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Post by s73 on Jul 2, 2014 8:09:07 GMT -6
You can get riled up with the "dumb and lazy" tag but it is what it is. If you don't script then you, or anyone else, is doing their program an injustice. If you want to defend it, I would love to hear why it is better to not script than to script. I spend hours a day doing it, so I would love to know why it would be advantageous to me to not do this. Coachwilcox, If by scripting you mean do we write down a script in order of our opponents plays so the coaching staff knows what it's looking for ? Then yes, we do that. If by scripting you mean do we practice different defensive calls to a variety of our opponents upcoming plays then the answer would be no. You seem to be looking for a defense to this approach so here is mine: As I stated above we are a very "base defense" oriented team. We run a 3-5 but w/ more of a read and react 3-4 approach. I teach my LB's to read guards and hopefully react appropriately. Likewise, I teach my secondary to read high hat and low hat as well as I teach my DL they have a read key (man they are slanting to) as well as a pressure key (usually a TE who doubles down). Our thoughts are that if our kids do what they are supposed to do then that is a better call then one we could invent. In other words, we expect them to put themselves into a better position than any stunt we could devise. As a result, we are much more concerned about knowing the play before hand so we as coaches know how the players should react before the play is run in practice. Then we simply watch them and correct their reactions as needed. We have very few calls b/c of the way we teach and run our defense. Furthermore, we are not 2 platooned so we need to keep things as simple as possible for time constraints. The few calls and stunts we do have we usually practice in 7 on 7 or group time. This is "my defense" for why we do not "script" in the sense that I think you mean it. We also try to teach our kids a "common sense" approach to things (deepen in obvious pass situations, tighten in short yardage, etc.) We try to focus on details more oriented to fundamentals and base schematics. We have our ups and downs but for the most part this has worked for us.
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Post by fantom on Jul 2, 2014 8:57:40 GMT -6
How many of you script group sessions (Inside, Pass Skelly, and Team) in practice? If not, why not? We strictly script every group period, The script is written by the coordinator. In Inside and Pass the script includes: Play #, Scout Card #, Play, Defense. For Team it looks like this: PLAY # CARD DOWN DISTANCE HASH PLAY DEFENSE COMMENT (Special instructions like "QB scramble) Fantom, I write a practice schedule for every practice that is relatively detailed as to what everyone is doing each session. I do not on the other hand, go into scripted detail such as this b/c we are much more of a "base style" defense and try to stay as such. We are a 3-5 defense & just feel that the nature of our defense alone accounts for a multitude of situations (that's one of the primary reasons I run the 3-5). For example, we have built in rules for alignment as well as the ability to drop 8 or send somebody w/o it affecting coverage. To be honest, I admire your attention to detail and preparation. My brain is too simple for all of that. One thing we do in relation to scripting team D is we run more of a stunt period w/ a general idea of when we want to run our stunts rather than in an actual team segment. We also script the scout team plays in order so we know what we are looking for pre-snap. But that's about it for us. The scripting process isn't very complicated. I have a template on the computer and just fill it in and print it out. Here's what we do: Because of our weekly schedule (M- Install game plan/scout report; T- Offense; W-Defense' Th- Walk-thru) I don't need the cards and script until Wednesday. That means that there's no reason to have the staff hurrying to finish them over the weekend. Personally, I have another advantage in that I'm retired from teaching. That means that I write the script on Wednesday morning, print it at home, and bring it in to the office when I leave for practice (I do all of my planning and prep work at home. Nobody bothers me there.). I draw the scout cards on Monday and Tuesday. The game plan got done over the weekend so I know what fronts we'll use this week. I don't have to waste time drawing plays vs. fronts that we won't use. I use Playmaker Pro so I have templates for the cards. In some cases, if the opponent hasn't changed from last year, instead of starting from scratch, I just open last year's cards and adjust if needed. There's a team that we play whose cards haven't changed in ten years. I just print out the same ones every year. Each card is numbered (runs are numbered, passes are lettered). I print them out, put them in plastic sleeves (front and back), and put them in a binder. When I write the script, rather than flipping through the book, I open Playmaker and the script template. Saves time plus if I realize that I missed a play, I can just draw it up and add it. I have twelve plays (four series). Sometimes there's more than that on paper. I like to add a Freeze Play (No Play) to remind them not to jump offsides. If we don't jump offsides wee don't actually run a play. The plays are scripted by scouting report: down and distance, hash. After the firsts run the first two series, the seconds go in and repeat that script. Then we go back to the the firsts for two more series. When we're done, if any of the coaches wants to see a play again, he just says. "Can we see #6 again?" and the scout coach goes back to that play and card. It's not that hard. It''s taken me more time to type this message than it typically takes to write a script.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 2, 2014 11:38:57 GMT -6
We will often repeat Tuesdays script on Wednesday. If they are a team that's gonna do what they do and they have only a few things why rewrote the script.
