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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2016 12:33:43 GMT -6
Has anyone seen it?
I'm through the first 3 episodes. Pretty compelling so far.
I do have to say that I find the HFC a little disturbing. I find his language shocking. Guy drops more F bombs than my US Army drill sergeants!
And the episode where he grabs and pushes there o-lineman who blew his assignment... that made me uncomfortable, to say the least.
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Post by natenator on Jul 30, 2016 12:49:44 GMT -6
Has anyone seen it? I'm I find his language shocking. Not familiar with Mike Leach huh? Lol |
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Post by CS on Jul 30, 2016 13:06:51 GMT -6
Me and my wife are making our way through it right now. Can say that the HFC is all that's bad about coaching IMO. I think the OC is good and the DC pushes it but when you tell your kids not to fight the other team and you get in a fist fight on the sidelines you're an idiot.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2016 13:09:22 GMT -6
Has anyone seen it? I'm I find his language shocking. Not familiar with Mike Leach huh? Lol I know that coaches swear. But this guy does it alot and makes it pretty personal. |
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Post by brophy on Jul 30, 2016 13:21:03 GMT -6
I liked it and hated it. For me, it was the best chronicle of a football team I've ever seen (All or Nothing, Hard Knocks, ESPNU-thing, etc). I cringed at the entitlement of the athletes and coaches and they should have used more subtitles in the episodes. It did illustrate what many programs are dealing with in terms of academics(not just for your athletes). That college is extremely fortunate to have an academic adviser that naive (?) or engaged. I was conflicted on cringing or laughing out loud at the bible studies one minute and Mot***F**kerCo****erPiec*ofs***Sunova***** swinging at referees.....I've coached with a few guys like that JUCO is a tough bag, particularly in the South where they are used as DI gateways. It didn't help that EMCC had such a wild ride last year. Lot of the games are available on HUDL if you want more The Olineman that got "pushed"....lol.... "Coach, you ain't gotta touch me like that". That a seat, Nancy. The Dlineman that kept getting the call wrong...... |
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Post by Defcord on Jul 30, 2016 13:44:02 GMT -6
I thought it was a B-move when things got tough after brawl and coach Stephens busted out the Bible to hide behind. The OC seemed sincere. The whole program is about winning for the coaches and getting to the big time for the kids. It was compelling TV but not football I would be proud of. I did like Isaiah Wright putting himself on kor. Overall didn't know what to make of it but I watched all six episodes in a day.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2016 14:04:32 GMT -6
I liked it and hated it. For me, it was the best chronicle of a football team I've ever seen (All or Nothing, Hard Knocks, ESPNU-thing, etc). I cringed at the entitlement of the athletes and coaches and they should have used more subtitles in the episodes. It did illustrate what many programs are dealing with in terms of academics(not just for your athletes). That college is extremely fortunate to have an academic adviser that naive (?) or engaged. I was conflicted on cringing or laughing out loud at the bible studies one minute and Mot***F**kerCo****erPiec*ofs***Sunova***** swinging at referees.....I've coached with a few guys like that JUCO is a tough bag, particularly in the South where they are used as DI gateways. It didn't help that EMCC had such a wild ride last year. Lot of the games are available on HUDL if you want more The Olineman that got "pushed"....lol.... "Coach, you ain't gotta touch me like that". That a seat, Nancy. The Dlineman that kept getting the call wrong...... I also wondered if the HC's approach was due to the fact that he had a lot of tough kids on the team and that was the style that ithose kids best responded to. Or maybe the HC is just kind of an a$$hole. I was surprised at how unflinching the episodes are. It's all there...the good, the bad, and the ugly. |
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 30, 2016 14:06:31 GMT -6
I really liked it. Felt like it showed a lot of the good and bad. Without spoiling anything, these are some philosophical questions that I think we deal with at the HS level as well
- Where do coaches draw the line between helping and enabling? Many of these guys got handheld through their academics. Is that helping them in the long run?
-Should there be a more accessible route to the NFL for guys who are unable or unwilling to meet the academic requirements of big time college football?
- The academic advisor clearly seemed to have her heart in the right place, but I found myself wondering if other JUCOs might use some of the kids without caring much if they get eligible for the next level
- I'd love to hear some thoughts on the professionalism and ethics of the coaches and opposing coaches. I feel like we saw some commendable action along with some unprofessional stuff.
