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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 21:27:44 GMT -6
Again, maybe I'm just dumb and lazy, but it seems to me like if you are somewhat competent with your team sessions and the coaching staff does a good job of communicating what they want from both sides of the ball, you still get what scripting it all would do for you. I wouldn't call anybody dumb or lazy but I don't think that they're working as efficiently as they could. You wouldn't call anyone dumb or lazy because you are being nice. In your true heart you know that is the only two reasons why someone would not use something that is going to give them a big advantage to their advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 21:32:02 GMT -6
In staff meetings, our DC goes over what looks he wants and he's the one who does the cards our scout team uses. Our OC isn't the one who decides what the scout O runs, our DC is. Again, this is what I was referring to in one of my above posts: we are pretty organized with our inside run, 7 on 7, and team sessions. It's just not scripted to the level of detail described in this thread. And, you don't know me very well. I'm the absolute last person on this site who would give the speech you allude to.
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Post by fantom on Jun 30, 2014 21:32:48 GMT -6
I wouldn't call anybody dumb or lazy but I don't think that they're working as efficiently as they could. You wouldn't call anyone dumb or lazy because you are being nice. In your true heart you know that is the only two reasons why someone would not use something that is going to give them a big advantage to their advantage. In my opinion, yes but that doesn't make them dumb or lazy. Some guys have just always done things a certain way. Coach, can we disagree here without being disagreeable? Discussions come to a grinding halt when guys stop discussing and start defending themselves or attacking back.
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Post by kmiller716 on Jun 30, 2014 21:38:45 GMT -6
what always gives me "comfort" is utilizing a script to present all potential situations (based off opponents tendencies) that my players could face. I often generate a script, then go over what each player will be going against, (especially corners, safeties and ends as we do not flop them) to make sure players face it before friday. When I did coach under the "throw the ball out there and go" practice format, I would find key mistakes in games and then think we ran this play numerous times, but guess what, it was to the other guy all week long, and the fella who got beat never saw it during the week.
I also like using it for subbing purposes. I know I want these guys seeing play 1 thru 6...play 7 I sub in and we go back to the top. Scripting to me allows for maximizing and efficiently preparing my defensive players for all the plays that the commies....I mean offensive coordinators like to throw at you.
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Post by kmiller716 on Jun 30, 2014 21:44:02 GMT -6
furthermore, I find that it manages the scout coach too. he has a script and the plays in the book are numbered and he shows the play and we go. if you have a coach just flipping through the book and picking random plays, he gets bored by Tuesday and he is then just picking the fun plays to run, especially if he is playing the qb.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 21:48:40 GMT -6
Again, maybe I'm just dumb and lazy, but it seems to me like if you are somewhat competent with your team sessions and the coaching staff does a good job of communicating what they want from both sides of the ball, you still get what scripting it all would do for you. I wouldn't call anybody dumb or lazy but I don't think that they're working as efficiently as they could. duplicate
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 21:54:21 GMT -6
You wouldn't call anyone dumb or lazy because you are being nice. In your true heart you know that is the only two reasons why someone would not use something that is going to give them a big advantage to their advantage. In my opinion, yes but that doesn't make them dumb or lazy. Some guys have just always done things a certain way. Coach, can we disagree here without being disagreeable? Discussions come to a grinding halt when guys stop discussing and start defending themselves or attacking back. I've asked numerous times for guys who do not script to tell me what advantage there is to not scripting. I have yet to hear a viable answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 21:59:31 GMT -6
People answered your question before you asked it. But, again, because it's something you disagree with, we're all "dumb and lazy."
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 22:05:37 GMT -6
You can get riled up with the "dumb and lazy" tag but it is what it is. If you don't script then you, or anyone else, is doing their program an injustice. If you want to defend it, I would love to hear why it is better to not script than to script. I spend hours a day doing it, so I would love to know why it would be advantageous to me to not do this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 22:11:02 GMT -6
Did you read the first few posts of this thread, or did you just jump in hurling insults, per your style? I already said I agreed with several of the posts answering your question on the previous page for why some don't like scripting. If you want me to re-type one of those word for word, I will but I'm really not seeing the need. It's the "dumb and lazy" approach in me...
