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Post by fantom on Jan 29, 2014 14:11:11 GMT -6
On a snow day (Ten inches of powder in SE Virginia slows things down a lot) I was curious about if there are parts of practice or the practice week that bore you or that you dislike for any reason. Admitting that there is doesn't make you a worse coach unless you let it compromise the job that you do. It doesn't mean that you think that you should eliminate that segment. There are a lot of things that we do that we don't like (paying bills, commuting, etc.).
I hate Special Teams period. I understand how important it is and I'm a professional. I do my job to the best of my ability and the kids will never know that STs bore me by the way I coach but they do bore me. I do not find watching to see if the punt team players block their gaps then cover their landmarks to be especially stimulating.
How about you guys?
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jan 29, 2014 14:12:01 GMT -6
Stretching
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Post by fantom on Jan 29, 2014 14:17:58 GMT -6
I didn't mention that because it kind of goes without saying. |
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Post by powerfootball71 on Jan 29, 2014 14:31:30 GMT -6
Being the line coach I despise special teams period I usually try to go do some work on the side but enuff of the line kids are on various special teams we need to be in the vicinity.
But my all time least favorite part of practice is any sort of align and assign period where a dc talks for ever and the oline has to take a knee might be a coaching issue but any drill that requires players taking a knee is a waste of time use bags or cans or some thing. 90 plus kids standing around for 11 don't make much sense to me. Granted it's usually a Thursday practice thing.
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Post by playsmart on Jan 29, 2014 15:17:54 GMT -6
I don't mind special teams or stretching. I try to use that time to its fullest.
For example, during form and flex I walk around and quiz the kids on things they need to remember for the day or for game day. Maybe were to align in a formation that is new. Just another way to get a mental rep. I also use that time to build relationships with the kids and ask them questions about their classes or their families.
During Specials, I use that time as my Indy time. Generally our QB's are on a single specials except maybe PAT/FG.
The thing I hate the most is being a hard ass at practice because things aren't being done correctly or not being done at game speed. Generally to correct this, you have to take practice time to remind them of the expectations. Doing this during team isn't that bad because we stick to a script and when it is done we are done. However during group or Indy, it takes away reps.
I also hate standing around for any thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 15:27:14 GMT -6
It used to be stretching, but at my current program, we do dynamic stretching and position specific drills in our position groups. No "full team" stretching activities and we do the same for games. The main reason I hated stretching is at my last program, we did "Titan" jumping jacks where the players would spell the word as they did jumping jacks. If everyone wasn't uniform with their timing, another coach would make the whole team do them again. Seriously, who gives a crap if they do jumping jacks perfectly? Let's just start practice!
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Post by coachplaa on Jan 29, 2014 15:37:06 GMT -6
Anything that will not show up in game film on Friday night.
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Post by fantom on Jan 29, 2014 15:41:04 GMT -6
Anything that will not show up in game film on Friday night. C'mon. There's nothing that you know is important and coach enthusiastically but do not personally enjoy? |
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Post by coachrdc on Jan 29, 2014 16:09:09 GMT -6
As a D-line coach: 7 on 7. I just don't understand it, I would think an extended team session would do just as well, but I've never been accused of knowing everything. Maybe I need to coach Safeties sometime.
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 29, 2014 16:20:18 GMT -6
Specials kill me! Poor specials are the easiest way to lose games you should win too. But, I just cannot genuinely bring myself to love it. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Waiting for anybody drives me crazy. Waiting for my HC/OC to explain all the intricacies of the Buck Sweep to my scout offense that will only run it for four weeks in their entire lives. Waiting for the DL to run over from the longest twenty yard time span I've ever experienced. Waiting for "one more play" when I just got my group and busted butt over to make sure we were on schedule.
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 29, 2014 16:22:55 GMT -6
As a D-line coach: 7 on 7. I just don't understand it, I would think an extended team session would do just as well, but I've never been accused of knowing everything. Maybe I need to coach Safeties sometime. I used to hate 7 on 7 when I was a DL coach. Been a DC for the past seven years and I get it now. I just go half line rush and half pass skeleton a lot more to help my big boys not be so bored. |
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Post by realdawg on Jan 29, 2014 16:24:55 GMT -6
Goal line period. I am the DL coach and we never do this period live bc our scout team couldn't block us. So all we did was line up and adjust to opponents formations. Problem is our DL align the same no matter what. So they took a knee the whole time. I know it's important but it was a huge waste of time.
