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Post by fantom on Aug 1, 2019 10:53:01 GMT -6
It's coaches like this that give the rest of us a bad name. ICC will now make a hard turn the other way, watch next season, less out of state kids, a more "touchy feely" approach. More Admin oversight... The admin is as much if not more to blame for this train wreck than anybody. They made winning above all else a priority. And fact is if JB won this year he would still be at ICC. He didn't so he is out. Anybody else notice the last episode JB was with "alex" and called him hitler 2-3 times and the kid didn't miss a beat? That was shot months before the text scandal? The kid gets disciplined and a report is filed...maybe it's the cop in me, but if you wait months to report being offended, how offended are you? Not condoning JB's actions, just looking at this with open eyes....I think the Admin needed a reason to get rid of JB because the community had turned against him and ICC and they found one. Which again speaks to the poor overall leadership at that school. Netflix had all they needed months before the kid filed his complaint, but they were either too stupid, too lazy or too inept to ask for it. The felony charges might have had something to do with firing Brown.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 1, 2019 11:20:45 GMT -6
I think the bigger mystery is how did they win games the previous season with all of that dysfunction. Is it possible that they just did not do as good of a job recruiting? That the team simply was not as talented as the year before? Previous seasons of "Last Chance U" showed some amazingly talented football players who were going to go somewhere big-time if they could get their heads on straight socially and academically. I did not get the impression that, for this season, they had that same level of talent. Again...the kid who was the #1 JUCO player in the country. You would think he would be a major storyline. But he just wasn't. I'm assuming he was not particularly productive? Why else wouldn't the people who made the show focus on him? One of the fallacies of watching TV is that the storylines match the players' talent. They showed the Johnson kid because he was literally the #1 player, but you really never heard him speak. Per this article, Independence sent guys this year to Cal, Indiana, Colorado, and Vanderbilt -- really none of whom were featured at all. 247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Last-Chance-U-Season-4-Where-are-they-now-Indy-Part-2-133771496/#133771496_9I remember a couple of years ago EMCC had basically the top JUCO OL in the country who signed with (I think) Ole Miss, and he never really got shown, and a guy off the prior year's Independence team, Calvin Jackson, is going to probably start for Leach at Washington State after catching a few TDs last year. It's really hard to know. The other thing to remember is there's a reason the program returned to both EMCC and Independence, and (I thought) in both instances the show itself had really changed the program and the players. Buddy in the second season was trying all kinds of ways to control his anger after his meltdown at the end of Season 1, and in Season 4 it certainly seemed like Brown was hamming it up for the cameras and constantly either checking twitter or drinking. The moment at the end of the last episode at the bar where Brown is trying to impress those random people that he's the head coach on some TV show they have never heard of is sad. Anyway, I found this season very depressing and at times hard to watch -- and pretty dark in its way.
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Post by mdunham on Aug 1, 2019 12:01:10 GMT -6
FWIW the President and AD at ICC already resigned. AD got a gig as AD for KC school system I think - hired by someone whom she worked with at ICC previously...
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Post by fantom on Aug 1, 2019 12:38:32 GMT -6
Brown had a lot of critics last year but you get a lot more leeway when you're winning than when you're 2-8 after aspiring to a national championship. Besides Brown's temper and his hot dogging on TV it seems to me that a lot of the local criticism of Brown and ICC is valid.
I looked at last year's roster. Independence COMMUNITY College had a total of two kids from Kansas. I understand that they were bringing in top talent but they couldn't find more than two in-state kids that can play football?
Paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for a new PRACTICE field while they were cutting academic programs and laying off staff was a bad look.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 1, 2019 13:55:36 GMT -6
Brown had a lot of critics last year but you get a lot more leeway when you're winning than when you're 2-8 after aspiring to a national championship. Besides Brown's temper and his hot dogging on TV it seems to me that a lot of the local criticism of Brown and ICC is valid. I looked at last year's roster. Independence COMMUNITY College had a total of two kids from Kansas. I understand that they were bringing in top talent but they couldn't find more than two in-state kids that can play football? Paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for a new PRACTICE field while they were cutting academic programs and laying off staff was a bad look. About 20 years ago, College of DuPage in DuPage County, Illinois (SW burbs outside of Chicago) was a national JUCO football power. Virtually every player was from out of state. It got so ridiculous that the board eventually voted to eliminate the football program.
