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Post by morris on Dec 31, 2019 15:03:28 GMT -6
I’m by no means an expert on this so this is just my ideas.
You might have to cut somethings. That might be reps or scheme or something.
Finding the right minimum dose is really difficult. That can change week to week and season to season.
I don’t really think it bothers no huddle. We are no huddle going between 60-70 plays a game on offense. Our kids were fine.
OL wise I don’t think it is hard. In your typical practice how much running is the OL doing? I’d say they very rarely if ever get to max velocity. So once or twice a week they sprint. Past that they do their typical stuff. Maybe you only hit and drive a sled once or twice a week. Maybe you don’t try to run 4 plays in a minute during inside run.
I know missing reps or losing reps has come up. I think if you go this route you have to take a different approach to reps. One you’re looking for high quality reps. If you do it 3-4 times and they are high quality then maybe you stop and move on. If you do it and it’s crap you sometimes need to accept the fact that continuing to rep will not improve things or make things worse. Of all the things in this sprint approach I believe this is honestly the biggest thing influenced by the track world. I know that approach was used by Charlie Francis (sp).
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Post by morris on Dec 31, 2019 7:04:26 GMT -6
The winners running thing Harbaugh has done. I think the quote was winners deserve to get better or something along those lines.
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Post by morris on Dec 30, 2019 21:59:18 GMT -6
It might sound strange but in some places I think you might have to teach some kids how to compete. Not to compete but how to do it. I coach in at a school with higher level of poverty. All the typical things that are associated with it. There is a learned helplessness that you have to fight. Some of our guys will fight like dogs. Others will show that learned helplessness. You have teach them how to fight through that and work through it.
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Post by morris on Dec 30, 2019 11:53:32 GMT -6
The thing is I don’t think they are really selling anything. I guess you could say they are selling RPR (which was something before it was renamed/branded) or going to the clinics they hold a couple of times a year (but those are for track and football). It’s not like any of these guys are really selling a service or anything.
I agree that a lot of what they are talking about isn’t new and is much more common practice. I agree that a number of things about it people look at as say “Well yeah that’s just good practice habits/methods”
We also have to accept that we (members here) aren’t necessarily the norm. We all know, coach against and coach with guys that don’t spend as much time researching, learning and debating football as we do. There are still programs that do or would if they could beat the crap out of each other every day. They would run their kids into the ground. Some of those programs might even achieve a pretty high level even with those methods.
I kind of look at it like weightlifting programs. When you start looking at all the different ones. While they are all different there are a lot of similarities. Guys choose different programs for different reasons.
I don’t think anyone is trying to convince anyone “This is the way”. I don’t anyone thinks this is a magic bullet. It’s just trying to figure out/see if there is a better way than what way than what one is currently doing it.
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Post by morris on Dec 30, 2019 8:27:58 GMT -6
I don’t know anything about Camp Point (make up of the school, history, etc) but I would guess the judgement of more successful was based off of record? We all know a lot of factors go into that. Your talent. The talent of the other team. I don’t know if it’s completely fair to just look at the record and say a team was more or less successful.
What teams that have used this approach have talked about is being healthier and they’ve gotten faster.
As far as how it effects/works with the defense I don’t think it changes much. You do pursuit drills on certain days. You work against deep routes on certain days. DL works on chasing screens on certain days. You do certain special teams on certain days due to the running.
I think the overall approach sounds a little crazy in writing but when you look at it I don’t think it’s that crazy. I think it for the most of it is just reorganizing practice a little. Cut out the running for conditioning purposes (that’s a different conversation there).
We haven’t went full blown into the approach. I know through the season we are pretty fresh and healthy. I know our losses had more to do with play calling and things like that as opposed to using this approach.
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Post by morris on Dec 30, 2019 7:13:02 GMT -6
Yes it is a limited amount. I don’t remember right off the top of my head but it’s small. We did sprint days on Mondays since that is when JV would have their games (games count as sprint days). Monday practices in my experience haven’t always been the best practices. So Monday we would sprint, lift and keep things fairly light.
A lot of what they (the people who take this approach) do isn’t really that crazy. Most of us aren’t doing a lot of hitting in practice anymore. I think people in general are lifting differently than when we played (if you’re older like me). The RPR stuff has been around for awhile just under a different name. Teams started to stop doing gassers and every older conditioning when Air Raid stuff starting happening in the mid 90s. The hardest part for some people is on certain days there is just longer rest periods between reps and you change your focus as far as what you work on.
