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Post by TripleOption68 on Jan 30, 2014 9:38:56 GMT -6
Coaches who do not setup their drills/equipment in advance and then it cuts into period time!!! AMEN
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Post by jlenwood on Jan 30, 2014 9:42:58 GMT -6
Motivational speeches / pre game speeches / post practice "we gotta work harder" speeches, basically any of the tired cliched speeches that some coaches feel is neccesary. The only exception I will give is one of our coaches served in Iraq. When he shares something from his time deployed I know and the kids no sh#* is about to get real. It is goose bump kind of stuff.
I hate pre-game warm ups, pursuit time, a pi$$ed off HC who thinks because one or two players screwed up that day at school everyone must run or do some other "team" punishment and it cuts out my indy time.
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Post by jg78 on Jan 30, 2014 9:49:40 GMT -6
I am always ready to tell him the time I need (I am the DC, by the way) whenever he wants to know. I think I may ask when we start spring ball if we can do the practice schedule the night before or some time during the day. I have a couple of free periods. I doubt that would speed things up too much, but it couldn't hurt. It's a frustrating situation. I told my assistants that if they wanted any say about our practice plan that theyd better stop by the office after the kids left the locker room. Rarely does anyone bother. So I type up the practice plan each night or early in the am and email it. Some I don't think really read it until they show up to practice and say "Oh I didn't get the email" and I hand them one of the 6 I have printed out. (enabling on my part) The good guys not only show up with their own copy but set up all of their drills while the kids are stretching (a great reason to have a team stretch, its assistant coach set up time, head coach admin bs time) I like it. When I was an HC, I would drop by our DC's classroom during his free period and ask him how he wanted defensive practice included in the practice schedule. I would consider that and put it into the schedule. I would then post it on the bulletin board in the dressing room so the players knew exactly what we were doing and when we were starting the minute they set foot in there. And we hit the ground running as soon as we could. I am a thorough coach and don't cut any corners, but I also want to get 3-4 hrs. of work done in 3-4 hrs. - not 4-5 hrs. I think disorganization not only leads to wasted time but also lack of focus by the players. Give them too much down time and their focus tends to drift.
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Post by drewdawg265 on Jan 30, 2014 10:38:14 GMT -6
It takes a special person to enjoy the aspects of coaching special teams. It is important and involves a lot of detail. There is a reason why 90% of special-teams coaches at the NFL or NCAA level are drunk lunatics.....
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 30, 2014 10:48:29 GMT -6
It definitely takes a special person to genuinely be enthusiastic about special teams. We've got a guy who LOVES specials. He coordinates everything, watches the film on other teams' specials, essentially puts in the same amount of effort and detail into specials that I put into defense and our OC puts into offense. He's not going anywhere! We make sure he's always happy on staff.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 30, 2014 10:57:59 GMT -6
Thursday Practice!
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Post by fantom on Jan 30, 2014 10:59:54 GMT -6
It takes a special person to enjoy the aspects of coaching special teams. It is important and involves a lot of detail. There is a reason why 90% of special-teams coaches at the NFL or NCAA level are drunk lunatics..... Other than two ST coaches, who could have a ten minute conversation before a game about which way the wind is blowing?
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 30, 2014 11:00:08 GMT -6
I hate offensive team/inside run period - where you are running the opponents defense and they give you cards, with a particular coverage or blitz to run and they have a big play every time...yet it never seems to work like that on friday...perhaps the offense should give the other team the cards so they line up in the right front and run the right blitz or coverage for our play call OR even better is when one of the defensive kids reads the play correctly and makes the play and you get the "THEY DON'T DO THAT" response from every offensive coach. More than anything else this just pi$$es me off to an unhealthy level. This but flipped. Drives me nuts. Worked with a DC that scripted everything and magically his blitz or stunt always lit up the scout play. God forbid you went off the script it would be like the Spanish Inquisition. I would always say something about how we aren't always going to have the right call for their call, heck Techmo Bowl had 4 options and you still got it wrong sometimes. I'm all for scripting, do it myself, and sometimes I prefer to see a specific coverage at a specific time but I'm not going to tell you every blitz, coverage, twist, etc. to do on every play because I don't know. The greatest part about all of it was the LB coach would run his mouth nonstop during team about stuffing scout team plays when they had the scripted defense called and would lose it when you went off script...or better yet when you were on script and a LB screwed up, somehow it was always the guard or tackles fault for not giving him the right read.