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Post by wolverine55 on Aug 1, 2019 14:49:07 GMT -6
It seems like most JUCOs, at least the "power programs", get a majority of their players from outside their state. I've scanned the rosters of some of the other Kansas JUCOs and very few Kansas kids on those either. To their credit and this is mentioned in the show, a good number of Iowa Western and Iowa Central kids are from Iowa.
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Post by klaby on Aug 2, 2019 10:34:06 GMT -6
It's coaches like this that give the rest of us a bad name. ICC will now make a hard turn the other way, watch next season, less out of state kids, a more "touchy feely" approach. More Admin oversight... The admin is as much if not more to blame for this train wreck than anybody. They made winning above all else a priority. And fact is if JB won this year he would still be at ICC. He didn't so he is out. Anybody else notice the last episode JB was with "alex" and called him hitler 2-3 times and the kid didn't miss a beat? That was shot months before the text scandal? The kid gets disciplined and a report is filed...maybe it's the cop in me, but if you wait months to report being offended, how offended are you? Not condoning JB's actions, just looking at this with open eyes....I think the Admin needed a reason to get rid of JB because the community had turned against him and ICC and they found one. Which again speaks to the poor overall leadership at that school. Netflix had all they needed months before the kid filed his complaint, but they were either too stupid, too lazy or too inept to ask for it. The felony charges might have had something to do with firing Brown. Those came well after he was let go.
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Post by pvogel on Aug 2, 2019 11:20:17 GMT -6
****SPOILER ALERT**** Don't read any further if you haven't watched all the episodes. So, why did this season go so far off the rails for Indy? Clearly, there were serious issues at QB. None of the guys they had seemed to be very good. It seemed that the offense struggled in general. Lots of turnovers. Defensively, they had the kid who was the #1 JUCO player in the country but he did not seem to make much of an impact. In fact, the show didn't focus on him at all. I can't imagine that they weren't as talented as they were in the first season. Just wondering, from a football perspective, what exactly went wrong. 1. I thought the defense was generally solid. Felt really bad for the DC. JB was a total tool and then tried to take over the D... when he is an offensive guy. And the O was killing them far more than the D was. 2. They had multiple good players like Johnson (the #1 kid that went to Georgia) that did the right thing and aren't such dynamic tv personalities. That may be why they didn't focus on them. But theres like a half dozen other kids that went to P5 schools. 3. QB situation - bringing back Malik was awful. Of course they had no real answer there. They were bouncing around 4 guys. What in the world did their practice rep situation look like? And each had a different skill set. Your script with Jay and your script with Malik would not be the same. So I just assume that there was absolutely zero continuity. Can't operate and function like that. 4. Offensively, JB may have tried to do too much. He either didn't have good enough assistants or didn't let them work the way a proper staff should. 5. Overall, the biggest problem was cultural. It started at the top. Everyone was focused on the wrong things and it started with the HC. Absolutely no culture of accountability. Always someone else's fault. For everything. And that starts with the HC. Also too concerned with image and perception IMO. I know that editing has a lot to do with it, but there was so much time showing JB on social media and stuff reading about what people are saying (but then adamantly arguing that he doesn't give a F what people think... but clearly he does). I don't think we see him watch film at all this season. Again, I am sure he does. But it just didn't seem like the football aspect was ever the biggest deal.
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Post by pvogel on Aug 2, 2019 11:24:56 GMT -6
Brown had a lot of critics last year but you get a lot more leeway when you're winning than when you're 2-8 after aspiring to a national championship. Besides Brown's temper and his hot dogging on TV it seems to me that a lot of the local criticism of Brown and ICC is valid. I looked at last year's roster. Independence COMMUNITY College had a total of two kids from Kansas. I understand that they were bringing in top talent but they couldn't find more than two in-state kids that can play football? Paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for a new PRACTICE field while they were cutting academic programs and laying off staff was a bad look. Ya... and his tirade about how football pays for everything and funds the school is quite misguided and gives a bad look. There are points to make about the enrollment but coming across as making Notre Dame type money and influence is just moronic.
