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Post by s73 on Jul 18, 2017 12:11:22 GMT -6
It's probably the most rewarding thing in education (yeah, coaching is education) when you have somebody have the light go on. A lot of kids can manage to navigate ideas by memorizing or recognizing things they might have seen before. But when a kid REALLY gets how things fit together and why, it's a joy. I would go so far as to argue that FB IQ can even surpass physical ability AT TIMES. How many times have we all had a stud that we said, if this kid could just "get it" he'd be awesome? Not saying some smart slow wussy kid can play, but I will take the lesser kid who's "in the ballpark" & mentally sharp over the athletic wild man every single time. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jul 17, 2017 21:31:50 GMT -6
We do not post a written depth chart.
With that said, our depth chart is demonstrated daily in practice. In the summer, we NEVER call a 1st group. We always say "give me an offense out here" meaning it's up to them to be responsible for their reps. You'd be surprised how fast the team develops it's own pecking order.
Then on the 1st day of the season we call out who we feel has proven themselves to be the 1's so far. Usually the kids have it 90% correct already.
Then we kind of tell the rest of the team they are battling for that spot. Small school so not many more than 2 deep per spot.
We also tell them that it can change but its' up to them to change it. GIVE US A REASON to play you.
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Post by s73 on Jul 14, 2017 14:24:39 GMT -6
We used to set the starters on both side of the ball without worrying about who was going both ways. Then we would look at who was still on the board who could possibly relieve a two-way starter. I'm with this. We are a small school so we are looking at getting all the best kids on the field on both sides of the ball. Then we carefully evaluate if someone can replace them on one side of the ball. One year had to play 9 kids both ways b/c the junior class was awful. The best we've ever done is about 5 kids both ways. This year we're going to be looking at 7 kids both ways but we do have some rotational relief for 4 of them so that should help quite a bit. FOR US it comes down to do we trust the lesser kid b/c we are trying to keep more talented kids fresh? If not, then we play the best & demand mental toughness. Our kids are used to it. Not all kids / schools can do that. It's a mindset. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jul 12, 2017 12:00:18 GMT -6
We work the whole program together when we warm up and do fundamentals.
Then we separate. I give the frosh coaches a practice schedule everyday & from their they adjust at their own pace. If you have the right guy(s) their, usually as the season progresses they start to resemble more and more of what we expect.
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Post by s73 on Jul 7, 2017 20:41:04 GMT -6
Unfortunately, had some stuff in my professional career I was a witness to that I had to report that evolved into an arrest. The signs I saw were lots of alone time in our office with a female student, walking in & feeling an awkward silence between the student and teacher, lots of flirtation, mentioning a student several times in a more personal context (good kid, pretty girl, etc, repeatedly).
Rides home under the guise of " I don't care if we're not supposed to gives kids rides home if its raining or dark I'm going to do it" (trying to sound like a hero, but really ulterior motives).
Sharing stories of their own questionable behavior to feel their colleagues out for their reactions & minimizing that behavior when the colleagues give them the old WTF face.
It's not too hard to see. Generally, if something seems out of place it probably is.
He!!, when I was in 8th grade my teacher (and unfortunately FB coach) seemed really flirty w/ all the pretty girls in our class. I was walking home 1 day & saw him pull up beside her & offer her a ride home. She didn't take it, but I can remember right then as a 13 year old thinking this guys got issues.
Sure enough he was arrested just a few years later. If a 13 year old can figure it out it's not too tough if you are really willing to be honest with yourself.
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Post by s73 on Jul 5, 2017 8:48:14 GMT -6
IMO it comes down to experience and philosophy. If you have a young guy then you will probably need to be more involved and groom him to match your philosophy.
If on the other hand you have an experienced guy who already has achieved solid results then I think you get out of the way some.
For me, my DC started out as a youngster but was a hard worker. He understood defense well, but he did not know much about offense. He was a former college LB who knew the inside and outs of his position but never really had to put the "whole picture" together. So he needed help with that. For example, he understood open & closed windows on a run but needed to see where the other positions fit into the run game.
It's now been 6 years and he has much more reign than in the past. We still discuss game plan but we partner much more than mentor/ pupil. He has developed a lot of ownership of our defense and acts as the lead voice for defense to our team now.
In the off season we review and make changes together.
