coachrj
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Post by coachrj on Oct 25, 2018 10:14:59 GMT -6
Talking about the kids in your position group here.
Would love to hear not only your opinions, but what is your HC's (or team's) philosophy on the matter. Some HC's encourage coaching across positions, which don't get me wrong can have its benefits, however, sometimes you get an ill informed coach telling a kid in another position the opposite of what you've taught him. Then again, coaches who don't allow it may be hurting their team by not allowing an experienced coach to lend a hand in a position he may know a lot about (even if it is not the position he coaches).
I'll hang up and listen.
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Post by CanyonCoach on Oct 25, 2018 10:17:33 GMT -6
Paul Golla BIG 3 by position- the only way I would see coaching across position groups.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 25, 2018 10:22:47 GMT -6
Assistants: coach your position group. Talk to the other position coaches if you see something that's not quite right.
Coordinators: coach your position group and all of the positions on your side of the ball. Make sure that you and the assistants are on the same page before hand.
Head coaches: coach everyone as you see fit.
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Post by carookie on Oct 25, 2018 11:02:30 GMT -6
I think CoachCB has it right for a couple reasons. Foremost, my DB coach may think he knows what the DL is supposed to do but his techniques may be different from what we are teaching. There are a million ways to do things but we have ours chosen specifically for a reason. If you go teaching something else you at the least will confuse the players and at the most have them doing things wrong (relative to what we want them to do).
Even if you do teach them the right way you are usurping authority from the position coach, and not allowing him to do his job. We have a rule that unless it is an immediate issue of penalty or injury don't coach outside your position or chain of command.
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Post by agap on Oct 25, 2018 11:21:08 GMT -6
I agree with coachcbThe assistants on our staff really don't coach other positions; instead, they will let the position coach know if they happen to see something. They will coach up other positions when they've heard the same thing from the coordinator multiple times. |
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Post by dytmook on Oct 25, 2018 11:37:31 GMT -6
As an assistant I'll talk to the other coach and ask if what I'm seeing is correct. I will coach WRs and RBs on blocking, but mostly like hand placement and how to handle defenders trying to move away.
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Post by bigmoot on Oct 25, 2018 11:49:08 GMT -6
Assistants: coach your position group. Talk to the other position coaches if you see something that's not quite right. Coordinators: coach your position group and all of the positions on your side of the ball. Make sure that you and the assistants are on the same page before hand. Head coaches: coach everyone as you see fit. This.x1000. |
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Post by wingtol on Oct 25, 2018 12:02:22 GMT -6
I am in a unique and great situation where I have known the HC since we were 4. I'm the DC so obliviously on D I'm saying whatever I want. I also coach the OL so I have control over them as well. After the HC and I we have one other veteran coach who does a great job with DL/OL with me. Other guys are good guys but drill runners in all fairness so having coached with our HC for 15 years now if I see something I correct it. Not all staffs can work that way nor should all coaches correct anyone but he's comfortable with me doing it having experience in our system to work off of.
Been so long since I have been on another staff not sure how it would work out if I had to start on a new staff.
But I agree in most places it runs down hill HC can do what they want, coordinators are in charge of their side of the ball, and assistants watch their guys and can't get upset on the field if a coordinator or HC coaches their group up,
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Post by olcoach53 on Oct 25, 2018 12:14:35 GMT -6
Coach your position group. As a coordinator it is your job to understand what everybody on that side of the ball is doing. As a HC it is your job to understand what BOTH sides of the ball are doing. If you are just an assistant you should be able to handle your substitutions and personnel. NEVER make a substitution for a group that isn't yours. Even as a coordinator or HC you should still communicate WHY the substitution is happening.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Oct 25, 2018 12:18:39 GMT -6
I don't fully trust everybody else to completely know what I teach and what exactly I want.
So, please don't coach my guys. Chances are, I've told them to be polite to you, but not actually follow your coaching.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 25, 2018 13:24:04 GMT -6
There are always exceptions to what I posted above.
Our DC is the DL coach so I become the "secondary DC" in Skelly sessions. Our DB coach is responsible for making sure the correct routes are being run, our OLB coach works with all of the LBs and I work with everyone. But, this is something that was discussed with everyone beforehand. And, I talked with the DB coach to make sure he and I are on the same page in terms of what HE is teaching. There are times when our DB coach plays scout team QB (dude is FAST and has cannon for an arm) and we follow the same process.