Boom. Work done for the week. At least for that.
I also have templates so I can copy/paste to save time.
I spend more time watching and grading video than I do scripting.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 2, 2014 14:10:22 GMT -6
larrymoe The point you keep seeming to miss in all this is that it is a MENTAL EXERCISE and PREPARATION. A mental exercise in what? How to waste time? I guess if they come out in EXACTLY what you expect them to, it could be beneficial. For one or two plays. After that, regardless of how well you PREPARE or are MENTALLY EXERCISED, you're pretty much on your own playcalling wise.
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Post by Coach Huey on Jul 2, 2014 19:01:09 GMT -6
why to script an opponent's offensive play vs a specific defense you plan on using? 1. it is a way to see if the defense can make the necessary check. let's say you plan on blitzing the OLB off the edge on the weak side but you don't want to do that when they go empty for whatever reason. so, you have a "check" that says "if we have weak storm called we must check out of it if they come out in empty."
or, you have a motion adjustment with the coverage like, "Robber is robber unless they motion to empty, then adjust to cover 1. If we're in cover 2 & they go empty, stay in it."
so, in practice you make sure you show the 1's that scenario of a weak storm call vs an empty set. you make sure you show the backups the weak storm call vs an empty set. You make sure that you've called a robber vs a motion to empty to see if they can make the adjustment.
there could be various scenarios of this type where you want to make 100% sure everyone knows the checks or adjustments.
2) it is to show them the possible weakness of the defense. go back to the weak OLB blitz... what would be the worst thing there vs that defense? say they might run the flare screen to the back & the Will has to know he's gotta man the flare (or perhaps you want the OLB to peel off the blitz & lock the flare, whatever). You need to have that play called vs that blitz.
let's say you run a particular front/stunt/twist on 3rd & long because it best attacks what they do 80% of the time. however, they have run trap twice in 3 games so you know that trap could gut this 3rd/long defense. so, you need the Mike to see that "oh crap, if i get a trap key I gotta fill fast because I'm the only dude that can make that play.". run it a couple of times to make sure he's aware and conscious of trap.
3) it let's your other coaches know what is coming offensively and they know what the call is so they can watch their guys looking for specific techniques, actions, etc. for it. the DB coach knows the "rub" route is coming and is looking to see if the DB's "banjo" the routes. or, the DL coach knows the "TIE" stunt is called so he's looking specifically for the technique of his DT & DE to see how well it was executed.
This "presnap" info allows for much more specific and anticipatory looks which then lead to more accurate & detailed coaching. you can quickly throw out a one/two sentence coaching point and move on. you know, "coaching on the run"
4) it keeps a running tally of just how many times your players saw a particular play, how many times you were in a certain defense, etc. you don't want to go into a game thinking "we've run that all week" when in reality you've only practiced defending empty from your blitz look 3 times total.
