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Post by fantom on Jun 30, 2014 10:24:04 GMT -6
How many of you script group sessions (Inside, Pass Skelly, and Team) in practice? If not, why not?
We strictly script every group period, The script is written by the coordinator. In Inside and Pass the script includes: Play #, Scout Card #, Play, Defense. For Team it looks like this:
PLAY # CARD DOWN DISTANCE HASH PLAY DEFENSE COMMENT (Special instructions like "QB scramble)
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2014 10:34:46 GMT -6
Definitely script. I was absolutely shocked that at the last HS I worked with, the DC "didn't want to script" He didn't want to know the play in advanced, because he thought that would ruin his "playcalling". -- He wanted to call plays real time during team sessions, and thought scripting in advanced would ruin that. I tried to explain to him how it would go..but he didn't want to do it.
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Post by agap on Jun 30, 2014 11:41:20 GMT -6
I've heard of some coaches who will script group periods but not team periods.
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Post by fantom on Jun 30, 2014 11:47:28 GMT -6
I've heard of some coaches who will script group periods but not team periods. Why? |
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jun 30, 2014 12:07:25 GMT -6
Dc and the oc's script everthing. Occasionally we won't script the Team period have the chains ( which we have out for everthing) and just March a few drive simulations off to apply in more of a real time environment the situation specific things we practice the rest of the week. We are a tempo o and are d sees alot of tempo teams. So the ability as a staff to transition between down and distance in real time is something we feel the need to work on at times. So on occasion we don'tscript.
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Post by agap on Jun 30, 2014 12:09:30 GMT -6
I've heard of some coaches who will script group periods but not team periods. Why? They didn't script team periods because they were short (like 10 plays) and they wanted it to be like a game, so they didn't script anything. They had more and longer group periods and they scripted all of those. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 30, 2014 12:28:52 GMT -6
We script everything, breaking practice into 5 minute intervals.
Team period is scripted down to every play and sometimes what hash the ball should be spottted on, however the offense tends to go off script if things aren't going their way.
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 30, 2014 12:30:19 GMT -6
Definitely script. I was absolutely shocked that at the last HS I worked with, the DC "didn't want to script" He didn't want to know the play in advanced, because he thought that would ruin his "playcalling". -- He wanted to call plays real time during team sessions, and thought scripting in advanced would ruin that. I tried to explain to him how it would go..but he didn't want to do it. As a DC, I never scripted, nor did I want to. I always felt that by scripting you didn't give your kids the opportunity to deal with what needs to happen when things don't go as planned. Worked for a guy who scripted every scout play and put together the best defense for it. We looked awesome in practice. In a game, you don't know what's coming at your every play and when that happened our kids didn't know how to deal with it. I think that by not scripting you will get caught and you will look like crap in practice. That allows you to talk about what happened and find out what your potential weaknesses are going into the game. Now that I call offense, I take the same approach. My DC knows what I'm worried about from the upcoming opponents front and stunt wise and he just works them as we go. Sometimes they hit us with a blitz at the right time and we look terrible. But we get together and talk about what needs to happen come game time if that happens and we go. My DC likes to script for inside run period, but for team periods I call offense based on what he and I think is going to be the opponent's game plan. I try as hard to mimic the actual playcalling of the team we're going to play. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2014 12:50:36 GMT -6
As a DC, I never scripted, nor did I want to. I always felt that by scripting you didn't give your kids the opportunity to deal with what needs to happen when things don't go as planned. Worked for a guy who scripted every scout play and put together the best defense for it. We looked awesome in practice. To be blunt--that is just stupid. You can't account for stupidity. Coach, I don't think you understand the concept of scripting, and haven't experienced the practice with a competent staff. |
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 30, 2014 12:52:55 GMT -6
I do it similar to larrymoe. I have my OC call the scout team plays based on what we think the other team will call. We keep D&D and score. All my defensive coaches have wrist coaches with the scout offense on it so that we know what play is coming after we've made our calls.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 12:54:06 GMT -6
Coachd5085, can we maybe get a definition/description of what competent scripting is then? Because my answer would have been pretty similar to larrymoe's. I don't see the benefits of the defense knowing what play is coming, but then again maybe I've just never been on a competent staff either...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2014 12:57:03 GMT -6
Coachd5085, can we maybe get a definition/description of what competent scripting is then? Because my answer would have been pretty similar to larrymoe's. I thought that is what fantom did in the original post. Those are the script template headings. And to clarify, the "stupid" i used above was not aimed at larrymoe 's philosophy (although I disagree with it). The "stupid" was directed at the practice he referred to by a former associate--who would script "perfect plays". |
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Post by agap on Jun 30, 2014 13:03:34 GMT -6
I scripted everything when I was DC. I never put together a script just to make us look good in practice. Otherwise there wouldn't be a reason to script.