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Post by morris on Dec 29, 2019 22:53:53 GMT -6
I’ll try to explain my understanding on the reps part. It is based on the different energy systems. Now full speed is a little misleading. What he is referring to is max velocity. So players have to cover a decent distance to be able reach max velocity. Then players need enough time to fully recover.
For example if you run jet sweep or working deeper pass routes on sprint days. If your more like a wing-t team you could run belly but have the players sprint 30-40 yards past the LOS.
On non sprint days it looks like your typical football practice. You’re not going to reach max velocity in most typical football drills. If players don’t get enough time to recover it ends up training the wrong energy system. You need to train both but you can train the other system (what most of us think of as conditioning) by doing things like tempo runs.
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Post by morris on Dec 29, 2019 21:20:05 GMT -6
Did you see the recent article that was something like “Learn How to Cook”?
I’ve been very interested in this approach. We’ve started to use some of this approach but like the article I mentioned I’m still learning how to cook.
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Post by morris on Dec 23, 2019 10:05:18 GMT -6
In KY boosters can’t pay stipends or coaches for anything. In fact you can’t use booster or school funds to buy coaches gear either. Now they can give money to the school board to pay stipends but there are restrictions.
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Post by morris on Dec 13, 2019 12:50:28 GMT -6
Is 12 men in the huddle or breaking the huddle with 12 a penalty? Not a penalty. There is the illegal substitution penalty that is in part up the official though there are common ways it is applied.
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Post by morris on Dec 11, 2019 6:02:09 GMT -6
Any time I see an athlete with an injury that doesn’t play football I ask a question. “you know where you didn’t get hurt at?” That’s the excuse you always here is someone (parent, kid, whoever) is afraid the kid will get hurt playing football. I say it to point out the fact you can get hurt playing other sports. I’ll ask kids if they play other sports. I ask them how things work like practice and compare them to what we do. I’m careful not to bad mouth the other sports. I talk about other multi sport athletes I coach and the numbers game in other sports. Now I teach at the MS which makes a difference. I’m always talking but I don’t heavily recruit individual kids. It’s more joking around with them to get them to try it.
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Post by morris on Dec 10, 2019 5:07:41 GMT -6
We weren’t allowed to use some of our footballs because the laces weren’t white.
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Post by morris on Dec 3, 2019 18:29:19 GMT -6
First weekend in December here in KY. Our start this Friday and run through Sunday this weekend.
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Post by morris on Nov 28, 2019 6:44:20 GMT -6
Who gives you the trade in trade up?
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Post by morris on Nov 27, 2019 8:27:12 GMT -6
This is a great question. Our JV wear the same stuff (we only have 50 or so players 9-12). Right now I plan on buying 7-8 helmets a year. Most of the guys around here run by 6 get 7 or something similar. I’m not sure about the shoulder pads. Coach Trimble from Jenks has a book about running a football program. I remember part of the book covers this. I don’t remember the exact numbers but he basically put his QB, RB and a few others in new pads every year. The older stuff just got rotated down.
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Post by morris on Nov 27, 2019 8:22:30 GMT -6
We give the kids off from the end of the season until January then we get back to lifting. I lift with the kids because I enjoy it and the kids get a kick out of it. I do something football most days but it’s because I enjoy it and not because I feel like I have to grind. Players are only kids once and I feel like they should be able to enjoy being a HS kid.
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Post by morris on Nov 26, 2019 15:26:15 GMT -6
I left a kid in this year to set a record. He was a Sr and we weren’t going to the playoffs so it was the last game of the season. He got his leg twisted early in the second quarter so the trainers pulled him. They cleared him to play the second half. We didn’t hit the running clock until the second half. He became the first player to ever pass 1000 and became the school’s all time rushing leader. The team we were playing was overmatched. If he hadn’t gotten twisted earlier in the game he would of been out of the game.
Should I of pulled him? Maybe but this was going to be this kid’s final game maybe ever. He had gotten his head beat in for three weeks during district play. We started 3 sophomores and 2 JRs on the OL. We went young this year because we knew that would be our OL next year. My starting offense past the one kid could of all played JV due to most being sophomores with just 3 JRs total. We never punted all year because we sucked at it. We never kicked deep because we were bad at it. We did tell our kids not to try to recover the kicks. The second half we just lined up in the single wing and ran it.
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Post by morris on Nov 18, 2019 14:00:33 GMT -6
Check with your state about restrictions and accounting practices. In KY we have Redbook. It states you can’t charge dues to be a member of an external booster program for example. You used to but not anymore.
