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Post by Defcord on Jul 30, 2017 6:12:35 GMT -6
do you find it a coincidence that De'Andre Johnson and Joe Mixon BOTH encountered girls that have an affinity with hurling racial epithets? Is this a common occurrence today, so much so that it justifies violence? I honestly don't have a problem with De'Andre or Joe's response to someone being violent towards them (if you don't want to be hit, do hit anyone else). I don't think words are a justification for it, though. I'm an old white guy. So I wouldn't even pretend to know how common it is. But that is one of the ugliest words in the English language (I understand that the black kids use the word with each other. I don't like that either but context is important) and I don't find it surprising that a black man being called that word by some white woman would have a visceral reaction to it. Look... The kid got punished pretty severely. However, if I was a scout from another college, I would probably summarize what happened as an anomaly and would be willing to take a chance on the kid. The way he was depicted during the season was as a hardworking kid with a great attitude. Now, that might have just been good editing but if there isn't a pattern of violent behavior towards women there, I don't think he's a bad kid. I generally agree, but if I am top tier team in a power 5 conference, i am going to pass on him because I can get kids with that talent without the baggage. I could see where a mid or low level power 5 school or a non-power 5 school could take the risk and it pay off big. However, if he is a bust you a little egg on your face and if it happens again you have real problems, especially in today's social media world. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2017 10:12:33 GMT -6
I'm an old white guy. So I wouldn't even pretend to know how common it is. But that is one of the ugliest words in the English language (I understand that the black kids use the word with each other. I don't like that either but context is important) and I don't find it surprising that a black man being called that word by some white woman would have a visceral reaction to it. Look... The kid got punished pretty severely. However, if I was a scout from another college, I would probably summarize what happened as an anomaly and would be willing to take a chance on the kid. The way he was depicted during the season was as a hardworking kid with a great attitude. Now, that might have just been good editing but if there isn't a pattern of violent behavior towards women there, I don't think he's a bad kid. I generally agree, but if I am top tier team in a power 5 conference, i am going to pass on him because I can get kids with that talent without the baggage. I could see where a mid or low level power 5 school or a non-power 5 school could take the risk and it pay off big. However, if he is a bust you a little egg on your face and if it happens again you have real problems, especially in today's social media world. I think that also explains why Colin Kaepernick had such a hard time finding a gig. The general consensus was that he simply wasn't talented enough to warrant the baggage he came with. If you are going to be an African American with controversial opinions, you had better be Reggie Jackson or Muhammed Ali. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Jul 30, 2017 10:56:51 GMT -6
I'm watching it while I'm posting but man what a baby coach is. He asked for a mom to leave a game because she was heckling him? That's a great way to lose a player's trust and focus. We get heckled all the time! This was one of my thought's on Buddy Stephens as well. Now, as mentioned multiple times in this thread, it is wise to be careful as we only get to see parts of the interactions. However, it seems that all he does in terms of trying to discipline people is yell at them. Well, if all you do is MF people (to borrow a phrase used earlier), you better be prepared for when your players and coaches give it back to you a little bit. I'm not saying players should talk back to coaches, but if this is your approach, it's going to happen and Stephens comes off as having VERY thin skin when it happens to him. |
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Post by coachklee on Jul 30, 2017 11:35:03 GMT -6
Too bad he made such a terrible decision & reacted violently hitting the girl at the bar. Either it was clearly out of character & he has learned from it or people surrounding him (parents, that sports psychologist, etc.) has taught him all the right things to say & do. I'd say that with his level of consistency in words & actions that is who he genuinely now is...at least based on what we saw in the show. He shouldn't have struck her. But if the reports about what she said to him are true, that significantly mitigates any reservations I have about him. She supposedly / allegedly called him a "N..."? |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2017 12:05:55 GMT -6
He shouldn't have struck her. But if the reports about what she said to him are true, that significantly mitigates any reservations I have about him. She supposedly / allegedly called him a "N..."? Yes. |
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Post by coachcrabb2 on Jul 30, 2017 12:57:30 GMT -6
Buddy seems like a real turd burger, would have hated him as a Coach and now as a boss. Seems to be a self serving ego maniac with little to no self control and is very disconnected from how society functions... very do as I say not as I do example and from my calculations everything a "leader" is not.