We could create similar type scenarios/reasons as to why you script the offense vs the scout defense... you get the idea.
now, I do believe in having portions where the play call is "unscripted"... fast-paced periods, good-on-good 'scrimmage' periods, etc. these situations are more for the play-called to get into a rhythm, feel, and pace. it allows for coaches to practice looking at the other side of the ball as they would on friday night. i.e. the WR coach is looking at the safeties or another coach is looking for backside pursuit, etc. and then relaying this info the playcaller who makes another call based on that info - practice for the coaching staff. you would teach/coach this periods off the film after practice or next day.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jul 2, 2014 19:47:47 GMT -6
why to script an opponent's offensive play vs a specific defense you plan on using? 1. it is a way to see if the defense can make the necessary check. let's say you plan on blitzing the OLB off the edge on the weak side but you don't want to do that when they go empty for whatever reason. so, you have a "check" that says "if we have weak storm called we must check out of it if they come out in empty." or, you have a motion adjustment with the coverage like, "Robber is robber unless they motion to empty, then adjust to cover 1. If we're in cover 2 & they go empty, stay in it." so, in practice you make sure you show the 1's that scenario of a weak storm call vs an empty set. you make sure you show the backups the weak storm call vs an empty set. You make sure that you've called a robber vs a motion to empty to see if they can make the adjustment. there could be various scenarios of this type where you want to make 100% sure everyone knows the checks or adjustments. 2) it is to show them the possible weakness of the defense. go back to the weak OLB blitz... what would be the worst thing there vs that defense? say they might run the flare screen to the back & the Will has to know he's gotta man the flare (or perhaps you want the OLB to peel off the blitz & lock the flare, whatever). You need to have that play called vs that blitz. let's say you run a particular front/stunt/twist on 3rd & long because it best attacks what they do 80% of the time. however, they have run trap twice in 3 games so you know that trap could gut this 3rd/long defense. so, you need the Mike to see that "oh crap, if i get a trap key I gotta fill fast because I'm the only dude that can make that play.". run it a couple of times to make sure he's aware and conscious of trap. 3) it let's your other coaches know what is coming offensively and they know what the call is so they can watch their guys looking for specific techniques, actions, etc. for it. the DB coach knows the "rub" route is coming and is looking to see if the DB's "banjo" the routes. or, the DL coach knows the "TIE" stunt is called so he's looking specifically for the technique of his DT & DE to see how well it was executed. This "presnap" info allows for much more specific and anticipatory looks which then lead to more accurate & detailed coaching. you can quickly throw out a one/two sentence coaching point and move on. you know, "coaching on the run" 4) it keeps a running tally of just how many times your players saw a particular play, how many times you were in a certain defense, etc. you don't want to go into a game thinking "we've run that all week" when in reality you've only practiced defending empty from your blitz look 3 times total. We could create similar type scenarios/reasons as to why you script the offense vs the scout defense... you get the idea. now, I do believe in having portions where the play call is "unscripted"... fast-paced periods, good-on-good 'scrimmage' periods, etc. these situations are more for the play-called to get into a rhythm, feel, and pace. it allows for coaches to practice looking at the other side of the ball as they would on friday night. i.e. the WR coach is looking at the safeties or another coach is looking for backside pursuit, etc. and then relaying this info the playcaller who makes another call based on that info - practice for the coaching staff. you would teach/coach this periods off the film after practice or next day. Well said. Knowing what to look for presnap and having that anticipatory knowledge is key to tempo and pace.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 2, 2014 21:08:48 GMT -6
larrymoe The point you keep seeming to miss in all this is that it is a MENTAL EXERCISE and PREPARATION. A mental exercise in what? How to waste time? I guess if they come out in EXACTLY what you expect them to, it could be beneficial. For one or two plays. After that, regardless of how well you PREPARE or are MENTALLY EXERCISED, you're pretty much on your own playcalling wise. I think many of the coaches have given reasons as to why one would script practices. One reason many OC's script their openers for the game is that they want to see how the opponent reacts to things such as : Shifts, formations, overloads, motions, trades, Perhaps they script openers because they want to make sure they are doing some things, and don't want to risk missing something when the 25 second clock is running. Maybe some coaches do the script as their final part of preparation. With the recent thread on Civility, I want to make sure this doesn't come off as derogatory, but I think it is important that coaches recognize that there are different "levels" of football, even within high school. One of the cool things about Louisiana is that (up until last year) you could sit in the Superdome and watch all 5 class' championship games in a two day span. Doing so it becomes quite evident that the football between the enrollment levels is in many cases different, and not just the talent levels. You can quickly see the difference between the 1A (smallest class) school coached by 3-4 coaches with 35 kids 9-12 in the program and 8 two way starters, and the 5A squad with a staff of 7 or 8 coaches (for just the Varsity sometimes) dressing out 65 Jr's and Seniors and that run a "365" program. Obviously there is often a level of polish and sophistication in the Larger program's play that is a cut above the smaller schools due to the greater resources available. It might be beneficial when posting for coaches to remember these things, and what may seem like a waste of time for some coaches might be quite useful for others.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 22:40:01 GMT -6
As OC, I started out carefully scripting each drill and each rep in team and group sessions last season. Scripting is great, but it only works when done the right way and on a staff that's highly organized and committed to sticking to a plan. Scripting to make yourself look awesome in practice is stupid. Scripting just for the sake of scripting is also pointless if there's no thought into it.
