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Post by lochness on Feb 5, 2007 19:12:32 GMT -6
Why wouldn't you just run the same offense you ran last year, and adapt it here and there to the type of kids that you have coming back? Consistency is key for success, and it gives you and your coaches the chance to understand what it is you are teaching, as well as the kids.
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Post by lochness on Nov 27, 2006 12:07:51 GMT -6
We got called for having a back lined up in the Neutral Zone. A BACK...
When I asked how a back (he was a sniffer lined up directly behind the OT) could be in the neutral zone (particularly when he lines up behind the Offensive Tackle), and explained to the official that we have been running this formation for years without any incidents, I basically got him to admit that it was a wrong call.
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Post by lochness on Feb 29, 2008 6:39:50 GMT -6
Coach,
Nothing personal (and I mean that SINCERELY), but you really shouldn't be a head coach if you don't have a clear idea of what you want to do on offense and defense. To heck with what anyone else thinks or does. Do what fits YOUR vision.
I also agree that you may be able to run some "spread" concepts with your core DW offense if you make the determination that you have a QB and some skill people. I would imagine that teams would have defensive fits trying to prepare for the DW and a "spread" package all in one week!! You may not want to do anything other than some basic 2x2 (because it translates well from DW, heck you could shift in and out!), but that's still a nice twist. The Counter Trey (GT) spread play is very similar to the stuff you'd run out of the DW, so even some of the blocking translates well.
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Post by lochness on Dec 12, 2007 11:08:25 GMT -6
Sounds to me like the teams that lost didn't have good defense. Hmmmm.....
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Post by lochness on Jul 13, 2006 4:20:53 GMT -6
Borphy-
Zephram Cochrane "SWEET JESUS"!!!
"First Contact" rules...
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Post by lochness on Mar 19, 2008 11:50:31 GMT -6
Maybe we should say philosophy. I say that because it seems many 4-3 guys, while they can obviously, don't blitz a lot. At the same time, it seems to be part of the philosophy of the odd stack (3-3/3-5) to blitz more often, sometimes all the time. At the same time, many odd stack teams don't run cover 2, but many 4-3 coaches seem to think cover 2 is the greatest thing since sliced white bread. So, maybe we should be talking about philosophy? I don't know, just thought I would throw this out there. Yeah, I mean, in the end, that was my point. You guys all know by know that I agree with this. ;D
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Post by lochness on Mar 19, 2008 7:15:47 GMT -6
3-4 / 5-2 with a 4-spoke secondary.
Why?
-Shade the front strong and eagle down the weakside and you're in a 4-3 under look -Drop down the SS and walk off the weak OLB / DE and you're in a 4-4 look -Drop off the weak OLB / DE and shade the front weak in your in a college 4-3 look -Eagle the DT's down and get into man free, and you're in a 46 Bear look -It is the best defense to run against balanced offenses (in my opinion) such as 2x2 gun, straight T, Double Wing, etc. -4 LB and 4 DB make it moderately flexible, yet not too weak in any one area. -4-spoke secondary concepts let your secondary players be the primaryadjusters 90% of the time. It's excellent for adjusting to multiple offenses and formations. -Can range from a 9-in-the-box mentality to a 5-in-the-box mentality with little adjustment to personnel or scheme.
[glow=orange,2,300]etc. etc. [/glow]
And, YES, most good defenses (30 stack, 4-3, etc) are also capable of the same kind of flexibilty. That's what makes defenses good! So, it all comes down to what I'm personally most comfortable with to "base" out of and can sell / teach these kinds of adjustments to the kids without it seeming too complicated. In the end, for me, that's the Odd front 3-4 / 5-2 defense.
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Post by lochness on Dec 13, 2006 8:31:34 GMT -6
Weird,
Only 1 school in our entire state platoons that I know of. The two-time defending state champion has an enrollment of 2700+, and even they do not fully platoon.
We try to get there every year, but we always have 3-5 guys that have to play both ways because they are just too good not to, and our league is way too competitive to not have guys like that in the game. We typically do everything in our power to have linemen not going both ways, buth after that, we play our best, and that's it.
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Post by lochness on Sept 1, 2007 8:41:34 GMT -6
You definitely did the right thing. No doubt in my mind...
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Post by lochness on Aug 22, 2007 8:12:46 GMT -6
I agree with what everyone else has said.
One thing a great coach got me to understand is that "sometimes those kids need us more than we need them." As long as they work hard and are not disobeying rules or skipping practices, coach em up but give your team reps to the guys that will play.