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Post by pvogel on Aug 2, 2019 11:27:44 GMT -6
One last point about the firing.
I don't think the admin was going to let him go before the Hitler remarks. It was after the reaction to it. But I was constantly baffled at how they just idly sat there and watch their school get embarrassed and misrepresented on national television.
And yes if I recall the charges were after the firing. He kept going after the media members that were reporting on his firing I believe.
What a mess though.
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Post by spreadattack on Aug 2, 2019 11:52:02 GMT -6
****SPOILER ALERT**** Don't read any further if you haven't watched all the episodes. So, why did this season go so far off the rails for Indy? Clearly, there were serious issues at QB. None of the guys they had seemed to be very good. It seemed that the offense struggled in general. Lots of turnovers. Defensively, they had the kid who was the #1 JUCO player in the country but he did not seem to make much of an impact. In fact, the show didn't focus on him at all. I can't imagine that they weren't as talented as they were in the first season. Just wondering, from a football perspective, what exactly went wrong. 1. I thought the defense was generally solid. Felt really bad for the DC. JB was a total tool and then tried to take over the D... when he is an offensive guy. And the O was killing them far more than the D was. 2. They had multiple good players like Johnson (the #1 kid that went to Georgia) that did the right thing and aren't such dynamic tv personalities. That may be why they didn't focus on them. But theres like a half dozen other kids that went to P5 schools. 3. QB situation - bringing back Malik was awful. Of course they had no real answer there. They were bouncing around 4 guys. What in the world did their practice rep situation look like? And each had a different skill set. Your script with Jay and your script with Malik would not be the same. So I just assume that there was absolutely zero continuity. Can't operate and function like that. 4. Offensively, JB may have tried to do too much. He either didn't have good enough assistants or didn't let them work the way a proper staff should. 5. Overall, the biggest problem was cultural. It started at the top. Everyone was focused on the wrong things and it started with the HC. Absolutely no culture of accountability. Always someone else's fault. For everything. And that starts with the HC. Also too concerned with image and perception IMO. I know that editing has a lot to do with it, but there was so much time showing JB on social media and stuff reading about what people are saying (but then adamantly arguing that he doesn't give a F what people think... but clearly he does). I don't think we see him watch film at all this season. Again, I am sure he does. But it just didn't seem like the football aspect was ever the biggest deal. [ The Malik Henry thing is fascinating, in part since he did seem more mature this year — and note that Henry walked on at Nevada and just won the starting job there for Jay Norvell. He certainly didn’t help himself in season 3 but it did feel like he got jerked around in season 4.
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Post by pvogel on Aug 2, 2019 12:07:32 GMT -6
1. I thought the defense was generally solid. Felt really bad for the DC. JB was a total tool and then tried to take over the D... when he is an offensive guy. And the O was killing them far more than the D was. 2. They had multiple good players like Johnson (the #1 kid that went to Georgia) that did the right thing and aren't such dynamic tv personalities. That may be why they didn't focus on them. But theres like a half dozen other kids that went to P5 schools. 3. QB situation - bringing back Malik was awful. Of course they had no real answer there. They were bouncing around 4 guys. What in the world did their practice rep situation look like? And each had a different skill set. Your script with Jay and your script with Malik would not be the same. So I just assume that there was absolutely zero continuity. Can't operate and function like that. 4. Offensively, JB may have tried to do too much. He either didn't have good enough assistants or didn't let them work the way a proper staff should. 5. Overall, the biggest problem was cultural. It started at the top. Everyone was focused on the wrong things and it started with the HC. Absolutely no culture of accountability. Always someone else's fault. For everything. And that starts with the HC. Also too concerned with image and perception IMO. I know that editing has a lot to do with it, but there was so much time showing JB on social media and stuff reading about what people are saying (but then adamantly arguing that he doesn't give a F what people think... but clearly he does). I don't think we see him watch film at all this season. Again, I am sure he does. But it just didn't seem like the football aspect was ever the biggest deal. [ The Malik Henry thing is fascinating, in part since he did seem more mature this year — and note that Henry walked on at Nevada and just won the starting job there for Jay Norvell. He certainly didn’t help himself in season 3 but it did feel like he got jerked around in season 4. I absolutely agree. Just such a terrible situation for everyone. Bad for the team. Bad for Malik. And I didn't know he earned the Nevada job. Thanks for sharing. Kid is definitely gifted. Curious to see where it goes. But that was such a bad move for everybody.