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Post by champ93 on Jan 29, 2014 16:29:45 GMT -6
Being the line coach I despise special teams period I usually try to go do some work on the side but enuff of the line kids are on various special teams we need to be in the vicinity. But my all time least favorite part of practice is any sort of align and assign period where a dc talks for ever and the oline has to take a knee might be a coaching issue but any drill that requires players taking a knee is a waste of time use bags or cans or some thing. 90 plus kids standing around for 11 don't make much sense to me. Granted it's usually a Thursday practice thing. I have to agree with you here and I'm a DC. I try to use trash cans instead of people for an o-line, but my midseason some of the trashcans were commandeered by the custodial staff, so we used people instead. I try to be quick as possible but it is what it is. I try to have the oline up and moving, walking through the opponent's plays since most will be on scout. As the DC, I am bored numb during Team O, especially after I stand there watching the O have to walk through a play they just ran incorrectly. I am also not a fan of after-practice sermons. 3 minutes max and send them home. |
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Post by coachbdud on Jan 29, 2014 17:06:22 GMT -6
I hate tip drill
I mean it always turns in to a screw off period... kids have fun with it so thats a bonus but I think some guy made it up one day and everyone else in the country bought in to it
teams ive coached have done it every year ive coached, and in these 8 years... i cant remember a single time, in a game where we got a tip up in to the air, and someone on our team intercepted it.
I think it is a waste of practice time
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Post by eaglemountie on Jan 29, 2014 17:19:50 GMT -6
Stretching, time between water breaks and transitioning to the next drill or period. Anything that takes time away from actually practicing football (guest speakers, injuries, principal wants to give pep talk, etc.)
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Post by blb on Jan 29, 2014 17:35:59 GMT -6
I hate tip drill I mean it always turns in to a screw off period... kids have fun with it so thats a bonus but I think some guy made it up one day and everyone else in the country bought in to it teams ive coached have done it every year ive coached, and in these 8 years... i cant remember a single time, in a game where we got a tip up in to the air, and someone on our team intercepted it. I think it is a waste of practice time
Then, don't do it?
Lots of other fundamental, technique, and scheme drills you could be doing with Back 7.
Having said that - it's good to do a drill "just for fun" kids enjoy once in awhile.
For example, third day of Two-a-Days when everybody's dragging.
Middle of season when practice starts to get to be a little more of routine drudgery.
Can only turn into a "screw off period" if coach allows it.
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Post by coachg13 on Jan 29, 2014 17:43:13 GMT -6
We have a pre-practice - tip drill included. Our JV and varsity are separate, but pre-practice is all together. All the JV coaches have a duty or can't get there quick enough before it starts. So it's basically 4 coaches with about 80 kids. Total joke. Just a waste of time.
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Post by blb on Jan 29, 2014 17:46:36 GMT -6
fantom, all due respect, if you were the header you'd feel differently about KG period - especially if you lose one because of a major malfunction in that area.
Long about middle of season I look at practice plan (which I write) on my way out to practice field and think - "Oh, crap - I've got to do Veer Drill AGAIN?!?"
But by the time I get to it I've reminded myself this is what we do, so we have to do it and do it well or else, and if I don't feel enthusiastic, I can ACT enthusiastic - and then I will be!
Fool myself as it were.
Never fails.
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Post by fantom on Jan 29, 2014 18:01:16 GMT -6
fantom, all due respect, if you were the header you'd feel differently about KG period - especially if you lose one because of a major malfunction in that area. Long about middle of season I look at practice plan (which I write) on my way out to practice field and think - "Oh, crap - I've got to do Veer Drill AGAIN?!?" But by the time I get to it I've reminded myself this is what we do, so we have to do it and do it well or else, and if I don't feel enthusiastic, I can ACT enthusiastic - and then I will be! Fool myself as it were. Never fails. Don't get me wrong. I know how important it is and I coach it that way. It is boring, though. |
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Post by spos21ram on Jan 29, 2014 18:06:54 GMT -6
Anything that will not show up in game film on Friday night. Bill Belichik has joined the board Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards |
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Post by blb on Jan 29, 2014 18:13:22 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong. I know how important it is and I coach it that way. It is boring, though.
I know what you're saying but on Game Night there is nothing more exciting for me than when we block a kick or break a long punt-kick return.
If we run a punt or kick back for TD then we don't have to rely on my play calling to get us into end zone, which is always a good thing.
In fact any player that blocks a kick during a game is excused from conditioning the following week.
Because in my experience when we do our odds of winning have gone up approximately as much as it does when we score on defense (50%).
That's how strongly I feel about it - because he's either saved us 30 or so yards in field position, or taken point(s) off the board.
Now, if I could just figure out how to block opponents' Kick offs...
