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Post by fshamrock on Jan 21, 2016 11:00:20 GMT -6
Might be another thread completely, and I'm sure I'm about to get smacked with any number of internet tomatoes, but maybe there's somebody else in the wide world who feels the way I do. Don't we take this lifting weights stuff just a touch too seriously in our sport anyway? Every other sport in the world actually "does" the sport in the off-season. Basketball players hoop, baseball players hit and field etc. Other sports implement lifting as a supplement to training for the actual sport, for some reason when our season is over we don't do anything that resembles football at all for months and spend all of that time running around cones(carioca?)and lifting. I know football is a contact sport that requires strength more so than others, but MMA fighters and wrestlers don't even do as much lifting as we do, it's a supplement to the purpose, which is becoming better wrestlers/fighters, It feels to we lost our way somehow and everybody started putting the cart before the horse. I think if you lifted kids twice a week on squats/bench/chin-ups/cleans whatever, institute the principles of progressive overload so they get stronger,then spent the rest of the time working on actual football skills you'd be a lot better off.
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Post by fantom on Jan 21, 2016 11:09:12 GMT -6
Might be another thread completely, and I'm sure I'm about to get smacked with any number of internet tomatoes, but maybe there's somebody else in the wide world who feels the way I do. Don't we take this lifting weights stuff just a touch too seriously in our sport anyway? Every other sport in the world actually "does" the sport in the off-season. Basketball players hoop, baseball players hit and field etc. Other sports implement lifting as a supplement to training for the actual sport, for some reason when our season is over we don't do anything that resembles football at all for months and spend all of that time running around cones(carioca?)and lifting. I know football is a contact sport that requires strength more so than others, but MMA fighters and wrestlers don't even do as much lifting as we do, it's a supplement to the purpose, which is becoming better wrestlers/fighters, It feels to we lost our way somehow and everybody started putting the cart before the horse. I think if you lifted kids twice a week on squats/bench/chin-ups/cleans whatever, institute the principles of progressive overload so they get stronger,then spent the rest of the time working on actual football skills you'd be a lot better off. It's not legal in many states. Even if it is, who the hell wants to do OL drills year-round?
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Post by 19delta on Jan 21, 2016 11:20:08 GMT -6
Might be another thread completely, and I'm sure I'm about to get smacked with any number of internet tomatoes, but maybe there's somebody else in the wide world who feels the way I do. Don't we take this lifting weights stuff just a touch too seriously in our sport anyway? Every other sport in the world actually "does" the sport in the off-season. Basketball players hoop, baseball players hit and field etc. Other sports implement lifting as a supplement to training for the actual sport, for some reason when our season is over we don't do anything that resembles football at all for months and spend all of that time running around cones(carioca?)and lifting. I know football is a contact sport that requires strength more so than others, but MMA fighters and wrestlers don't even do as much lifting as we do, it's a supplement to the purpose, which is becoming better wrestlers/fighters, It feels to we lost our way somehow and everybody started putting the cart before the horse. I think if you lifted kids twice a week on squats/bench/chin-ups/cleans whatever, institute the principles of progressive overload so they get stronger,then spent the rest of the time working on actual football skills you'd be a lot better off. High school football is far more dependent on absolute strength than any other sport. Those other sports all have a high degree of skill that has to be learned and honed over time. Not to say that there isn't skill involved in football. Just that skills in football are far more effective when executed by big and fast athletes who are brutally strong.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 21, 2016 12:06:03 GMT -6
It would be really hard to justify not playing a kid if he was best at his position because of what he didn't do in the Off-Season. The coaches would know it, he'd know it, the other kids would know it. And what would you tell AD when he-she asked why he wasn't playing - "Because he didn't work out with team in the Off-Season"? That'd go over like a turd in a punch bowl. If the kid is on my team, the best will play. But that means my best 11, not necessarily the 11 best players. Just because someone is athletically better, sometimes your team is better with someone else. I do realize that is not what you are saying. You are not advocating to not do what is best for the team. But @coach5085 has a great point. The player is not more important than the team, and the team really shouldn't be more important than the program. If you start playing kids who don't come to your workouts, how good do you think you will be in a year, two years, five years? It can be a slippery slope and more and more kids might quit coming to your team workouts. But I also recognize the opposite. You have a kid that doesn't come to your workouts and if you play him you go 8-2. If you don't you go 2-8. Maybe you get