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Post by fantom on Jun 30, 2014 13:31:40 GMT -6
Coachd5085, can we maybe get a definition/description of what competent scripting is then? Because my answer would have been pretty similar to larrymoe's. I don't see the benefits of the defense knowing what play is coming, but then again maybe I've just never been on a competent staff either... The defense doesn't know what's coming. The players don't get a script. Only the coaches get a script. I don't see the benefit of the coaches not knowing what's coming. If the DC is writing a script to make the defense look "awesome " in practice that's dumb as hell. If position coaches are warning their players what's coming that's just as dumb. We don't get anything for winning Wednesday. As for asking the OC to mimic the opposing OC: 1. You may end up with the opposite problem of that above: an OC who. rather than mimicking the opposing OC, plays "gotcha" to show what an awesome play-caller he is. 2. How does the OC know how the other guy calls a game? He hasn't been studying the opponent's offense. He's been trying to figure out the opposing DC. |
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Post by dubber on Jun 30, 2014 16:45:32 GMT -6
I would think the "off the cuff" crowd, whose reasoning for not scripting is to give the kids an imperfect call and have them make it work, would have that amplified by scripting their stuff.
Worried about your bread and butter against that certain look in that certain situation? Make sure your kids get a look at it by scripting it.
What we went to was putting our scout defense on wristbands, and the OC could say, "Coach, give me Blue 5", and the defense would align accordingly.
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Post by brophy on Jun 30, 2014 17:22:30 GMT -6
scripting.....
OFFENSE session and DEFENSE session.
When it's offense time, you run your plays against what you expect the defense to counter with or to see if you can account for a particular pressure. Also, you're ingraining the situation you'll encounter.
When its defense time, you run your fronts/coverages against what the opponent runs in a given D&D. We would often have a play called in the script (#8 is '3 robber swat') but present a formation that we had an automatic check to, just to make sure the kids account for it.
The whole point of scripting is
1) indoctrinate your players to understand the situation (down, distance, hash, personnel) they'll encounter
2) test your kids against the likely scenario
3) challenge your kids against the worst scenario
The benefit of scripting is it keeps your coaches focused and you aren't out there all day with a "lets run that one more time, coach". You obviously don't tell the kids what the other side of the ball is running (duh).
I also liked to include personnel for each rep so you can track how much PT your kids are getting (and don't forget about them).
Unfortunately, the last few stops I've been at, we just kinda rolled the ball out there.
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 30, 2014 17:57:28 GMT -6
My DC the few years scripted every nuance of fit, hull, skelly, and team. It helps the D and keep the scout O organized and on tempo. It also keeps coaches from MSU (making S up) which when I first started here was a serious issue.
On offense I a script our plays and formations. I want the scout team to align as closely as we think the other team will. Blitz like they do etc. I don't always get that but we try. If they blitz into something and blow it up, then we come back with the next play.
I think its a must. I never want to get done with practice, watch the video and say {censored} we only ran Power 3x today?