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Post by coachklee on Aug 2, 2019 16:09:53 GMT -6
Brown had a lot of critics last year but you get a lot more leeway when you're winning than when you're 2-8 after aspiring to a national championship. Besides Brown's temper and his hot dogging on TV it seems to me that a lot of the local criticism of Brown and ICC is valid. I looked at last year's roster. Independence COMMUNITY College had a total of two kids from Kansas. I understand that they were bringing in top talent but they couldn't find more than two in-state kids that can play football? Paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for a new PRACTICE field while they were cutting academic programs and laying off staff was a bad look. Ya... and his tirade about how football pays for everything and funds the school is quite misguided and gives a bad look. There are points to make about the enrollment but coming across as making Notre Dame type money and influence is just moronic. Their football program fills dorm rooms & increases enrollment. I took a player of ours to a JC & it was the same thing. Honestly, any level of athletics below D2 exist to A) increase enrollment / fill dorms that often get paid for through student loans & B) create a “college” atmosphere / experience for the rest of the general student population. Like players said basically nobody was their on full rides. Take that into account & additionally that all their tuition is out of state tuition, the football program is bringing in a decent amount of money...not ND or Power 5 type money, but a decent amount of money where investment in facilities might actually be justified.
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Post by CS on Aug 2, 2019 16:56:10 GMT -6
****SPOILER ALERT**** Don't read any further if you haven't watched all the episodes. So, why did this season go so far off the rails for Indy? Clearly, there were serious issues at QB. None of the guys they had seemed to be very good. It seemed that the offense struggled in general. Lots of turnovers. Defensively, they had the kid who was the #1 JUCO player in the country but he did not seem to make much of an impact. In fact, the show didn't focus on him at all. I can't imagine that they weren't as talented as they were in the first season. Just wondering, from a football perspective, what exactly went wrong. 1. I thought the defense was generally solid. Felt really bad for the DC. JB was a total tool and then tried to take over the D... when he is an offensive guy. And the O was killing them far more than the D was. 2. They had multiple good players like Johnson (the #1 kid that went to Georgia) that did the right thing and aren't such dynamic tv personalities. That may be why they didn't focus on them. But theres like a half dozen other kids that went to P5 schools. 3. QB situation - bringing back Malik was awful. Of course they had no real answer there. They were bouncing around 4 guys. What in the world did their practice rep situation look like? And each had a different skill set. Your script with Jay and your script with Malik would not be the same. So I just assume that there was absolutely zero continuity. Can't operate and function like that. 4. Offensively, JB may have tried to do too much. He either didn't have good enough assistants or didn't let them work the way a proper staff should. 5. Overall, the biggest problem was cultural. It started at the top. Everyone was focused on the wrong things and it started with the HC. Absolutely no culture of accountability. Always someone else's fault. For everything. And that starts with the HC. Also too concerned with image and perception IMO. I know that editing has a lot to do with it, but there was so much time showing JB on social media and stuff reading about what people are saying (but then adamantly arguing that he doesn't give a F what people think... but clearly he does). I don't think we see him watch film at all this season. Again, I am sure he does. But it just didn't seem like the football aspect was ever the biggest deal. The defense gave up fewer points when JB took over
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Post by joelee on Aug 2, 2019 17:24:55 GMT -6
Question for you guys. Why isn't the band director expected to bust his butt and recruit 200 kids to the campus? I just watched the bit of the 2 music kids sit there and whine about the facility and the instruments, then throw football under the bus. It gets on my nerves personally. This is no defense of JB at all. It just happens that his only skill is recruiting. Does anyone agree with me or have an explanation why the band guy isn't going out and getting 200 kids to make money for the school? What about the drama department?
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Post by fantom on Aug 2, 2019 21:22:22 GMT -6
Question for you guys. Why isn't the band director expected to bust his butt and recruit 200 kids to the campus? I just watched the bit of the 2 music kids sit there and whine about the facility and the instruments, then throw football under the bus. It gets on my nerves personally. This is no defense of JB at all. It just happens that his only skill is recruiting. Does anyone agree with me or have an explanation why the band guy isn't going out and getting 200 kids to make money for the school? What about the drama department? I think the band director got laid off.