fired. Maybe since you went 8-2, more kids come out or there is more excitement, or some kids transfer. Maybe if you go 2-8 more kids quit playing or leave the program. Each situation is different and each program and team and kid is different. Ultimately, the coach has to be the one to decide. I will say this, I would not paint myself into a corner. So what do i think the solution is; what would I do? I am at a private school so I can do this, but I also did the same when I was at public school. I coach in Alabama. It is probably different here. A kid that didn't attend our workouts would be suspended for at least one game. Once August came around and we started practice, he would be at our workouts from then on because the workouts would be part of practice. If he hangs with it and does all the practice, running, etc., and serves his suspension, then he is just like every other player. You are either on the team or not. He is on the team. If he helps us win more than someone else, he plays.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 21, 2016 12:10:58 GMT -6
Might be another thread completely, and I'm sure I'm about to get smacked with any number of internet tomatoes, but maybe there's somebody else in the wide world who feels the way I do. Don't we take this lifting weights stuff just a touch too seriously in our sport anyway? Every other sport in the world actually "does" the sport in the off-season. Basketball players hoop, baseball players hit and field etc. Other sports implement lifting as a supplement to training for the actual sport, for some reason when our season is over we don't do anything that resembles football at all for months and spend all of that time running around cones(carioca?)and lifting. I know football is a contact sport that requires strength more so than others, but MMA fighters and wrestlers don't even do as much lifting as we do, it's a supplement to the purpose, which is becoming better wrestlers/fighters, It feels to we lost our way somehow and everybody started putting the cart before the horse. I think if you lifted kids twice a week on squats/bench/chin-ups/cleans whatever, institute the principles of progressive overload so they get stronger,then spent the rest of the time working on actual football skills you'd be a lot better off. First tomato, be ready to duck. We lift for all the sports!! Second tomato, You can't really do football drills all year. Who wants to, illegal, etc. Third tomato, MMA and wrestler fight in weight classes. They need to be trim. Different deal. Fourth tomato, I agree. We only workout twice a week!! Make great progress!! Don't spend the rest of the time on football skills though.
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Post by rosey65 on Jan 21, 2016 12:25:21 GMT -6
Might be another thread completely, and I'm sure I'm about to get smacked with any number of internet tomatoes, but maybe there's somebody else in the wide world who feels the way I do. Don't we take this lifting weights stuff just a touch too seriously in our sport anyway? Every other sport in the world actually "does" the sport in the off-season. Basketball players hoop, baseball players hit and field etc. Other sports implement lifting as a supplement to training for the actual sport, for some reason when our season is over we don't do anything that resembles football at all for months and spend all of that time running around cones(carioca?)and lifting. I know football is a contact sport that requires strength more so than others, but MMA fighters and wrestlers don't even do as much lifting as we do, it's a supplement to the purpose, which is becoming better wrestlers/fighters, It feels to we lost our way somehow and everybody started putting the cart before the horse. I think if you lifted kids twice a week on squats/bench/chin-ups/cleans whatever, institute the principles of progressive overload so they get stronger,then spent the rest of the time working on actual football skills you'd be a lot better off. It's not legal in many states. Even if it is, who the hell wants to do OL drills year-round? Haha!! We love doing our OL drills year-round! Legality is a big issue I have to keep in mind. In FL, we are allowed to do everything except pad up and use a ball. We go 4 days/week, and we get about an hour each day for drill work. 2 days are position-specific things-install, indy, OL steps, etc. 1 day we do team-wide wrestling type drills, and on Fridays we play touch football. We have a coaches draft to start the spring, then you play on that team all spring, 2-3 15 minute games each friday. It was something we instituted to help with attendance, one of the issues behind this thread OP. If my team has all 13 plays show up, and you have 4, then my team is going to stomp you out. It's all ways of helping to drive home the concepts of team and accountability. Oh, we also participate in the county P.A.L. flag football, the umbrella that allows us to do 7-on-7 all spring. Outside of activities and workouts, we spend 70-90 minutes on each of those days lifting. We have won a significant portion of our games over the past few years because of our dedication to weight lifting. Fshamrock, one of the major benefits of lifting is injury prevention. Outside of a few sprained ankles and maybe 1 broken bone per season, we are incredibly injury-free. The times we get banged up is against the few teams we face who also have dedicated weight programs. 2 teams is particular we face, who we know have zero off-season program in place, end games with their sideline looking like a triage center in the ER. And other sports would benefit immensely if they instituted intense weight workouts like football.