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Post by bluboy on Jun 30, 2014 19:59:31 GMT -6
We script everything (group and team periods) both on offense and defense (I am the DC). On defense, the script reflects what the opponent does on offense. If an opponent run pro I 80% of 120 scouted plays, we will run pro I 80% of our 15-play script. We will also script the plays according to the frequency % that plays are run. We want to defend what the offense does best or want to do, not just plays. Our script will also tell where to align a "special" player that we have to look for. When I make the defensive call (also on the script), sometimes it it right to where the ball is going, and sometimes it isn't.
Every coach gets a copy of the script so that he knows where the ball is going (helps coach pursuit), as well as what is being run. Both the HC and I get really bent out of shape when one of the other assistants doesn't know know what's going on because he hasn't been following the script.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 20:19:09 GMT -6
I script every period other than indy. To me it is of the most importance to have the knowledge of what we are doing next and what we want to get a look at on that day.
To those who don't script (I've been on staffs that do and don't), you either have don't understand it or you are too lazy to do it as it does take a lot of time to do it.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 30, 2014 20:20:58 GMT -6
We script everything (group and team periods) both on offense and defense (I am the DC). On defense, the script reflects what the opponent does on offense. If an opponent run pro I 80% of 120 scouted plays, we will run pro I 80% of our 15-play script. We will also script the plays according to the frequency % that plays are run. We want to defend what the offense does best or want to do, not just plays. Our script will also tell where to align a "special" player that we have to look for. When I make the defensive call (also on the script), sometimes it it right to where the ball is going, and sometimes it isn't. Every coach gets a copy of the script so that he knows where the ball is going (helps coach pursuit), as well as what is being run. Both the HC and I get really bent out of shape when one of the other assistants doesn't know know what's going on because he hasn't been following the script. Thats exactly how our scout is ran. In addition to what other people have said, I like scripting like this because it prepares them to what they are going to see. It allows us to draw up our defense in a bad situation and see how our players react. Also a bonus when you script is you can focus on playside and can coach the kid up on something like a pull, misdirection or boot to him. |
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 30, 2014 20:32:04 GMT -6
I script every period other than indy. To me it is of the most importance to have the knowledge of what we are doing next and what we want to get a look at on that day. To those who don't script (I've been on staffs that do and don't), you either have don't understand it or you are too lazy to do it as it does take a lot of time to do it. Why do you always have to be THAT guy? We don't understand it or are simply too lazy to do it? I script my group sessions just fine. Don't seem to be too lazy then. I started doing it the way I'm doing it because my HC is our OC and I trust him implicitly to call what I've prescribed on a sheet based on the opponents' tendencies. I have wrist coaches for all my defensive guys so he can tell us what he's running and nobody's left in the dark. The majority of what we do is auto based on formation so the kids call what they call. If I end up with not enough of a given situation then I'll make sure to give it extra time in group the next day. I know what I'm doing. I'm not stupid or lazy. |
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 30, 2014 20:33:46 GMT -6
I scripted group and team EVERYWHERE else I've gone. I trust my OC here. He does a HECK of a job. I definitely understand the pros of scripting, especially when you've got slappies on the other side.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 20:39:14 GMT -6
I script every period other than indy. To me it is of the most importance to have the knowledge of what we are doing next and what we want to get a look at on that day. To those who don't script (I've been on staffs that do and don't), you either have don't understand it or you are too lazy to do it as it does take a lot of time to do it. Why do you always have to be THAT guy? We don't understand it or are simply too lazy to do it? I script my group sessions just fine. Don't seem to be too lazy then. I started doing it the way I'm doing it because my HC is our OC and I trust him implicitly to call what I've prescribed on a sheet based on the opponents' tendencies. I have wrist coaches for all my defensive guys so he can tell us what he's running and nobody's left in the dark. The majority of what we do is auto based on formation so the kids call what they call. If I end up with not enough of a given situation then I'll make sure to give it extra time in group the next day. I know what I'm doing. I'm not stupid or lazy. So your OC understands the tendencies of your opponent as well as you do? Another question for those of you who do not script: Why would you ever script? What are the advantages? |
