humble
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Post by humble on Nov 14, 2018 8:30:02 GMT -6
Do you emphasize this in your program? Why or why not?
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Post by CS on Nov 14, 2018 8:32:19 GMT -6
Do you emphasize this in your program? Why or why not? Depends on the starter |
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Post by coachklee on Nov 14, 2018 8:39:27 GMT -6
Most our guys are over 30 minutes, but I'd say only about 10-15 minutes of that watching time is reviewing themselves from an critical / coaching themselves to get better stand point. Based on conversations I over hear during our RTI time or at the beginning or end of classes, most of that watching time is from an entertainment / look at my highlight mindset.
Still...watching themselves play football is better than not watching any film of themselves / ourselves!
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Post by 44dlcoach on Nov 14, 2018 10:06:56 GMT -6
I wish they watched more, but I've had damn good players over the years who could do their job consistently and that hudl timer showed 0 every week.
I've also had guys that felt the need to watch a lot of film to be prepared.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Nov 14, 2018 11:06:59 GMT -6
It has been a battle in our program but after a couple years the vast majority of players have gone from watching zero film all year to 1-2 hours per week. It's not hard to tell who is watching film and who is not, it becomes very evident very quickly during practice.
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Post by blb on Nov 14, 2018 11:13:52 GMT -6
Doesn't anybody watch film as a team anymore?
What do you do about kid(s) who don't have the technology at home to watch HUDL? Can they do it on their phones assuming they have one?
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Post by msimon on Nov 14, 2018 11:40:36 GMT -6
I think a lot of kids need to be taught to watch film before it can be made an expectation.
Otherwise it's just kids looking to roast each other over mistakes in practice or make fun of opposing players because they don't know what to look for.
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Post by tabs52 on Nov 14, 2018 11:41:16 GMT -6
We still watch film as a team, not a fan, I would rather sit with my line group and discuss certain aspects of the film then in team room,
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Post by IronmanFootball on Nov 14, 2018 11:46:26 GMT -6
I create little teaching tapes. I will circle things and write in the boxes. I feel 12 clips is probably enough for last week and 12 is enough for the next week. Anymore than that and you're losing people (coaches included).
Work smart, not hard. Teach smart, not hard.
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Post by agap on Nov 14, 2018 11:56:41 GMT -6
We'll watch a playlist on Mondays. Some players watch a lot of film over the weekend of our last game and the upcoming opponent, but others don't. I tell them to watch film but it's something I really can't control outside of practice.
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Post by carookie on Nov 14, 2018 11:59:09 GMT -6
I think a lot of kids need to be taught to watch film before it can be made an expectation. Otherwise it's just kids looking to roast each other over mistakes in practice or make fun of opposing players because they don't know what to look for. I think this is a good point. We model how to watch film with our younger players, and teach them not to be a fan when watching film. When watching opponent film we put ourselves in a call and look at it through that lens. |
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humble
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Post by humble on Nov 14, 2018 12:34:09 GMT -6
Next year I think we may put up a board. One column for name and one column for amount of film watched. No reward, but everyone seeing that your name isn't up there would motivate them.
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Post by mkuempel on Nov 14, 2018 13:29:01 GMT -6
In the past I gave helmet stickers to those who attended team film sessions on Saturday morning or Sunday evening or those who watched an hour or more before practice started on Monday. Initially I had a number of complaints of kids watching in study halls and things, but eventually those complaints stopped.
Currently we watch a playlist with the team with comments and after we have watched the film the entire film along with the playlists get shared with the players, including the notes so it's much more difficult to watch as a fan.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 14, 2018 13:58:07 GMT -6
We watch a lot of film as a team. We meet Monday-Wednesday mornings at 7am and knock out 45 minutes. Monday, we watch our game in position groups and break things down and we watch the next week's team on Tuesday and Wednesday, also in position groups. They're interactive sessions and the kids have film break down sheets to fill out as we go through it.
The kids were frustrated with the amount of film we were watching initially but they learned to love it, particularly break-down of that week's opponent. Our defense played with much more confidence this year as they were never shocked by anything a team tossed at us as a) they'd seen it on film and b) they'd lined up to it and defended it during the week.
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Post by tabs52 on Nov 15, 2018 8:14:11 GMT -6
I remember reading somewhere that if you are not watching with a Notebook, then you are wasting time, I also believe guys watch film to put stars by their name and not truly watch what is going on
I think one thing I am going to have my LB's do next year is watch film and Pad the games just so I know they are watching film
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Post by coachks on Nov 15, 2018 8:52:30 GMT -6
I create little teaching tapes. I will circle things and write in the boxes. I feel 12 clips is probably enough for last week and 12 is enough for the next week. Anymore than that and you're losing people (coaches included). Work smart, not hard. Teach smart, not hard. This is basically what I do as well. 10 corrections from the game (practice or whatever) + 10 or so things about the next opponent (Typically formation checks, motions, tendency stuff... highlight the top 2 or 3 runs/passes... whatever is important for the week). As the season goes on, I eliminate the corrections (we do it as a group on Monday) and do more scouting stuff (at some point, you have seen yourself enough). Some opponents are pretty basic, and there are only 5-10 clips. Some opponents run 2 or 3 different offenses so they get more clips. It does help me limit what we do defensively... if I look at the film list and there are 30 some clips of checks and adjustments then we need to cut some of that out. |
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Post by kylem56 on Nov 15, 2018 8:57:10 GMT -6
About midway through the season, we had every defensive starter create a 1 clip playlist of our upcoming opponent's film with notes on it and share it with me, we then would watch those as a unit on Thursday. Even getting them to break down 1 play with their notes based on practice and scouting report information was something.
