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Post by groundchuck on Aug 2, 2016 3:38:15 GMT -6
It kind of reminds me of the old MTV series "Two-A-Days" about the Hoover Bucs and Rush Propst.
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Post by popcornsutton on Aug 7, 2016 11:22:49 GMT -6
I really liked it. Felt like it showed a lot of the good and bad. Without spoiling anything, these are some philosophical questions that I think we deal with at the HS level as well - Where do coaches draw the line between helping and enabling? Many of these guys got handheld through their academics. Is that helping them in the long run? -Should there be a more accessible route to the NFL for guys who are unable or unwilling to meet the academic requirements of big time college football? - The academic advisor clearly seemed to have her heart in the right place, but I found myself wondering if other JUCOs might use some of the kids without caring much if they get eligible for the next level - I'd love to hear some thoughts on the professionalism and ethics of the coaches and opposing coaches. I feel like we saw some commendable action along with some unprofessional stuff. I disagree with manufacturing a route for these guys who can't be bothered to find paper. The NFL is not going to spend that kind of money on guys who clearly don't care. The most surprising thing to me, and perhaps it shouldn't have been, was that the cases shown were not about academic ability. They couldn't get guys to show up. NFL has no interest of you can't even be bothrred to get a participation trophy. The thing that stuck with me the most was when the advisor asked the guy why they were all so quick to say "f*** this" and walk away when things weren't going the way they wanted. She asked him where that came from and what in their life has shown them that behavior leads to better outcomes. Sure some of those guys had really serious issues and family/environmental situations but at least this was their way out (many on their 2nd or 3rd chance to make a life for themselves). I have a hard time sympathizing with grown men who were blessed with enough ability to overcome their circumstances but aren't willing to do the bare minimum to achieve it. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Aug 7, 2016 11:40:12 GMT -6
I really liked it. Felt like it showed a lot of the good and bad. Without spoiling anything, these are some philosophical questions that I think we deal with at the HS level as well - Where do coaches draw the line between helping and enabling? Many of these guys got handheld through their academics. Is that helping them in the long run? -Should there be a more accessible route to the NFL for guys who are unable or unwilling to meet the academic requirements of big time college football? - The academic advisor clearly seemed to have her heart in the right place, but I found myself wondering if other JUCOs might use some of the kids without caring much if they get eligible for the next level - I'd love to hear some thoughts on the professionalism and ethics of the coaches and opposing coaches. I feel like we saw some commendable action along with some unprofessional stuff. I disagree with manufacturing a route for these guys who can't be bothered to find paper. The NFL is not going to spend that kind of money on guys who clearly don't care. The most surprising thing to me, and perhaps it shouldn't have been, was that the cases shown were not about academic ability. They couldn't get guys to show up. NFL has no interest of you can't even be bothrred to get a participation trophy. The thing that stuck with me the most was when the advisor asked the guy why they were all so quick to say "f*** this" and walk away when things weren't going the way they wanted. She asked him where that came from and what in their life has shown them that behavior leads to better outcomes. Sure some of those guys had really serious issues and family/environmental situations but at least this was their way out (many on their 2nd or 3rd chance to make a life for themselves). I have a hard time sympathizing with grown men who were blessed with enough ability to overcome their circumstances but aren't willing to do the bare minimum to achieve it. When you say "clearly don't care" I would ask "don't care" about what? It's entirely possible to not give a crap about an English class while at the same time being very invested in a football team and doing everything you can do to be a great player and teammate. |
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Post by natenator on Aug 7, 2016 12:21:02 GMT -6
