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Post by Defcord on Nov 21, 2018 7:05:35 GMT -6
If you care enough to stand on the sideline and improperly influence a high school football game, surely you are going to want to get online and get credit for all of your hard work. If this is true, what a dope! I'm reading now that the guy wore full zebra gear. This is crazy as hell. It's a weird situation. As a head coach of the opposing team what are your option. If you see the parent of a player in full officials gear on the other sideline, how do you handle that? If he were part of the assigned crew, you probably just have to suck it up, I would guess. But if he is there and not part of the assigned crew, can you refuse to start the game until he leaves the sideline at least?
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Post by Defcord on Nov 21, 2018 7:02:14 GMT -6
No. They're young and the game, from eye level, looks different to them than from a crow's nest view. They're not coaches. They don't really know what they're looking at, or looking FOR. I was going to bring up this point. I am not sure if anyone could ever test out the effectiveness of film, but I wonder how much film actually helps given the fact that the perspective is 3 person as opposed to first person. I agree with this. We watch film but if a team's best play is counter and we want to stop it. After watching it on film, a lot of times you get the guys that start yelling "watch for counter, watch for counter." Well the kids aren't in the press box so theyre not seeing it play out the same way it did on film but a lot of times will start to watch the entire offense to see if it's counter. I think the key to film is showing them those top plays and pointing out what they are looking for on those plays as far as their standard read. For the LBs we read guards so guys as soon as the guard pulls you know it's probably counter. You are calling the pull and fitting the counter like this. It's a little more complicated than this but I like my guys to have tight eyes. As a coach I suck when I try to watch it all because I end up just following the ball. I think kids are the same way. For me, from a defensive perspective in this example, if we are using film we need to be doing it to show them the various reads and reactions to those reads they will make in that game. Then take those reads and rep the crap out of them in individual and team periods all week at practice.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 21, 2018 6:50:58 GMT -6
If a guy really did influence the calls during the game would he really be stupid enough to tweet about it? If you care enough to stand on the sideline and improperly influence a high school football game, surely you are going to want to get online and get credit for all of your hard work. If this is true, what a dope!
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Post by Defcord on Nov 21, 2018 6:43:33 GMT -6
1. I think its a terrible rule 2. Idk what else to tell a kid whose giving 80 pounds up to a kid coming to try and knock hi head off and I cant sit there with a straight fface and tell him to take it on standing up and wrong arm it 3. Sometimes its not called So we're going to cut his ass down until the officials actually show us they are willing to make that call. Since you're threatening my player's health, by cutting him when he has no reason to think that he should be cut, I'm teaching my guy to land with his full weight on your guy. Personally, if it was me, I'd land with something sharp, like a knee or elbow but it wouldn't be ethical to teach that. I coached a NASTY center once. We were a pretty good double wing team. About the third game into the season the defensive line started cutting our offensive line. After the first drive, our offense came off of the field and one of our guards was freaking out because he got cut. Our center looked at him and goes "Just step on his effing neck and he will stop doing it!" and walked away. I know it's legal in this case but this dude never got cut after a couple plays into a game because he just wasn't going to allow it. I don't like the idea of our kid stepping on some other kid intentionally but this kid grew up with 5 brothers so getting cut wasn't an issue for him.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 20, 2018 20:30:08 GMT -6
Intentionally violating the rules is cheating. End of discussion. I liked this but if we are on goal line defense and our dbs get bad leverage in man we teach them to interfere with the receiver because we would rather have the half the distance penalty than give up an easy route for an easy td so not sure if that falls into cheating. The above situation feels different. Seems too risky for me and too much movement. Most of the time you can just hide the TE in a legal formation the defense isn’t used to seeing and run some sort of dump route since many high school lbs are going to spot drop or be late to get there in man. Our oc must’ve called a te dump pass in over half our games for crucial conversions and was successful every time. The op situation might not get called back ever but if it converts big and does get called back then that’s completely avoidable, which I couldn’t live with.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 18, 2018 22:44:09 GMT -6
seriously? pass for 2 consecutive plays, im debating firing myself with that thinking. if you cant get 2 yards running the ball on both plays, then you should be fired. run the ball on 3rd, and with some success, run it again, stuffed at the line, play action pass. but no chance in hell im calling back to back best passes. and I like to throw the ball!!!!! all honesty, im taking my 4th down chance on under a yard, best player the ball in his hands, somehow. toss sweep, jet sweep, power, counter, zone read, triple option, dart, buck sweep, counter criss cross, power read, something with the best in our program with the ball, get me my 1 yard. run where they aint! Its math guy. 1 play at 18 inches or 2 plays at 4 yards. You need to run the ball for 2 yards a play in option 2 and only need to run it for 1.5 feet a play in option 1. If you back it up you have to throw the ball based purely on math otherwise just keep it where it was and run the ball. Huh? I get the math but why does it dictate a pass definitely?