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 22:18:30 GMT -6
Did you read the first few posts of this thread, or did you just jump in hurling insults, per your style? I already said I agreed with several of the posts answering your question on the previous page for why some don't like scripting. If you want me to re-type one of those word for word, I will but I'm really not seeing the need. It's the "dumb and lazy" approach in me... I never tagged you with the "dumb and lazy" approach but thanks for letting me know you are self righteously tagging yourself with that tag. I've yet to see a legitimate reason not to script practice. For those that script, we see the pro's. For those that don't, you see the excuses.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2014 22:19:05 GMT -6
People answered your question before you asked it. But, again, because it's something you disagree with, we're all "dumb and lazy." wolverine55 I looked back, and I didn't really see any answers to the "why not" question other than : 1) We have occasional situations where we bring out the chains, and want to run through EVERYTHING live for a brief amount of plays. 2) I don't want the defense to know what is coming..and have them prepared for when things go wrong.... 3) I trust the coach running the scout team to show me what I want..... The first one makes total sense. It is a period and you are not just trying to "get a look" but also to assess and drill other aspects of the game. The 2nd one really does kind of fall under the "you don't really understand the purpose" definition. The 3rd, well, it just seems like a "duh" to me, but why not ensure the situation, keep everyone on the same page, improve your ability to put your D in troubling situations, increase the pace... by simply scripting. I mean heck, if you are giving the scout team organizer the opponents tendencies anyway ( as one coach described) why not just just go the whole way I think one of the values of scripting is the mental exercise. Scripting, then drawing up scout cards is a GREAT way to discover issues, threats etc to your system. Also, if you have less experienced coaches, it is probably the BEST way for them to learn your system.
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Post by Coach Vint on Jun 30, 2014 22:24:07 GMT -6
Scripting helps me to be as efficient as possible. Scripting helps us to make sure we run our concepts versus the defensive looks we will see Friday Night. It helps us make sure we have run each concept from each formation we will use. It helps us to make sure we have scripted looks we need our QB to see to be prepared to check us into the right play. Scripting helps our players get into a rhythm. Scripting helps our coaches to coach more efficiently. Our script mirrors our game plan. Scripting helps us to make sure we aren't putting too much into our game plan. I can't imagine not scripting our practices. Each of our coaches are involved in scripting our practices. We even script our tempo. This helps us to make sure we work each of our modes. We coach from the sideline and signal during inside, pass hull, and team. Is it the best way? It is for us.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jun 30, 2014 22:24:51 GMT -6
People answered your question before you asked it. But, again, because it's something you disagree with, we're all "dumb and lazy." wolverine55 I looked back, and I didn't really see any answers to the "why not" question other than : 1) We have occasional situations where we bring out the chains, and want to run through EVERYTHING live for a brief amount of plays. 2) I don't want the defense to know what is coming..and have them prepared for when things go wrong.... The first one makes total sense. It is a period and you are not just trying to "get a look" but also to assess and drill other aspects of the game. The 2nd one really does kind of fall under the "you don't really understand the purpose" definition. A.) I understand not scripting scrimmages. The understanding of a scrimmage is that it allows players to react to plays in a real time game like experience. B.) Bingo C.)Still waiting on a valid reason as well.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 30, 2014 22:31:53 GMT -6
We script every inside run, 7 on 7, and team period, and usually will script a blitz pickup period on offense or a special period where we are working against a teams best run concept/play action off that concept on defense. I'm responsible for organizing the scout defense, and usually feel like I've got a pretty good idea of what the offense expects to see against certain formations, what they are really worried about on certain run plays and want to make sure they see, etc. by Wednesday, and could probably give a good scout look without a script, but how many reps would get wasted on Monday-Tuesday if we didn't have a scout script?
Defensively I don't see the value in not having it scripted either. How do I know that we saw enough reps of a certain check against a certain formation if we are just winging it? How do we work on the defenses we call in a given situation versus what the opposing offense runs in that situation? I worked as an assistant on a team that didn't script defensive practice at all, and I never felt like we were prepared, we spent a lot of practice time asking kids what they saw and arguing about conflicting responses, etc.