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Post by brophy on Jul 30, 2017 13:30:19 GMT -6
Guess we need to get some sports psychologists in the stands for our players  |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2017 13:53:10 GMT -6
Buddy seems like a real turd burger, would have hated him as a Coach and now as a boss. Seems to be a self serving ego maniac with little to no self control and is very disconnected from how society functions... very do as I say not as I do example and from my calculations everything a "leader" is not. At that level, though, everyone is "self serving" to one extent or another. Buddy's excesses are just the cost of doing business. It's not for me. I wouldn't want to work for the guy. But I also understand why there are plenty of people who do. I'm sure Buddy didn't have to look too long to replace the coaches who left. |
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Post by fantom on Jul 30, 2017 14:45:34 GMT -6
Buddy seems like a real turd burger, would have hated him as a Coach and now as a boss. Seems to be a self serving ego maniac with little to no self control and is very disconnected from how society functions... very do as I say not as I do example and from my calculations everything a "leader" is not. At that level, though, everyone is "self serving" to one extent or another. Buddy's excesses are just the cost of doing business. It's not for me. I wouldn't want to work for the guy. But I also understand why there are plenty of people who do. I'm sure Buddy didn't have to look too long to replace the coaches who left. I'm not sure that people are fighting to have a chance to work for Buddy Stephens at a JC in Scooba, Mississippi. Last year's DC is at a HS, the OC is in admin now, and Brittany Wagner quit without really having a job. "Last Chance U" isn't exactly a recruiting video. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 30, 2017 15:40:51 GMT -6
At that level, though, everyone is "self serving" to one extent or another. Buddy's excesses are just the cost of doing business. It's not for me. I wouldn't want to work for the guy. But I also understand why there are plenty of people who do. I'm sure Buddy didn't have to look too long to replace the coaches who left. I'm not sure that people are fighting to have a chance to work for Buddy Stephens at a JC in Scooba, Mississippi. Last year's DC is at a HS, the OC is in admin now, and Brittany Wagner quit without really having a job. "Last Chance U" isn't exactly a recruiting video. I would bet that they had plenty of applications. And Wagner didn't quit because of Buddy. She started her own business. |
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Post by ttp22 on Jul 30, 2017 16:59:01 GMT -6
I don't think Buddy was exactly a positive force in her life though.
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Post by joelee on Jul 30, 2017 18:05:09 GMT -6
They are obviously well funded which may have been instigated by Stephens I don't know. It looks like he is a good recruiter.
He is not much of a leader, he is hypocritical, and pretty much the definition of a transnational coach. Its not the editing. No amount of editing can flip that for me.
That kid on the DL going to Pitt. Not my kind of guy. My least favorite player in 2 seasons. I don't like his selfishness and effort. He made 3-4 awesome plays in the bowl game and pulled the wool over Pitts eyes.
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Post by coachklee on Jul 30, 2017 18:34:34 GMT -6
They are obviously well funded which may have been instigated by Stephens I don't know. It looks like he is a good recruiter. He is not much of a leader, he is hypocritical, and pretty much the definition of a transnational coach. Its not the editing. No amount of editing can flip that for me. That kid on the DL going to Pitt. Not my kind of guy. My least favorite player in 2 seasons. I don't like his selfishness and effort. He made 3-4 awesome plays in the bowl game and pulled the wool over Pitts eyes. Watching last season it seemed like the same kind of deal with Franklin III in the sense that he appeared to pretty much only have 1 big game towards the end of the season. Again, I don't know his season long stats, but based on what the show showed us, it seems like just 1 or 2 big games can be enough to help you land a Power 5 opportunity. I won't argue Carter's attitude sucked (way more than Franklin's last season) & wish him the best because unless he has constant monitoring, I don't see him finishing at Pitt or anywhere for that matter... |
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Post by mariner42 on Jul 30, 2017 22:24:35 GMT -6
If you are going to be an African American with controversial opinions, you had better be Reggie Jackson or Muhammed Ali. Which is F***ED. UP. |
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Post by 19delta on Jul 31, 2017 4:52:23 GMT -6
If you are going to be an African American with controversial opinions, you had better be Reggie Jackson or Muhammed Ali. Which is F***ED. UP. Yeah. It really is. |
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Post by wildcatslbcoach24 on Jul 31, 2017 13:16:27 GMT -6
Holy lack of cultural competency Batman!!! From what was seen coach Williams (DL coach) and the D.C. Holly we're the most competent,and I feel the OC, and we're able to legitimately build relationships with their players. Coach Stephens makes his life off the efforts and abilities mainly young black men, but instead of uplifting them he denegrates them and plays the white missionary messiah role, based on what you see on the show. He's as culturally competent as a big city midwestern school district.
He calls them thugs, says they lack control, and make stupid decisions when he should be seeing his reflection in the mirror. The whole "Christian Coach" routine irks me as he says it yet acts the opposite way. It is amazing that he blames everyone around him for distractions and for creating problems on game day when he creates half them. That end with his OC is totally uncalled for and unprofessional and he comes across as a bully. Rant over...
P.S.: if life is /was fair I would love to see a program run by coach Williams the DL coach.
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Post by seabass on Jul 31, 2017 14:49:26 GMT -6
The HC is a terrible leader.