I disagree with manufacturing a route for these guys who can't be bothered to find paper. The NFL is not going to spend that kind of money on guys who clearly don't care. The most surprising thing to me, and perhaps it shouldn't have been, was that the cases shown were not about academic ability. They couldn't get guys to show up. NFL has no interest of you can't even be bothrred to get a participation trophy. The thing that stuck with me the most was when the advisor asked the guy why they were all so quick to say "f*** this" and walk away when things weren't going the way they wanted. She asked him where that came from and what in their life has shown them that behavior leads to better outcomes. Sure some of those guys had really serious issues and family/environmental situations but at least this was their way out (many on their 2nd or 3rd chance to make a life for themselves). I have a hard time sympathizing with grown men who were blessed with enough ability to overcome their circumstances but aren't willing to do the bare minimum to achieve it. When you say "clearly don't care" I would ask "don't care" about what? It's entirely possible to not give a crap about an English class while at the same time being very invested in a football team and doing everything you can do to be a great player and teammate. Please. They know the expectations and requirements of being eligible to play. If they can't meet the bare minimum (which is set pretty low) then they don't deserve an opportunity. |
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Post by popcornsutton on Aug 7, 2016 12:28:55 GMT -6
When you say "clearly don't care" I would ask "don't care" about what? It's entirely possible to not give a crap about an English class while at the same time being very invested in a football team and doing everything you can do to be a great player and teammate. Please. They know the expectations and requirements of being eligible to play. If they can't meet the bare minimum (which is set pretty low) then they don't deserve an opportunity. Exactly. You aren't doing everything you can to be a great teammate and player when you refuse to complete even the most elementary of tasks assigned by your babysitter. It is literally the opposite of doing everything you can. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 7, 2016 12:39:22 GMT -6
Please. They know the expectations and requirements of being eligible to play. If they can't meet the bare minimum (which is set pretty low) then they don't deserve an opportunity. Exactly. You aren't doing everything you can to be a great teammate and player when you refuse to complete even the most elementary of tasks assigned by your babysitter. It is literally the opposite of doing everything you can. Kids make stupid decisions. Kids who haven't had a great upbringing have no way of knowing any better. You do what you can. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. |
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Post by WTR on Aug 7, 2016 12:44:01 GMT -6
I'm a HC in MS and know most of those guys pretty well. Obviously, they come by every year for recruiting and I have taken several kids to open tryouts over there thru the years. Buddy is not a bad guy, but he obviously has some things he needs to work on. Nothing I saw surprised me. Honestly, surprised he still has a job. I really like Coach Woods, he's the HCIW and will do a good job.
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Post by popcornsutton on Aug 7, 2016 13:05:59 GMT -6
Exactly. You aren't doing everything you can to be a great teammate and player when you refuse to complete even the most elementary of tasks assigned by your babysitter. It is literally the opposite of doing everything you can. Kids make stupid decisions. Kids who haven't had a great upbringing have no way of knowing any better. You do what you can. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. I was responding to someone that claimed you could be doing everything you can to be an excellent teammate and player while simultaneously ignoring their responsibilities as a teammate and player. That is wholly antithetical and doesn't really have anything to do with stupid decisions. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Aug 7, 2016 13:34:28 GMT -6
Please. They know the expectations and requirements of being eligible to play. If they can't meet the bare minimum (which is set pretty low) then they don't deserve an opportunity. Exactly. You aren't doing everything you can to be a great teammate and player when you refuse to complete even the most elementary of tasks assigned by your babysitter. It is literally the opposite of doing everything you can. Maybe I wasn't very clear in what I was trying to convey, or maybe I was and the two of you simply disagree. I'm not saying that these kids in the documentary are doing everything they can in the classroom. I'm not saying that they are necessarily being good teammates given that they knew the requirements that they signed up for. What I'm pushing back on is the idea that there should not be a "non-school" avenue for these guys to compete, be seen, and potentially start a professional career. You don't have to be a good school student to be a good football player. And in an avenue where school wasn't a part of the equation I'd say you don't have to be a good school student to be a good teammate either. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 7, 2016 13:49:11 GMT -6
Kids make stupid decisions. Kids who haven't had a great upbringing have no way of knowing any better. You do what you can. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. I was responding to someone that claimed you could be doing everything you can to be an excellent teammate and player while simultaneously ignoring their responsibilities as a teammate and player. That is wholly antithetical and doesn't really have anything to do with stupid decisions. I don't even know what the hell antithetical means. My point is that, if they don't impact anybody else, foolish decisions by young people should not be fatal. |