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 29, 2014 18:29:08 GMT -6
On a snow day (Ten inches of powder in SE Virginia slows things down a lot) I was curious about if there are parts of practice or the practice week that bore you or that you dislike for any reason. Admitting that there is doesn't make you a worse coach unless you let it compromise the job that you do. It doesn't mean that you think that you should eliminate that segment. There are a lot of things that we do that we don't like (paying bills, commuting, etc.). I hate Special Teams period. I understand how important it is and I'm a professional. I do my job to the best of my ability and the kids will never know that STs bore me by the way I coach but they do bore me. I do not find watching to see if the punt team players block their gaps then cover their landmarks to be especially stimulating. How about you guys? I hate working on special teams. I really do. |
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 29, 2014 18:30:32 GMT -6
I hate tip drill I mean it always turns in to a screw off period... kids have fun with it so thats a bonus but I think some guy made it up one day and everyone else in the country bought in to it teams ive coached have done it every year ive coached, and in these 8 years... i cant remember a single time, in a game where we got a tip up in to the air, and someone on our team intercepted it. I think it is a waste of practice time I have not coached "tip drill" in about 25 years. That has to be about as useful as jumping jacks. |
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 29, 2014 18:36:47 GMT -6
The days during the start of the season that we can't wear full pads and hit-just helmets especially. ( 2 days just helmets then 3 more with just uppers) I don't do any warm-ups so I can't hate stretching.  |
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Post by mcrsa75 on Jan 29, 2014 18:42:24 GMT -6
I do not like the TEAM stretch that teams usually do at the beginning of practice. I think that players are better served by dividing up into position groups and incorporate dynamic/static stretching with some type of football related skill (center/QB exchange DB'S working on backpedal, OL/DL working on footwork/hand technique, etc....).
Also, I do not like to stop for water breaks. If possible, strategically place water cooler around the practice fields. Position coach can allow players to get water BUT keep the DRILL MOVING!!
This may be slightly off topic, but what is your program's philosophy towards special teams? Do you do a standard KO/KOR (kick from MOF & stay in your lane/wedge return on KOR)? Or do you actively game plan to create plays with your ST unit (aggressively/strategically go after the punt/criss-cross on KO to confuse opponent's KOR team, on-side kick at unexpected times, etc....)? At most places I have been, we have done standard things with the ST unit; consequently, it is somewhat boring to coach. However, we spend quality time/rep to game plan our ST for the weekly opponent at my current job. I must say that I have taken a greater interest I coaching special teams.
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Post by blb on Jan 29, 2014 18:45:04 GMT -6
Sure, I'd rather be calling plays or defenses in Team.
More fun because it's more like 2/3 of game night. And it's easier.
One of the reasons we practice KG right after Individual about 45 minutes into practice. Get it over with so we don't neglect it at end, and when we do it earlier kids think it's more important.
Plus I coach my azz off during Kicking Game period every day - and I'm the head coach.
(Our assistants are either coaching Scout Special Teams or a phase of ours - KOR Front 5, PAT-FG protection, for ex.)
All know if it doesn't get done right we'll do it again, which cuts into next period (Water Break, Helmet Check, 'Sky Drill' - mostly the latter). |
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Post by fantom on Jan 29, 2014 18:58:55 GMT -6
Sure, I'd rather be calling plays or defenses in Team.
More fun because it's more like 2/3 of game night. And it's easier.
One of the reasons we practice KG right after Individual about 45 minutes into practice. Get it over with so we don't neglect it at end, and when we do it earlier kids think it's more important.
Plus I coach my azz off during Kicking Game period every day - and I'm the head coach.
(Our assistants are either coaching Scout Special Teams or a phase of ours - KOR Front 5, PAT-FG protection, for ex.)
All know if it doesn't get done right we'll do it again, which cuts into next period (Water Break, Helmet Check, 'Sky Drill' - mostly the latter). Yeah but it;s still boring. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 29, 2014 19:03:10 GMT -6
conditioning, I get easily sidetracked and bored.
Also don't like whole team walk through/teaching sessions. I know they serve a purpose and give the team a good feel for what to look for and how we are going to adjust but man my energy kicks in and sometimes I borderline get the scout team in trouble. We are really good about speeding it up around here but I still wind up wandering.
Running offensive scout team for teams that are very limited or with extreme tendencies or scout 7's for teams with 3 or 4 routes. It becomes extremely monotonous. Once again, my attention span gets the best of me and that is where a trick play or two pops up.
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Post by blb on Jan 29, 2014 19:03:56 GMT -6
Yeah but it;s still boring.
Lose a game because of it and see how boring it is next week at practice.
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Post by fantom on Jan 29, 2014 19:07:45 GMT -6
Yeah but it;s still boring.
Lose a game because of it and see how boring it is next week at practice.
Coach, look at what the thread is about. It's not about what we think is important. It's about stuff that we don't like doing. If there is no part of practice that you don't like you're a lucky man. |
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