I learned very quickly that it was a waste of time to do it if we were going to show up and find out we'd have a different practice schedule (or just do a walkthrough) for that day than what we'd discussed, or that the other coaches weren't willing to stick to the script, learn what to look for, etc. It took a ton of time to put those scripts together and frankly I just couldn't keep wasting that much effort and trying to sell a skeptical HC and staff on it with all the other things I had to do. It got to where the only thing I scripted were 15 daily team O reps, just to streamline the process and see if we screwed up anything major, while the scout D did whatever the mentally challenged team manager told them to do during team sessions.
At my previous school, at season's end the DC went to carefully scripting each team rep, but only team reps, to look at checks and potential issues with each call. He'd have a loose outline of things to look at during the group and individual sessions, but it wasn't a true script for those. It was still useful.
My new team is big on scripting, with each position coach expected to script his drills within the allotted time and the coordinators handling the group and team periods. It's going to be fun.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jul 2, 2014 23:04:33 GMT -6
As OC, I started out carefully scripting each drill and each rep in team and group sessions last season. Scripting is great, but it only works when done the right way and on a staff that's highly organized and committed to sticking to a plan. Scripting to make yourself look awesome in practice is stupid. Scripting just for the sake of scripting is also pointless if there's no thought into it. I learned very quickly that it was a waste of time to do it if we were going to show up and find out we'd have a different practice schedule (or just do a walkthrough) for that day than what we'd discussed, or that the other coaches weren't willing to stick to the script, learn what to look for, etc. It took a ton of time to put those scripts together and frankly I just couldn't keep wasting that much effort and trying to sell a skeptical HC and staff on it with all the other things I had to do. It got to where the only thing I scripted were 15 daily team O reps, just to streamline the process and see if we screwed up anything major, while the scout D did whatever the mentally challenged team manager told them to do during team sessions. At my previous school, at season's end the DC went to carefully scripting each team rep, but only team reps, to look at checks and potential issues with each call. He'd have a loose outline of things to look at during the group and individual sessions, but it wasn't a true script for those. It was still useful. My new team is big on scripting, with each position coach expected to script his drills within the allotted time and the coordinators handling the group and team periods. It's going to be fun. How has your HC made it common knowledge that each coach is to script their own drills?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 23:11:19 GMT -6
How has your HC made it common knowledge that each coach is to script their own drills? He told me in the interview: "I'm a big practice plan guy. I expect you to script your own drills." He emails the practice plan for the day with all the indie, group, and team portions broke down into 5 minute segments. The position coaches sees how much time he has to fill and pencils in his drills. If a position coach needs more indie time, he tries to be flexible. He seems like a great guy to work for.