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Post by blb on Jul 31, 2017 15:31:48 GMT -6
If this was a model program with great leadership and student-athletes, it wouldn't be on TV.
Any more than other "reality" shows like the Kardashians, "Real Housewives," or "Jersey Shore."
My suggestion? Just stop watching.
And hope everybody else does, too.
Same with "Friday Night Tykes" (is that still on?) and anything that has LaVar Ball on it.
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Post by mattlott on Aug 1, 2017 0:00:45 GMT -6
Owning a nine-year overall coaching record of 87-12 (.879) at East Mississippi. Stephens enters the 2017 campaign set to challenge the NJCAA’s all-time standard for highest career winning percentage among football coaches with a minimum of 100 career games coached that is currently held by former Butler coach Troy Morrell (154-22 for .875 win% from 2000-14).
With EMCC’s three national titles coming during a four-year span (2011, 2013 & 2014)
Stephens arrived on the Scooba campus in December 2007 after spending the previous seven seasons as an assistant coach at Pearl River Community College in Poplarville, Miss. During Stephens’ stint at PRCC, the Wildcats posted a composite record of 60‐12 (.833), including an NJCAA championship in 2004 and four consecutive MACJC state titles (2003-06).
East miss record before he arrived
2007 4-5
2006. 3-6
2005. 2-5
Over last 17 years as a coach he is 147-24. With 4 national championships. Right or wrong, what he does works at that level.
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Post by brophy on Aug 1, 2017 7:16:20 GMT -6
I don't know if this gets lost in the rush to pick sides on this program, but can anyone else relate to how the head coach starts off the season (with a new perspective) then once the season grinds on him, he falls back into his old habits after the midway point?
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Post by rsmith627 on Aug 1, 2017 7:19:27 GMT -6
I don't know if this gets lost in the rush to pick sides on this program, but can anyone else relate to how the head coach starts off the season (with a new perspective) then once the season grinds on him, he falls back into his old habits after the midway point? I have a couple thoughts on this: 1. It is really really hard to change who you are. You can try it but ultimately I think you'll always come back to who and what you really are. It seemed like he was legitimately trying. I don't know how much of that was real and how much is creative editing and we probably never will know that. 2. I preach this to my players and student's a lot. Doing the right thing is rarely what's easy, and that makes doing the right thing HARD. Buddy seems to know he doesn't do the right thing, but repeatedly chooses the easy path. |
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Post by center on Aug 1, 2017 7:22:01 GMT -6
I don't know if this gets lost in the rush to pick sides on this program, but can anyone else relate to how the head coach starts off the season (with a new perspective) then once the season grinds on him, he falls back into his old habits after the midway point? I think every coach can relate to that. How many of us vowed to (pick one or more) eat better, sleep more, workout more, get home sooner, cuss less, drink less, etc. some season and then fall off the wagon as the season wore on. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Aug 1, 2017 7:22:51 GMT -6
I don't know if this gets lost in the rush to pick sides on this program, but can anyone else relate to how the head coach starts off the season (with a new perspective) then once the season grinds on him, he falls back into his old habits after the midway point? I think every coach can relate to that. How many of us vowed to (pick one or more) eat better, sleep more, workout more, get home sooner, cuss less, drink less, etc. some season and then fall off the wagon as the season wore on. Vowing to eat better and exercise more is me literally every day. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 1, 2017 8:14:35 GMT -6
I don't know if this gets lost in the rush to pick sides on this program, but can anyone else relate to how the head coach starts off the season (with a new perspective) then once the season grinds on him, he falls back into his old habits after the midway point? Something about old dogs and new tricks? |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 1, 2017 8:18:07 GMT -6
Owning a nine-year overall coaching record of 87-12 (.879) at East Mississippi. Stephens enters the 2017 campaign set to challenge the NJCAA’s all-time standard for highest career winning percentage among football coaches with a minimum of 100 career games coached that is currently held by former Butler coach Troy Morrell (154-22 for .875 win% from 2000-14). With EMCC’s three national titles coming during a four-year span (2011, 2013 & 2014) Stephens arrived on the Scooba campus in December 2007 after spending the previous seven seasons as an assistant coach at Pearl River Community College in Poplarville, Miss. During Stephens’ stint at PRCC, the Wildcats posted a composite record of 60‐12 (.833), including an NJCAA championship in 2004 and four consecutive MACJC state titles (2003-06). East miss record before he arrived 2007 4-5 2006. 3-6 2005. 2-5 Over last 17 years as a coach he is 147-24. With 4 national championships. Right or wrong, what he does works at that level. Agreed with all of this. No doubt that the guy knows how to recruit and win games. He gets it done on the field. But I still wouldn't want to work for him. |
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Post by brophy on Aug 1, 2017 8:31:03 GMT -6
do you feel this kind of show would help HS players of today to see where they will likely be if they want to keep playing? The majority of our HS guys are not going to big college programs. Those that do play will be at DIII or JuCo.