Someday, they may come around and contribute. Make sure they're having fun and know that you care about their development because they are part of the team.
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Post by lochness on Jan 3, 2008 15:39:55 GMT -6
Isn't it funny how the system each of use seems simple to us and other terminology doesn't. Probably ought to let the kids name all the stuff. this is so true the elrod and most wing-t formation systems just read like chinese to me lochness yours is like reading spanish-----i get it, but it would take time to be fluent very effective though It's funny that you say that...but I know that it's true. In 2006, we went away to camp with another local school (although not in our same division) and we would scrimmage them every day. One of the things we like to do in the scrimmages is to have a coach write on a white board what play has been called in the huddle and show that to the rest of the team that is standing by, so they know what play has been called and can watch their positions and learn. Anyway, the other teams head coach was over on our side (our staffs have a good relationship, so we were very open with each other during the course of the camp). On the last day of the camp, the HC of the other team was saying, "coach, I've seen a lot of terminology systems in my time, but I was trying to figure out your plays by what was written on that whiteboard and I didn't have a CLUE what it was saying...!" When I explained the system to him, he really liked it, but said that he felt it was very different than what he was used to. I wish I could take credit for it all, but it is very similar to the system I actually played in when I was in HS. Then, I came back after coaching 3 years of youth and spent 3 years coaching for my former HC, so I used that same system there. Over the following 7 years, we continued to develop and refine that system to where I think it is something we can uniquely call our own...!
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Post by lochness on Jan 2, 2008 15:34:22 GMT -6
We evolved our formation system over a LONG period of time, but essentially, we have it designed into segments so that specific information is given to specific players, and they know exactly what to concentrate on.
For example, we may run a bunch of different backfield sets. We can code them by a letter: "I" formation = I Basic Splitbacks = B Offset I Near = N Offset I Far = F Halfback Over = O Halfvack Weak = W or whatever....
Then we tell our Z receiver where to line up by using a slot number. Odd slots are to the left, even slots are to the right: 1/2: Power Back 3/4: Sniffer Back 5/6: Wing Back 7/8: Flanker Back
Then, we align our TE and SE with a directional call. TE goes to the call, SE goes away from the call... RIGHT: TE is right, SE is wide left LEFT: TE is left, SE is wide right
That way, all the backs care about is the "Letter," all the Z cares about is the "Slot Number" and all the Ends care about is the "Direction."
For example: "I8 Rt." is an "I" backfield, with the TE on the right, SE on the left, and Z in the flanker slot on the right. It is our "Pro I" look.
Everything else builds from there:
If we want to be single back, we use an additional slot number in place of the letter. This tells the HB (or extra Z if you want to make it a different personnel package) to align in whatever slot is called. It also tells the remaining back that he is in the single set position.
So, if we call "57 Rt." it puts the HB in the left wing, the Z in the left slot, the TE on the Right and the SE on the left, with a RB in the single set positon. This is effectively puts trips out to the left and a TE on the Right. We can run any number of single back combinations from here.
Then, all of the other adjustments are easy (double TE, double SE, etc. etc.)...!
It's a very good, flexible, and consistent way to call formations....but then again, it's pretty much the ONLY system I've used (aside from spending one year in the Wing-T and one running the West Coast terminology), so that is easy for me to say!
It may be a bit more verbally cumbersome, but it is very easy to teach, very easy for the kids to learn, and very flexible for whatever you want to do formationally.
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Post by lochness on Jan 11, 2007 5:28:04 GMT -6
I think Meyer gets too much credit, and he has the personality of a dry bananna peel, which really doesn't appeal to me. I would like to see him go to the NFL, though, because it would be fun to watch him get humbled in a hurry.
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Post by lochness on Mar 23, 2007 5:34:51 GMT -6
Blutarsky,
Senator, it sounds like you have a very interesting offensive structure from what I've read on the boards here. Do you mind going into a little more depth about your system and what you run?
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Post by lochness on Mar 22, 2007 18:45:50 GMT -6
I believe that in any circumstance, but especially when you have inferior talent, the greatest equalizer is COACHING in general.
That being said, I strongly believe that at times such as that, you must run whichever offense (or defense) you as a coach know the best and can teach the best.
Any offense is a good offense, or it wouldn't exist in the first place. The key is, how well do you know it, believe in it, and teach it!!