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2016 15:25:31 GMT -6
I really liked it. Felt like it showed a lot of the good and bad. Without spoiling anything, these are some philosophical questions that I think we deal with at the HS level as well - Where do coaches draw the line between helping and enabling? Many of these guys got handheld through their academics. Is that helping them in the long run? -Should there be a more accessible route to the NFL for guys who are unable or unwilling to meet the academic requirements of big time college football? - The academic advisor clearly seemed to have her heart in the right place, but I found myself wondering if other JUCOs might use some of the kids without caring much if they get eligible for the next level - I'd love to hear some thoughts on the professionalism and ethics of the coaches and opposing coaches. I feel like we saw some commendable action along with some unprofessional stuff. Lots of good thoughts here, coach. One of my biggest takeaways was how psychologically scarred some of those kids were. I went into the series with the understanding that the kids were going to be academically low and probably came from broken homes and didn't have a lot of structure and healthy habits. But I think that the series did a good job of showing how damaged those kids really are. Some of those kids...I just felt bad for them because you know that they survived some truly awful $hit and even though they are big, strong college football players, they are so broken mentally and emotionally that I don't think there is anything that can be done to fix them. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 30, 2016 15:41:16 GMT -6
-Should there be a more accessible route to the NFL for guys who are unable or unwilling to meet the academic requirements of big time college football? There should be but who's going to pay for it? |
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Post by realdawg on Jul 30, 2016 15:50:36 GMT -6
Where can I watch it?
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Post by Defcord on Jul 30, 2016 15:51:46 GMT -6
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 30, 2016 16:03:37 GMT -6
Was going to start this last night as me and the wife binge watched it. I realize it's TV so some messages may be molded but the HC reminded me of every blow hard that doesn't get it, seemed all about him, and really doesn't coach, just yells quality motivational slogans such as "somebody better bring the f'ing s" or "It's my fault for recruiting you". I've had low points but the way he carried himself would do nothing for me as an assistant or player if that is a true reflection of who he is. I can be crass and rough around the edges but the ego and persona he proudly displayed isn't really someone I'd want to have a beer with.
I found it laughable that he ripped the team for brawling when 1) he punched a ref (that was out of line himself but you did stoke the flames by constantly degrading officials and telling him to stfu) and 2) when he instigated it to run the score up even more. I also found his lack of responsibility in the loss when his temper cost his team 15 yards but then completely blamed the players. Reminded me of a Bud Kilmer type..."Sorry, how many wins in a row??? That's right, 25." Then again, outside of the Academic Advisor, it seemed everyone was pretty clear that the only priority is to win and win big...there is something to appreciate in the brazen transparency of that.
I did really enjoy the unflinching look, saw a lot of different personalities in the players, a lot of deeper issues that we face than just not making an ACT score. I too was interested in the philosophical debate on enabling vs helping vs just pushing along academically...wonder if some of the bigger FBS schools have a similar set up with academic advisors.
Did speak to one of my assistants that used to work college, said the JUCOs are truly the wild west. All in all, was hard for us not to watch, the access was awesome.
Quick question, as money always comes up, any clue what an HC at a school like that makes? No desire to follow suit just curious and google let me down, but did lead to some very good articles on JUCO ball in that part of the country.
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Post by brophy on Jul 30, 2016 16:06:48 GMT -6
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 30, 2016 16:24:13 GMT -6
So we watched 5 of 6 last night, just started 6 right now.
Confirmed that Buddy Stephens is a complete clown and low life...complete disconnect from the way he carries himself, acts, interacts and the impact it has on his team and the way they act. After the brawl, despite the background of the players, it was clear he lost most of the respect his team had for him and rightfully so. Glad the players called out the hypocrisy and ridiculousness of his self righteousness after the game and his "message." Can't demean your players and punish them when you continue to threaten officials verbally and physically. "What that make you, leader of the thugs and rednecks." Really try not to judge but hard not to after that inside look.
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Post by realdawg on Jul 30, 2016 17:06:49 GMT -6
well guess I wont be watching it.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 30, 2016 20:58:52 GMT -6
Think it's great that their rb signed with 3 different schools on LOI day coming out of HS. That's pretty hard to do.
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Post by olcoach53 on Jul 30, 2016 21:09:22 GMT -6
Yeah a lot of really crazy things in that show. Good football players who have just made some poor decisions. I liked it as a whole but could not imagine coaching at that level. That Mississippi Delta team was just absolute trash though.
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Post by eric58 on Jul 30, 2016 21:18:34 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2016 22:27:31 GMT -6
So we watched 5 of 6 last night, just started 6 right now. Confirmed that Buddy Stephens is a complete clown and low life...complete disconnect from the way he carries himself, acts, interacts and the impact it has on his team and the way they act. After the brawl, despite the background of the players, it was clear he lost most of the respect his team had for him and rightfully so. Glad the players called out the hypocrisy and ridiculousness of his self righteousness after the game and his "message." Can't demean your players and punish them when you continue to threaten officials verbally and physically. "What that make you, leader of the thugs and rednecks." Really try not to judge but hard not to after that inside look. Yeah. I agree with everything you posted here. Only thing I would add is all the phony-baloney religious stuff was appalling...I don't have a whole lot of time for that in the first place. But when it comes from someone who is such an obvious and unapologetic a$$hole, it becomes exponentially galling. |
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Post by coachpech on Jul 31, 2016 8:54:06 GMT -6
Ms. Wagner
Special kind of sexy!
