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Post by Yash on Feb 2, 2014 16:40:51 GMT -6
If you do not enjoy practice...you are really in the wrong business!! It's how well you do the small parts of your job that you do not enjoy that separates the good ones from the bad ones. This is the absolute truth. The PITA details and how well you teach them is what makes you a great team/coach. It's not how much you enjoy teaching them, its how well you teach them. This is something our staff is trying to improve on.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 4, 2014 13:51:07 GMT -6
- Conditioning. If it's not in practice time/setting, it usually turns into a peeing contest over 'jumping off sides', foot/toe/hand over the line, didn't touch the line, pulled up at the end, didn't go hard, etc.... so that one didn't count, do it again.
- Any 'do that again'. I try to script live team periods to be as game like as possible. I like DC's fix it at the end 'period'
- Anytime a coach coaches one kid while 70 stand around.
- Picture day. All the comedians show up during pictures. If we had 3 picture days like mention, I'd hand myself from the gym rafters. If it weren't for having to get a picture for the program done ASAP in the beginning of the season, I'd wait until about week 8 so all the slap d!cks will have quit by then. I used to do that when I did subvarsity and didn't have to worry about a program.
- Indy period. That is correct, I don't care much for Indy. Mostly our Indy is a double ST/Indy period; so the only safeties/corners that aren't on KO and Punt, aren't going to be the field much Friday. During the Return day, Usually only about 1/3 are with me. Plus, other than some technical issues that you can rep very quickly, I'd rather be working against some WRs. Yeah, I coach the hades out of all those former WRs that the WR coach has decided to send to me because they can't play dead in a cowboy movie, but it gets boring.
- Post practice sermons.
- Routes on Air.
- Prepractice that lasts beyond 5 minutes. Usually the O does it right by doing their walk through/install during this time. And D does have to get a feel for what they are preparing for this week. But this is often is a 1 coaching 11 version of #2.
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Post by blb on Feb 4, 2014 14:01:50 GMT -6
- Conditioning. If it's not in practice time/setting, it usually turns into a peeing contest over 'jumping off sides', foot/toe/hand over the line, didn't touch the line, pulled up at the end, didn't go hard, etc.... so that one didn't count, do it again. - Any 'do that again'. I try to script live team periods to be as game like as possible. I like DC's fix it at the end 'period' - Anytime a coach coaches one kid while 70 stand around. - Picture day. All the comedians show up during pictures. If we had 3 picture days like mention, I'd hand myself from the gym rafters. If it weren't for having to get a picture for the program done ASAP in the beginning of the season, I'd wait until about week 8 so all the slap d!cks will have quit by then. I used to do that when I did subvarsity and didn't have to worry about a program. - Indy period. That is correct, I don't care much for Indy. Mostly our Indy is a double ST/Indy period; so the only safeties/corners that aren't on KO and Punt, aren't going to be the field much Friday. During the Return day, Usually only about 1/3 are with me. Plus, other than some technical issues that you can rep very quickly, I'd rather be working against some WRs. Yeah, I coach the hades out of all those former WRs that the WR coach has decided to send to me because they can't play dead in a cowboy movie, but it gets boring. - Post practice sermons. - Routes on Air. - Prepractice that lasts beyond 5 minutes. Usually the O does it right by doing their walk through/install during this time. And D does have to get a feel for what they are preparing for this week. But this is often is a 1 coaching 11 version of #2.
So that pretty much only leaves Team?
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 4, 2014 14:26:31 GMT -6
No, just certain segments or how those are handled.
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Post by spartandefense on Feb 4, 2014 14:51:21 GMT -6
I am actually very surprised by the answers on this thread.
As a DC, I expect all basic reads, calls, checks, and alignments to be taught and discussed in pre-practice in position groups. That way we don't need to the whole 50 guys stand around install or checks routine. Kids concentrate much better in small groups.
We also do our run reads (at a very light pace) in pre-practice and there is nothing more critical to defensive football than reading your keys.
Pre practice to me is one of the most valuable periods!
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 4, 2014 15:52:26 GMT -6
I think people are disagreeing with the idea of a "pre practice". It's not separate from practice. It's practice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2014 18:09:28 GMT -6
I think people are disagreeing with the idea of a "pre practice". It's not separate from practice. It's practice. I challenge anyone to come watch our "pre practice" and call it "practice" with a straight face.
