Last Chance U

He made a great comment in season 2. "If one of the programs wants to turn things around hire one of my coaches away and pay them well and they will change your program".

So, season three of Last Chance U is going to be filmed at Independence Community College in Kansas. I'm already excited to see the next season, as I have a player that will be a DT there this fall. Fortunately he's not likely to be a dramatic enough story to be featured on the show, but still...

Maybe some syrup?

This thread has drug on, so I'm not going to go back and look for these original posts, but I did want to comment on a couple things. Someone posted about Kam (the DT) going to Pitt based off a good bowl game and the QB from last year going to Auburn based off a couple good games. I think it's more the ability to stay out of trouble and stay healthy that got them back to D1, not the couple of good games. There is talent there that landed them at big-time programs in he first place. There would have been D1 schools offering no matter how their seasons went statistically.

And then someone commented on the ability of the now fired OC or whoever is next HC to lead EMCC and continue the winning ways. I think that's a relatively simple answer. If whoever that person is has the connections to continue the D1 transfer pipeline, yes they'll probably keep winning. If they don't, they may be able keep winning to some extent but probably not be in the national title picture very often.

who cares?
You can be 2-deep at DLine but if you can't make any of those 6'1" 270lbs players into a Kam Carter that is 6'5" 305lbs.
THAT is the only thing a DI program will care about, particularly for just 2 seasons.

I got that.

I was addressing the idea that the reason he was at EMCC was to show college coaches that he could stay out of trouble. While it is true that he didn't get caught smoking weed again, he isn't a good citizen.

I guess a lot of his bad attitude could be attributed to the fact that he was the best player on the defense and, regardless of how the coaches felt about him or spoke to him, he was going to play no matter what. Heck... It probably would have resulted in a lot fewer headaches if the coaches would have just handed Carter a game schedule and told him to just show up a half hour before every game! 😂

At Pitt, he probably won't be such a big fish in a little pond. Like you said, he will have to take to coaching and do things the way the coaches want them done. Otherwise, they will take his scholarship away and Carter will have to take his show on the road again for his senior year.

A few thoughts:

1) In terms of both a show and a look at the program, Season 1 was better, largely since it was new (and as a result people weren't playing to the camera as much). Season 2 was just a very different show in part because of all the fourth wall breaking stuff -- everyone was very aware of the cameras, it clearly affected interactions and how people talked, people (especially Buddy) were constantly referencing the cameras (and the producers left those clips in the final cut).

2) The flexbone game was one of the funniest bit of TV I've seen, and I thought one of the more real world depictions where the HC and DC both had no idea what to do (which is a rough feeling to not have any in-game answers). The HC just kept saying "find something that works!" and I about died when the DC said to the DL coach, "move him outside... or inside... {censored} I don't know." The box score for that game is online and it's... rough. Holmes had 652 yards of offense -- including 450 on the ground.

www.emccathletics.com/sports/fball/2016-17/boxscores/20161006_s84g.xml

3) The whole thing in the bowl game with the OC was... weird. Clearly there was something going on behind the scenes, and it was set up by the scene in the first season where the producers ask the OC if he has a good relationship with Buddy. But no matter what was going on Buddy's crack about the guy's ex-wife seemed totally out of line, and the OC came off well when the players were asking him "are you OK?' (which is itself rough) and he said to not worry about him and to keep focused on the game. Clearly some weird dynamics between Buddy and the OC; I think part of it honestly was the reaction to Season 1 where a lot of folks felt like Buddy was more of a character yelling and screaming while the OC seemed like the legit coach. Seemed to be some resentment there.

4) The whole bit with the punt return and the Wright kid needs to be shown in a communications class. That whole sequence was ridiculous by all involved.