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Post by s73 on Jul 4, 2017 10:26:07 GMT -6
Phrases that sound like coaching but really contribute nothing: "watch the option!" "watch the fake!" "watch the pass!" What, watch them go all the way into the endzone? Hate to admit it but SUPER GUILTY. One time we were winning a game by 4 points and the other team was threatening w/ about 1 minute left & I yelled watch the screen, watch the trap, watch the boot.....ah.....just...just....watch everything! The line judge started laughing his a$$ off at me. It actually broke the tension b/c I realized what a jacka$$ I sounded like. Fortunately we went on to win. Pretty sure my reminders did not play a big role.
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Post by s73 on Jul 4, 2017 8:50:30 GMT -6
I have no problem with "your playing soft" & no problem w/ "what the #$%^ are you doing?"
Maybe not that exact word but sometimes after drilling a concept very thoroughly we go to team & the only thing that comes to mind is......."what the $%^& are you doing?'
What parallel universe are you in that you gathered to do "this" from what we just worked on?
Nope, have seen some strange stuff. Sometime you just have to say "what the $%^& are you doing?"
JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jul 1, 2017 18:52:43 GMT -6
Yes, hip. All pads except knees.
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Post by s73 on Jul 1, 2017 18:37:34 GMT -6
Like I said in my earlier post, we have not seen any strong correlation either way. And it gets the kids on the field quicker and they seem to appreciate not always having to wear all the gear which tends to improve morale. But, I cannot say it helps us or hurts us either way based on the past 7 seasons. Coach, while I understand what you are saying here regarding their moral and the dressing time, I have to ask how will you and the staff feel (I don't recall if you mentioned if you were the HC or not) if you happen to lose a kid to a hip pointer, or a thigh contusion, or a strawberry or whatever that may have been prevented from wearing pants and the accompanying pads? I understand what you are saying. They wear girdles with the accompanying thigh pads & we work REALLY hard to keep guys off the ground. Small school with not many kids & usually multiple (7 or so) guys playing both ways. So we really have to be careful about how we practice. IN OUR SITUATION, we feel we perform better on Fridays when our kids feel fresh and healthy. Again, may or may not be the case but our results are usually either what we expected or occasionally a hair better. PS - Our girdles have thigh & tail pads attached.
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Post by s73 on Jul 1, 2017 10:09:36 GMT -6
While I understand the thought processes given here by those supporting less than a full padded practice, I don't understand the logic. klaby says So I have to ask, is the objective here to have the kids practice in a more timid manner? Don't wear hip/tail/thigh pads so that the players practice slower? I guess I don't see the connection between what you wear, and how you practice. Why does wearing full gear seem to mean players must be taken to the ground? Seems much more logical to me that if the desired result is a healthier team, the best way to achieve that would be to wear protective gear and teach kids how to properly practice at your desired tempo/desired finishing method (take down, thud, tag, etc). Why risk increased chances banging knees, hip pointers, thigh contusions, bruised tailbones etc? s73 mentions that practicing in uppers only is "throwing the kids a bone" because for whatever reason, it is easier on the kids. Or maybe more accurately the kids perceive it to be easier. Doesn't the logic then follow that you are setting up the game situation to be more difficult? While temperature might be one factor, I do believe another is having to move your body with the added burden of the padding. Is introducing that on game night a best practice? Like I said in my earlier post, we have not seen any strong correlation either way. And it gets the kids on the field quicker and they seem to appreciate not always having to wear all the gear which tends to improve morale. But, I cannot say it helps us or hurts us either way based on the past 7 seasons.