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Post by morris on Nov 8, 2019 15:45:03 GMT -6
Enrollment:1200 Stipends:7 total including the HC
MS enrollment: 900 Stipends: 3 total including the HC
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Post by morris on Nov 8, 2019 6:05:41 GMT -6
I would like to see some of these guys at power house almost small college like schools go from that to a place that has like 25 players total where you have guys playing 3 ways and no backups. This! I think one of the biggest struggles is support and infrastructure. These teams will have three different helmets, lifting in school, better pay for assistance, do not teach full loads and more. While some of us have to fundraise just to have our helmets reconditioned.
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Post by morris on Nov 4, 2019 11:40:59 GMT -6
We didn’t punt all year and never kicked a PAT. We tried to punt twice in the first game and never got it off. I liked my chances on 4th more than punting. We didn’t have a kicker so we went for two. We always onside kicked or pouched it because I didn’t feel it made much of a difference field position wise. I’m not sure if we’ll do the same next year but right now I believe we will. How often are you guys getting the ball back on onside kicks? Oh we sucked at recovering them lol. I think my special teams guy made it more complicated than it needed to be. Also in some games I told our players not to recover it (running clock type cases). We recovered 1 and that was against one of the best teams we played. We also never gave up a kickoff or punt returned for a TD and never had one blocked lol.
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Post by morris on Nov 4, 2019 5:57:16 GMT -6
We didn’t punt all year and never kicked a PAT. We tried to punt twice in the first game and never got it off. I liked my chances on 4th more than punting. We didn’t have a kicker so we went for two. We always onside kicked or pouched it because I didn’t feel it made much of a difference field position wise. I’m not sure if we’ll do the same next year but right now I believe we will.
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Post by morris on Nov 3, 2019 8:08:32 GMT -6
Homer Smith has a book about clock management.
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Post by morris on Oct 30, 2019 12:46:17 GMT -6
If no one has one maybe we can generate one here by pooling ideas.
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Post by morris on Oct 19, 2019 18:26:40 GMT -6
How many schools play football?
How many different divisions or classifications do you have?
How many teams a year in all classifications have a legit shot at a title?
How many of those teams that have a legit shot have a pretty legit shot most years?
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Post by morris on Sept 10, 2019 5:08:00 GMT -6
We start with defense and if time is cut in practice I cut it from O. We do tackling as D prepractice. I’m the HC and also call the O. I’ve always heard/knew about defense getting screwed so I try to make sure that doesn’t happen to us.
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Post by morris on Jul 14, 2019 6:18:54 GMT -6
We do tempo runs. 60 yards at about 65%. 30 sec rest and 3 minute rest between the two sets. Two sets of 5. We then move up to two sets of six. If we increase the distance we drop the reps back. Any other type of conditioning is done through practice tempo. I realized this past Thursday I screwed up and should of backed off the tempo.
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Post by morris on Jul 4, 2019 6:53:43 GMT -6
The only things I can think of off the top of my head are the books that breakdown college and pro teams offensive structures. I don’t think of them any different then the series of books that are out like 101 option plays and the like. If you’re a serious fan I can see the use. As a coach they aren’t bad just to see different adjustments, ideas or different approaches. They’re really just print version of watching all 22 film.
The only organizational method book I can think of is Hargritt’s GPS book which is pretty good. It’s not for everyone but it’s got some ideas that some people can use.
I don’t see a problem with people who don’t/didn’t coach or play writing books on material. We all know people that coach and/or play that we wouldn’t trust any of their advice. Many of us have gotten ideas from places that were not football. There are a number of fields where people that were not directly involved have written very good material. Granted none of us would take advice from some one that has never been trained or practiced medicine. There are other areas and fields where it is more common that one has studied and observed have written very good works.
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Post by morris on Jul 3, 2019 14:25:47 GMT -6
Maybe it's just me since I'm new to Twitter and the world's of "free" advertisement but there seems to be a lot of literature on the scene that would require certain credentials or experience to write. There are books and articles on NFL and college schemes, books on fairly "new" organizational structure strategies... It goes on and on. The thing is as much as I am intrigued some of these authors have never even coached much less coordinated! Are you purchasing these books? If so are you somewhat skeptical going in or coming out of reading? Can you give some examples?
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Post by morris on Jun 20, 2019 11:12:14 GMT -6
What sucks is those other coaches are very careful how they present things. They will never tell a kid not to play another sport or anything like that. They are good about getting their point across without putting themselves in a position to be called on it.
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