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Post by lochness on Jul 11, 2007 13:49:12 GMT -6
it's cool loch huey has been spoiled the last few years at some of the best places in texas when huey and i were both on the same staff we had some slappies that were just happy to be there I hear ya, dawg. I forgot to take my happy pills today obviously. Not fired up at Huey, because it's a legit point he makes. Just fired up in general. HAHA
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Post by lochness on Jul 11, 2007 13:35:30 GMT -6
not being picky or critical ... i mean we all have funny stories, etc. ... but if you got no one to trust or can't get this or that done then sounds like the coordinator isn't doing a very good job during the offseason, weekends, week, etc. in doling out duties and organizing the staff in a very effective manner ... just my take. I don't know how much more I could do coach. This isn't ALL of the spotters I've ever worked with as a coordinator, just the funnier ones. We have a pre-arranged worksheet that allows the spotter to note defensive adjustments / alignments against our formations. We script our first 10 plays, and the spotter has very specific things to look for in terms of alignment and assignment on each of these plays. I conduct 3 to 4 clinics in the offseason for the entire coaching staff on our offensive system. I make cut-ups for the offensive coaching staff. I review film of our opponent's defensive fronts and adjustments. They know exactly what I want on each play, including down, distance, field position, hash, and who (by position) made the last tackle. Our spotter is also typically heavilyl involved in our game plan sessions. With all of that, I shouldn't have to ask 4 times for frigging down and distance. And, if I can't even get a timely and accurate down and distance from Coach FanDad up stairs, how the heck is he going to tell me if the CB or Safety was the force player? The ones I'm speaking about did not have the DESIRE to watch what they were supposed to. They were happy to have the best seat in the house, and that's about it. As a coordinator, I can lead horses to water but I can't make them drink. As a coordinator, it is not my duty or responsibility to reprimand or reassign a coach if he is not doing his job. I speak with the spotter about what I think is missing, and if it doesn't improve, I speak with the HC about it. If the HC doesn't want to act on it, then I get Johnny Slapnutz in my ear all season and I feel like I'm sitting next to the loud idiot in the bar who played Pop Warner football when he was 12 and thinks he can {censored} about Bill Bellichick's playcalling. You know, halfway through the third quarter of a defensive battle, I don't need the spotter saying, "Hey, coach, THIS is why we need to run the Spread Offense like Texas does!" That's great spanky, draw up a playbook and I'll take a look at it. Make sure it's 2-ply so I can wipe my bum with it. I've been called a lot of things, but "disorganized" and / or "not working with and settng expectations of other coaches" is not amongst them. I'm passionate about this point because I payed my dues (and learned a TON about football) as a spotter when I was a 21-22 year old coach. I would not be an effective coordinator if it was not for that experience. But I didn't dare look like an idiot by not having the information I was expected to have, because I cared too much and I was passionate about doing things right, and NOT about sitting up there enjoying the crisp autumn evening while I watched a good ball game. I guess I get frustrated when, after all the coaching, guidance, and tools I can fathomhave been offered up, I don't get that same performance from someone else who's supposed to be helping me. Believe it or not, somtimes people just aren't as into it and don't want to put the time and work in. We dont' exactly live in Texas or Ohio where there are 100 qualified coaches beating the door down to coach HS ball. We're lucky to have 2-3 REALLY good coaches (usually the HC and two coordinators), and the rest of the guys are there to "help out," because otherwise you don't have a staff. I'm not saying they're bad coaches, but they're just not "into it." It's like a little hobby. It's because of this that I am as organized as I am. But, I can talk and clinic and teach and pass out playbooks, charts, graphs, scouting reports, worksheets, film cuts, etc...and if the dude don't give a scoot...it's not worth the ink on the paper. Maybe you are fortunate enough to be on a staff where you have 5-6 highly motivated and qualified guys who all know and love football. I've been on staffs like that too, but usually those guys quickly get opportunities elsewhere as coordinators or what have you. I'd say you have to consider this before you judge the coordinator to be at fault.
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Post by lochness on Jul 10, 2007 20:33:02 GMT -6
That's really the best way to go. The problem for me was, sometimes when I was in the pressbox our sweet headseats would fail, and nobody on the sideline could figure out what their name was. Also, sometimes I'd call a play like "34 Lead Draw" and our sideline guy would give the QB "44 Lead Draw," which would make me lose my mind and scream at the top of my lungs, "WE DON'T HAVE A F-ING '44 LEAD DRAW'...WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A '4 BACK' IN OUR OFFENSIVE TERMINOLOGY!!!!" After that season, the HC decided I could best contribute to the success of the team from the sidline.