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Post by simione916 on Jul 3, 2014 8:46:38 GMT -6
I imagine people who script do it because it works for them...and people who don't script do it because it equally works for them as well. There is my lazy and dumb answer:)
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 3, 2014 8:48:39 GMT -6
I think many of the coaches have given reasons as to why one would script practices. One reason many OC's script their openers for the game is that they want to see how the opponent reacts to things such as : Shifts, formations, overloads, motions, trades, Perhaps they script openers because they want to make sure they are doing some things, and don't want to risk missing something when the 25 second clock is running. Maybe some coaches do the script as their final part of preparation. With the recent thread on Civility, I want to make sure this doesn't come off as derogatory, but I think it is important that coaches recognize that there are different "levels" of football, even within high school. One of the cool things about Louisiana is that (up until last year) you could sit in the Superdome and watch all 5 class' championship games in a two day span. Doing so it becomes quite evident that the football between the enrollment levels is in many cases different, and not just the talent levels. You can quickly see the difference between the 1A (smallest class) school coached by 3-4 coaches with 35 kids 9-12 in the program and 8 two way starters, and the 5A squad with a staff of 7 or 8 coaches (for just the Varsity sometimes) dressing out 65 Jr's and Seniors and that run a "365" program. Obviously there is often a level of polish and sophistication in the Larger program's play that is a cut above the smaller schools due to the greater resources available. It might be beneficial when posting for coaches to remember these things, and what may seem like a waste of time for some coaches might be quite useful for others. Agreed that people are dealing with different circumstances and programs and situations from program to program. I also think it's the same game regardless of level. I know that I could coach the GAME exactly the same at 8A here in Illinois as I do here in 2A. Scripting or not. My biggest issue with coaching at that level would be the outside crap I would be expected to do as a HC, but that is a different discussion. I don't begrudge anyone for scripting. I'm not calling them idiots or lazy or whatever, I just think it's a waste of time. I think as a HC I don't want to script every second of Individual periods because I have assistants that I trust to do their jobs. During indy time I put 2-3 things I want them to work on like Stalk Blocking or Play Install in the period and let them devise how they do it. I don't script my first 10-15 plays because after the first play of the game, I really don't know what I want to call or will call. They may play something totally different than what we see on film (seems to happen pretty frequently to us) or the situation I scripted for may be thrown out the window immediately by something outside. I think scripting for a game is exceptionally wasteful because you can't predict what the game is going to look like before it happens IMO. Probably one of the most successful plays in our recent 3 year run was suggested to me by our wing as he was running onto the field for the first play of the game. Went 75yds for a TD and we were on our way to routing our first state ranked opponent and our first conference championship. But I'm sure that's probably just because we had more talent than them. Call it lazy, call it whatever you want, but sitting around for hours coming up with detailed little plans for everything, like I know how a game is going to ebb and flow before it happens is ridiculous. I know what I want the game to look like, but that can be thrown out the door as soon as we step on the field. I don't do play charts with down and distances, I don't do scripts, I don't make 7,000 page scouting reports, I don't do any of that stuff. To some of you that may seem like we just role a ball out because I'm just to lazy to do the work, but I assure you that isn't the case.
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Post by fantom on Jul 3, 2014 9:03:39 GMT -6
I think many of the coaches have given reasons as to why one would script practices. One reason many OC's script their openers for the game is that they want to see how the opponent reacts to things such as : Shifts, formations, overloads, motions, trades, Perhaps they script openers because they want to make sure they are doing some things, and don't want to risk missing something when the 25 second clock is running. Maybe some coaches do the script as their final part of preparation. With the recent thread on Civility, I want to make sure this doesn't come off as derogatory, but I think it is important that coaches recognize that there are different "levels" of football, even within high school. One of the cool things about Louisiana is that (up until last year) you could sit in the Superdome and watch all 5 class' championship games in a two day span. Doing so it becomes quite evident that the football between the enrollment levels is in many cases different, and not just the talent levels. You can quickly see the difference between the 1A (smallest class) school coached by 3-4 coaches with 35 kids 9-12 in the program and 8 two way starters, and the 5A squad with a staff of 7 or 8 coaches (for just the Varsity sometimes) dressing out 65 Jr's and Seniors and that run a "365" program. Obviously there is often a level of polish and sophistication in the Larger program's play that is a cut above the smaller schools due to the greater resources available. It might be beneficial when posting for coaches to remember these things, and what may seem like a waste of time for some coaches might