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Post by Mav on Jan 17, 2006 11:12:47 GMT -6
So you can capture and edit on one computer and then send that to other computers to work with? I like that, don't think you can do that w/ Landro can you? You can break down film of the same game on as many computers as you want. You then just merge the data together and put it back on all the computers. The DC and OC are reponsible for there own stuff, it works much faster because you're all doing it at the same time. There's only one Landro system so only one coach at a time can work on it. Oh yea, I forgot... with Proscout you get unlimited copies to put on unlimited computers. For all the others, DSV, Webb,etc, it's $2-5000 for ONE copy/computer. Each add'l copy is ususally 50% of the first copy ($1-2,5000). With a laptop you can only hold about 10 games internally. You'll also want to buy an external disk drive -- we bought a 320GB drive for $250. Whne the seasons over we burn a copy of all the games to DVD. This clears the disk space for the next season. Some teams just buy another external drive for each season. If you're looking to use video (self or opponent scout) from pervious years, that's the way to go. You can 'daisy-chain' (link togther) the external drives.
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Post by Mav on Jan 17, 2006 9:52:12 GMT -6
We'd have to put some money into a new computer to go Proscout, so there's gonna be some investment there (although not as much), even with the free software. But we are also looking at a Landro, since the administration ok'd the money to buy one. The Landro looks the easiest to use, but we're wondering if it's worth the money ($5000 range) vs. the limited investment with the Proscout software. The Landro is a one dimensional proprietary appliance. If you have coaches who are really afraid of computers, it may be the way to go. But just the fact you're on a discussion forum shows you're not computer illiterate. The problem with proprietary systems is if you don't like it/use it, your whole investment is gone. If you buy a computer and software you're safe... if you don't like the software you still have the computer and can buy different software. That's why the Proscout solution is a no brainer. You spend the money on a good computer and use the Proscout software. If after a season (or just check it out in the off season) you don't like it, just get new software form DSV, Webb, etc. That was our approach last year, and we're staying with Proscout. We'll use the money saved to get another laptop or 2 for next season. I strongly suggest you use a laptop computer. The portability lets you pass it around to different coaches. And anytime you have a question, you can immediately get an answer by just bringing up the video instantly. I can't tell you how many times on the field or in meetings, we were discussing an upcoming opponent and 2 coaches remembered a formation or play differently. Now we just open up the laptop and instantly find the play. Like the Landro, it can be used as the 'vcr' to show the players video -- just plug a wire into the back of the laptop, and put the other end into a tv or projector. btw - Laptops only became an option in the last year and a half. Laptops cpu's and disk drives were not fast enough only 2 years back. Now you can get a high end Dell for about $1,200 with internal disk space to hold 10+ games. Let me know if you need any help or have any other questions.
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Post by Mav on Jan 16, 2006 23:39:32 GMT -6
apex is only $2000 what does demoed mean? i am no expert the voice didn't help until we got the playbook set up then you can fly that didn't happen until after the season it definitely has auto capture for set points It listed for $5,000, sounds like you got a pretty good deal. demoed = demonstration - sat with sales guy and went through the system. He really couldn't show me the voice recognition stuff. But I've used similar application -- the training of the voice regocnition is painful. And everyone who has to enter data must go through it. With a mouse and keyboard I bet it's not any faster. After you've done the voice stuff, let me know you're thoughts -- I'd really be interested. That's great they got the auto clipping in. It's annoying to have to go through the video twice. Proscout is looking to ave it in the next release.
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Post by Mav on Jan 16, 2006 22:42:17 GMT -6
The proscout system sucks, if you want a great video system you need to purchase DSV. I have used it for four years, at both the high school i coached at and at the college I am currently at you simply can not beat the system. Graz74@sbcglobal.net Sucks? It does everything DSV does, albeit it's not quite as slick. But paying $4-5,000 for DSV or getting Proscout for free... hmmm. If you've got the money to burn, check out Webb Gameday. I thought it was just as good as DSV and the support was much, much better. DSV has the sales guys also doing phone support, meaning sometimes it takes a bit to get answers. Webb has a very good dedicated support staff.