Is the teenage mind capable of processing how humbling it would be for EMCC players to struggle through classes and getting eaten up by other bonafide talent on the roster?
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Post by 19delta on Aug 1, 2017 8:35:37 GMT -6
If this was a model program with great leadership and student-athletes, it wouldn't be on TV.
Any more than other "reality" shows like the Kardashians, "Real Housewives," or "Jersey Shore."
My suggestion? Just stop watching.
And hope everybody else does, too.
Same with "Friday Night Tykes" (is that still on?) and anything that has LaVar Ball on it.
I enjoy the show. For me, it appears to be a largely unfiltered view into how the sausage gets made. It is pretty clear that Buddy has little, if any, editorial control over the film makers. Again...it's not for me. I wouldn't want to coach there but it is fascinating to get such an intimate peek into how an elite CFB program functions. |
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Post by joelee on Aug 1, 2017 8:46:17 GMT -6
Owning a nine-year overall coaching record of 87-12 (.879) at East Mississippi. Stephens enters the 2017 campaign set to challenge the NJCAA’s all-time standard for highest career winning percentage among football coaches with a minimum of 100 career games coached that is currently held by former Butler coach Troy Morrell (154-22 for .875 win% from 2000-14). With EMCC’s three national titles coming during a four-year span (2011, 2013 & 2014) Stephens arrived on the Scooba campus in December 2007 after spending the previous seven seasons as an assistant coach at Pearl River Community College in Poplarville, Miss. During Stephens’ stint at PRCC, the Wildcats posted a composite record of 60‐12 (.833), including an NJCAA championship in 2004 and four consecutive MACJC state titles (2003-06). East miss record before he arrived 2007 4-5 2006. 3-6 2005. 2-5 Over last 17 years as a coach he is 147-24. With 4 national championships. Right or wrong, what he does works at that level. #1 He works at the most transactional level of football, a 2 year Juco. Everyones motivation there is a little different than any 4 year situation and it is the PERFECT level for him. #2 He has an eye for talent. He obviously has an eye for coaching talent and hires what appears to me to be good coaches. He has an eye for player talent, not only is he a recruiter but an evaluator. #3 He is a smooth talker when he wants to be. This allows him to be a politician with admin and boosters as well as parents and recruits. #4 he is organized. That is a large organization he runs and and they appear to have every base covered and function like clockwork outside all the human drama. Those are his strengths and that is how they win. Bottom line, the current buzz is relationships and positive leadership and his lack of those makes him a douche, bad person really, but as we see can see not necessarily a bad head coach for a Juco. I wouldn't want him coaching HS kids, I wouldn't work there, and I wouldn't hire him at any other level. Unfair as it is to good people he IS a good football coach. |
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Post by brophy on Aug 1, 2017 8:52:58 GMT -6
#2 He has an eye for talent. He obviously has an eye for coaching talent and hires what appears to me to be good coaches. He has an eye for player talent, not only is he a recruiter but an evaluator. As I recall, JUCO recruiting is a mass media effort. Coaches don't have a big budget for bringing in talent, they aren't like DIII schools that rely on enticing kids to play for them to cover tuition income requirements for the school. Coach Stephens doesn't have to sell anything, because it sells itself. I'm sure most of these DI programs are referring players to him, parking athletes for academic remediation (see Dennis / Brad Franchione). Buddy might stop by Mississippi high schools in the fall, but imagine his cupboard stays full because of the reputation he has built. The players that go there are looking at playing 1 season, 2 if they have to because they all plan to move onto big things. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 1, 2017 9:03:13 GMT -6
#2 He has an eye for talent. He obviously has an eye for coaching talent and hires what appears to me to be good coaches. He has an eye for player talent, not only is he a recruiter but an evaluator. As I recall, JUCO recruiting is a mass media effort. Coaches don't have a big budget for bringing in talent, they aren't like DIII schools that rely on enticing kids to play for them to cover tuition income requirements for the school. Coach Stephens doesn't have to sell anything, because it sells itself. I'm sure most of these DI programs are referring players to him, parking athletes for academic remediation (see Dennis / Brad Franchione). Buddy might stop by Mississippi high schools in the fall, but imagine his cupboard stays full because of the reputation he has built. The players that go there are looking at playing 1 season, 2 if they have to because they all plan to move onto big things. But that wasn't true of EMCC prior to Buddy getting there, given the relative lack of winning. It was his hiring that put EMCC on the map. He has to be given credit for that, right? I would be interested in the process that led to EMCC becoming so dominant. Did the school become a national power solely because of Buddy? Or did the school administration decide that they wanted to become a national power so they hired the right HC and then gave him the autonomy and resources he needed to establish such prominence? |
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