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Post by natenator on Aug 7, 2016 14:18:47 GMT -6
Exactly. You aren't doing everything you can to be a great teammate and player when you refuse to complete even the most elementary of tasks assigned by your babysitter. It is literally the opposite of doing everything you can. Maybe I wasn't very clear in what I was trying to convey, or maybe I was and the two of you simply disagree. I'm not saying that these kids in the documentary are doing everything they can in the classroom. I'm not saying that they are necessarily being good teammates given that they knew the requirements that they signed up for. What I'm pushing back on is the idea that there should not be a "non-school" avenue for these guys to compete, be seen, and potentially start a professional career. You don't have to be a good school student to be a good football player. And in an avenue where school wasn't a part of the equation I'd say you don't have to be a good school student to be a good teammate either. Would you risk millions on a kid who can't even do the bare minimum required to give himself that opportunity in the first place? We all make mistakes and for many of us there are pathways available to redeem us from those mistakes provide second or third chances. These players are proof of that right now but we all must accomplish the bare minimum in life to even have an opportunity at more later on. Try being continuously late for work and see what happens. Does you being 10 mins late for work REALLY affect the quality of your work or your ability to do your job? Probably not but not being able to handle a simple task of showing up on time to work is a sign of potentially larger issues. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 7, 2016 14:34:13 GMT -6
Maybe I wasn't very clear in what I was trying to convey, or maybe I was and the two of you simply disagree. I'm not saying that these kids in the documentary are doing everything they can in the classroom. I'm not saying that they are necessarily being good teammates given that they knew the requirements that they signed up for. What I'm pushing back on is the idea that there should not be a "non-school" avenue for these guys to compete, be seen, and potentially start a professional career. You don't have to be a good school student to be a good football player. And in an avenue where school wasn't a part of the equation I'd say you don't have to be a good school student to be a good teammate either. Would you risk millions on a kid who can't even do the bare minimum required to give himself that opportunity in the first place? We all make mistakes and for many of us there are pathways available to redeem us from those mistakes provide second or third chances. These players are proof of that right now but we all must accomplish the bare minimum in life to even have an opportunity at more later on. Try being continuously late for work and see what happens. Does you being 10 mins late for work REALLY affect the quality of your work or your ability to do your job? Probably not but not being able to handle a simple task of showing up on time to work is a sign of potentially larger issues. You know what stops people from being late? It's not a written policy. It's when a coworker tells them, "When you come late you don't phuk the company, you phuk me. When you come late, I have to stay late." People don't care about the company. They care about the people that they work with. |
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Post by natenator on Aug 7, 2016 14:40:06 GMT -6
Would you risk millions on a kid who can't even do the bare minimum required to give himself that opportunity in the first place? We all make mistakes and for many of us there are pathways available to redeem us from those mistakes provide second or third chances. These players are proof of that right now but we all must accomplish the bare minimum in life to even have an opportunity at more later on. Try being continuously late for work and see what happens. Does you being 10 mins late for work REALLY affect the quality of your work or your ability to do your job? Probably not but not being able to handle a simple task of showing up on time to work is a sign of potentially larger issues. You know what stops people from being late? It's not a written policy. It's when a coworker tells them, "When you come late you don't phuk the company, you phuk me. When you come late, I have to stay late." People don't care about the company. They care about the people that they work with. And here I thought it was the fear of being fired. |
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Post by 44dlcoach on Aug 7, 2016 14:40:28 GMT -6