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Post by Mav on Jan 16, 2006 22:35:52 GMT -6
check out apex 3.0 you can talk in the info. if you use a digital camera it will automatically set play marks great for doing highlight films at the end of the year. I demoed the Apex 3.0 system last year and they didn't have the auto marking clips feature. Can't imagine they added it so quickly? Honestly I thought the voice recognition stuff was a gimmick. They're not even pushing it anymore, because it really doen't save you any time at all. Ask waht you have to do if you or the software makes a mistake?
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Post by Mav on Jan 16, 2006 22:31:33 GMT -6
If so, do you like it? Is it user friendly? What are pros/cons? Thanks, Donnie Proscout does everything DSV, Apex, or most other digital video edit and scouting systems do. We used it extensively last year. Plus the pricw as right - free donation - vs $4-5000 for the others. It's a no brainer! Let me know if you have any questions on the software.
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Post by Mav on Jan 31, 2006 13:55:43 GMT -6
it all started with the invoice for the support renawal and that we where not happy with the tech support, it just seemed they(LRS) were never there. Remember, with any software support program - it's optional. I guarantee if you tell them you're looking around because you weren't happy with the support, they'll give you a year or two for free. Or just drop the support. A great way to do this is to find another team using LRS. Also, if it's not specific to LRS, you can always come here -- there's a few folks here who know quite a bit about digital editing systems.
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Post by Mav on Jan 31, 2006 9:06:08 GMT -6
Our Head Coach is looking change from LRS to DSV. How good is DSV? really! They main questions to consider is what about LRS did your HC not like -- the data enty, reporting, support, etc.? btw - we also weren't impressed with much from LRS. DSV is a really good product. Also check out Webb Electronics systems. They've been doing it the longest and have a dedicated support staff who's very knowledgable. They have a few high profile customers like th Dallas Cowboys, NO Saints, lots of D1 colleges from the Texas region. With DSV your support will probably be your sales guy. But they may have finally hired a support staff(it's been a major complaint) -- ask them. Another one to look at is XOS SportsEdit. It's used primarily by D1 and the pros. Coachcomm has a high school(ie trimmed down/cheaper) version. I'd make sure your support is through XOS, not Coachcomm. Lastly, look at Proscout. A major NFL organization will donate the cost of the software(unlimited copies) for you. That's the road we went and happy we did. Looked pretty good whne we had the money($4-5000) already earmarked for an editing system, then recieved it for free. Used the saving for an extra computer and other things for the kids.
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Post by Mav on Dec 15, 2005 20:41:37 GMT -6
I enjoy watching college the best -- the lower the division the better. The AA and 2 playoffs were great again this year. I still enjoy the Meyers spread stuff. I'd like to run it someday, but I'm not sold on running it year in and year out. A couple of the teams in our conference run it every year -- depending on their talent it looks good or HORRIBLE. Especially with the weather we have in Mass. it's tough to rely on it up here. I aslo like to see a well run wing-t team, although only a couple of teams in our state still run it. The pro zone blocking running game is the worst to watch.
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Post by Mav on Jan 5, 2006 7:37:00 GMT -6
Might try the old QBmotion play to get 5 the easy way but if not quick( punt!) Funny you say that! That's what I was thinking at the time... perfect time for that play! In reality, there's so many other varibles to consider- how's your defense playing? Offesnive line playing? How many timeouts? Is Vince Young the QB on the other team ;-) I honestly don't blame Carrol for trying to win it with his offense. I probably would have done the same. 2:00 is plenty of time for a good offense.
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FCPGA?
Jun 30, 2006 10:05:07 GMT -6
Post by Mav on Jun 30, 2006 10:05:07 GMT -6
I can't say enough great things about FCPGA. We joined several months ago(thanks to several members here recommending it) and it's by far the best educational resource we've ever found. Just one example -- we recently finished watching a four day clinic(about 8 hours) put on by Dan Robinson (Coverdale/Robinson Bunch and Quick Passing books and videos) about the complete 3-5 step passing game. The detail you get is incredible -- much, much greater than the 'official' bunch and quick passing videos they put out.