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jun 30, 2014 22:59:12 GMT -6
Take it back now that I think about it we did not script any of spring ball this year. We may keep not scripting. Reason was we got 8 brand new 3 way headsets ( o d then everyone can talk) me and dc where on field oc hc and postion coaches where on sideline . We just called the play and I told dc what front I wanted everone could hear watch what ever it was they wanted and vice versa when we went d worked well in my opinion.
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Post by fantom on Jun 30, 2014 23:04:23 GMT -6
A question for those who don't script: Do you use scout cards?
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jun 30, 2014 23:12:54 GMT -6
A question for those who don't script: Go you use scout cards? we did and spring have done 2 things in the past used the cards or gone as far as two make wrist bands for the o to simulate tempo better. For scout d fortunately we are multiple enuff to pretty much get the looks we want buy making a few adjustments.
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Post by coachphillip on Jun 30, 2014 23:16:14 GMT -6
A question for those who don't script: Go you use scout cards? Yes sir. I think there's some kind of weird imagining of what the team sessions look like for those of us who don't script. It's not like a pump up a football and say "have at it".
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Post by fantom on Jun 30, 2014 23:17:34 GMT -6
A question for those who don't script: Go you use scout cards? we did and spring have done 2 things in the past used the cards or gone as far as two make wrist bands for the o to simulate tempo better. For scout d fortunately we are multiple enuff to pretty much get the looks we want buy making a few adjustments. That's fine for offense but how about defense? How do you know what card you want for the play that you want the scout O to run?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 30, 2014 23:24:58 GMT -6
A question for those who don't script: Go you use scout cards? Yes sir. I think there's some kind of weird imagining of what the team sessions look like for those of us who don't script. It's not like a pump up a football and say "have at it". How do you use the cards?
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jun 30, 2014 23:35:04 GMT -6
we did and spring have done 2 things in the past used the cards or gone as far as two make wrist bands for the o to simulate tempo better. For scout d fortunately we are multiple enuff to pretty much get the looks we want buy making a few adjustments. That's fine for offense but how about defense? How do you know what card you want for the play that you want the scout O to run? For spring we had headsets in the past we did script 7on7 inside run and team for the d to know what card or banded play to run.like anything it don't always go as planned and the dc might want to see something new or again at this point ( non headset) he would tell A defensive assitent and they just ran over and told the playcaller.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 1, 2014 0:01:24 GMT -6
Coach, I don't think you understand the concept of scripting, and haven't experienced the practice with a competent staff. Then what is the concept and why do you like it?
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 1, 2014 0:05:47 GMT -6
1. You may end up with the opposite problem of that above: an OC who. rather than mimicking the opposing OC, plays "gotcha" to show what an awesome play-caller he is. 2. How does the OC know how the other guy calls a game? He hasn't been studying the opponent's offense. He's been trying to figure out the opposing DC. 1. You could, but as HC I'm not into seeing who has a bigger dick. I'd rather run what they're going to see and actually win rather than "getting" anyone. 2. I watch film with my DC and we come to an understanding of what top plays we need to stop and how we think they'll try to hurt us. There isn't that much mystery to what you're going to see from the other team defensively.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 1, 2014 0:07:27 GMT -6
I script every period other than indy. To me it is of the most importance to have the knowledge of what we are doing next and what we want to get a look at on that day. To those who don't script (I've been on staffs that do and don't), you either have don't understand it or you are too lazy to do it as it does take a lot of time to do it. You're a piece of work man.
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Post by brophy on Jul 1, 2014 0:19:48 GMT -6
at the places where we didn't script, it was primarily because 1) we never changed personnel 2) we never changed the call, regardless of D&D/scenario.