Maybe I wasn't very clear in what I was trying to convey, or maybe I was and the two of you simply disagree. I'm not saying that these kids in the documentary are doing everything they can in the classroom. I'm not saying that they are necessarily being good teammates given that they knew the requirements that they signed up for. What I'm pushing back on is the idea that there should not be a "non-school" avenue for these guys to compete, be seen, and potentially start a professional career. You don't have to be a good school student to be a good football player. And in an avenue where school wasn't a part of the equation I'd say you don't have to be a good school student to be a good teammate either. Would you risk millions on a kid who can't even do the bare minimum required to give himself that opportunity in the first place? We all make mistakes and for many of us there are pathways available to redeem us from those mistakes provide second or third chances. These players are proof of that right now but we all must accomplish the bare minimum in life to even have an opportunity at more later on. Try being continuously late for work and see what happens. Does you being 10 mins late for work REALLY affect the quality of your work or your ability to do your job? Probably not but not being able to handle a simple task of showing up on time to work is a sign of potentially larger issues. I'm not really sure where the disconnect is coming from what I'm writing and how you're taking it, but I'll try again here. If there was a non-school avenue and all I see about this kid is that he's talented, plays his butt off, works hard at practice, weight room, coaches and teammates have good things to say about him, etc. why wouldn't I "risk millions on him"? I'm not saying that kids at colleges shouldn't have to do the work, I'm saying that in pretty much every other sport in the world there's a path to professional play that doesn't involve being required to get a higher education. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 7, 2016 14:43:28 GMT -6
You know what stops people from being late? It's not a written policy. It's when a coworker tells them, "When you come late you don't phuk the company, you phuk me. When you come late, I have to stay late." People don't care about the company. They care about the people that they work with. And here I thought it was the fear of being fired. From a bad job? Nobody's scared of getting fired from bad job. There are more bad jobs out there. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 7, 2016 15:34:04 GMT -6
Would you risk millions on a kid who can't even do the bare minimum required to give himself that opportunity in the first place? We all make mistakes and for many of us there are pathways available to redeem us from those mistakes provide second or third chances. These players are proof of that right now but we all must accomplish the bare minimum in life to even have an opportunity at more later on. Try being continuously late for work and see what happens. Does you being 10 mins late for work REALLY affect the quality of your work or your ability to do your job? Probably not but not being able to handle a simple task of showing up on time to work is a sign of potentially larger issues. I'm not really sure where the disconnect is coming from what I'm writing and how you're taking it, but I'll try again here. If there was a non-school avenue and all I see about this kid is that he's talented, plays his butt off, works hard at practice, weight room, coaches and teammates have good things to say about him, etc. why wouldn't I "risk millions on him"? I'm not saying that kids at colleges shouldn't have to do the work, I'm saying that in pretty much every other sport in the world there's a path to professional play that doesn't involve being required to get a higher education. Yeah. Totally agreed. Under the current system, the way it works is that a kid can exchange his skill as a football player for a free college education. Well, that's great if what the kid is interested in is a free college education. But for kids who don't want a college education but still want to pursue a professional football career, there is no avenue. For those kids, there should be some kind of competitive track they can take that is parallel to the traditional NCAA route. |
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Post by coachks on Aug 7, 2016 19:48:47 GMT -6
I'm not really sure where the disconnect is coming from what I'm writing and how you're taking it, but I'll try again here. If there was a non-school avenue and all I see about this kid is that he's talented, plays his butt off, works hard at practice, weight room, coaches and teammates have good things to say about him, etc. why wouldn't I "risk millions on him"? I'm not saying that kids at colleges shouldn't have to do the work, I'm saying that in pretty much every other sport in the world there's a path to professional play that doesn't involve being required to get a higher education. Yeah. Totally agreed. Under the current system, the way it works is that a kid can exchange his skill as a football player for a free college education. Well, that's great if what the kid is interested in is a free college education. But for kids who don't want a college education but still want to pursue a professional football career, there is no avenue. For those kids, there should be some kind of competitive track they can take that is parallel to the traditional NCAA route. There is a parallel route. You can play oversees, semi-pro, Arena or CFL for 3 years and then attend an open tryout or get enough film to get noticed. Nothing is stopping them from making the NFL if they have enough talent. Guys from those settings get invited to NFL camps every year (Didn't the 49ers just sign a rugby player with hardly any football experience). |
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 7, 2016 21:38:56 GMT -6
Ok people who don't know anything about the CFL need to just stop talking.