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Post by rwb32497 on Jan 21, 2016 12:28:40 GMT -6
We have a kid here that is a 5'11 212 lb Soph. He has maxes of: Bench 415, Squat 485, and a Power Clean of 285 and he is a really good athlete. He plays Defensive line for me. As a sophomore he is the second strongest kid on our team. He absolutely crushes the weight room every single day. The problem is, this past summer the kid showed up to 5 workouts all summer long. I was pissed. I was convinced that I was gonna leave him down on the JV team. He came into camp in great shape and did did a lot of extra work during the school year though. Well, we had some things happen with injuries and such so he ended up starting 6 games for me and had a terrific year. The kid loves body building and constantly post videos of himself on social media lifting and flexing. I really think he may pursue the bodybuilding avenue after his playing days are over. There is no doubt the kid lifted all summer long. Obviously I would prefer he come to our summer sessions but he is gonna play for me if he is the best I got. At this point I would love to have 11 of him on our team. Coach, You have a soph that weighs 212 pounds and he benches 415!!!!!! Did you type that correctly? Was that a true max or something projected. I have coached some super strong kids. The most I have ever had is two seniors that benched 405. They were both huge, seniors, and one was 2nd team All-SEC as a center and the other one won the entire state of Alabama strength competition breaking records. Next, you had a kid that benches 415 and is the second strongest kid on your team and he only started 6 games because other kids got hurt? You thought about leaving him on the JV??? Y'all must be freaking loaded. I mean no offense here and I hope I am wrong, but I would literally bet my house that kid is on roids. Coach, Yes I typed that correctly. It is a running joke at school that he is on something. I have no idea if he is or isn't. We can't test kids. He has the strongest bench press, not the strongest squat or clean. His last testing date with us he got 405. He has a video up doing 415 a few weeks ago. His dad is super strong as well. He has good DNA. Its impressive to see. He has to continue to get better as a football player though. Bench press doesn't win us games. We are not loaded by any means. The kid that is stronger than him is a senior that won the state championship in the weight lifting competition this past season and 2nd the prior year.
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Post by windigo on Jan 21, 2016 12:43:56 GMT -6
I mentioned this before but I had a kid (2 years ago) who just was stretched in too many directions. He wondered what to do if he only had minimal time. I told him to squat as often as he can. He ended up squatting so much he went from @ 315 junior year to 465 senior year. He was good junior year but he was fantastic senior year (all state and helped us get to states) If I had been a "hardliner" like I was way back in my early days (30 years ago), the story would no doubt be a lot different. I would really like to see a survey of coaches age vs. hardass. I think we were all more hardliners when we were younger.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 21, 2016 12:55:54 GMT -6
Coach, You have a soph that weighs 212 pounds and he benches 415!!!!!! Did you type that correctly? Was that a true max or something projected. I have coached some super strong kids. The most I have ever had is two seniors that benched 405. They were both huge, seniors, and one was 2nd team All-SEC as a center and the other one won the entire state of Alabama strength competition breaking records. Next, you had a kid that benches 415 and is the second strongest kid on your team and he only started 6 games because other kids got hurt? You thought about leaving him on the JV??? Y'all must be freaking loaded. I mean no offense here and I hope I am wrong, but I would literally bet my house that kid is on roids. Coach, Yes I typed that correctly. It is a running joke at school that he is on something. I have no idea if he is or isn't. We can't test kids. He has the strongest bench press, not the strongest squat or clean. His last testing date with us he got 405. He has a video up doing 415 a few weeks ago. His dad is super strong as well. He has good DNA. Its impressive to see. He has to continue to get better as a football player though. Bench press doesn't win us games. We are not loaded by any means. The kid that is stronger than him is a senior that won the state championship in the weight lifting competition this past season and 2nd the prior year. WOW
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Post by coachcb on Jan 21, 2016 13:01:22 GMT -6
We don't live in a society that idolizes muscle and strength any more. I will say, I think the pendulum is swinging back in that direction though. With guys like the Rock gaining in popularity I see more HS kids thinking it's cool to be stronger than it is to wear women's jeans. Part of that is in thanks to Crossfit oddly enough. You just have to make sure they know that Crossfit will not get you looking like the Rock. I agree, to a point coach. The pendulum may be swinging back the other way but it's going back to the good ol' days of "why should I listen to the coaches when I can pick up a copy of Muscle and Fitness??" Twenty some odd years ago, my team mates and I watched Strongman competitions and THAT'S what we wanted to be; big, strong dudes that could throw around heavy stuff. I like coaching the throwers in track because I get to show them videos of powerful guys pushing around heavy weight in the gym, throwing shot and discus like monsters and tossing on the kilts and chucking logs. Lol.. Honestly, I've had much more success getting a buy-in from the throwers because they see the immediate benefits of following the program we have laid out. They see that their throws improve with their strength and they feel quicker and more agile in the ring. But the focus in throwing is very narrow; train hard to throw a little bit further every week. It's tougher to sell a football player on the weight room at times because they don't truly see how it's making them better until they step on the field. The throwers I coach get a day or two throwing each week so there's continual reinforcement.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 21, 2016 13:09:21 GMT -6