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Post by coachphillip on Jan 30, 2014 11:29:02 GMT -6
Same reason why we run base at practice. I also let my OC call plays from a list and then just signal the play he's running at us so I can see it on my wristband. We do D&D and he's actually setting plays up the same way the opposing coach would.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 30, 2014 11:56:44 GMT -6
That's what makes it (and the people who play and coach) different-tougher-special. There's nothing about doing boring, routine things that makes football different or tougher than any other sport. Every sport has boring things they do that are tough.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 30, 2014 11:59:06 GMT -6
If you have 90 kids, why are your lineman on special teams? We have made a commitment (and we only have 50 kids on varsity) that no lineman will play special teams outside of PAT/FG teams. Not on punt, KOR, KO, Punt return. Get fast guys on there. And if the other team is playing their lineman on special teams we expect our fast kids to run past them. Fat kids suck in space and a lot of special teams are played in space. Plus it gives the lineman 15 more minutes of indy time. Let me guess. You were a "skill" guy.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 30, 2014 12:04:49 GMT -6
RUT ROH!!!
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 30, 2014 12:06:06 GMT -6
I hate punt team. I don't enjoy many of the specialties, but I really hate this one. One, we don't do it much. I think through 9 regular season games we only punted 8 times. And 5 of those were at the end of games where our JV didn't pick up a first down. Two, I don't like putting the thought in our kids' heads that they're going to fail. My weekly advice to the punt team is "Don't get on the {censored} field".
Next year may be the year we take the leap to a full on no punt team.
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 30, 2014 12:07:04 GMT -6
Oh no...those are the words of a true Oline coach right there. Oline guys always coddle their guys when it comes to running anywhere other than the all you can eat buffet. I run the piss out of my linemen. Our varsity linemen are usually in as good, if not better cardio shape than some of our "skilled" players.
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Post by fantom on Jan 30, 2014 12:15:27 GMT -6
Oh no...those are the words of a true Oline coach right there. Oline guys always coddle their guys when it comes to running anywhere other than the all you can eat buffet. It's not coddling. Why would I want an offensive tackle to try to cover kicks?
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 30, 2014 12:16:59 GMT -6
Oh no...those are the words of a true Oline coach right there. Oline guys always coddle their guys when it comes to running anywhere other than the all you can eat buffet. It's not coddling. Why would I want an offensive tackle to try to cover kicks? In our case, they're probably the best option you have.
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Post by fingerz42 on Jan 30, 2014 12:25:01 GMT -6
Team defense at the small school I'm at is painful just because of how pitiful our backups are. We can't give the defense any sort of look and our defense gets big headed. Drives me insane and then I spend time trying to manipulate it so we can give some sort of true look to our defense.
Specials time is always a bore. I understand it's importance and I know its the quickest way for big plays but jesus is it boring to teach and rep.
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Post by pvogel on Jan 30, 2014 12:26:13 GMT -6
I've concluded that the #1 thing you have to accept as a special teams coordinator is that in your opinion you will NEVER have enough time.
I always want more time. And I know i'm the only one who enjoys it. All the other coaches just stand around and complain how boring it is.
At the beginning of the year we did special teams circuits. Each coach had a station- 4 stations, 6 minutes each or whatever. I was monitoring time and wouldn't ya know - 3 minutes through each period someone is complaining about the time and asking if its time to switch yet... lol
The 15 minutes you use is always called "25 minutes".
Such is the life.
As for the wind discussion - I would have that 10 minute pregame convo with our kicker. We would discuss how it altered our strategy and how we would kick into the wind and how we would kick with it to our backs.
Definitely different characters.
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Post by pvogel on Jan 30, 2014 12:30:06 GMT -6
And yes, any kind of scout team at a small school sucks. It sucks even more when my poor excuse for athleticism is enough to burn them on 9 routes or sweeps
And i'll echo any kind of stand around period. Miserable.
And yes, regardless of what side of the ball its on I can't stand the "perfect play vs. scout" situation
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Post by larrymoe on Jan 30, 2014 12:54:23 GMT -6
There's nothing about doing boring, routine things that makes football different or tougher than any other sport. Every sport has boring things they do that are tough.
Taking batting practice is as tough as hitting a sled?
Three-Man Weave is as tough as Punt or KO coverage?
Soccer scrimmage is as tough as Half line or Inside Drill?
Why do football plays wear pads?
To be a good football player (and ultimately a successful football team) you have to take pride in doing difficult things well.
Fielding ground balls, shooting lay-ups, and practicing Corner Kicks aren't difficult.
Trying to physically move another human being who doesn't want to be is.