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 7, 2016 21:57:01 GMT -6
Ok people who don't know anything about the CFL need to just stop talking. Don't get your panties up in a wad. I do not believe anyone was disparaging the CFL talent level. They were just not aware that the league has rules similar to the NFL regarding entry to the league. The point was just highlighting a train of thought that nobody in the USA really talks about in public. There is a large portion of college football players who do not belong in a collegiate setting socially, academically, or emotionally but they have no realistic path to pursue a professional football career. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 7, 2016 22:39:37 GMT -6
Disparage the talent level all you want, but you best come correct.
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Post by freezeoption on Aug 9, 2016 5:04:50 GMT -6
its not our job to worry about those don't follow the route, the ones that are hard workers will get there, the ones that are not will not, the ones that don't can go play some semi pro ball and maybe get seen, you have paths in life, I would like to watch the series just for fun, but I am not going to get a Netflix account for that
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Post by klaby on Aug 14, 2016 11:33:27 GMT -6
I have watched 4 episodes, I have now read all of the comments here.
This documentary clearly shows the problem with society today. Clearly most of these kids should not have even graduated HS, let alone be admitted into College, ANY college. This school PAYS for a babysitter! I ask this, does the kid who is there to make a better life for themselves and family have access to this babysitter??? I venture not.
I read a ton of BS excuses….rough life, bad family, tough environment…blah, blah blah. There are TONS of people who have a tough up bringing that work their collective butts off to better their status in life without the BS attitudes of these idiots. I mean a Florida State dropout demands a private room before he attends a Community College….seriously!
In full disclosure I am not a teacher, I am a retired Police Officer, and Former Marine, so my attitude toward bad behavior and decisions is different. YOU are responsible for what YOU do. Not your station in life, YOU. In the Corps we have general orders, there are 11 official orders….but all Marines know there are 13…..#13 is “He who F’s up must pay”…..
I am not saying a kid can’t make a mistake, I am saying you MUST learn from that mistake and not make it again. I will help any kid, and have helped those who have learned from those mistakes. But these men and that is what they are men, have not learned a damn thing. Why haven’t they? Because NOBODY has held them accountable, NOBODY! They skated by in HS, and they are skating by in “College”….
The coach is an idiot I grant you that. And clearly he is not held to ANY standard other than WIN baby WIN….
The winningest HS program over the last 20 years is what? De La Salle correct? That program wins year in and year out correct? DO you think for 1 second they put up with this crap!? NO. And there are plenty of kids in that program that come from the rough part of town….
They have a standard and you are held to it, if not you’re not playing. I am telling you, if you have a standard, and you hold firm to that standard, your players will meet that standard. Not all but most. And you will then get more players who will and more and more. And you will see success on the field. Maybe not year 1, or 3 but you will.
As a parent we have a ton of pull with our kids, if we did our jobs right that is. And it will be a cold day in hell before I let my kid play in ANY program that has a standard of conduct or academics that is like this crap. I don’t care how many rings the guy has.
This may come as a shock, but football ends, it ends for everyone. When it does you better be able to function outside of it! I mean what the hell, English sub titles for a documentary filmed in the USA!!! Because the “College” Athlete can’t speak the damn English language!!! That says it all right there!!!
So what I see is a complete lack of leadership from the Top down..... end result your coach, and your players are out of control....