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Post by s73 on Jun 30, 2017 14:57:15 GMT -6
Considering going no full padded practices after week one. Shells and nothing to the ground. Thoughts or experiences? Thanks! Take this for what it's worth but we usually do this after week 3. Why? really 2 reasons. First, FB is a grind like no other & it seems to be a bone we throw the kids that they really appreciate. Less they have to put on, take off and a bit cooler. Second, I feel they tend to stay healthier b/c we don't want them going to the ground since we a re a small school and usual struggle with numbers. Is it good or bad in terms of performance? I have not seen any correlation. In the last 6 years we've had 3 teams make the play offs & 3 teams not. I felt that 1 team over achieved in that time and the rest ended up about like we thought. All I know is it's something small that SEEMS to boost morale & doesn't SEEM to hurt our success so to me it's a small & easy gift. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jun 28, 2017 11:44:22 GMT -6
I like to be passionate about what I am doing and sometimes that means that I get loud. All of the players know that I truly care for them and I am trying to make them better. That doesn't mean that I put them down and ridicule them. I am probably harder on the "star" players than I am on the "JV" guy. Be honest with them at all times and sometimes we don't like what we hear but that is life. Nobody is perfect. At the end of the day it is all about loving them up. We all have days where we aren't at our best. I agree with this. I would also add that what's good for the goose.....I have definitely 3-4 practices every season where I just had a bad day & blew with a kid or 2. Out of frustration or whatever, I was not constructive but more, how shall I say....a d!ck. I believe we have to own up to that to. If you do that IMO it goes a long way with kids. It's not easy to do but I have pulled kids aside either after practice or the next day and apologized if I thought I went to far. I think that's HUGE in modeling kids taking responsibility for their behavior. I only bring this up b/c I have occasionally worked w/ guys who no matter what the kid is at fault....even when he isn't. I think screwing up as a coach is part of the deal, but owning it on our end gives us the RIGHT to make them own up on theirs as well. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jun 28, 2017 10:25:39 GMT -6
Why is this such a common phrase coaches say these days? And what's the reasoning behind it? So you're saying you could yell at kids 15 years ago but not today? I refuse to believe that kids were tougher back then. In general, I yell... A lot. I yell when I'm happy. I yell when I'm angry. I yell when I'm indifferent. Heck, I yell. I yell when I'm teaching class. I yell when I'm getting it on with my wife. I yell when the water's too cold. I also use curse words. Now I never use curse words directed at the kids (name calling). But yes, when a kid does something poorly after he's been corrected 10 times, I will yell and I will likely use some colorful language while doing so. When I don't yell, the kids look at me like something's wrong or they think I'm being sarcastic. It's just not me. Now at the same time, when Johnny makes a good catch, I yell then too. And I probably use some colorful language to describe that great catch. The one thing that I have done in the past and am trying to do even more now is when I yell or correct a player I aways try to remember to tell them personally or the team in general...do you think us as coaches are correcting you because we want to hurt you or help you? I have yet to hear anyone say "to hurt me/us". They may be thinking it but they don't say it. And....if they are thinking it then all the more reason to clarify why we as coaches said what we said or reacted the way we did. Yesterday was working w/ a couple of soph. DL who are just awful. One of them has some potential but is lazy. I really started getting on them yesterday for not applying what we work on. Well, eventually they started improving their performance and then I praised them like crazy. I could tell that the praise and the improved results changed their demeanor towards me and the practice in general as the day finished. In the beginning I could tell they thought I was just being grumpy but by the end the light started to come on some. And just for the record, I didn't praise them like crazy to "nurse their wounds" I was genuinely surprised/pleased that they improved greatly over a series of plays. That's the other thing that I think is HUGE., being GENUINE. IMO kids can tell the difference between a cranky bully and genuine passion. Genuine passion has a tone of "we're in this together" bullying on the other hand is just that. JMO of course.
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Post by s73 on Jun 22, 2017 21:33:43 GMT -6
I had a kid during the summer get out of his car, take one more puff on his cigarette, put it out on the curb, and stepped right into stretching lines. Was his name Jack Lambert?
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Post by s73 on Jun 22, 2017 14:17:10 GMT -6
Coached a kid who would cut out half his mouth piece and put grizzly wintergreen on that side. I thought the name of this thread was weird kids not AWESOME! If he graduates to Kodiak he's a HOFer.
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Post by s73 on Jun 15, 2017 16:16:03 GMT -6
I completely feel the same way. I will definitely take dudes who are willing to listen regardless of experience. The most experienced rower in the world is no good to the boat if his oar is going a different direction. Had a irritating encounter last weekend. Got invited to a former players graduation. Saw another former player 5 years removed there. His younger brother is a current player of mine. Two way starter on our play off team as a junior. Our senior class was 0-9 as sophs & we made the play offs with them last season. Was very proud of our program. Long story short....this kid coached 2 years of middle school & proceeded to tell me how he wasnt biased at all....but....he felt he had several ideas on how we could better "utilize" his brother. I cut him off immediately & told him flat out that he was irritating me. He apologized & said "I dont want to be that guy coach". I said too late. He was on a conference championship team for us & 2 years of coaching MS already has his head this big? I will definitely take a team player who wants to learn over that garbage. Would never hire him. And that hurts to say about one of my former players but it is what it is I guess. No thoughts of the bigger picture only what is best for his brother who is an above average hs football player. Btw, we are a flexbone team & all his suggestions revolved around implementing his slightly above average receiver brother in the passing game. Meanwhile my QB is a great runner & mediocre passer at best. Give me the team player coach & lets get back to the play offs! That kid is young and if a smart coach got ahold of him now he could maybe get him to understand the facts of life and how the coaching game really works. It would take somebody smart and that has credibility with him, maybe a former coach of his... hint, hint. Perhaps. But he is still in college quite a ways from here. So, probably won't be seeing him anytime soon. I think a smart coach that gets a hold of him needs to be his direct superior and lay it down for him. I hope that happens. I think he's passionate. Just young.