Might be another thread completely, and I'm sure I'm about to get smacked with any number of internet tomatoes, but maybe there's somebody else in the wide world who feels the way I do. Don't we take this lifting weights stuff just a touch too seriously in our sport anyway? Every other sport in the world actually "does" the sport in the off-season. Basketball players hoop, baseball players hit and field etc. Other sports implement lifting as a supplement to training for the actual sport, for some reason when our season is over we don't do anything that resembles football at all for months and spend all of that time running around cones(carioca?)and lifting. I know football is a contact sport that requires strength more so than others, but MMA fighters and wrestlers don't even do as much lifting as we do, it's a supplement to the purpose, which is becoming better wrestlers/fighters, It feels to we lost our way somehow and everybody started putting the cart before the horse. I think if you lifted kids twice a week on squats/bench/chin-ups/cleans whatever, institute the principles of progressive overload so they get stronger,then spent the rest of the time working on actual football skills you'd be a lot better off. It's not legal in many states. Even if it is, who the hell wants to do OL drills year-round? I'm with you on that one, but I can't imagine it would be any more boring than the 947th day of the clean/snatch, don't get me wrong, I know that lifting is important, but to me it's just a piece of the puzzle, some guys act like it is the whole enchilada. I'll never forget talking to an O-lineman's dad a few years ago. This kids was super strong in the weight room, not an unbelievable football player, but he loved to lift because that's what he really excelled at. So the dad is regaling me about how the kids is going to some seminars for lifting over the summer to try and get his squat up to 800 or some astronomical number. I explained to him that I thought that was awesome for him if that's what he wanted to do but as a football coach I really didn't care, 500 is a plenty strong squat for a high school player and everything above that is cool and all but I'd rather he spend his summer doing something about the fact that he seems to have two left feet. Dad was unhappy, in his mind, lifting a lot of weight meant that his kid was a scholarship type football player.
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Post by windigo on Jan 21, 2016 13:13:31 GMT -6
I think what it comes down to is that you don't treat kids equally. That's just lazy coaching. It's far better to treat kids fairly. A little Herm Edwards I see. Ill admit it I didn't lift with my team. I was stronger than everyone else and my teammates dragged me down. I did every SPA, speed plyometrics and agilities, with my team but they were not good for me lifting. I trained with local powerlifters in a gym that had a chalk floor because those guys could push me.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jan 21, 2016 13:23:15 GMT -6
I was at a clinic last year that a coach in our league was speaking at. He was talking about how their offense is full of next level stuff and how they spent 20 minutes a day in the off season lifting, 20 doing speedwork, and 20 doing drills.
He went on to explain how they need all this drill work in the off season because they need to be able to run this "next level" stuff to compete with our teams big DL every year. I just chuckled to myself, our DL is big because they LIFT in the off season they don't spend 40 minutes running around every workout.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 21, 2016 13:30:03 GMT -6
I was at a clinic last year that a coach in our league was speaking at. He was talking about how their offense is full of next level stuff and how they spent 20 minutes a day in the off season lifting, 20 doing speedwork, and 20 doing drills. He went on to explain how they need all this drill work in the off season because they need to be able to run this "next level" stuff to compete with our teams big DL every year. I just chuckled to myself, our DL is big because they LIFT in the off season they don't spend 40 minutes running around every workout. Awesome!!
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Post by windigo on Jan 21, 2016 13:43:10 GMT -6
Coach, You have a soph that weighs 212 pounds and he benches 415!!!!!! Did you type that correctly? Was that a true max or something projected. No matter how good you are as a strength coach there is no substitute for the genetic lottery. When I first started coaching we had a kid like that. Power lifting meet is being held at our school out of boredom he signs up and wins it. Cant remember the exact numbers but it was 4+ 6+ 6+. A few months later the city youth bodybuilding competition is being held at our school same thing day of he decides to sign up. I show him the mandatory poses, he plays a random song from his ipad for his routine and he wins. He won the biggest youth power lifting and bodybuilding meets of the year and hadn't even trained a day for them. Irony of it all the didn't like football. He was our kicker had immigrated from Argentina and had no desire what so ever to play a position.