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Post by joelee on Aug 2, 2019 21:25:51 GMT -6
Question for you guys. Why isn't the band director expected to bust his butt and recruit 200 kids to the campus? I just watched the bit of the 2 music kids sit there and whine about the facility and the instruments, then throw football under the bus. It gets on my nerves personally. This is no defense of JB at all. It just happens that his only skill is recruiting. Does anyone agree with me or have an explanation why the band guy isn't going out and getting 200 kids to make money for the school? What about the drama department? I think the band director got laid off. That's not an answer. Before he got laid off. Why wasn't the band director recruiting 200 kids to the campus to make money?
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Post by fantom on Aug 2, 2019 21:41:31 GMT -6
I think the band director got laid off. That's not an answer. Before he got laid off. Why wasn't the band director recruiting 200 kids to the campus to make money? Wonder what the band's recruiting budget is.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 3, 2019 5:15:57 GMT -6
Question for you guys. Why isn't the band director expected to bust his butt and recruit 200 kids to the campus? I just watched the bit of the 2 music kids sit there and whine about the facility and the instruments, then throw football under the bus. It gets on my nerves personally. This is no defense of JB at all. It just happens that his only skill is recruiting. Does anyone agree with me or have an explanation why the band guy isn't going out and getting 200 kids to make money for the school? What about the drama department? First maybe he was expected to. Maybe they wanted the JC version Ohio States band. Second and if I were making a wager I would choose this option, it is because it’s a small town in the middle of Kansas and no one cares about the band. Kids whine about everything because they are selfish and short sided. If whiny kids whining about something unfair bothers you, then it’s only going to get worse.
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Post by CS on Aug 3, 2019 5:49:39 GMT -6
Question for you guys. Why isn't the band director expected to bust his butt and recruit 200 kids to the campus? I just watched the bit of the 2 music kids sit there and whine about the facility and the instruments, then throw football under the bus. It gets on my nerves personally. This is no defense of JB at all. It just happens that his only skill is recruiting. Does anyone agree with me or have an explanation why the band guy isn't going out and getting 200 kids to make money for the school? What about the drama department? I have never been anywhere that kids and teachers didn’t complain about football getting more money.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2019 11:32:20 GMT -6
Question for you guys. Why isn't the band director expected to bust his butt and recruit 200 kids to the campus? I just watched the bit of the 2 music kids sit there and whine about the facility and the instruments, then throw football under the bus. It gets on my nerves personally. This is no defense of JB at all. It just happens that his only skill is recruiting. Does anyone agree with me or have an explanation why the band guy isn't going out and getting 200 kids to make money for the school? What about the drama department? I have never been anywhere that kids and teachers didn’t complain about football getting more money. Have you seen what is happening in the Baton Rouge area at the moment..LOL That said, I still don't see how anyone supports this show by watching it, and then complains that this show gives their profession a bad name. Lastly though, keep in mind that if ANYONE here had their program filmed for 100s of hours and then edited down to just a few, the editors and producers could probably show any narrative they wanted.