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Post by spartandefense on Feb 4, 2014 18:35:46 GMT -6
I am a defensive guy but the Pre-practice run by most air raid teams seems like a great way to get guys used to catching balls and get loose.
We do "settle and noose" and "pat and go" and they seem to work well to get everyone loosened up.
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Post by souza12 on Feb 4, 2014 22:33:29 GMT -6
If you do not enjoy practice...you are really in the wrong business!! I enjoy the journey but not all the speed bumps. Might wanna step off that high horse before you fall and hurt yourself I kid I kid
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Post by rpetrie on Feb 5, 2014 10:14:23 GMT -6
I agree that specials are important, but boring. That being said I think it is boring BECAUSE we are very basic in our approach.
KO - 2 variations...base & onsides KOR - 1 return scheme...unless they do something funky then we may make an alignment adjustment Punt - 1 base scheme, 1 fake Punt Ret - 1 basic scheme, block scheme is game-planned weekly FG/PAT - 1 base scheme, 1 fake
Very little week-to-week game planning.
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Post by silverback1 on Feb 5, 2014 14:25:40 GMT -6
Stretching and Water breaks!!!! I think they are a complete waste of time usually around 30-45 minutes a day of after school practice.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2014 14:35:52 GMT -6
Stretching and Water breaks!!!! I think they are a complete waste of time usually around 30-45 minutes a day of after school practice. suggestion: start doing dynamic warmups (which we include blocking and tackling in). and put water at every station/location that way you don't have to take water breaks.
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Post by blb on Feb 5, 2014 17:47:10 GMT -6
We tell kids, "If it wasn't important, we wouldn't be doing it."
And that's true.
So coach it that way.
If you're bored by something they probably are too.
If you're tired and unenthusiastic, they will be too.
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Post by fantom on Feb 5, 2014 18:27:03 GMT -6
We tell kids, "If it wasn't important, we wouldn't be doing it."
And that's true.
So coach it that way.
If you're bored by something they probably are too.
If you're tired and unenthusiastic, they will be too. Coach, I agree with you. The fact that I don't like doing something doesn't change how I do it.
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Post by carookie on Feb 5, 2014 19:32:35 GMT -6
I agree that specials are important, but boring. That being said I think it is boring BECAUSE we are very basic in our approach. KO - 2 variations...base & onsides KOR - 1 return scheme...unless they do something funky then we may make an alignment adjustment Punt - 1 base scheme, 1 fake Punt Ret - 1 basic scheme, block scheme is game-planned weekly FG/PAT - 1 base scheme, 1 fake Very little week-to-week game planning. I would LOVE that. Ive been at places where the HC wanted a new look each week for each team. The problem is we only had 10 min each week for each team. So we never really taught technique, we just went over the play each week. Of course with the lack in continuity kids would inevitably mess up, the coach would get upset and tell them they should know what to do- they were given a scouting report and packet explaining to them what to do. It blows my mind that some coaches believe just telling a player what to do, or giving them a packet is coaching.
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Post by holmesbend on Feb 5, 2014 21:42:53 GMT -6
Stretching.
Picture day. BUT, the last two years we have done picture day on the Friday before school starts...which means no practice. I hate picture day. Hated it as a player. Hate as a coach
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Post by 33coach on Feb 5, 2014 21:59:49 GMT -6
Stretching. Picture day. BUT, the last two years we have done picture day on the Friday before school starts...which means no practice. I hate picture day. Hated it as a player. Hate as a coach Yea picture day sucks. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by blb on Feb 6, 2014 10:35:03 GMT -6
I don't consider Picture Day a part of practice because it's a one-time event like Parents' Meeting and Banquet (all of which I dislike equally), not something done every day like Individual, Group, Kicking Game, etc.
I once coached at a D-III college for a head coach whose idea of practice was calling plays. We were lucky if we got 15 minutes Individual any given day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 10:35:30 GMT -6
Seriously guys, no one has posted this yet? C'mon...