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Post by Defcord on Nov 16, 2018 13:43:06 GMT -6
seriously? pass for 2 consecutive plays, im debating firing myself with that thinking. if you cant get 2 yards running the ball on both plays, then you should be fired. run the ball on 3rd, and with some success, run it again, stuffed at the line, play action pass. but no chance in hell im calling back to back best passes. and I like to throw the ball!!!!! all honesty, im taking my 4th down chance on under a yard, best player the ball in his hands, somehow. toss sweep, jet sweep, power, counter, zone read, triple option, dart, buck sweep, counter criss cross, power read, something with the best in our program with the ball, get me my 1 yard. run where they aint! I think the point is that if you choose to make the line of gain 4 yards instead of 18", and then try to run and get those 4 yards, that doesn't really compute. I think it's a really good question by the OP and I really don't think there is a wrong answer. Unless of course, the decision you make doesn't work, then you are definitely going to be charged with taking the wrong alternative. If our head coach chose either option, I would have no problem with. If you took the penalty, the case for running it on 3rd down would be: A. You might get the first down right away B. You don't get the first down but you get a short gain 2-3 yards and you face a 4th and really short anyway C. Some sort of mistake happens (ex: bad snap, mesh point issue, etc.) and you still have an opportunity to run another play for a first down. D. You put the added pressure of defending two short yardage downs on the opponents We averaged 6.8 yards a carry this season but there were times we made a mistake or the other team made a good call and we would have a negative play. I don't know the odds but it feels like the extra down gives us two legitimate shots to make the first down.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 16, 2018 7:10:57 GMT -6
if you don't own the line you got one down for all the donuts, I take the penalty and it gives me two choices and come back to my best two plays that have been successful, you got time with 3 min, Your best two PASS PLAYS that have been successful. I suppose one could go deep down the rabbit hole of game theory and suggest that by taking the 3rd and 4, you put some doubt into the defense about the play being a run, and therefore it might increase the chance of success, but as someone mentioned earlier, if you back the ball up 4 yards and then try a running play, you are going to really be under the microscope. I don't understand why backing the ball up and running on 3rd down is an issue. It gives you a chance to run any play you want on 3rd down and then still pass it on 4th down. I am the same as someone posted above. If I have an edge in personnel, I will take the two plays. If they have the edge give me the 18 inches and we are going to give our best player the ball and see how things shake out.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 15, 2018 13:52:37 GMT -6
One thing that Ohio does really well is that you only get to count the WINS of the teams you BEAT. This keeps teams from simply scheduling as weak as they can to get to 6 wins. yea strength of schedule is a good metric to go by. if you are 10-0 and your opps have a combined record of 10-90... you are not a good team. I don't think it's fair to say you are not a good team. You may be a really good team with a bad schedule. But it's also possible you are just an average team with a bad schedule as well.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 12, 2018 17:57:16 GMT -6
If I lived anywhere near OH I would would contact London HS just in the odd chance I got to meet Jim Wendler. My best friend grew up in West Jefferson Ohio which is in that neck of the woods. Don’t know much about their program now but at one point they had fifty plus straight winning season so if you visit London might be worth checking wj out as well.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 8, 2018 12:04:53 GMT -6
This isn't rocket science. 1st off life isn't fair, so stop trying to make it fair. Its very simple, you break the state into equal regions and then equal conferences based on school size. Winning records get in, losers dont. But because we want things fair and to give everyone a chance...blah...blah..blah, we get this crazy crap. Also where is your integrity as a MAN, if you are the HC of an 0-9 or 1-8 team, then be a man and tell the powers to be "we dont deserve to be in the playoffs we didnt EARN it" and bow out. Isnt part of this whole football coaching thing supposed to be about teaching these kids to be MEN. It's not that simple. I know for sure multiple teams in Indiana have won state with losing records and at least two that I can think of won state with regular season finishes of just 3 wins. Because of geographic and financial issues putting schools into conferences/regions of all the same size is extremely difficult. Just as nothing in fair in life, nothing is simple. If there were an easy answer to all of this stuff, someone would have found it by now.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 7, 2018 18:54:56 GMT -6
Pear we go again!