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Post by s73 on Jun 8, 2017 20:38:47 GMT -6
I guess simply put, my question is where do you find guys are EXTREMELY willing to learn? Are they molded or premade, you know what I mean? IME ? They are Pre-made. Takes some humility and gusto and not everybody has that. I mean, think about the number of guys who are coaching football in todays high school game (or any level for that matter) and then think about how many of them are considered really good for a consistently long time. I mean, I couldn't even guess the percentage of HS football coaches that are considered REALLY good, not even great mind you but good. But I would guess it's not a huge percentage. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Jun 7, 2017 23:00:19 GMT -6
IME, Developing coaches is CONSIDERABLY easier when you have a coach that wants to be developed. I don't mean this as a copout. I sincerely feel that those who want to learn whether it be in the classroom or on the field, players and /or coaches, will learn significantly more when they are interested in doing so. I am very fortunate in that I have some guys on staff interested in bettering themselves and they are willing to meet periodically to make that happen. And.....an added perk to this is when they are really interested in learning more, they tend to do some stuff on their own and bring it back to the table & then I find myself learning from them as well. This is very true, kinda like your students isn't it? I have been around too many coaches who think they will teach the game the same way they learned it. That's fine if you had great coaches, but if you didn't then that is a seriously dangerous foundation. I know I didn't play football under great coaches. They were great guys who were good motivators, but Xs and Os, strategy, technique, etc they were seriously lacking. I knew that to some degree at the time and know that even more now. My point is that I knew it. When I started coaching I didn't think I knew everything and had my eyes and ears open as I went to clinics and learned from many more coaches, books, videos, etc. We also struggle to get coaches where I'm at. Ones we get from outside the school have tended to be guys who are clueless to those intangibles (technique, strategy). All they know is plays and alignments. You get snippets of genius like, "You gotta TACKLE him!" or "We need to pound the ball! (when our biggest cat up front is 5'10 180)" or "Run this play....Run this play....Run this play." or "They're killing us running power because we're not in a 5-front!" My past three hires (and working on one more) have 3 things in common. First, they are teachers. Second, they are not incredibly football smart (two never played HS football, three never coached football before). Third, they have been EXTREMELY willing to learn (coming to meetings, watching videos I give, reading articles/books I give, going to clinics). So after all my rambling I return to s73 and say I would rather have guys who want to learn and grow over guys who may have a better reputation as a player or football mind that are stuck in their ways. I completely feel the same way. I will definitely take dudes who are willing to listen regardless of experience. The most experienced rower in the world is no good to the boat if his oar is going a different direction. Had a irritating encounter last weekend. Got invited to a former players graduation. Saw another former player 5 years removed there. His younger brother is a current player of mine. Two way starter on our play off team as a junior. Our senior class was 0-9 as sophs & we made the play offs with them last season. Was very proud of our program. Long story short....this kid coached 2 years of middle school & proceeded to tell me how he wasnt biased at all....but....he felt he had several ideas on how we could better "utilize" his brother. I cut him off immediately & told him flat out that he was irritating me. He apologized & said "I dont want to be that guy coach". I said too late. He was on a conference championship team for us & 2 years of coaching MS already has his head this big? I will definitely take a team player who wants to learn over that garbage. Would never hire him. And that hurts to say about one of my former players but it is what it is I guess. No thoughts of the bigger picture only what is best for his brother who is an above average hs football player. Btw, we are a flexbone team & all his suggestions revolved around implementing his slightly above average receiver brother in the passing game. Meanwhile my QB is a great runner & mediocre passer at best. Give me the team player coach & lets get back to the play offs!