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Post by fshamrock on Jan 21, 2016 13:55:49 GMT -6
Coach, You have a soph that weighs 212 pounds and he benches 415!!!!!! Did you type that correctly? Was that a true max or something projected. No matter how good you are as a strength coach there is no substitute for the genetic lottery. When I first started coaching we had a kid like that. Power lifting meet is being held at our school out of boredom he signs up and wins it. Cant remember the exact numbers but it was 4+ 6+ 6+. A few months later the city youth bodybuilding competition is being held at our school same thing day of he decides to sign up. I show him the mandatory poses, he plays a random song from his ipad for his routine and he wins. He won the biggest youth power lifting and bodybuilding meets of the year and hadn't even trained a day for them. Irony of it all the didn't like football. He was our kicker had immigrated from Argentina and had no desire what so ever to play a position. I'm not sure that I've ever heard of a youth bodybuilding competition, much less one at a school. Seems strange, is bodybuilding like a big sport is some part of the world? teenage boys in banana hammocks parading around and posing....seems like that would draw a strange crowd...lotta vans in the parking lot, the kind with curtains on the windows
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 21, 2016 14:10:11 GMT -6
I agree, to a point coach. The pendulum may be swinging back the other way but it's going back to the good ol' days of "why should I listen to the coaches when I can pick up a copy of Muscle and Fitness??" Twenty some odd years ago, my team mates and I watched Strongman competitions and THAT'S what we wanted to be; big, strong dudes that could throw around heavy stuff. I like coaching the throwers in track because I get to show them videos of powerful guys pushing around heavy weight in the gym, throwing shot and discus like monsters and tossing on the kilts and chucking logs. Lol.. Honestly, I've had much more success getting a buy-in from the throwers because they see the immediate benefits of following the program we have laid out. They see that their throws improve with their strength and they feel quicker and more agile in the ring. But the focus in throwing is very narrow; train hard to throw a little bit further every week. It's tougher to sell a football player on the weight room at times because they don't truly see how it's making them better until they step on the field. The throwers I coach get a day or two throwing each week so there's continual reinforcement. There's nothing wrong with some of the stuff in Muscle and Fitness. I mean, if strictly powerlifting made you better at football, why wouldn't powerlifters be in the NFL instead of making peanuts? Same for Crossfit. Whenever kids ask me about Crossfit I tell them it's a nice piece to the puzzle, but if it made you such a great athlete why aren't those guys professional athletes instead. And why aren't the pros all doing Crossfit? I mean, I can hold my own for the most part in the throw around massive weight category, but at the same time I see nothing wrong with doing some supplementary things so you look better. If you're weight room focus is to have a program that trains Strongmen, and there's chalk everywhere just to have chalk everywhere (I don't get the chalk. I'm 40 years old and can bench 315 and squat 415 5 times each without stop at 250lbs and I've never used chalk a day in my life. I just don't get it apparently) and all that stuff, you're probably not going to be all that good at the game of football.
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Post by silkyice on Jan 21, 2016 14:22:56 GMT -6
Good post. I don't use chalk for bench or squat either.
But I sure like it for cleans and deadlift.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 21, 2016 14:33:32 GMT -6
I was at a clinic last year that a coach in our league was speaking at. He was talking about how their offense is full of next level stuff and how they spent 20 minutes a day in the off season lifting, 20 doing speedwork, and 20 doing drills. He went on to explain how they need all this drill work in the off season because they need to be able to run this "next level" stuff to compete with our teams big DL every year. I just chuckled to myself, our DL is big because they LIFT in the off season they don't spend 40 minutes running around every workout. Missed your chance, big dog. Should've stood up, said "That's MY defensive line he's talking about and you can buy my DVD in the hallway..."