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Post by Defcord on Nov 7, 2018 18:30:59 GMT -6
I coached an entire practice with our mascot head on...... What were you sneaking for a snack under it is the relevant question.
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Post by Defcord on Nov 7, 2018 11:27:03 GMT -6
like drinking a coffee during practice,just not something I think is professional. But why?
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Post by Defcord on Nov 7, 2018 10:48:09 GMT -6
I can't imagine telling a grown man when he can and cannot eat. As long as he is doing his job I am fine with it. If he isn't doing his job it's probably a bigger issue than the pear.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 30, 2018 3:33:10 GMT -6
I don’t understand why people make it so hard. The top however many teams in each league go to the playoffs. It’s not a difficult concept When I was in Florida the top two teams made it. The problem there was that some districts had 5 teams and some had up to 8. Not sure how districts were formed but some of the third best finishers in 8 team districts felt they were left out unfairly. Indiana everyone is in and random draw, no seeding at all. I lobe the chaos.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 29, 2018 19:24:17 GMT -6
Our playoff system is odd. We are a #3 seed but would have gotten better draws as a #4 or #5 seed. The system isn’t flawed just the region we crossover against is stacked relative to the #4 or #5 seeds.
The New Jersey thing is odd. Sucks a 7-1 team is out and 1-6 in. Computers are taking over the world.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 25, 2018 14:39:54 GMT -6
Should be very little technique coaching across position groups. I am the defensive coordinator and I still try not to coach guys outside of my position group. Sometimes I have to but on most occasions I am standing with the other two defensive coaches and I tell them what I saw and those guys get in and Coach it up.
I think the position coach has such a tighter relationship with the players that they in most cases can communicate corrections more efficiently.
I agree head coach has the right to coach whoever but I think he should only do it if he is actively involved in the group. I worked for a guy that was hc and oc and never said a word about defense until littlest thing went wrong on Friday night. He would start yelling to do this or that or put in this kid or that kid but really he had no clue. I was just a position coach. I never thought it was fair to our dc.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 24, 2018 12:05:16 GMT -6
We ask parents for their kid, their time, their money and their support. Why can't they ask about playing time? Bob Ladouceur says in his book "if a parent wants to watch every clip of film with me on a Saturday then they can discuss playing time" He also states that he even avoids questions like "Hows Johnny doing??" I get the point he is making, but instead of potentially spending hours with a parent on Saturday morning in which neither of us want to be there, I would rather just shoot them straight and honest and live with the result of the conversation. What if the parent starts avoiding giving rides, or buying from crappy fundraisers, or generally supporting the program. I just think parents deserve a conversation. I don't think you have to cater to them and I don't think you have to do it on their terms, but if I were the header I would be fine with addressing the issue and moving on.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 20, 2018 13:43:15 GMT -6
Seems like everyone follows that agreement about as strictly as they follow speed limits. No such agreement. HC was being a tight a$$ about film. It’s weird though because I was asking for last years film and we played their opponent in week 2 Anyway my friend didn’t know I had asked earlier this year and my HC said no to giving them film. I, for the record, would not have given them film had it been my choice either I just meant that even before hudl and everything it seems like all these coaches make these agreements about not trading film out of conference or league but they all do anyway. I just don’t worry too much about film trade. Film is like a dirty girl, everyone who wants it can get it.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 20, 2018 11:25:52 GMT -6