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Post by Defcord on Oct 25, 2018 14:39:54 GMT -6
Should be very little technique coaching across position groups. I am the defensive coordinator and I still try not to coach guys outside of my position group. Sometimes I have to but on most occasions I am standing with the other two defensive coaches and I tell them what I saw and those guys get in and Coach it up.
I think the position coach has such a tighter relationship with the players that they in most cases can communicate corrections more efficiently.
I agree head coach has the right to coach whoever but I think he should only do it if he is actively involved in the group. I worked for a guy that was hc and oc and never said a word about defense until littlest thing went wrong on Friday night. He would start yelling to do this or that or put in this kid or that kid but really he had no clue. I was just a position coach. I never thought it was fair to our dc.
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Post by blb on Oct 25, 2018 14:50:01 GMT -6
The head coach, or perhaps coordinator, should be the only one(s) who can crossover to comment-criticize on another position group during practice.
If an assistant feels his players are being affected by the play of another group - that is for staff meeting after practice.
For ex. - Why would a DB coach be watching DL instead of his own players?
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Post by dblwngr on Oct 25, 2018 16:38:59 GMT -6
Every staff is different, hard to compare one staff to the other.
With our staff, we have a good deal of experience among us and are all good friends with zero egos. We all go into the game plan together and are on the same page after our weekend meeting. I'm the oline coach and D cord, if I see a coach helping another position, I know he's coaching him up according to our game plan and technique used. The more eyes helping the better!
Now if it was rogue coach pumping his own coaching philosophy into a kid that was opposite of what we were trying to accomplish....well that's a different story.
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Post by carookie on Oct 25, 2018 19:56:50 GMT -6
There are always exceptions to what I posted above. Our DC is the DL coach so I become the "secondary DC" in Skelly sessions. Our DB coach is responsible for making sure the correct routes are being run, our OLB coach works with all of the LBs and I work with everyone. But, this is something that was discussed with everyone beforehand. And, I talked with the DB coach to make sure he and I are on the same page in terms of what HE is teaching. There are times when our DB coach plays scout team QB (dude is FAST and has cannon for an arm) and we follow the same process. This is something to note as a legit caveat. If a given position coach is busy elsewhere, or you are defacto the coordinator over a small group drill then things change. |
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Post by stilltryin on Oct 26, 2018 5:58:25 GMT -6
I think a lot of it has to do with the rapport of your staff, and the expertise each guy brings to the table.
We have a lot of guys who have coached together for years ... and in many cases played with or for other coaches on the staff before that. A lot of trust in that room, and no turf wars that I've ever seen. In my case I coach DBs, but our quarterback coach played and coached the secondary, and our AD, who used to be the head coach, is a former DC and secondary coach (and my tutor when I came back to coaching). So anytime we're in 7 on 7 or team defensive period, and either of them wants to watch one side while I'm watching the other, coach up a particular kid, or chime in on what they're seeing, I'm more than comfortable with their input, and grateful for the help.
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Post by echoofthewhistle on Oct 26, 2018 8:51:17 GMT -6
I think it depends on the situation, as the replies show it depends on continuity and knowledge. Whereas, the staff I'm on currently I don't want anybody else besides the other line coach or our OC instructing our kids on technique. Especially because in this situation anybody else giving instruction doesn't know anything about OL and is often communicating during the same time I'm trying to.