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Post by newt21 on Jan 22, 2016 7:25:05 GMT -6
I think the parents and the players need to understand something. You offer your year around program to help them. Its for them. secondly, you value your program, that's why its the program you have in place. you hang your hat on something and you evaluate it and you evaluate your participants. third, those players that are involved in your program and are better than those who are not, will play over those that are not. kids who do not participate are difficult to evaluate. We look to replace the ones we can replace as soon as we can replace them if they have not bought in. we don't replace a kid to punish him or punish the team, we replace a kid to reward the kids who buy in and thus help the program grow. Ultimately, when its even between two kids...one who is coached up all year around and evaluated all year long and the other who disappears like a ghost in the off season....the kid who you have come to know and love and respect by seeing him every day, evaluating every day and the kid who has built the bond with his teammates, the one who the others have come to respect...that kid is going to get the nod. After reading the 6 pages of this thread, this is my entire philosophy regarding off-season workouts. You do all you can to get them there, reward the ones who show up and give them every opportunity for pt you can over the ones who don't but at the end of the day if another kid is better you gotta play 'em. This past season I had one QB who wasn't nearly as gifted as another on any level but he started every game and played the vast majority of the snaps because the other kid who missed all summer came out and never got a grasp of the offense. The kids who show up end up with a head start and sometimes athleticism isn't enough to overcome that. The team wasn't punished because the less talented kid started because he was able to run the offense better, although the offense could have been much better had the other kid showed up all summer also.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 22, 2016 8:24:45 GMT -6
Good post. I don't use chalk for bench or squat either. But I sure like it for cleans and deadlift. My problem with deadlift isn't the grip, it's keeping my under hand closed. I just got back into it about 3 weeks ago and did 405 5 times last night for my last set, but man, it was really hard keeping my hand closed. It wasn't slipping because of moisture, just really heavy. Someone suggested using straps and I might try that. I've never used those either. I don't really clean much. Especially heavy. It's not really what I'm going for at this point.
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Post by newt21 on Jan 22, 2016 8:33:00 GMT -6
Good post. I don't use chalk for bench or squat either. But I sure like it for cleans and deadlift. My problem with deadlift isn't the grip, it's keeping my under hand closed. I just got back into it about 3 weeks ago and did 405 5 times last night for my last set, but man, it was really hard keeping my hand closed. It wasn't slipping because of moisture, just really heavy. Someone suggested using straps and I might try that. I've never used those either. I don't really clean much. Especially heavy. It's not really what I'm going for at this point. Use the hook grip, no need for an unneeded purchase
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 22, 2016 8:46:33 GMT -6
Had to look that one up. Thanks coach. We already have some straps at the school, but I'll give that a shot. I like to use as few accessories or aids as possible when lifting. Kinda the harder you make lifting, the easier life will be kind of thing.
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Post by mariner42 on Jan 22, 2016 10:50:52 GMT -6
Had to look that one up. Thanks coach. We already have some straps at the school, but I'll give that a shot. I like to use as few accessories or aids as possible when lifting. Kinda the harder you make lifting, the easier life will be kind of thing. Work your way into hook gripping, though. It takes some getting used to.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 22, 2016 11:07:26 GMT -6
Thank you for the advice. I'll mess around with it.
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 22, 2016 13:02:21 GMT -6
"If you start playing kids who don't come to your workouts, how good do you think you will be in a year, two years, five years? It can be a slippery slope and more and more kids might quit coming to your team workouts."
The real issue is that if you don't play the good kids the admin will raise questions about what you are doing. You have to play the best kids, people expect that. Bigger schools have more good kids so you can bench more people for skipping workouts, small schools- no way. Your competition will put out a bunch of kids who don't lift and are still better than your skinny "webuyins"- play the best kids, love the kids that buy in - get them on the field as soon as it makes sense to do so. Get the others off the field as soon as it makes sense to do so. Just my approach.
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Post by bookoo2323 on Jan 22, 2016 14:10:15 GMT -6
Exactly, as an Athletic Director and coach i couldn't side with you that crossfit isn't lifting Larrymoe. I'm not dying on that hill with you
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 22, 2016 17:57:27 GMT -6
Exactly, as an Athletic Director and coach i couldn't side with you that crossfit isn't lifting Larrymoe. I'm not dying on that hill with you What?
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Post by 19delta on Jan 22, 2016 18:20:00 GMT -6
Good post. I don't use chalk for bench or squat either. But I sure like it for cleans and deadlift. Yep. Snatches and chins/pulls, too. And not opposed to chalk for barbell rowing and shrugs. A weight room without chalk is like Guinness without Bass!
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Post by 19delta on Jan 22, 2016 18:29:04 GMT -6
Thank you for the advice. I'll mess around with it. One thing about the hook grip... It works best with a good Olympic barbell with a 28mm shaft. I've been in more than a few weightrooms where the shaft on the barbell is significantly thicker. It's quite a bit harder to use the hook grip on those bars. I will say this...if you use a hook grip with a really good Olympic bar (like a Pendlay), you will never want to use anything else again.
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