be quite useful for others. Agreed that people are dealing with different circumstances and programs and situations from program to program. I also think it's the same game regardless of level. I know that I could coach the GAME exactly the same at 8A here in Illinois as I do here in 2A. Scripting or not. My biggest issue with coaching at that level would be the outside crap I would be expected to do as a HC, but that is a different discussion. I don't begrudge anyone for scripting. I'm not calling them idiots or lazy or whatever, I just think it's a waste of time. I think as a HC I don't want to script every second of Individual periods because I have assistants that I trust to do their jobs. During indy time I put 2-3 things I want them to work on like Stalk Blocking or Play Install in the period and let them devise how they do it. I don't script my first 10-15 plays because after the first play of the game, I really don't know what I want to call or will call. They may play something totally different than what we see on film (seems to happen pretty frequently to us) or the situation I scripted for may be thrown out the window immediately by something outside. I think scripting for a game is exceptionally wasteful because you can't predict what the game is going to look like before it happens IMO. Probably one of the most successful plays in our recent 3 year run was suggested to me by our wing as he was running onto the field for the first play of the game. Went 75yds for a TD and we were on our way to routing our first state ranked opponent and our first conference championship. But I'm sure that's probably just because we had more talent than them. Call it lazy, call it whatever you want, but sitting around for hours coming up with detailed little plans for everything, like I know how a game is going to ebb and flow before it happens is ridiculous. I know what I want the game to look like, but that can be thrown out the door as soon as we step on the field. I don't do play charts with down and distances, I don't do scripts, I don't make 7,000 page scouting reports, I don't do any of that stuff. To some of you that may seem like we just role a ball out because I'm just to lazy to do the work, but I assure you that isn't the case. I'm a DC so obviously I don't script the first ___ plays of the game. I don't script indy periods. We have good coaches. They know their jobs and I trust them. I don't see the advantage of not scripting group and team periods.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2014 10:20:03 GMT -6
I don't see the advantage of not scripting group and team periods. Agreed-- bottom line is that scripting group/team practice periods allows a coach to ensure that his club is exposed to the situations he wants. If he desires, scripting can ensure his team will be forced to make checks, adjustments etc. It allows the coaches on staff to be prepared to watch for certain things in a rep. It gives the coach a chance to stress his team in practice, and if necessary make changes in the game plan. I don't see ANY disadvantage to these things?
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jul 3, 2014 12:52:47 GMT -6
We script our individual time, but really all the HC is looking for is something he can put on the practice plan he is handing to the JV and Frosh coaches, so they can see what drills the Varsity is doing and hopefully copy those. We are in a "big" program where Frosh, JV, and Varsity are three different levels with three different coaching staffs that conduct separate practices, so putting the drill work on the practice plan is more to help tell the younger level coaches what drills we want during individual time.
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Post by s73 on Jul 3, 2014 15:05:17 GMT -6
I think many of the coaches have given reasons as to why one would script practices. One reason many OC's script their openers for the game is that they want to see how the opponent reacts to things such as : Shifts, formations, overloads, motions, trades, Perhaps they script openers because they want to make sure they are doing some things, and don't want to risk missing something when the 25 second clock is running. Maybe some coaches do the script as their final part of preparation. With the recent thread on Civility, I want to make sure this doesn't come off as derogatory, but I think it is important that coaches recognize that there are different "levels" of football, even within high school. One of the cool things about Louisiana is that (up until last year) you could sit in the Superdome and watch all 5 class' championship games in a two day span. Doing so it becomes quite evident that the football between the enrollment levels is in many cases different, and not just the talent levels. You can quickly see the difference between the 1A (smallest class) school coached by 3-4 coaches with 35 kids 9-12 in the program and 8 two way starters, and the 5A squad with a staff of 7 or 8 coaches (for just the Varsity sometimes) dressing out 65 Jr's and Seniors and that run a "365" program. Obviously there is often a level of polish and sophistication in the Larger program's play that is a cut above the smaller schools due to the greater resources available. It might be beneficial when posting for coaches to remember these things, and what may seem like a waste of time for some coaches might be quite useful for others. Agreed that people are dealing with different circumstances and programs and situations from program to program. I also think it's the same game regardless of level. I know that I could coach the GAME exactly the same at 8A here in Illinois as I do here in 2A. Scripting or not. My biggest issue with coaching at that level would be the outside crap I would be expected to do as a HC, but that is a different discussion. I don't begrudge anyone for scripting. I'm not calling them idiots or