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Post by CS on Aug 3, 2019 12:23:00 GMT -6
I have never been anywhere that kids and teachers didn’t complain about football getting more money. Have you seen what is happening in the Baton Rouge area at the moment..LOL That said, I still don't see how anyone supports this show by watching it, and then complains that this show gives their profession a bad name. Lastly though, keep in mind that if ANYONE here had their program filmed for 100s of hours and then edited down to just a few, the editors and producers could probably show any narrative they wanted. I honestly don’t think he makes our entire profession look bad. Nor do I think any 1 person could do that. That’s a little melodramatic to say the least. He makes himself and the school look bad. I have no idea what’s going on in Louisiana at the moment. I blame it on ignorance and then educate. The fact is that our jr high and Sr high football team brings in more money than all of our other sports combined and it’s not even close. Plus the other sports use our concession money as fund raisers so we see none of that. But, haters are going to hate no matter what you do
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2019 12:33:09 GMT -6
Have you seen what is happening in the Baton Rouge area at the moment..LOL That said, I still don't see how anyone supports this show by watching it, and then complains that this show gives their profession a bad name. Lastly though, keep in mind that if ANYONE here had their program filmed for 100s of hours and then edited down to just a few, the editors and producers could probably show any narrative they wanted. I honestly don’t think he makes our entire profession look bad. Nor do I think any 1 person could do that. That’s a little melodramatic to say the least. He makes himself and the school look bad. I have no idea what’s going on in Louisiana at the moment. I blame it on ignorance and then educate. The fact is that our jr high and Sr high football team brings in more money than all of our other sports combined and it’s not even close. Plus the other sports use our concession money as fund raisers so we see none of that. But, haters are going to hate no matter what you do Just to clarify, the only part of the post directed at you was regarding Baton Rouge (and LSU). The other comments were just a general statement about this thread. LSU is facing some backlash after revealing its 28 million dollar football locker room renovation And in a fairly tone deaf (but very ballsy move) a few short days after some of the backlash, the new AD stated he doesn't believe the athletic program should continue its practice of giving $7million a year back to the university and wants the practice reexamined. Essentially all but stating the reality of the situation for the top programs in the country... the athletic dept (ie football and mens basketball) has nothing to do with the university and are separate organizations that simply wear the school colors.
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Post by CS on Aug 3, 2019 14:01:52 GMT -6
I honestly don’t think he makes our entire profession look bad. Nor do I think any 1 person could do that. That’s a little melodramatic to say the least. He makes himself and the school look bad. I have no idea what’s going on in Louisiana at the moment. I blame it on ignorance and then educate. The fact is that our jr high and Sr high football team brings in more money than all of our other sports combined and it’s not even close. Plus the other sports use our concession money as fund raisers so we see none of that. But, haters are going to hate no matter what you do Just to clarify, the only part of the post directed at you was regarding Baton Rouge (and LSU). The other comments were just a general statement about this thread. LSU is facing some backlash after revealing its 28 million dollar football locker room renovation And in a fairly tone deaf (but very ballsy move) a few short days after some of the backlash, the new AD stated he doesn't believe the athletic program should continue its practice of giving $7million a year back to the university and wants the practice reexamined. Essentially all but stating the reality of the situation for the top programs in the country... the athletic dept (ie football and mens basketball) has nothing to do with the university and are separate organizations that simply wear the school colors. Good grief that’s bada$$
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Post by kcbazooka on Aug 3, 2019 14:53:06 GMT -6
Screw the kids, I’m ordering four of those locker/chair/beds for the coaches’ office...
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 3, 2019 16:01:16 GMT -6
Yeah, it is pretty cool, but as I mentioned, it is causing a bit of a backlash when compared to articles like this www.wbrz.com/news/lsu-in-disrepair-hundreds-of-millions-needed-to-fix-facilities/Which report that due to budget cuts to higher ed by the previous governor, LSU facilities and infrastructure are quickly approaching decrepit status and will require hundreds of millions of dollars in maintenance and repair. Essentially it is a tricky situation because while the complaints about the football locker room renovation are misguided (LSU's Tiger Athletic Foundation (TAF) is separate from the University and LSU athletics (largely due to football) is completely self sufficient and in fact reportedly gives more money to the University than any other sports program in the country--the counter argument that without the Purple and Gold trimming and LSU on the helmet that nobody would care or buy tickets is equally valid. That has always been my argument to those saying the players should be paid. If the same group of 18-24 year old men showed up at a Baton Rouge playground park as the Baton Rouge Rough Riders to play semi pro ball against the umm Tuscaloosa Venom they wouldn't sell any tickets, and if you and I and the old unathletic schmoes from this board ran out of the tunnel onto Tiger Stadium in purple and gold or Crimson and White it would be a sell out.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 3, 2019 16:25:40 GMT -6