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Post by brian3413 on Nov 15, 2018 9:14:36 GMT -6
It varies dramatically. Our 2 way first team player watched multiple hours a week and another starter never did.
We watch film with our players twice a week, never as a team only position groups
Sundays - 30 mins of each side of the ball watching the previous Friday
Wednesdays - 30 mins of each side of the ball watching practice film from Monday and Tuesday
We install Offense on Monday for 45 mins and Defense on Tuesday. Usually there is some film in there of our opponent.
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Post by fshamrock on Nov 15, 2018 9:59:41 GMT -6
I can get out of hand quickly...we tell our players after every practice to get on a watch film on our opponents,very few bother to do it and we don't enforce it. Sometimes after a game if we mis align to a funny formation we yell at them because they don't watch film. I think we'd be better off giving them something specific to watch. If I were to tell a kid hey man look up the iso's from the past three games and you can see how they block it. I might have a chance, saying "watch hudl" is like telling a kid he needs to "lift this summer" and then leave him alone, then get pissed off when he isn't bigger
If there's nothing specific that you want them to watch, then just don't ask them to watch film that week, it isn't the end of world.
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humble
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Post by humble on Nov 15, 2018 10:10:48 GMT -6
Of the films we break down I put all of their pass plays in a playlist and all of their run plays in a playlist. This helps the players watch it a bit easier without watching a bunch of stuff at one time that doesn't apply to them. You can usually watch every offensive play they have ran the last 3 games in about 25 mins doing it this way.
For example, this week it was:
" X's Offense"
"X's Run Plays"
"X's Pass Plays"
"X's Special Teams"
"X's Defense"
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Post by coachlawson on Nov 15, 2018 10:36:16 GMT -6
We watch a lot of film as a team. We meet Monday-Wednesday mornings at 7am and knock out 45 minutes. Monday, we watch our game in position groups and break things down and we watch the next week's team on Tuesday and Wednesday, also in position groups. They're interactive sessions and the kids have film break down sheets to fill out as we go through it. The kids were frustrated with the amount of film we were watching initially but they learned to love it, particularly break-down of that week's opponent. Our defense played with much more confidence this year as they were never shocked by anything a team tossed at us as a) they'd seen it on film and b) they'd lined up to it and defended it during the week. Hey coach I'm interested in the break down sheets you use with your players. What do these look like? What do they include? That's a great idea and I would like to learn more. Thanks! |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 15, 2018 10:58:55 GMT -6
Yes it is emphasized heavily.
Year 1- we asked the kids to do it on their time...big mistake as they had no idea what they were looking at. I considered that a coaching fail as they were never taught how to watch it.
Year 2 and beyond- current schedule of film is:
Monday - Meetings and Film for 2hrs, but optional continuation of film that sometimes goes for another hr or 2.
Tuesday- post-practice film session for 30 mins - OL/QBs, LB/DL
Wednesday- post-practice film session for 30 mins - QBs/WR/RB, LB
Thursday- post-practice team dinner and film session for 20-30mins - mixed offense, DBs
Friday- pre-game meetings with short film 10mins - SPT, followed by Def/Off
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Post by carookie on Nov 15, 2018 11:13:40 GMT -6
Couple questions-
Are we talking about watching film of themselves or film of the opposition?
With film in general, when do you reach a point of zero returns on watching more film? If you have a lineman who stands straight up after the snap on every play, how many times does he need to see it on film to make him realize he does this? Five snaps? Ten? Two hours worth of film? I see the value of film in such an instance, but does continually beating this horse correlate to greater on the field improvement of technique (and if so at what point do we finally see the breakthrough).
Along the same lines, watching opponent film. Lets say they run counter a lot out of I-Slot, how many times watching them run counter out of I-Slot do you need to make an impact on the field? Would watching it for an hour on film better be used with say 20 min on film and 30 min watching the scout team walk it through?