lazy or whatever, I just think it's a waste of time. I think as a HC I don't want to script every second of Individual periods because I have assistants that I trust to do their jobs. During indy time I put 2-3 things I want them to work on like Stalk Blocking or Play Install in the period and let them devise how they do it. I don't script my first 10-15 plays because after the first play of the game, I really don't know what I want to call or will call. They may play something totally different than what we see on film (seems to happen pretty frequently to us) or the situation I scripted for may be thrown out the window immediately by something outside. I think scripting for a game is exceptionally wasteful because you can't predict what the game is going to look like before it happens IMO. Probably one of the most successful plays in our recent 3 year run was suggested to me by our wing as he was running onto the field for the first play of the game. Went 75yds for a TD and we were on our way to routing our first state ranked opponent and our first conference championship. But I'm sure that's probably just because we had more talent than them. Call it lazy, call it whatever you want, but sitting around for hours coming up with detailed little plans for everything, like I know how a game is going to ebb and flow before it happens is ridiculous. I know what I want the game to look like, but that can be thrown out the door as soon as we step on the field. I don't do play charts with down and distances, I don't do scripts, I don't make 7,000 page scouting reports, I don't do any of that stuff. To some of you that may seem like we just role a ball out because I'm just to lazy to do the work, but I assure you that isn't the case. The way I understand it, and I may be wrong, but I heard Bill Walsh was one of the originals to script his plays for a game. With that being said, and again I may be way off but my understanding of his script was NOT that he necessarily called these plays in order, but it was rather a SITUATIONAL THING. More of a fallback in case the "stress of the moment" got to him. In other words, in 3rd and 6 he defintely wanted to run such and such, as a result he scripted several things for varying situations as a reminder. Not as a I must call this in this order type of thing. At least that's what I heard anyway. I think he scripted 10-15 plays for multiple game situations, not one to follow the other.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2014 15:22:14 GMT -6
The way I understand it, and I may be wrong, but I heard Bill Walsh was one of the originals to script his plays for a game. With that being said, and again I may be way off but my understanding of his script was NOT that he necessarily called these plays in order, but it was rather a SITUATIONAL THING. More of a fallback in case the "stress of the moment" got to him. In other words, in 3rd and 6 he defintely wanted to run such and such, as a result he scripted several things for varying situations as a reminder. Not as a I must call this in this order type of thing. At least that's what I heard anyway. I think he scripted 10-15 plays for multiple game situations, not one to follow the other. You are correct---He scripted his "openers" as he called them. The first things he wanted to do in SITUATIONS.
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Post by blb on Jul 3, 2014 15:24:41 GMT -6
willcox -
First, re-read fantom's post re: Civility on this board.
Second, come back and revisit this topic in three years and see if your record is as good as larrymoe's.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jul 3, 2014 15:27:29 GMT -6
The way I understand it, and I may be wrong, but I heard Bill Walsh was one of the originals to script his plays for a game. With that being said, and again I may be way off but my understanding of his script was NOT that he necessarily called these plays in order, but it was rather a SITUATIONAL THING. More of a fallback in case the "stress of the moment" got to him. In other words, in 3rd and 6 he defintely wanted to run such and such, as a result he scripted several things for varying situations as a reminder. Not as a I must call this in this order type of thing. At least that's what I heard anyway. I think he scripted 10-15 plays for multiple game situations, not one to follow the other. You are correct---He scripted his "openers" as he called them. The first things he wanted to do in SITUATIONS. Good stuff. Nothing quite like being in the moment and not being able to find the "right" play.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jul 3, 2014 15:29:57 GMT -6
willcox - First, re-read fantom's post re: Civility on this board. Second, come back and revisit this topic in three years and see if your record is as good as larrymoe's. I didn't know that making a passing joke was uncivil. You and LM have beat the "lazy or dumb" thing to a bloody pulp. Quit being so obsessive about my posts. Thanks for watching out for me though.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 3, 2014 16:00:53 GMT -6
I think it is important to recognize there are definitely 2 different things being discussed here. "Scripting openers", for game day may or may not be terribly useful for some. The Bill Walsh "openers" essentially evolved into the giant laminated call sheets that you see coaches using today. It is obvious that those may not be necessary to every coach based on the depth and scope of his or her offense/defense. I believe this is quite different than scripting practice sessions to ensure your team practices what you want, when you want, against what you want to see. blb Discussing records isn't terribly relevant is it? In some places, a winning percentage of .650 or .700 is great, winning conferences or districts, or regionals etc.. is great. In other places, if those things are the highlights, you will be dismissed.