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Post by lochness on Jul 10, 2007 11:09:51 GMT -6
Wow, excellent question. At my last posting, where I was the OC, my spotters typically did EXACTLY the following:
1. Yell at a player for missing a block (from the pressbox).
2. Yell at the QB (from the pressbox).
3. Make brilliant suggestions like "we need to run outside more," and "we can't throw the ball worth a crap!"
4. Give me dead air after I ask "who made the tackle on that last play?" or "Was the strongside tackle head up or shaded?" until I repeat the question 3 times, each time getting more and more loud, only to finally scream back at me "I DON'T KNOW COACH!!!"
5. Provide ear splitting cheering, like yelling "GO! GO! GO! GOOOOO!" when we break off a big play.
6. Provide excellent feedback like "We OBVIOUSLY can't run that play anymore" after getting stopped for a loss.
7. Telling me, "They're gonna blitz coach!!" as their ILB creeps up into our B gap seconds before the snap (gee thanks, let me check off to my hot route)
8. Break up into a cloud of static and interference as our headseats fail yet again.
(And YES, we clearly outline the actual expectations to our pressbox spotters every summer.)
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Post by lochness on Jan 4, 2006 17:27:29 GMT -6
Coach,
I know you work hard on your posts, but this could have EASILY been a better post if you had just taken some time to structure and word things a little differently. I mean, come on...the accountant analogy was a bit trite, don't you think? Also, you really can't hold my attention for more than a few seconds. I mean, the readers of this board deserve a better effort out of you on this stuff. You should really use a bit more hyperbole in your writing. Also, try quoting some famous authors. I mean, when you keep writing on the same topic over and over again and you know it's not working, why can't you go to a new topic? Also, you better review the fundamentals of grammar.
Sorry, I didn't mean to be critical. I know this isn't a creative writing seminar. I know it's about sharing information and having fun...but I just think you should sit down and think about things a little more before you write them.
If you'd like me to comment like this on every one of your posts, you just let me know. The guy reading over my shoulder is even more critical of your writing than I am!!
: )
What a buch of crap, coach. I hope you found this amusing.
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Post by lochness on Aug 19, 2007 9:05:00 GMT -6
We traditionally spend 15 minutes of PURE individual time. That is defined as "position-specific drills" for improvement and development. For RB's for example, we'll do ball security, blocking, agility, etc. We count "Run Group" (practicing the run game "on air" with backs and QB's to get landmarks, faking techniques, etc. down, while the OL and TE's put in the blocking assignments) as a separate 15-20 min and "Pass Group" (work 7-on-7 while the Line works pass pro vs pass rush) as another separate period.
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Post by lochness on Nov 30, 2007 10:52:56 GMT -6
The best guy plays.
If he can't play, then the second best guy plays.
That's the complicated formula we use.
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Post by lochness on Dec 10, 2007 10:24:08 GMT -6
3-4 posters to point out that no matter what brand lightbulb you want to use, at the end of the day, it's still just a lightbulb. 1 poster praising and honoring Thomas Jefferson, inventor of the lightbulb. 1 or 2 posters following up the Thomas Jefferson poster claiming that, indeed, THEY actually invented the lightbulb. 43 posters wondering what kind of lightbulb I should use when I have a bad fixture, bad wiring, and a very, very dark room. What the hell are we talking about again?
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Post by lochness on Jan 30, 2007 16:42:00 GMT -6
2 hours on Monday and Thursday, max.
2 1/2 hours on Tuesday and Wed, max.
Plenty of time
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Post by lochness on Nov 6, 2007 20:35:23 GMT -6
SERIES football......yes...that is the way to go. Now, in response to the author's issue.......it really stems from a much larger issue. With as much information available with the contributors here...........I would admonish folks to; Ask with purpose Ever obligatorily ask someone "How ya doin'?" / "Hows it going?" / "How are you doing?" and get the obligatory cheesedick answer, "keeping on keeping on" / "I'm still breathing" / Neither the question or the response offered ANY bit of information that could lead anywhere. No specifics, just an open-ended call-and-response. "How do I stop Wing-T?" .................."How do I build a good defense?"........"What offense scores points?" .................................................. ....................... ..........................................what kind of answers do you think you will get (that will help) when you ASK questions without substance? THIS is what I'm driving at...