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Post by fantom on Aug 14, 2016 11:46:59 GMT -6
I have watched 4 episodes, I have now read all of the comments here. This documentary clearly shows the problem with society today. Clearly most of these kids should not have even graduated HS, let alone be admitted into College, ANY college. This school PAYS for a babysitter! I ask this, does the kid who is there to make a better life for themselves and family have access to this babysitter??? I venture not. I read a ton of BS excuses….rough life, bad family, tough environment…blah, blah blah. There are TONS of people who have a tough up bringing that work their collective butts off to better their status in life without the BS attitudes of these idiots. I mean a Florida State dropout demands a private room before he attends a Community College….seriously! In full disclosure I am not a teacher, I am a retired Police Officer, and Former Marine, so my attitude toward bad behavior and decisions is different. YOU are responsible for what YOU do. Not your station in life, YOU. In the Corps we have general orders, there are 11 official orders….but all Marines know there are 13…..#13 is “He who F’s up must pay”….. I am not saying a kid can’t make a mistake, I am saying you MUST learn from that mistake and not make it again. I will help any kid, and have helped those who have learned from those mistakes. But these men and that is what they are men, have not learned a damn thing. Why haven’t they? Because NOBODY has held them accountable, NOBODY! They skated by in HS, and they are skating by in “College”…. The coach is an idiot I grant you that. And clearly he is not held to ANY standard other than WIN baby WIN…. The winningest HS program over the last 20 years is what? De La Salle correct? That program wins year in and year out correct? DO you think for 1 second they put up with this crap!? NO. And there are plenty of kids in that program that come from the rough part of town…. They have a standard and you are held to it, if not you’re not playing. I am telling you, if you have a standard, and you hold firm to that standard, your players will meet that standard. Not all but most. And you will then get more players who will and more and more. And you will see success on the field. Maybe not year 1, or 3 but you will. As a parent we have a ton of pull with our kids, if we did our jobs right that is. And it will be a cold day in hell before I let my kid play in ANY program that has a standard of conduct or academics that is like this crap. I don’t care how many rings the guy has. This may come as a shock, but football ends, it ends for everyone. When it does you better be able to function outside of it! I mean what the hell, English sub titles for a documentary filmed in the USA!!! Because the “College” Athlete can’t speak the damn English language!!! That says it all right there!!! So what I see is a complete lack of leadership from the Top down..... end result your coach, and your players are out of control.... I'm throwing the bulls$it card. These folks are trying to help those kids function after football. Takes longer for some guys than others. The penal system is more expensive than a JUCO. |
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Post by klaby on Aug 14, 2016 12:59:21 GMT -6
I'll throw it right back coach....If they care they would teach them that their actions have consequences....and they aren't...miss class, ok we will still let you play...don't show up for meeting ok no problem your a starter...I mean really you need to tell a 19-20 year old man to make sure he has a pencil and paper....The military is also less expensive and they will not have their hands held and will learn how to be a man... I will bet you nobody is holding the hand of some kid who is on the border but doesn't play football...think for one second that these people would give two rips about these kids if they couldn't play football....keep them eligible so they can play and help us win, then who cares...I have my ring....what are they teaching, there will always be somebody there to help me get by because I can run with a ball....you think for one second you can miss work and keep your job! These are men, start treating them like men and they will start being men....keep holding their hands and I will be dealing with them very soon...and I frankly don't care one bit you can run with a ball, or how tough your life was....
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Post by 19delta on Aug 14, 2016 14:11:34 GMT -6
I'll throw it right back coach....If they care they would teach them that their actions have consequences....and they aren't...miss class, ok we will still let you play...don't show up for meeting ok no problem your a starter...I mean really you need to tell a 19-20 year old man to make sure he has a pencil and paper....The military is also less expensive and they will not have their hands held and will learn how to be a man... I will bet you nobody is holding the hand of some kid who is on the border but doesn't play football...think for one second that these people would give two rips about these kids if they couldn't play football....keep them eligible so they can play and help us win, then who cares...I have my ring....what are they teaching, there will always be somebody there to help me get by because I can run with a ball....you think for one second you can miss work and keep your job! These are men, start treating them like men and they will start being men....keep holding their hands and I will be dealing with them very soon...and I frankly don't care one bit you can run with a ball, or how tough your life was.... The