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Post by 4verts on Jul 3, 2014 19:30:08 GMT -6
Last place I was at was extremely detailed with scripting with both practice, openers, tempo scripts, and any other situation that could arise. Had a lot to do with resources. We ran a 2 QB system and the starter had a 10 play opener script, which we got off of for 3rd downs or redzone/short yardage then resumed. The 2nd guy had a 5 play script of openers as well. We also treated the +22 going in as its own drive once we got there and had a 3 play script for that. Different strokes for different folks. I couldn't imagine having periods unscripted though. Brings thoughts of chaos to mind.
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 3, 2014 19:37:11 GMT -6
Last place I was at was extremely detailed with scripting with both practice, openers, tempo scripts, and any other situation that could arise. Had a lot to do with resources. We ran a 2 QB system and the starter had a 10 play opener script, which we got off of for 3rd downs or redzone/short yardage then resumed. The 2nd guy had a 5 play script of openers as well. We also treated the +22 going in as its own drive once we got there and had a 3 play script for that. Different strokes for different folks. I couldn't imagine having periods unscripted though. Brings thoughts of chaos to mind. 4vertsWhy the +22?
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Post by 4verts on Jul 3, 2014 19:57:59 GMT -6
Last place I was at was extremely detailed with scripting with both practice, openers, tempo scripts, and any other situation that could arise. Had a lot to do with resources. We ran a 2 QB system and the starter had a 10 play opener script, which we got off of for 3rd downs or redzone/short yardage then resumed. The 2nd guy had a 5 play script of openers as well. We also treated the +22 going in as its own drive once we got there and had a 3 play script for that. Different strokes for different folks. I couldn't imagine having periods unscripted though. Brings thoughts of chaos to mind. 4vertsWhy the +22? No meaning that I knew of. Just where the OC started the redzone. Errybody has to be different come clinic season you know.
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Post by coachphillip on Jul 3, 2014 22:20:18 GMT -6
"Most people say the red zone starts at the 20, but our data has shown that the majority of offensive play calls tend to shift in favor of different sets at the 22.36 yard line." - Coach KC Masterpiece an excerpt from "Pouring on the sauce: offense the mill valley way"
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Post by nhsehs on Jul 3, 2014 23:10:40 GMT -6
No meaning that I knew of. Just where the OC started the redzone. Errybody has to be different come clinic season you know. Just a guess, but it could be where field goal range started for the place kicker.
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Post by 4verts on Jul 3, 2014 23:34:53 GMT -6
No meaning that I knew of. Just where the OC started the redzone. Errybody has to be different come clinic season you know. Just a guess, but it could be where field goal range started for the place kicker. Not really. Our FG kicker was good from 53. It had to do with the timing of an outside vertical -5 from the backline. It was the start of field compression.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 4, 2014 8:09:59 GMT -6
Just a guess, but it could be where field goal range started for the place kicker. What is this field goal you speak of?
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 4, 2014 8:17:48 GMT -6
willcox - First, re-read fantom's post re: Civility on this board. Second, come back and revisit this topic in three years and see if your record is as good as larrymoe's. Thanks for looking out for me, but it's just because I have more talent than everyone else.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jul 4, 2014 9:34:44 GMT -6
willcox - First, re-read fantom's post re: Civility on this board. Second, come back and revisit this topic in three years and see if your record is as good as larrymoe's. Thanks for looking out for me, but it's just because I have more talent than everyone else. I would never be so disrespectful to say, "In the next 3 years I will win more games than you." But I can assure you that it is not a foregone conclusion that any of that will happen. Good luck to you.
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