Honestly, the only issue we've had is with finding the time to watch and absorb all the great information. About every 7-10 days you'll get about 2-4 hours of video to copy and digest. For $179 a year plus shipping ($5-9 per delivery) it's the best value out there. I'll never buy one of those 'produced' videos again. Between this forum and FCPGA we've been exposed to more quality football information in less than a year than the previous 10 years combined.
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Post by Mav on Feb 15, 2008 5:50:33 GMT -6
"There was a movement to take out below-the waist blocking. I don't think that's applicable to our game," Clark said. "It's too varied and too diverse. But I think we've given the officials the resources to take out a dangerous element of our game, which is the chop block."
Sounds like they're fine with blocking below the waist/cut blocking. I believe they're discussing how to simplify the rules surrounding chop blocks -- the delayed high/low combo on a defender. At least I hope...
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Post by Mav on Dec 27, 2005 14:21:56 GMT -6
We use Microsoft Access for all our data base stuff.. We plug in all of the offense and defense.. offense we put in down, distance, hash, formation, strength, play, side, ball carrier, result.. On defense we put in down, distance, hash, formation, blitz, slant, coverage, break (linemen taking a playoff), result.. We then can go back and get any combo of any items we want.. play vs down and distance.. ball carrier vs down and distance.. hash vs play.. all this without buying any software.. fyi - Proscout uses Access as it's database. The substantial benefit you get from the application is the video clips are linked to the database info. You get all of the benefits you mentioned from Access with the video added for creating cutups, highlights, etc. All for the same price as Access... FREE. Check it out - it's quite a deal. We heard about it on another board last year and figured we'd give it a try. No downside, it's all in Access anyway. If you're doing all the work to enter the data anyway, you might as well have the video directly linked.
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Post by Mav on Dec 27, 2005 11:40:13 GMT -6
For breaking down upcoming opponents we input:
general - down/dist/los/hash/pass or run/gain/coaches comments
for our defense - formation/motion/playname/result(inc-comp,TD,fumble,sack,etc)
for our offense - front/stunt/blitz/coverage - in our league we find most teams are very simple/vanilla. You can get through a game pretty quickly.
In addition to our typical scouting and game planning, we create 10 minute cutups for each Varsity player to take home and review on vhs or dvd. Usually about 7 minutes of opponents offense and 3 minutes of defense. It's a condensed video showing a few plays from the base D, some blitzing, stunting, and coverages. During the week we quiz the players on who they're up against, tedencies, strengths/weaknesses,etc. You can quickly tell who's studied the film. We have after practice light conditioning for players who 'fail' the quiz - they usually only fail once. Not because of the conditioning, but because they're being called out for not being prepared.
We use Proscout, which we recieved for free last year through a donation.
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PDA's
Dec 28, 2006 12:39:21 GMT -6
Post by Mav on Dec 28, 2006 12:39:21 GMT -6
I have owned a bunch of PDA's over the years and I have never considered the idea. I think it would be tough to do. Data input into a PDA is tedious. You are either using a very tiny set of keys or you are using a very tiny and hard-to-hold stylus. Tapping on on a LCD screen might be ripe for abuse - and would not be a good idea in wet weather. I would think it would be better to enter the data using a laptop in the booth by someone who has a headset. Check out - www.digitalscout.com/football/scoutware.phpFor self scouting, all formations and plays are already entered in the system. It would be simply using the stylus to choose from the pull down list. probably as quick as writing by hand. To start with I'd probably only have the backup QB enter the formation(w/motion if any) and the play name. After he got comfortable with it, you could have him enter the yards gained. The software would auto calculate the down, dist and LOS.
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PDA's
Dec 28, 2006 11:30:06 GMT -6
Post by Mav on Dec 28, 2006 11:30:06 GMT -6
Have toyed around with the idea of having the backup QB record the offensive plays on a PDA or tablet PC with Digital Scout type software - replacing the old clip board. Then you could immediately load the play data into your digital editing program (DSV, Proscout, etc) Seems like a good idea for self scouting. Could do it for defensive calls too. It'd be nice to have an overlay on the video of the plays called when breaking down the game. Anyone done this? Problems with sync'ing plays or other issues? I haven't pulled the trigger on doing this yet because it may be one of those ideas that's better on paper -- not worth it in the real world.