job of college and professional football coaches is not to be a babysitter or a father figure or a guidance counselor. It's to win football games, period. Everything they do is to affect that outcome. So, it's a balancing act. As long as a player is productive, the coaches, in some cases, are going to have to put up with shenanigans that they wouldn't overlook in less talented players. I also think that is why high school football coaches really shouldn't pay attention to what big-time colleges (and I think the JUCO in this documentary is a big-time college) are doing because the situations are completely different. At a big-time football factory, the coaches are only going to win championships by recruiting better talent than the competition. As I wrote earlier, that means the coaches are going to have to tolerate players with questionable character. In a high school, the coaches are not going to have anywhere near the number of head cases and egomaniacs. Maybe an occasional kid. But not a locker room full of them. And, as several others have pointed out, we only saw the real extreme kids on the EMCC team. My guess is that a lot of those kids are pretty boring (they go to class and are coachable) and didn't get any screen time as a result. You bring up Bob Ladouceur from De La Salle. If he would have been the HFC at EMCC and coached the same way he did at De La Salle, do you think he would have been as successful (in wins and championships) as Buddy Stephens? If Ladouceur's approach (which, according to you, is "not putting up with that kind of crap") is so effective, then why don't all big-time college and professional programs use it? |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 14, 2016 14:22:13 GMT -6
In full disclosure I am not a teacher, I am a retired Police Officer, and Former Marine, so my attitude toward bad behavior and decisions is different. YOU are responsible for what YOU do. Not your station in life, YOU. In the Corps we have general orders, there are 11 official orders….but all Marines know there are 13…..#13 is “He who F’s up must pay”….. I would be remiss if I didn't comment on this. You rail against a lack of accountability for these players yet you retired from an occupation that has well-documented issues with a lack of accountability. I'm sure that during your long career in long enforcement, you held your fellow officers' feet to the fire and reported them when they took advantage of their position and authority for personal gain. Let me guess your response...it never happened, right? You never witnessed a fellow officer abuse his power? <rollingmyeyes> |
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Post by klaby on Aug 14, 2016 15:10:01 GMT -6
So we are talking about molding young men and the actions of what most feel is a bad example of that and you want to take shots at my profession, and my integrity while hiding behind a user name on a computer board.
Guess I should respond by lumping you in with all the pedophile coaches and teachers right....since that is your logic here.
I must lack integrity since I am a Cop....I must be a liar, corrupt and unethical....I mean the news says we all are so must be true right....hey you forgot I am racist to...whatever...
Yes I have testified against a bad cop, as matter of fact I have arrested a few....my integrity is very much intact coach....very much...
Hey you do know Fantasy Island is not real right?....I mean I don't want you to book a vacation to find out it was just a show on TV....seems like that might be your source of information in life so...
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Post by klaby on Aug 14, 2016 15:33:00 GMT -6
I firmly believe it is the job of any coach that coaches Student Athletes, to educate those athletes not only in the class room, but in life.
The coaches that have the singular job of just winning, are professional coaches, coaching other professionals that are paid to play.
Some have lost their way in the mission of coaching STUDENT Athletes....
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Post by 19delta on Aug 14, 2016 15:55:48 GMT -6
So we are talking about molding young men and the actions of what most feel is a bad example of that and you want to take shots at my profession, and my integrity while hiding behind a user name on a computer board. Guess I should respond by lumping you in with all the pedophile coaches and teachers right....since that is your logic here. I must lack integrity since I am a Cop....I must be a liar, corrupt and unethical....I mean the news says we all are so must be true right....hey you forgot I am racist to...whatever... Yes I have testified against a bad cop, as matter of fact I have arrested a few....my integrity is very much intact coach....very much... Hey you do know Fantasy Island is not real right?....I mean I don't want you to book a vacation to find out it was just a show on TV....seems like that might be your source of information in life so... I was simply pointing out that the pot should be careful when calling the kettle black. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 14, 2016 16:03:34 GMT -6
I firmly believe it is the job of any coach that coaches Student Athletes, to educate those athletes not only in the class room, but in life. The coaches that have the singular job of just winning, are professional coaches, coaching other professionals that are paid to play. Some have lost their way in the mission of coaching STUDENT Athletes.... Being a football coach doesn't mean your life needs to be the plot of a Lifetime movie. It's really OK to just be a football coach. |
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