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Post by silverback1 on Feb 6, 2014 15:02:06 GMT -6
Stretching and Water breaks!!!! I think they are a complete waste of time usually around 30-45 minutes a day of after school practice. suggestion: start doing dynamic warmups (which we include blocking and tackling in). and put water at every station/location that way you don't have to take water breaks. I agree totally when I was a part of the hurry up system we used the same strategy but now that Im back in an old school system, 35 minutes of water breaks and 10 minutes of stretching are the norm...
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Post by 33coach on Feb 6, 2014 15:24:54 GMT -6
suggestion: start doing dynamic warmups (which we include blocking and tackling in). and put water at every station/location that way you don't have to take water breaks. I agree totally when I was a part of the hurry up system we used the same strategy but now that Im back in an old school system, 35 minutes of water breaks and 10 minutes of stretching are the norm... anyone who stretches before practice these days I start to lose respect for. I dont know what jumping jacks and leg lifts have to do with football..... stretching is for after practice
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2014 18:21:28 GMT -6
I agree that specials are important, but boring. That being said I think it is boring BECAUSE we are very basic in our approach. KO - 2 variations...base & onsides KOR - 1 return scheme...unless they do something funky then we may make an alignment adjustment Punt - 1 base scheme, 1 fake Punt Ret - 1 basic scheme, block scheme is game-planned weekly FG/PAT - 1 base scheme, 1 fake Very little week-to-week game planning. I would LOVE that. Ive been at places where the HC wanted a new look each week for each team. The problem is we only had 10 min each week for each team. So we never really taught technique, we just went over the play each week. Of course with the lack in continuity kids would inevitably mess up, the coach would get upset and tell them they should know what to do- they were given a scouting report and packet explaining to them what to do. It blows my mind that some coaches believe just telling a player what to do, or giving them a packet is coaching. I used to coach for a guy like that. We'd have 2-3 new kick returns every week, as well as 1 or 2 new fake FGs. We never really worked on the technique of a return or fake, just walked through the play against air a few times. He was old school (been coaching 30+ years) and was big on trying to outscheme opponents. We'd install a bunch of new plays on offense each week based on what he'd seen on TV that weekend or something he'd seen on film. That was just his way. He was always talking about how he needed "fresh stuff." Offensively, it led to a bunch of big plays and a bunch of bad ones, too. Special Teams were usually godawful, though. I think they went for about 3 years without actually making a FG or PAT. In the end, it typically worked out to a .500ish season with a couple of big runs over the decades.
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Post by fantom on Feb 7, 2014 18:27:28 GMT -6
He was old school (been coaching 30+ years) and was big on trying to outscheme opponents. We'd install a bunch of new plays on offense each week based on what he'd seen on TV that weekend or something he'd seen on film. That was just his way. He was always talking about how he needed "fresh stuff." As an "old school" coach (or maybe just old) let me tell you that that's not old school.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 7, 2014 19:42:38 GMT -6
I would LOVE that. Ive been at places where the HC wanted a new look each week for each team. The problem is we only had 10 min each week for each team. So we never really taught technique, we just went over the play each week. Of course with the lack in continuity kids would inevitably mess up, the coach would get upset and tell them they should know what to do- they were given a scouting report and packet explaining to them what to do. It blows my mind that some coaches believe just telling a player what to do, or giving them a packet is coaching. I used to coach for a guy like that. We'd have 2-3 new kick returns every week, as well as 1 or 2 new fake FGs. We never really worked on the technique of a return or fake, just walked through the play against air a few times. He was old school (been coaching 30+ years) and was big on trying to outscheme opponents. We'd install a bunch of new plays on offense each week based on what he'd seen on TV that weekend or something he'd seen on film. That was just his way. He was always talking about how he needed "fresh stuff." Offensively, it led to a bunch of big plays and a bunch of bad ones, too. Special Teams were usually godawful, though. I think they went for about 3 years without actually making a FG or PAT. In the end, it typically worked out to a .500ish season with a couple of big runs over the decades. That's what I call a madden coach. Nothing old school about it. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using proboards
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Post by silkyice on Feb 7, 2014 20:40:02 GMT -6
REally? YOu don't just use the same picture for all three? No. That would make too much sense... Each one uses a different photographer. Paper sends their guy (takes all these really weird "ESPN" style photos), yearbook is the librarian, and the program photos are taken by whoever we contract that out to. I've never seen a school do a lot of the stuff we do here. Coacharnold, please tell Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, and my mother-in-law hey for me, cause you coach in He!!.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 7, 2014 21:21:10 GMT -6
No. That would make too much sense... Each one uses a different photographer. Paper sends their guy (takes all these really weird "ESPN" style photos), yearbook is the librarian, and the program photos are taken by whoever we contract that out to. I've never seen a school do a lot of the stuff we do here. Coacharnold, please tell Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, and my mother-in-law hey for me, cause you coach in He!!. Just to clear the air, my mother-in-law is one of the sweetest and best people I know and still alive. Just thought that quip sounded funnier with that in there.