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Post by joelee on Oct 26, 2018 9:17:17 GMT -6
Assistants: coach your position group. Talk to the other position coaches if you see something that's not quite right. Coordinators: coach your position group and all of the positions on your side of the ball. Make sure that you and the assistants are on the same page before hand. Head coaches: coach everyone as you see fit. We adhere to this with the addition that all coaches can coach behavior and effort standards we have established on all players. |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 26, 2018 11:39:09 GMT -6
Assistants: coach your position group. Talk to the other position coaches if you see something that's not quite right. Coordinators: coach your position group and all of the positions on your side of the ball. Make sure that you and the assistants are on the same page before hand. Head coaches: coach everyone as you see fit. We adhere to this with the addition that all coaches can coach behavior and effort standards we have established on all players. We do this as well. It works as long as the staff is on an even keel and follows policy, verbatim. It just takes one coach who loses his chit over coachable issues (not behavioral), disciplines a kid and it's all goes to hell. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 26, 2018 11:49:48 GMT -6
Assistants: coach your position group. Talk to the other position coaches if you see something that's not quite right. Coordinators: coach your position group and all of the positions on your side of the ball. Make sure that you and the assistants are on the same page before hand. Head coaches: coach everyone as you see fit. The only friggin way to do it. PERIOD. If you're the WR coach and you step on my schwanz as OL coach I hope to hell your kids don't run one bad route, miss a block, drop a pass, etc bc that makes you a DOUCHE BAG. How is the WR coach watching the OL to even offer advice on technique? All you ever hear are legendary phrases like "HIT SOME BODEEEE" which should get you fired on the spot. Anyone that yells "TACKLE!" or "HIT SOME BODEEE" should owe the staff a case of beer. |
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Post by IronmanFootball on Oct 26, 2018 11:51:17 GMT -6
I don't fully trust everybody else to completely know what I teach and what exactly I want. So, please don't coach my guys. Chances are, I've told them to be polite to you, but not actually follow your coaching. My direct orders are "smile, nod, say yes sir, forget what you heard, unless it's from me or the HC" |
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Post by WTR on Oct 26, 2018 12:18:18 GMT -6
I was DC and/or HC for the last 13 years. This current season I wanted to take a step back and took a job at a bigger school as just a position coach. It has been hard for me not to coach something up when I see it. My old school was small and most years there was only 3-4 coaches on staff and we all coach it up. I really like the new staff and don't think they would have any issues, because I don't at all, but I still try my best not to do it.
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Post by fantom on Oct 26, 2018 12:34:28 GMT -6
Talking about the kids in your position group here. Would love to hear not only your opinions, but what is your HC's (or team's) philosophy on the matter. Some HC's encourage coaching across positions, which don't get me wrong can have its benefits, however, sometimes you get an ill informed coach telling a kid in another position the opposite of what you've taught him. Then again, coaches who don't allow it may be hurting their team by not allowing an experienced coach to lend a hand in a position he may know a lot about (even if it is not the position he coaches). I'll hang up and listen. The HC, of course, can do whatever he wants. I do not like other coaches coaching guys in my position group (outside of generic stuff like telling them to hustle) and I don't do it to others. Too many voices jumble the message. |
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Post by groundchuck on Oct 28, 2018 18:46:35 GMT -6
In my opinion the only coach(es) allowed to coach across positions are the head coach and coordinators. When I was a head coach I rarely coached across a position group. Instead I would talk to the position coach and let him make the correction. Yes sometimes I am sure I did step on toes but I guess if you're the head coach you can do that.
Where I draw the line is position coaches coaching other positions. I am currently a DBs coach and frankly I don't even watch what the DL does in team at practice because I am too busy coaching my own group. If you are really 100% invested in your own position unit how can you coach another one at the same time? Now if I do notice something I always bring it up to their position coach.
Too many cooks spoil the soup. The head coach can. The coordinators can. But that's it.
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Post by newhope on Oct 29, 2018 12:11:05 GMT -6
Assistants: coach your position group. Talk to the other position coaches if you see something that's not quite right. Coordinators: coach your position group and all of the positions on your side of the ball. Make sure that you and the assistants are on the same page before hand. Head coaches: coach everyone as you see fit. This |
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Post by coachcb on Oct 29, 2018 12:48:18 GMT -6
In my opinion the only coach(es) allowed to coach across positions are the head coach and coordinators. When I was a head coach I rarely coached across a position group. Instead I would talk to the position coach and let him make the correction. Yes sometimes I am sure I did step on toes but I guess if you're the head coach you can do that. Where I draw the line is position coaches coaching other positions. I am currently a DBs coach and frankly I don't even watch what the DL does in team at practice because I am too busy coaching my own group. If you are really 100% invested in your own position unit how can you coach another one at the same time? Now if I do notice something I always bring it up to their position coach. Too many cooks spoil the soup. The head coach can. The coordinators can. But that's it. Yup, in my HC roles, one of two things happened. Either I pulled the assistant aside and things got taken care of. Or, I pulled them aside, things didn't get taken care of and they lost their position. |
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