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Post by coachcb on Jul 31, 2016 9:09:07 GMT -6
I liked the show because it has a raw feel to it. It's not a Hollywood documentary, it's a true, behind-the-scenes look at the program and the players. Initially, I did wonder if the HC was taking on the role of Bud Kilmer because he is dealing with a difficult group of players.. BUT, a few episodes in, he shows absolutely NO empathy for the DL who claimed to have a concussion and didn't show up to practice or class. THAT bothers me in a big way because he was an absolute tool about the situation. I don't care if the kid is a flake or a diva, I'm going to try and have chat with the young man, not sit around and run my mouth about him.
I also have a difficult time listening to their QB coach's commentary on concussions.. We walk a fine line this day and age when it comes to that issue and I don't care to hear a college level coach state that he's cognitive and emotional issues that resulted from concussions but wouldn't give it up because of his love for the game. To me, that sends the wrong message to both sides of the fences. Those folks that feel that football is too dangerous just got confirmation that a coach at a high level is basically an idiot. Those on the other side are going to be fueled by his comments and potentially put themselves or their kids in a bad medical situation.
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Post by NC1974 on Jul 31, 2016 11:42:37 GMT -6
I liked the show because it has a raw feel to it. It's not a Hollywood documentary, it's a true, behind-the-scenes look at the program and the players. Initially, I did wonder if the HC was taking on the role of Bud Kilmer because he is dealing with a difficult group of players.. BUT, a few episodes in, he shows absolutely NO empathy for the DL who claimed to have a concussion and didn't show up to practice or class. THAT bothers me in a big way because he was an absolute tool about the situation. I don't care if the kid is a flake or a diva, I'm going to try and have chat with the young man, not sit around and run my mouth about him. I also have a difficult time listening to their QB coach's commentary on concussions.. We walk a fine line this day and age when it comes to that issue and I don't care to hear a college level coach state that he's cognitive and emotional issues that resulted from concussions but wouldn't give it up because of his love for the game. To me, that sends the wrong message to both sides of the fences. Those folks that feel that football is too dangerous just got confirmation that a coach at a high level is basically an idiot. Those on the other side are going to be fueled by his comments and potentially put themselves or their kids in a bad medical situation. I agree about the concussion thing. The HC was basically telling that recruiter that he didn't think the kid had a a concussion. And then we hear via the academic adviser reading a text from him that the coach had called him out about faking it. Not knowing everything that went on, I don't want to be too judgemental. Interesting note about the QB coach, he played at WV and is the son of Rick Trickett, who I personally think is one of the best OL coaches around. |
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Post by coachpech on Jul 31, 2016 12:15:43 GMT -6
As RAW as it was that still doesnt mean they dont edit things to give it a bit more edge. Regardless, that's the exact mentality that drives people away from letting their kids play.
The HC should go sell cars, he was spitting EXACTLY the right game at the potential incoming recruits towards the end of episode 6. Thought it was interesting they have a "next in line" already. Let me guess, Jerry Jones hired Stephens.
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Post by fantom on Jul 31, 2016 12:22:16 GMT -6
As RAW as it was that still doesnt mean they dont edit things to give it a bit more edge. Regardless, that's the exact mentality that drives people away from letting their kids play. I haven't watched it yet but I will. The editing thing, to me, kind of goes back to what people have said about the lack of actual coaching. Maybe that's true, maybe not. Teaching lead steps does not make compelling TV. |
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Post by coachquig on Jul 31, 2016 13:05:18 GMT -6
To steal a line from another football film "attitude is reflection of leadership". I agree 100% with te players complaining about the coach fighting one week and then calling the players thugs when they did the same thing a few weeks later. I was waiting for the last scene to say that the coach had lost his job. I guess someplace swimming matters most.
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Post by abkillen on Jul 31, 2016 13:05:35 GMT -6
I loved the uncut behind the scenes look into a college football program. However I thought this documentary was a picture of everything that is wrong with football. I hope parents that are on the fence about their kids playing don't watch it!
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Post by Defcord on Jul 31, 2016 14:28:46 GMT -6
I loved the uncut behind the scenes look into a college football program. However I thought this documentary was a picture of everything that is wrong with football. I hope parents that are on the fence about their kids playing don't watch it! I hope if they are on the fence they do watch it so they can make a more informed decision. I wouldn't let my kid go to emcc. It would be nice if Netflix could find a solid program to show as well. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 31, 2016 15:26:56 GMT -6
I loved the uncut behind the scenes look into a college football program. However I thought this documentary was a picture of everything that is wrong with football. I hope parents that are on the fence about their kids playing don't watch it! How do you know it is "uncut" and an accurate portrayal? |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 31, 2016 15:37:53 GMT -6
You guys complaining about the coach and even the community being only about winning, do you not enjoy it? Does your community not enjoy it?
I am not a win at all cost guy, but I love winning. I will do everything that I can within the rules to win. I prefer to do it in a more positive way. I don't swear at kids, I hold them accountable for their bad choices, and try to teach life lessons. Part of life is winning though. If we deny that we are doing a disservice.
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