Batting practice? No. Three Man Weave? Maybe. Depends on how hard you're running it or how crappy you cover kicks. Soccer scrimmage? Maybe. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking EVERY practice is as hard as your hardest practice. I've ran tennis practices that were harder than some of our day to day practices. Why do football players wear pads? Lawsuits and to give them a sense of "safety". Pads certainly don't stop kids from getting injured. Wrestling is probably the toughest sport that HS kids can engage in and they go out in about a millimeter thick of spandex. Fielding ground balls, shooting lay ups and practicing corner kicks aren't difficult, you're right. Neither is 7on7, or working on veer steps, or option pitch drill, or watching film or any number of football activities. Maybe at some point we could move past the knuckle dragging, "we're tougher" than your sport crap and realize that there really isn't anything that makes football any "better" than any other sport other than your personal preferences.
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Post by fantom on Jan 30, 2014 13:11:02 GMT -6
It's not coddling. Why would I want an offensive tackle to try to cover kicks? LOL. IDK. I was just bored. Our oline does not do anything but than play Oline...and that includes pass protection, they ain't doin that chit either. But you avoided the question nicely. What question?
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Post by mrjvi on Jan 30, 2014 15:36:20 GMT -6
I also agree that I hate pre-game. That's why ours is 15 minutes. We go out 20 minutes before kick-off. Lot's of good "hates" mentioned. I never realized how many I agree with.
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Post by Yash on Jan 30, 2014 16:27:09 GMT -6
Oh no...those are the words of a true Oline coach right there. Oline guys always coddle their guys when it comes to running anywhere other than the all you can eat buffet. Actually I'm a qb coach. I just know that linemen suck on most specials. Instead of having them stand around go play under the chutes and be useful. I'm not against lineman running, I'm gassing lineman running down field and flopping around trying to tackle fast kids
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Post by fantom on Jan 30, 2014 16:28:20 GMT -6
Never said "better," that like beauty is in the eye of the beholder (or in this case, kids).
That is as you say, "personal preferences."
But the physical, combative nature of football as well as the necessity for coordinated Team effort of eleven players at once makes it different, and thus more difficult.
Hey guys, don't hijack my thread OK?
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Post by blb on Jan 30, 2014 16:42:26 GMT -6
Hey guys, don't hijack my thread OK?
You got it, fantom.
My bad, as the kids used to say.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 31, 2014 7:24:55 GMT -6
Not that I do not like it per say as we don't even do it but the concept of "pre-practice" has always baffled me. I always have been under the mind that if your doing a pre-practice just start earlier. We tell our kids to get out early to work on kicking, snapping, all that stuff but it's not organized or run with coaches. I just always chuckle when people talk about how we only practice an hour and a half a day but we have a 20 min pre-practice. Sure others will disagree but it's just a concept I don't get with the way we do stuff.
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Post by smfreeman on Jan 31, 2014 8:24:06 GMT -6
Nothing more boring than being an offensive Scout Team coach during the defensive formation recognition period on a Monday install. I don't mean break the huddle quick and make checks and adjustments but the one where you line up in a pro formation and talk about the checks we are going to make and where they are going with the ball.
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Post by dodson10 on Jan 31, 2014 10:46:09 GMT -6
It's already been said, but when either side of the ball says "They don't line up like that", or "They won't do that". I think it's great to prepare for the worst case scenario as well as the best. If it always works in practice and it doesn't on Friday night maybe someone will see a correlation.
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Post by fantom on Jan 31, 2014 12:17:22 GMT -6
Not that I do not like it per say as we don't even do it but the concept of "pre-practice" has always baffled me. I always have been under the mind that if your doing a pre-practice just start earlier. We tell our kids to get out early to work on kicking, snapping, all that stuff but it's not organized or run with coaches. I just always chuckle when people talk about how we only practice an hour and a half a day but we have a 20 min pre-practice. Sure others will disagree but it's just a concept I don't get with the way we do stuff. Amen. God I hate pre-practice too. Last year was the first year I ever coached with a HC who did pre-practice. As a young coach I went to clinics and heard college coaches talk about their ninety minute practices and wondered how they did it. Then I visited practices and found out: they didn't count pre-practice, stretching, special teams, and conditioning as part of practice. To me, if you have to be there and you're practicing, that's practice.
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Post by wingtol on Jan 31, 2014 12:31:32 GMT -6
Amen. God I hate pre-practice too. Last year was the first year I ever coached with a HC who did pre-practice. As a young coach I went to clinics and heard college coaches talk about their ninety minute practices and wondered how they did it. Then I visited practices and found out: they didn't count pre-practice, stretching, special teams, and conditioning as part of practice. To me, if you have to be there and you're practicing, that's practice. Don't quote me on this but I am sure pre-practice was originally a way for colleges to get around their time limit on practice time. "It's not practice, it's pre-practice and it's not mandatory" But I am sure it was mandatory. I agree if I am coaching players on a filed, it's practice no matter what time it is!
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