I agree that film is a useful tool, but I think many coaches see film as a tool that never dulls; refusing to recognize a point where extra viewing yields no more returns. Maybe its just me, but I see it as another "we grind" type of coaching.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 15, 2018 11:13:42 GMT -6
We watch a lot of film as a team. We meet Monday-Wednesday mornings at 7am and knock out 45 minutes. Monday, we watch our game in position groups and break things down and we watch the next week's team on Tuesday and Wednesday, also in position groups. They're interactive sessions and the kids have film break down sheets to fill out as we go through it. The kids were frustrated with the amount of film we were watching initially but they learned to love it, particularly break-down of that week's opponent. Our defense played with much more confidence this year as they were never shocked by anything a team tossed at us as a) they'd seen it on film and b) they'd lined up to it and defended it during the week. Hey coach I'm interested in the break down sheets you use with your players. What do these look like? What do they include? That's a great idea and I would like to learn more. Thanks! Our OC put them together and it just has pretty basic stuff that's Defensive focus:Formations, plays, blocking schemes, routes, their good players, certain keys, etc.. Offensive focus: fronts, coverages, blitzes, better players, keys, etc.. On the bottom of the sheet, we ask them to list at least five specific tasks that they need to do well (in each of their positions) against the team. Certain things are regurgitated each week but there's always some that are very specific to the team we're seeing. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 15, 2018 11:39:42 GMT -6
I make playlists for the kids and COMMENT on about 90% of the plays..Most kids (and many coaches) just watch film with no agenda in mind. The playlists are genrally 8-12 plays they can watch on their phone and in class ( i mean inbetween class)
I will also, on the plays slide, ask the kids a silly question, and have them text me the answer..Also will sometimes award a gatorade or $1 to the 3rd kid that texts me. just stuff like that to try to make it a little fun
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 15, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -6
We still watch film as a team, not a fan, I would rather sit with my line group and discuss certain aspects of the film then in team room, we will mix it up, sometimes watching as a team, sometimes as in groups..we wil watch as a team if I have to call out a starter so my position coach doesn't have too. I will also watch together to show good pursuit tackling etc |
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Post by chi5hi on Nov 15, 2018 14:34:02 GMT -6
Do you emphasize this in your program? Why or why not? No. They're young and the game, from eye level, looks different to them than from a crow's nest view. They're not coaches. They don't really know what they're looking at, or looking FOR. |
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Post by Coach Risch on Nov 16, 2018 11:10:13 GMT -6
This is my first year as a Head Coach and at this school. From what I heard in the past the kids never watched film. I also heard that the coaches did not put in much time watching film. I say this to point out that some of the football knowledge that we have in our program right now is very low. Because of this we put a lot of emphasis on watching film. I will look every couple week to see how much film is being watched but I do not check it regularly and do not keep track of it.
We come in as a team on Saturdays to watch film for about an hour, we do not get through much of the game because we pause and talk our way through it. They also have a break down sheet for them to fill out individually from our game. We are fortunate that every kid has a school issued computer, and I tell them that if they need to stay longer after Saturday film to get their breakdown done they can do that for internet access. I have had some do that throughout the season.
Then I send out a Scouting report Saturday evening with a film breakdown sheet for our upcoming opponent.
Monday mornings we meet and go through the scouting report and watch some cut ups that the coaching staff has prepared. Their breakdown sheets for our previous game are due Monday morning.
I do not require them to turn in the Opponent Scout sheet, but we do reference it throughout the week and we talk to the kids in their positions groups about some of those things they should be seeing as they watch film. Some of them are on top of it and really chime in and even add things that they have seen when those conversations are happening and some do not.
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Game Breakdown Sheet
List (about 3) the play numbers that you did your job and describe what you did. List (about 3) the play numbers that you did not do your job on and describe what you should have done. List (about 3) things that you need to work on this week. List (about 3) things that we can do as a team to improve. Vote for Offensive and Defensive Players of the Game. Why do they deserve it.
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Opponent Scout Sheet
Who is their biggest offensive threat they have? How do they use him? Who are the players (2-3 on Off and Def) that I will line up across from? What do they do well and what is a weakness that I can take advantage of? What is their defensive scheme? Are their DL penetrators or occupiers? What coverage(s) do they use on defense?
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Post by Sonofahitch on Nov 18, 2018 21:22:09 GMT -6
We film our Group and Team periods during practice each day (if you can afford an $800 purchase a drone is the way to go!), and I make a playlist of 7-10 plays that we review as a team the next day immediately after school. All I do is highlight a particular player, then I make them correct themselves in the meeting. Nine times out of ten, they recognize their mistake. Each meeting takes 10-15 minutes, never more.
We watch film of ourselves (from the previous game) and of our upcoming opponents on Saturday mornings, also. That's usually 45 minutes to an hour, depending on attention spans.
Recently I've started making cutups of our opponents against teams who run similar systems or concepts. I share those with the kids and ask them to watch at home or during a free period at school. Again, 7-10 plays. Takes 10 minutes to watch it. I ask questions on the field during practice to see who watched and who didn't. A few of our really conscientious guys watch it, most don't.
In my opinion, the practice film is the most important thing because it allows us to fix mistakes before a game.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 18, 2018 21:59:53 GMT -6
Do you emphasize this in your program? Why or why not? No. They're young and the game, from eye level, looks different to them than from a crow's nest view. They're not coaches. They don't really know what they're looking at, or looking FOR. I was going to bring up this point. I am not sure if anyone could ever test out the effectiveness of film, but I wonder how much film actually helps given the fact that the perspective is 3 person as opposed to first person. |
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