts like a corner in most programs IMO. Drama wise it's not as entertaining but seems like they are getting more in depth on the players lives and backstories which makes it more compelling in a way. |
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Post by Defcord on Aug 1, 2020 11:00:13 GMT -6
I watched a few episodes. There’s a little more football stuff it seems like in the first couple episodes.
In one of the episodes they were filming a little bit of each of the individual periods and one of the defensive groups was using a tackling wheel to do a compression tackling that was really simple that I hadn’t seen before but liked and will use. I didn’t ever expect I would pick up an actual football drill from it.
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Post by fballcoachg on Aug 1, 2020 21:00:35 GMT -6
Episode 2 right now. Those that have seen it, pretty relatable spot all of us have been in
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Post by coachklee on Aug 3, 2020 12:22:02 GMT -6
Just through episode 1, but very refreshing that the majority of coaches are solid guys like Coach Beam & not complete ass hats like seasons 1-4.
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Still think Coach Beam’s a solid guy after watching the whole thing. I get they are working with adults, but they definitely cuss way more than staffs I’ve worked on. Wonder if I initially felt they barely cussed because Buddy or Jason did so much & definitely in a more derogatory way. Way different saying “Let’s phuk them up” or “Phuking ball out” than saying you “Phuking suck”.
Other takeaway from the whole thing is wow. Amazing how much some young men are able to overcome! In general it is refreshing to see guys not completely suck at school (although there obviously were some issues with their HS academics otherwise they likely wouldn’t of been in Laney).
I don’t know if Dior is going to make it to the NFL, but with that kind of commitment I’m sure he’ll find success...he has to.
Watching Nu’u and his kiddos with him on the side at practice reminded me of the 2 or 3 times a year my girls come to practice with me when the daycare isn’t available. Looks like he & his wife are headed down a long but eventually prosperous path.
Lastly, the cost of living in certain parts of California is insane. I really am dumbfounded by the astronomical costs of housing that certainly is a theme discussed throughout the show! Even more amazed more people don’t leave, but I guess if a place is your “home” it can be hard for some people to leave it behind.
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Post by coachsticks on Aug 3, 2020 15:26:49 GMT -6
Football aside, I thought the show’s depiction of Oakland was incredibly well done. Worth a watch for that alone, IMO.
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Post by mdunham on Aug 6, 2020 13:28:29 GMT -6
Gentrification episode best episode in the entire series any season.
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Post by wolverine55 on Aug 8, 2020 7:25:11 GMT -6
I didn't have the problem with Buddy Stephens that a lot do...but this was by far my favorite season. Yes the WRs and the CB come off as major prima donnas but that happens on pretty much any college roster, at least based on my brief experience with college ball.
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Post by kcbazooka on Aug 8, 2020 10:28:16 GMT -6
I found myself cheering for the coaches, players and teams in season 5. Not necessarily true in the first four seasons. But as another poster noted, there still is a LOT of swearing. Most high school coaches would lose their jobs if they swore that much.
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 8, 2020 12:23:16 GMT -6
This ain't high school.
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Post by kcbazooka on Aug 8, 2020 13:43:26 GMT -6
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Post by irishdog on Aug 8, 2020 20:25:28 GMT -6
I had the good fortune to meet John Beam while he was the HC at Skyline HS in Oakland. We actually coached together in 1992 when his staff and the staff I was with from Central CA were invited to coach the CA North-South Shrine game in Long Beach. What you saw of John in the latest installment of LCU is exactly the same guy who I coached with back then. He hasn't changed (except for the gray hair and fu). He cares deeply for the kids he coaches, and they are what drives his passion for the game overall. John does get into his kids heads because he wants them to know on AND off the field he is always there with them. Watching the series brought back some great memories for me, and compelled me to get back in touch with John to say hello.
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Post by CoachK on Aug 10, 2020 13:09:30 GMT -6
I found myself cheering for the coaches, players and teams in season 5. Not necessarily true in the first four seasons. But as another poster noted, there still is a LOT of swearing. Most high school coaches would lose their jobs if they swore that much. The CCCAA has a rule where you get kicked out of the game and suspended for the next one if you curse. I know kids that missed playoff games because of it. They may have changed it last year because I don't know a single Cali JUCO coach that doesn't coach like a drunk pirate. |
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