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Post by s73 on Jun 2, 2017 9:47:02 GMT -6
IME,
Developing coaches is CONSIDERABLY easier when you have a coach that wants to be developed.
I don't mean this as a copout. I sincerely feel that those who want to learn whether it be in the classroom or on the field, players and /or coaches, will learn significantly more when they are interested in doing so.
I am very fortunate in that I have some guys on staff interested in bettering themselves and they are willing to meet periodically to make that happen. And.....an added perk to this is when they are really interested in learning more, they tend to do some stuff on their own and bring it back to the table & then I find myself learning from them as well.
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Post by s73 on May 17, 2017 17:48:00 GMT -6
I hate old coaches who gripe about "kids these days" Adjust to change and be optimistic and willing to learn. I've heard many a young coach in their 20's say the same thing not realizing that they act very similar when I have to have a conversation with them about not fulfilling all of their coaching duties. The reality is kids are asked to do more today then many of us ever were. Hence, we have to realize that even when many of them fall short of our requests they are still doing more then many of us did. JMO.
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Post by s73 on May 10, 2017 18:58:06 GMT -6
I will fully admit (and I knowingly admit I'm not sure it was the right thing to do but...it worked) that twice in my career I had 2 dads about 20 years apart who were so obnoxious that I threatened to sit their kid if they didn't cool it.
Once, I had a dad show up on my sideline at a school that didn't have a fence section off the visitors sideline. We were losing and next thing I know the dad is on my sideline b!itching and complaining. I told him to leave and he said "what are you gonna do tough guy, give me a detention?"
I said, "no I'll I just sit your kid until you leave".
He left and never bothered me again.
The other kid was probably a bit more controversial. I had a dad riding my @ss forever! We had a weak class of seniors and I started several juniors. The kicker? His kid was a junior who benefitted from the weaker class and got to play much more than he ordinarily would have.
Anyway, guy was obnoxious. Stood behind me in the stands and just yelled the whole season. Well, after 7 weeks I called the kid in the Monday after a tough loss and told the kid "you're a good dude & I don't want to do this but....if I hear 1 more word out of your dad I'm gonna sit you until he gives it a rest".
Kid went home & told dad & dad gave me this long delusional email that was a rant about all kinds of "technical" mistakes we were making etc.
He did not count on me calling him. He sounded like he literally sh!t his pants when i called him. I simply told him that he was out of line, I talked a couple circles around him about X's & O's (he complained about our pass cover, I asked him what cover we run & of course he couldn't answer) etc.
Well, phone call ended as positive as it could b/c he was a coward and cowards cave when they aren't yelling at the back of your head and I never heard another word from him the rest of the kids junior or senior year.
Again, not sure if it was right, but the guy was so obnoxious it literally became a distraction & I felt it needed to stop. So I called him out w/ his kid's playing time as well as calling him directly and it worked.
JME.
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Post by s73 on May 3, 2017 15:34:01 GMT -6
we use hudl assist..saves a BUNCH of time..If we have film in early I will send it out in the middle of the previous week Coach how long does it generally take hull assist to get your game back to you? Also, they seem to say that if your film has a mistake (missed the beginning or something like that) that they will send it back. Does this happen often? Or will they pretty much always break down what they can? Thanks.
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Post by s73 on Apr 29, 2017 14:20:28 GMT -6
All the previous points are well-taken. We are talking about 14-18 year old kids. Sometimes it takes longer for the light bulb to come for some than others. If Kid #1 never gets it - chooses not to be coachable and the best he can be - then go with #2 as long as he does. BUT - as fantom posted - everything equal, you play the best player. I agree on all points that generally the best kid plays BLB. I also agree that these are just kids & as a result, we have to maybe give them a bit longer leash. However, I am currently in a dean's position at my school and I have come to the overwhelming and undeniable conclusion that in many of these cases we aren't just fighting the kids but the parents who model, accept or promote this behavior at home (goes for the classroom as well). With that said, I find myself working with both kids until #2 gets good enough to start or until #1 matures into a more coachable athlete. IMO, no need to make a big decision anytime soon since the season is a long way off. I also double down on not explaining yourself again to #1 if you've already spoken to him about his behavior. JMO of course.