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Post by lochness on Nov 6, 2007 11:00:10 GMT -6
I just watched the movie "All the Right Moves" and they ran the 6-2 Stack Monster against the power I and stuffed it, so know I'm going to run this defense. Don't forget to "submarine the defensive line to stuff their run game," coach...!
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Post by lochness on Nov 6, 2007 8:45:03 GMT -6
good question. I remember being there starting out. Having a CONCEPT of what I wanted to do and knowing how to teach technique, but unable to really form it all together. Fan with whistle would fit the description. I remember thinking that if I just had the playbook for ND's defense, then I could get a team to play EXACTLY LIKE ND's DEFENSE! The rationale is that you are looking for something to hide your nakedness. You have all the emotion (and desire) but no way to express / deliver it. It is like being on fire for the Lord, but not really knowing the Gospel (what do you preach?). Now, I also understand the frustration expressed by Mr.Lochness. Not because I 'know' anything or am better off now, but with the advent of THIS SITE, you should be able to find ANYTHING you are looking for or have questions about, if you just LOOK. Also, the sooner you realize there is no silver-bullet offense or kryptonite defense, the FASTER you will learn what football is really about....about teaching fundamentals with a purpose. Whether you are DW or Gun Zone, it still boils down to moving people out of the way / creating a way for a runner. Yeah, I mean...maybe it's just me being selfish, but I much prefer the questions that allow some of the experts we have here on the board to flex their muscle and answer with some of their knowledge and experience. That promotes more LEARNING and not just an exchange of materials or ideas.
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Post by lochness on Nov 6, 2007 8:05:00 GMT -6
I agree with what everyone here has said... I want to make it clear that I'm not talking about "running what is popular" or anything like that. I think we've had those discussions in the past. I think I'm trying to say (and I think you guys got it) is that the "thought process" is warped. It's like, rather than having the process start with the questions it SHOULD start with... 1. What do I know best as a coach 2. What do I have the ability to teach most effectively 3. What works best for our kids, type of community, and feeder programs 4. What will be flexible enough to adapt to changing personnel each year, rather than having to wholesale change the offense every 3-4 seasons... ...It seems like the process is backward. It seems like a lot of coaches are lost (or, like tog said, are looking for an "easy way"), and see something they really like on TV, and now they want to put it in BEFORE asking themselves all the right questions. It's like "Well, it worked really well for Joe Paterno, so it is obviously a sound offense that will bring me success!" I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't object to any particular offensive scheme...I object to some of the thought process that is put into deciding what to run and what not to run. I think the point coachcalande brings up is valid, but the DW is a different story because that is a very specific system that coaches have to really THINK about before installing it. It's actually on the other end of this spectrum, because nobody sees the DW on TV. People hear about it as an "equalizer" or whathever, and they go through the thought process of asking those questions, and they get the research materials that exist that help you install it as a living system. That is different than what I am talking about. And coachcalande, I will agree that DVR is AWESOME. I can't tell you how many times (much to my wife's annoyance) I will rewind a "sky cam" shot of a great off-tackle power play on TV or something like that! It's fantastic...!
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Post by lochness on Nov 6, 2007 7:17:09 GMT -6
You know, I used to make fun of "fan with a whistle" coaches on our staff that always wanted to run whatever offenses they saw on TV ("hey, we need to run that offense like Texas runs with Vince Young....YEAH!). You know, It seems like more and more coaches are defining themselves this way now, though. I can't count how many posts there are on this board about...
"Hey, anyone have any Indianapolis Colts playbooks? We have a decent QB, and I want to install it."
or
"If anyone knows how to run Florida's offense at the Jr. Pee Wee level, please email me"
Are we really that thin that we've resorted to this? I mean, going to clinics and buying books on certain styles of offense is one thing, but requesting the offensive schemes of specific teams and / or being interested in them because they are successful this season on TV is a totally different thing.
My buddy has a coach on his staff that has read that old (supposed) NE Patriots 2003 passing playbook, and every year this guy's lone contribution to the offensive staff meeting is "I think we should run this Patriots offense..."
I know that there's really no "original thoughts" out there in football any more (or ARE there...), but this just seems to be a strange trend amongst coaches who come on these boards.
Also, what good is an offensive scheme or system if you have no concept on how to run it...what techniques are necessary, etc??
I'd appreciate hearing thoughts and comments around the table...
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Post by lochness on Apr 21, 2007 8:31:59 GMT -6
Mav,
That sounds great. How long did it take you to build the attendance up like that?
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