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 20:41:03 GMT -6
I script every period other than indy. To me it is of the most importance to have the knowledge of what we are doing next and what we want to get a look at on that day. To those who don't script (I've been on staffs that do and don't), you either have don't understand it or you are too lazy to do it as it does take a lot of time to do it. Why do you always have to be THAT guy? We don't understand it or are simply too lazy to do it? I script my group sessions just fine. Don't seem to be too lazy then. I started doing it the way I'm doing it because my HC is our OC and I trust him implicitly to call what I've prescribed on a sheet based on the opponents' tendencies. I have wrist coaches for all my defensive guys so he can tell us what he's running and nobody's left in the dark. The majority of what we do is auto based on formation so the kids call what they call. If I end up with not enough of a given situation then I'll make sure to give it extra time in group the next day. I know what I'm doing. I'm not stupid or lazy. And yes, if you don't script you are at a huge disadvantage to someone who does. Either you don't understand why you are or you do and you are too lazy to do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 21:13:38 GMT -6
Why do you always have to be THAT guy? We don't understand it or are simply too lazy to do it? I script my group sessions just fine. Don't seem to be too lazy then. I started doing it the way I'm doing it because my HC is our OC and I trust him implicitly to call what I've prescribed on a sheet based on the opponents' tendencies. I have wrist coaches for all my defensive guys so he can tell us what he's running and nobody's left in the dark. The majority of what we do is auto based on formation so the kids call what they call. If I end up with not enough of a given situation then I'll make sure to give it extra time in group the next day. I know what I'm doing. I'm not stupid or lazy. And yes, if you don't script you are at a huge disadvantage to someone who does. Either you don't understand why you are or you do and you are too lazy to do it. This post is a GREAT example of why I've been staying away lately. There's not a whole lot of discussion anymore. Anyone who does something different is either dumb or lazy or both. |
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 21:16:12 GMT -6
And yes, if you don't script you are at a huge disadvantage to someone who does. Either you don't understand why you are or you do and you are too lazy to do it. This post is a GREAT example of why I've been staying away lately. There's not a whole lot of discussion anymore. Anyone who does something different is either dumb or lazy or both. Saying you don't script is comparatively similar to saying you don't believe in lifting weights. Please explain to me the advantages to not scripting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 21:17:32 GMT -6
Again, maybe I'm just dumb and lazy, but it seems to me like if you are somewhat competent with your team sessions and the coaching staff does a good job of communicating what they want from both sides of the ball, you still get what scripting it all would do for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 21:18:18 GMT -6
This post is a GREAT example of why I've been staying away lately. There's not a whole lot of discussion anymore. Anyone who does something different is either dumb or lazy or both. Saying you don't script is comparatively similar to saying you don't believe in lifting weights. Please explain to me the advantages to not scripting. Let's not get carried away with the weight lifting comparison. |
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Post by fantom on Jun 30, 2014 21:20:17 GMT -6
Again, maybe I'm just dumb and lazy, but it seems to me like if you are somewhat competent with your team sessions and the coaching staff does a good job of communicating what they want from both sides of the ball, you still get what scripting it all would do for you. I wouldn't call anybody dumb or lazy but I don't think that they're working as efficiently as they could. |
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 21:24:46 GMT -6
Again, maybe I'm just dumb and lazy, but it seems to me like if you are somewhat competent with your team sessions and the coaching staff does a good job of communicating what they want from both sides of the ball, you still get what scripting it all would do for you. I know a team's #1 formation is Trips Queen and they love the speed option away from trips when they are on the right hash to the tune of 45%. I show that play numerous times throughout the week, please tell me how your OC, who is supposedly focused on the defense of your next opponent, is going to give you the same picture and same play focus that you are going to need. And don't give me the, "we win so we must be doing it right speech". |
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