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 8, 2014 8:00:15 GMT -6
I do not like the TEAM stretch that teams usually do at the beginning of practice. I think that players are better served by dividing up into position groups and incorporate dynamic/static stretching with some type of football related skill (center/QB exchange DB'S working on backpedal, OL/DL working on footwork/hand technique, etc....).
Also, I do not like to stop for water breaks. If possible, strategically place water cooler around the practice fields. Position coach can allow players to get water BUT keep the DRILL MOVING!!
This may be slightly off topic, but what is your program's philosophy towards special teams? Do you do a standard KO/KOR (kick from MOF & stay in your lane/wedge return on KOR)? Or do you actively game plan to create plays with your ST unit (aggressively/strategically go after the punt/criss-cross on KO to confuse opponent's KOR team, on-side kick at unexpected times, etc....)? At most places I have been, we have done standard things with the ST unit; consequently, it is somewhat boring to coach. However, we spend quality time/rep to game plan our ST for the weekly opponent at my current job. I must say that I have taken a greater interest I coaching special teams.
MCRSA75 Sometimes I need those 2 minutes to refocus and/or ask my assistants about x drill or y thought I came up with on the spot.
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Post by blb on Feb 8, 2014 9:00:50 GMT -6
When we practice I want kids going full-speed, whatever we're doing, or it's wasted reps.
They can't do that for two hours straight.
To "Practice Smart," sometimes that means, give them a break (not to mention the old phart coaches). So I don't agree with "keeping a drill moving" while they get water.
Heck games are only 48 timed minutes with at least three intermissions and only about 12 minutes of actual action.
Approximately half way through practice we give them a 5-minute water break, Helmet Check (so no kids get hurt and for liability), and "Sky Drill" - kids lay on their backs helmets on chest and check out the Sky for 2-3 minutes.
The one drill we execute perfectly every day.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 8, 2014 10:57:25 GMT -6
I hate any part of practice where we have to rep to death some skill we've been screwing up on Friday night. It frustrates me to no end; repping it and repping it, praying that it sticks..
It's always a toss up: schedule just a tad more time and live to fight another day or hammer them at the expense of other skills.
For example, our inside LBs couldn't read to save their lives... We made it simple, went through it each day, on the white board and in drills. We beat it into them on film. But, they still managed to screw it up. Their eyes always got caught in the backfield first, regardless of how we approached it. We had two kids that could do it right but they were freshman that were either too slow to get where they needed to be or too small and weak to make it count when they did. So, it was a double edge sword; either watch Harry and Lloyd make proper reads and get their asses kicked at the POA or watch the upper classmen drop into into coverage on Iso half the time. We started Harry and Lloyd..
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Post by carookie on Feb 9, 2014 20:58:31 GMT -6
I hate any part of practice where we have to rep to death some skill we've been screwing up on Friday night. It frustrates me to no end; repping it and repping it, praying that it sticks.. It's always a toss up: schedule just a tad more time and live to fight another day or hammer them at the expense of other skills. For example, our inside LBs couldn't read to save their lives... We made it simple, went through it each day, on the white board and in drills. We beat it into them on film. But, they still managed to screw it up. Their eyes always got caught in the backfield first, regardless of how we approached it. We had two kids that could do it right but they were freshman that were either too slow to get where they needed to be or too small and weak to make it count when they did. So, it was a double edge sword; either watch Harry and Lloyd make proper reads and get their asses kicked at the POA or watch the upper classmen drop into into coverage on Iso half the time. We started Harry and Lloyd.. Were their names actually Harry and Lloyd or are you protecting the innocent with "Dumb and Dumber"? If that was their actual names I dont know if I could make it through the season.
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