Yeah, it is pretty cool, but as I mentioned, it is causing a bit of a backlash when compared to articles like this www.wbrz.com/news/lsu-in-disrepair-hundreds-of-millions-needed-to-fix-facilities/Which report that due to budget cuts to higher ed by the previous governor, LSU facilities and infrastructure are quickly approaching decrepit status and will require hundreds of millions of dollars in maintenance and repair. Essentially it is a tricky situation because while the complaints about the football locker room renovation are misguided (LSU's Tiger Athletic Foundation (TAF) is separate from the University and LSU athletics (largely due to football) is completely self sufficient and in fact reportedly gives more money to the University than any other sports program in the country--the counter argument that without the Purple and Gold trimming and LSU on the helmet that nobody would care or buy tickets is equally valid. That has always been my argument to those saying the players should be paid. If the same group of 18-24 year old men showed up at a Baton Rouge playground park as the Baton Rouge Rough Riders to play semi pro ball against the umm Tuscaloosa Venom they wouldn't sell any tickets, and if you and I and the old unathletic schmoes from this board ran out of the tunnel onto Tiger Stadium in purple and gold or Crimson and White it would be a sell out. I understand your point but I don’t think it’s as simple as you make it in your last statement. I think the popularity of college football is built on both tradition and athletic excellence. The fact that people love their schools’ heritage is important but I believe people are also drawn to the elite level of experience and athleticism involved in the endeavor.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 3, 2019 16:25:51 GMT -6
Yeah, it is pretty cool, but as I mentioned, it is causing a bit of a backlash when compared to articles like this www.wbrz.com/news/lsu-in-disrepair-hundreds-of-millions-needed-to-fix-facilities/Which report that due to budget cuts to higher ed by the previous governor, LSU facilities and infrastructure are quickly approaching decrepit status and will require hundreds of millions of dollars in maintenance and repair. Essentially it is a tricky situation because while the complaints about the football locker room renovation are misguided (LSU's Tiger Athletic Foundation (TAF) is separate from the University and LSU athletics (largely due to football) is completely self sufficient and in fact reportedly gives more money to the University than any other sports program in the country--the counter argument that without the Purple and Gold trimming and LSU on the helmet that nobody would care or buy tickets is equally valid. That has always been my argument to those saying the players should be paid. If the same group of 18-24 year old men showed up at a Baton Rouge playground park as the Baton Rouge Rough Riders to play semi pro ball against the umm Tuscaloosa Venom they wouldn't sell any tickets, and if you and I and the old unathletic schmoes from this board ran out of the tunnel onto Tiger Stadium in purple and gold or Crimson and White it would be a sell out. I understand your point but I don’t think it’s as simple as you make it in your last statement. I think the popularity of college football is built on both tradition and athletic excellence. The fact that people love their schools’ heritage is important but I believe people are also drawn to the elite level of experience and athleticism involved in the endeavor.
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Post by fantom on Aug 3, 2019 17:08:22 GMT -6
When Penn State opened the Lasch football building in, I think, 1999 I was talking to a PSU assistant who was embarrassed by it, called it "gross". They've recently spend many millions of dollars renovating the place because it was cosidered outmoded. The facilities arms race is insane.
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Post by CS on Aug 3, 2019 17:49:44 GMT -6
Yeah, it is pretty cool, but as I mentioned, it is causing a bit of a backlash when compared to articles like this www.wbrz.com/news/lsu-in-disrepair-hundreds-of-millions-needed-to-fix-facilities/Which report that due to budget cuts to higher ed by the previous governor, LSU facilities and infrastructure are quickly approaching decrepit status and will require hundreds of millions of dollars in maintenance and repair. Essentially it is a tricky situation because while the complaints about the football locker room renovation are misguided (LSU's Tiger Athletic Foundation (TAF) is separate from the University and LSU athletics (largely due to football) is completely self sufficient and in fact reportedly gives more money to the University than any other sports program in the country--the counter argument that without the Purple and Gold trimming and LSU on the helmet that nobody would care or buy tickets is equally valid. That has always been my argument to those saying the players should be paid. If the same group of 18-24 year old men showed up at a Baton Rouge playground park as the Baton Rouge Rough Riders to play semi pro ball against the umm Tuscaloosa Venom they wouldn't sell any tickets, and if you and I and the old unathletic schmoes from this board ran out of the tunnel onto Tiger Stadium in purple and gold or Crimson and White it would be a sell out. People would start to migrate to the semi pro team if they had all the best players. The reason nobody watches that stuff now is because it’s a joke
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