Being that those were the constants, scripting wouldn't have mattered much
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Post by groundchuck on Jul 1, 2014 3:55:44 GMT -6
You can get riled up with the "dumb and lazy" tag but it is what it is. If you don't script then you, or anyone else, is doing their program an injustice. If you want to defend it, I would love to hear why it is better to not script than to script. I spend hours a day doing it, so I would love to know why it would be advantageous to me to not do this. I script. But I know a coaching staff that doesn't spend hours like you do scripting. They have five state titles and will probably add number six this year. The head coach calls the plays and on offense runs similar plays for blocks of time. So they might run Power and play action for "x" number of minutes then switch gears. This isn't scripting in the sense of the word that many of us talk about it but it is a form of organization. Same concept on defense. They seem to get everything covered, and I would dare anyone to call him "dumb or lazy." He certainly is neither as I spent some time on his coaching staff. I don't think they are doing their program an injustice. All that being said I think it is better to script and helps a lot. WE would not have won the games we have won without being organized as all get out. I think the majority of us feel that way. So please (everyone) refrain from getting into a heated argument about whether or not scripting or not scripting will bring the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to Earth.
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Post by blb on Jul 1, 2014 5:49:57 GMT -6
Why do you always have to be THAT guy? We don't understand it or are simply too lazy to do it? I script my group sessions just fine. Don't seem to be too lazy then. I started doing it the way I'm doing it because my HC is our OC and I trust him implicitly to call what I've prescribed on a sheet based on the opponents' tendencies. I have wrist coaches for all my defensive guys so he can tell us what he's running and nobody's left in the dark. The majority of what we do is auto based on formation so the kids call what they call. If I end up with not enough of a given situation then I'll make sure to give it extra time in group the next day. I know what I'm doing. I'm not stupid or lazy. And yes, if you don't script you are at a huge disadvantage to someone who does. Either you don't understand why you are or you do and you are too lazy to do it.
Save the lectures and insults for your own staff, Buck.
Show some professional respect and courtesy.
A lot of guys on here who have coached a lot more Football (successfully) than you.
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Post by coachwilcox on Jul 1, 2014 5:51:56 GMT -6
You can get riled up with the "dumb and lazy" tag but it is what it is. If you don't script then you, or anyone else, is doing their program an injustice. If you want to defend it, I would love to hear why it is better to not script than to script. I spend hours a day doing it, so I would love to know why it would be advantageous to me to not do this. I script. But I know a coaching staff that doesn't spend hours like you do scripting. They have five state titles and will probably add number six this year. The head coach calls the plays and on offense runs similar plays for blocks of time. So they might run Power and play action for "x" number of minutes then switch gears. This isn't scripting in the sense of the word that many of us talk about it but it is a form of organization. Same concept on defense. They seem to get everything covered, and I would dare anyone to call him "dumb or lazy." He certainly is neither as I spent some time on his coaching staff. I don't think they are doing their program an injustice. All that being said I think it is better to script and helps a lot. WE would not have won the games we have won without being organized as all get out. I think the majority of us feel that way. So please (everyone) refrain from getting into a heated argument about whether or not scripting or not scripting will bring the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse to Earth. Scripting is an organizational tool. The coach you speak of is using a similar organizational tool by having "Power Periods" or "Sweep Drills", etc. Same concept and nothing is wrong with either. We must understand something as well. Just because you win doesn't mean you are doing things the most efficient way. The kids we have on the field have a lot to do on whether you get the "W's" or not. If your kids are more athletic than the other team and bigger/stronger, than sometimes you can throw out the scheme, organization, etc. I'm not saying that is necessarily the case with the coach you are referencing. He maybe the best coach since Lombardi, all I'm saying is, we shouldn't look at a program and say, "He wins so he must be doing it right." This particular coach maybe, but not every coach that wins runs a program efficiently. Sometimes he just has the Jimmy and Joe's.
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Post by blb on Jul 1, 2014 5:54:48 GMT -6
And yes, if you don't script you are at a huge disadvantage to someone who does. Either you don't understand why you are or you do and you are too lazy to do it. This post is a GREAT example of why I've been staying away lately. There's not a whole lot of discussion anymore. Anyone who does something different is either dumb or lazy or both.
Only one poster really.
"Consider the source," wolverine.
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