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Post by Mav on Dec 4, 2006 8:23:58 GMT -6
The 1st thing you'll probably want to do is film your games using a digital camcorder. Be sure it uses the industry standard Mini-DV tapes. We purchased a brand new JVC Mini-DV camcorder a couple of years back for about $250 - pretty cheap. Be sure the optical zoom is at least 20X and it has a remote control. www4.shopping.com/xPO-JVC-GRD290-DV-CamcorderObviously, if you want the endzone angle, you'll need 2 cameras. btw- check out your local cable access company or AV club -- you may find someone who'll film for you for short $ and may already have the equipment. That's what we did for the wide side angle and used our JVC camera from the endzone. For the laptop - check out the specs of the Dell Inspiron 9400. For less than $1,400, you get 17" screen, 1 GB of memory, 100GB internal 7200rpm harddrive, ATI 256MB video card, and a 320GB external harddrive (420GB is enough storage for 50+ games) and an internal DVD burner. www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04The last piece of hardware you'll probably need is a Canopus analog to digital converter for about $225. This will convert VHS tapes to digital video for you computer. If your opponents don't still trade with VHS tapes you can skip this component. www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&kw=GRADVC110&is=REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=349146Now for the software -- there's been plenty of discussions on this board on this topic. Bottom line is if you're one of lucky teams who have plenty of funds, purchase DSV- www.dsvusa.com It's list price is $5,600 for one copy and about $4,000 for each add'l copy. Or talk to Proscout Video - www.proscoutvideo.com and get a free site licsense (unlimited copies) of their editing software. You'll have to agree to upload your game films to their servers. They (potentially) make their money by selling access of your games to your players for highlights. Grab it quick -- not sure how long this deal/they will last . It's funtionality and usefulness is about 90% of DSVs. We've used Proscout for 2 years while we continue to raise funds to purchase DSV. Let me kow if you have any questions. First thanks for all the great info and input around this site. Very helpful for a young coach like myself. I've been thinking a lot about upgrading the way we handle our film. We are pretty archaic with only press box VHS that is not very good. We don't get what we could out of it. I would like to know what any of you use that might work well for a 1.) New Camcorder for endzone shot and 2) Program for editing film and burning cutups onto DVD's (can I do this with VHS if I convert to DVD with my DVD recorder?). My wife and I happen to be in the market for a labtop anyway, so I might as well get one that will be used for FB. I know I need some sort of editing program, but I'm just looking for something that will splice endzone and pressbox film for each play. I am looking for equipment to make this relatively easy. I have been reading the posts about Proscout and am wondering if you can still get that for free, or if I would want something else. Thanks
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Post by Mav on Jan 10, 2008 8:16:17 GMT -6
fyi - it seems the code for embedding video is set to allow 3 videos from Google and 1 from YouTube per thread.
Embed your video in it's own thread and you should be fine.
If we think we need more embedded videos per thread, we could have coach Huey look into increasing the defaults.
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Post by Mav on Jan 28, 2007 20:03:20 GMT -6
After 3 years as a position coach with an established, albeit fairly young staff, I was talking with a few 'other programs' about potentially taking a Coordinator's position. But, just got offered - and of course accepted - the Offensive Coordinator position for our team. It's great to get the word so early in the off season -- plenty of time to get the offense system together and nice to know where I'll be for awhile.
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Post by Mav on Jun 9, 2007 10:37:59 GMT -6
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Post by Mav on Jan 27, 2006 8:33:07 GMT -6
Gents, if anyone is interested, I will continue at 2 pm eastern time on Friday.... Great. I'll try to move my schedule around to be there.
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Post by Mav on Jan 26, 2006 8:08:23 GMT -6
I will try to do a short dw clinic at 2pm eastern today...ill try... Count me in. Hope it works out.