5) I agree that this season it seemed like the only guy doing any real coaching was the DL coach. But I'm reminded that there's a lot of editing when I saw that the #1 recruit out of EMCC from that season was actually an offensive lineman who I don't think the show mentioned a single time and who went to Mississippi State, and we never see the offensive line coach doing anything. And with all the focus on the defensive line, I think only once was a kid who signed with West Virginia mentioned. All of that is fine but just a reminder of how much is left out. But it definitely didn't seem like Buddy does much coaching at all; other than the first game when he called the offense he didn't seem to know what was going on on offense, and he clearly had no idea about defense as he kept just pleading for the DC to "get some stops." Someone pointed out that the whole season was probably summed up when Buddy stood in front of the team and said "Losers point fingers," despite pointing fingers seeming to be about all he did.

6) Coachbdud -- I really didn't get the impression that Wagner was sleeping with the players (and not sure why you did think that?), though of course I don't know for sure. (The producers in both seasons went out of their way to show her going home alone, which could be interpreted in multiple ways.) In any case, it seems a little unfair that given she was one of the few who tried to support the players that it automatically becomes that she's sleeping with them? In any event, she seemed to change a lot from season 1 to season 2 in that she got a taste of the world outside Scooba but obviously wasn't happy where she was (and, at least from what was shown, this seemed like a difficult group of kids).

Last thought is I don't know how many of you read the GQ article the entire series is based off of. It's worth the read; it follows EMCC the year Chad Kelly was there and they won the title.

www.gq.com/story/last-chance-university

Coke mixed with syrup.  It will become all the rage.

I just read that James Franklin - the FSU QB from season 1 who went to Auburn and moved to WR - has left Auburn and decided to transfer yet again.

It should be mentioned that Clint Trickett, Franklin's QB coach at EMCC, is the tight-ends coach at FAU.

3 things here.

1.  If money isn't made Wagnor doesn't have a job because her salary can't be paid.  Also, I don't think EMCC is just rolling in cash from capitalizing off the backs of these "disadvantaged and exploited ahtletes"  Now I'm not neive to think they aren't making any money but they certainly aren't raking millions.  I'm almost certain the DL coach lived in a dorm on campus and has anyone seen a juco coaches salary? lol.


2.  How would paying a scumbag character like John Franklin III, or Kam, or Ollie make them have any less character flaws, or any less scumbaggary?  

3.  I think athletes should be able to profit of their names and do what they want in terms of selling autographs I've also said for the longest time what is suggested in the 2nd quote.  Free life time education at the institution where they play (provided they can and are willing to actually do the work).  You want a 2nd degree?  Its on us.  You want a masters?  On us.  A PHD?  On us if you can do it and are willing to do it.   

4.  (I know I lied)  The biggest part of the problem all of these institutions face at all levels are "student" athletes who are either incapable of doing the work or unwilling to do the work.  Education requires a certain degree of sticktoitedness and sweat equity are the part of the individual being educated.  That's probably my number 1 knock on Mrs. Wagnoer is that she spends so much time holding hands..... at some point when you aren't willing to show up to class with a {censored} pencil or even come by the office to get the pencil off her desk to take said pencil to class then you just don't belong in an educational setting.  Here's your shovel start learning how to use it.  (I realize that sounds terrible but it is what it is).  College isn't for everyone and we should stop acting like it is.  If you can carry the piss out of 2 vertical but can't structure a footnote in Chicago style and absolutely are 100% unwilling to learn how to or put the work into learn how to then you just can't carry 2 vertical at the college level.  I realize that may be unfair but guess what school and ball are a packaged {censored} deal, deal with it and stop bitching about the inequities of it all.  You want to ball, figure out how to school.  Completely unwilling to school, sorry you don't ball.  And that's on the NCAA to fix. 

5.  "But what are we really doing on a daily basis to manage these athletes and help them?"  NO, no, no, no, no What is the student doing to manage themselves and help themselves?  

bad break....hopefully his fiance didn't get pregnant again


Doesn't look like he was one of the original suspects (?_)
wate.com/2017/08/03/2-men-charged-with-stabbing-killing-maryville-18-year-old/

Just watched Ep. 1 on the treadmill. Going home to watch the rest.

The DE...Kaidon? His mom is an honest-to-goodness genius. Making the hurricane party snack sandwiches with the electric carving knife? That scene literally re-oriented my life. She needs to write a cookbook.