Here is the situation. We picked up a preseason opponent this year that we had never played before. I’ve got a couple of guys I played college ball with on the staff of a team that plays them in conference and one is the DC. I ask the DC twice. First time he said he forgot and would go in the next day and send it. It never came so I left it alone (I’m assuming the HC said no) Now they have a shot at #2 in the conference if they beat this team and the other guy on staff I know is asking me for our game against them. I’m going to ask my HC what he thinks but I thought it was an interesting situation. Would you give them the film or not? If your HC is ok with giving them the film I would give it to them. In the league that we play in there was an agreement between all the head coaches that they would not trade league film with non league opponents. That could have been the case here. It may be worth asking this friend of yours why you couldn't get the film when you needed if. If anything just to put some frustrations behind you. Seems like everyone follows that agreement about as strictly as they follow speed limits.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 18, 2018 11:16:02 GMT -6
" ok get on the line. ..we are fuking running you puss#s.....we just fukin didnt work at all in the weight you you motherfukers..you guys are fukin pussys....our qb gets late hit in the {censored} game and you {censored} do nothing...i would have kicked someone in the {censored} nuts..... {censored} {censored}...we are going to keep {censored} running...and if you dont like the way im {censored} talking you mother {censored} can go ton the superintendent and have me reomved....." something along those lines I see as excessive...others may not That reminded me of this... I grew up in Indiana and loved Bob Knight but I have gotten older and wonder if he could have won without some of the over the top antics. I always try to think if it were my son being coached would I allow it. I think I would let me kid play for Knight but if there were other options I may encourage him to take them. (I won't have to worry about the scholarship situation though unless there's a Fortnite scholarship opportunity he is working for...which is a whole other discussion).
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Post by Defcord on Oct 17, 2018 18:44:29 GMT -6
Alyhough it isn’t directly the same, specialization is pretty much sitting out. Had a stud running back not play basketball one year because he had already committed in football. Had another kid not play in the football all star game because he had committed and didn’t want to mess things up before he went to camp.
I understand the question is a little different. But probably depends a lot on the prospects talents. If you are a marginal kid committed to a MAC then, I can’t imagine the school being real fond of you holding out. But if you are a freak and big time prospect it’s probably not going to hurt as much.
There are probably going to be some slappies that do it just because it’s the “cool” thing to do, but there are still kids smoking cigarettes to show they are hip...can’t save em all.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 17, 2018 11:05:45 GMT -6
Where I am at now if kids cuss on the field they have to do 10 pushupsk, same for the coaches. However, if it is some sort of blatant disrespect then the whole action is taken into account and kids are punished appropriately (would assume the same would apply to coaches but it hasn't happened since I have been here). It's a pretty good policy and even though 10 pushups isn't much it's been enough to keep kids from cussing. I have heard less cussing here than I have in any program that I have been around.
I am not offended by cussing at all but I do think people should be kind and fair to each other. Usually cussing hinders that, but not always. When I coached in college we had two rampant cussers. One of them would cuss kids out in film or in practice after our head coach got on him. It was annoying and surely ineffective. It seemed like a defensive response for passing the buck. The other guy that coached was hilarious or colorful. He used every word possible in every way possible but always as a way to highlight or embellish the point we was trying to make. When he started cussing everyone listened...and laughed hysterically. It worked in college; I am not sure there is a place for it in high school.
I must admit I did slip a damn-it in the other day. We were going over a check and I didn't tell the kids correctly and I was mad at myself for setting it up wrong because I didn't want them to delay when we see the formation in the game. I immediately followed the damn-it with a dang-it for cussing and started doing pushups. The kids only heard the dang-it and were like "wow Coach has some self discipline doing pushups for dang-it." But I admitted my mistake and moved on.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 16, 2018 7:22:32 GMT -6
This past Friday night the 1st play of the drive in the 3rd quarter our left guard got tossed for fighting. His replacement, a JV pull up, went into the game and immediately crapped his pants - literally (he had been battling the stomach flu all week). The kid finished out the game and, despite being on the small side, played very well. Everything went better than expected. I would say if a kid can shitt his pants and keep playing, he's going to be okay!