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Post by s73 on Apr 29, 2017 9:42:30 GMT -6
What message do you want the rest of the team to get out of this? Personally I'd go with #2 and explain why to the #1 kid. I'd remind both that the position will be reevaluated each week and that the best/hardest working kid is going to play. That being said, we're one of those strange old schools that huddles up between plays. We even send our play calls in with the WR/SE. So I would use those two as the guys that bring in the plays. That way I could communicate with both players every other play. I agree that he should work with #2. I disagree that he should explain himself to #1. Not to be a PITA, but I see coaches talking about explaining themselves to talented d-bags all the time like they somehow owe them something. I think you rotate both kids and let the chips fall where they may & if kid #1 has an issue then he can ask the questions. Sounds like OP has already spoken w/ him several times. What's more to say? JMO
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Post by s73 on Apr 29, 2017 9:35:50 GMT -6
Same age. Both will be juniors this coming season. Not directing this toward you, but IMO if he isn't even an upper classmen yet and he's pulling this $hit then I would say somewhere along the line his coaches whether it be BB or FB or whatever haven't handled him correctly. I can see some of tis coming from a senior stud maybe, but a sophomore? I'd definitely work the 2nd kid into a rotation and make this kid sweat. Sounds way too big for his britches IMO.
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Post by s73 on Apr 27, 2017 21:16:00 GMT -6
My DC is our throws coach. I don't coach track so I run weights for the rest. I was driving past on my way out and I saw half the throwers throwing & the other half shagging. They were using a curb in the parking lot as the toe board.
My point is, I think your guys aren't doing a great job more so that throwing for track is a bad thing.
JMO.
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Post by s73 on Apr 24, 2017 15:49:48 GMT -6
I understand this as I was one of those kids. Grew up in a single parent family and needed to earn my own spending money. HOWEVER, if a kid really WANTS to play FB he will make it work. I got a job where the hours were primarily evening hours so I would work after practice. Wasn't easy to go to work after practice until 10-11pm but I did it b/c no way I was giving up FB. So to me...if the kid really wants to make it work he will. I have a few kids who periodically have to leave practice a tad early and I can live with that. But for the most part, IME, kids who quit to work usually would PREFER working over playing FB. Which is certainly their choice. But you can make it work if you really want to. JMO. One of the most mentally tough young men I have coaches used to follow a schedule very close to the following: 5am - wakeup 5:30am - be at hardee's to make the morning biscuits 7:30am - be at school to finish/do homework from the night before 8:00am to 2:30pm - school 2:30pm to 3:00pm - football study hall 3:15pm to 5:30pm - practice 6:00pm to 11:00pm - back to work until close at hardee's after that I assume some homework and sleep, wake up the next day and repeat. This kid's family didn't have much, if anything. He was working to buy his football gear, his younger brother's (6th grader) football gear. I will also assume he was paying some of the bills at home. He would rarely have to leave a practice early to go to work, but if that happened, he would miss no more than 30 minutes of practice time. Last I heard from him he was going to a film school in texas. But....the most important question coach. He bring you any a 'dem biscuits? Love those kinda kids!
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Post by s73 on Apr 24, 2017 15:46:14 GMT -6
Why? How are those skill sets related? @cbcoach sounds like your assistant might have had the better idea... I know this wasn't presented to me as a question but I will answer. I think a good leader needs multiple points of perspective and as a result will benefit & become a better leader when he has had a chance to follow as well. JMO.
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Post by s73 on Apr 24, 2017 6:32:53 GMT -6
The "I have to work" angle is an interesting one in my mind. My senior year my brother and I got jobs during the summer and for football could only work one day, and my boss was a jerk about it but begrudgingly allowed it. I've heard kids say that they have to either work or play a sport and I've heard kids say that their boss won't budge and accommodate a 16-17 year old's schedule, but that's also what the kid is telling us. I know that some kids have to work, but I also know that some kids also just want extra money so in my opinion it's a hard one to have a definitive opinion on unless I know for sure all of the variables. I understand this as I was one of those kids. Grew up in a single parent family and needed to earn my own spending money. HOWEVER, if a kid really WANTS to play FB he will make it work. I got a job where the hours were primarily evening hours so I would work after practice. Wasn't easy to go to work after practice until 10-11pm but I did it b/c no way I was giving up FB. So to me...if the kid really wants to make it work he will. I have a few kids who periodically have to leave practice a tad early and I can live with that. But for the most part, IME, kids who quit to work usually would PREFER working over playing FB. Which is certainly their choice. But you can make it work if you really want to. JMO.
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