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Post by Mav on Jan 21, 2006 20:59:40 GMT -6
Are planned loose balls legal in Fed rules. NCAA it's a loss of down penalty (and 5 yards). Wish it weren't that looka pretty good, wish our backs were that fast -
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Post by Mav on Jan 20, 2006 6:55:26 GMT -6
The video's pretty good quality and from 'you send it', it download pretty quickly.
What's with the guard around -- is that a planned loose ball? Can't tell how he gets it.
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Post by Mav on Apr 21, 2006 6:39:14 GMT -6
We're talking about going to electronic playbooks/player manuals this year using Powerpoint(animation, video clips, voice over,etc). Each player will have to login to the secure website and download the information that's relavent to him. Another benefit of electronic playbooks is you can make them unprintable and set expiration dates on the files.
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Post by Mav on Dec 4, 2006 8:27:22 GMT -6
Bottom line is if you're one of lucky teams who have plenty of funds, purchase DSV- www.dsvusa.com It's list price is $5,600 for one copy and about $4,000 for each add'l copy. Or talk to Proscout Video - www.proscoutvideo.com and get a free site licsense (unlimited copies) of their editing software. You'll have to agree to upload your game films to their servers. They (potentially) make their money by selling access of your games to your players for highlights. Grab it quick -- not sure how long this deal/they will last . It's funtionality and usefulness is about 90% of DSVs. We've used Proscout for 2 years while we continue to raise funds to purchase DSV. I know this topic has been posted before but I seem to miss a lot when I try to search a topic. Is there a hands down favorite for the best VALUE in video editing software? We don't necessarily need the Cadillac, but we do need something that is easy to use and understand. We need the ability to: (1) load, tag for about 6-10 predetermined criteria, search and make "cut up" DVDs of our own games and our opponents; (2) pay for it (cost is definitely an issue).
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Post by Mav on Dec 19, 2006 15:40:35 GMT -6
I think another question is what type of video was inputted into the computer? Did it come from VHS Mini-DV Super VHS DVD It came from Hi-8 digital video camera. So its an AVI file already. When I go to export though, it will only allow me to click on the mpeg button. Hey thurman, good to hear from you again. How've you been?Good point by sacoach - keep in mind, because it came originally from an analog format, the quality of the avi file will be not quite as good as digital. Export a couple of clips out to an mpeg file (the only option currently working with Proscout) and use your DVD authoring software to read the mpeg file and create the DVD. Make sure the settings are on the highest that fits on a disk -- Then check the quality. If you ahve access to an external DVD writer, stream the avi video out and create a DVD and compare the two.
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Post by Mav on Dec 19, 2006 8:59:04 GMT -6
I am in the process of converting all of our highlights to 1 platform. I know that you can take the broken down plays in proscout and burn them to a DVD, but what is the quality like? When watching the cutups in the proscout program the quality is not bad, but not good enough to put on a highlight dvd. Once it is exported to DVD, will the quality go back to the original quality, or will it be the same as seen in the program? I guess I could just export some video and see, but I dont feel like wasting the dvd or time if its gonna be bad. It seems the quality of the DVD video is highly dependant on the program that does the encoding and the settings used, whether it's software based or from a standalone recorder. Certainly expect the DVD to be better quality than the mpeg video Proscout exports. Bottom line - you'll probably have to export a couple of plays and play around with your DVD programs settings. Use the highest quality setting availble that'll fit on a 4.7GB disk and see if the quality is acceptable. Use a RW disk so you can rewrite over the same disk. We've played around with several programs - Sonic, Roxio, Winavi - with all different settings. It seems like it's more of an art than science. Remember, the higher the quality means longer encoding time.
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Post by Mav on Jan 10, 2006 14:07:17 GMT -6
mav- how much per year total from your boosters? We get just over $20K, but the AD is looking to create a unified boosters for all sports. We're fighting this all the way. We'll see.
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Post by Mav on Jan 9, 2006 18:05:03 GMT -6
We make about $15K a year with a golf outing followed by a dinner and auction. We auction off donated gift certificates and such from local companies. It's a great time -- always fills up fast -- good excuse to spend the day golfing and makes some good $$.
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