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Post by Defcord on Oct 14, 2018 10:07:59 GMT -6
My first boss called the offense, but it was his defense. He had a defensive play caller for game days, but could override him on any call if he didn't like it. I have seen this before but it’s an off arrangement. If the head coach is actually running the defense and doing the game planning it makes sense. But if the head coach is hands off until things get hot then once to jump in and call the shots, I think it is bs. It’s his team but I don’t think you can have it both ways. Either it’s your defense or it’s not. In your instance it sounds like it’s the head coach’s defense and he fully invested so I see no issue with it.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 11, 2018 16:27:36 GMT -6
As mentioned, depending on your situation, that stuff should be picked up before film.
You have two guys trying to be funny and if it’s a one time deal and legitimately a joke, especially if they knew your were filming, well I think it’s clever.
If they are just being slappies and this is a regular thing, then you have issues.
We are getting to that point in the year where energy and focus are starting to decline. We as coaches have to find a way, to avoid the drop off.
We had s similar situation Tuesday. Our scout team quarterback was having a particularly poor day. Our db coach asked him what was going on. He told the coach the dbs told him to just throw it to them so they look good. That’s not the way you would like to see a senior laden team respond to their first loss. Hc addressed it Wednesday so hopefully we got it straightened out.
Kids these days........probably kids all days.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 11, 2018 7:32:39 GMT -6
That’s true but I would rather my safety understand where his run fit is and make the tackle for a two yard gain than just waiting to see where it’s going and running it down got a 8+ yard gain. I agree. My point wasn’t that run fits weren’t important. Just that if I had to choose 11 guys I would rather have 11 dudes that want to get to the ball and have to teach them the best way, than the guys who know exactly what to do but are straight up vag when they get there. Gotta have the dudes that’s for sure. We agree here. Timidity is he biggest defensive killer in my opinion.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 10, 2018 17:45:23 GMT -6
Good post. This is an issue that I've run into as well as a DC. I've run across my fair share of coaches over the years that feel that proper defensive football just means "being an athlete, flying around, and finding the ball". It's a great philosophy because you're never wrong as a coach; "we just don't have the kids". I will take 11 guys that fly around and find the ball. Defense is so much harder than offense to coordinate but when you boil it down defense is about pursuit. Yeah you have to coordinate that pursuit but if you can get dudes flying to the ball you’re going to be good on d. That’s true but I would rather my safety understand where his run fit is and make the tackle for a two yard gain than just waiting to see where it’s going and running it down got a 8+ yard gain.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 10, 2018 11:11:26 GMT -6
IMO, a smart HC will take over the defense if he has a smart, qualified coach to install and run the offense. In my experience, many coaches underestimate how difficult it can be to run a sound, effective defense. Especially if you're going to see a wide variety of offenses within your schedule. I've been both an OC and a DC and, IMO, installing and running a sound defense takes more forethought and practice time coordination than an offense does. Funny, I was a career DC but I feel the other way. Calling defense is somewhat easy. When in doubt call "Base". What happens when you are in your base and they come out in empty and then run a motion into quads. The base defense can get a little sketchy pretty quickly. I think both are equally tactical and take preparation and understanding. I think people tend to overlook that more when thinking about the defense. We had this discussion on the last staff I worked with. Hc: can’t such and such play defensive line? He’s a pretty good athlete. Me: well we have tried him but he wasn’t great at reacting to blocks or spilling the football. Hc: does that really matter if he just gets through and puts pressure on them. Me: yeah, a little bit it does. When he just runs himself out of the play, leaves us unsound in our run fits. Hc: well just tell him to beat the block and find the football Me: would you ever tell your qb to “just read the end” on power read with no other instruction. Hc: well it’s not that simple. Me: exactly
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