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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 27, 2017 11:57:56 GMT -6
I'm a big proponent of football players running track. I encourage several slow guys to go out and run hurdles or get into long jump because I think there is some very good training that can help a kid's athleticism. BUT, the big guys who throw shot and disc always seem to come back fat and out of shape. This isn't just a one school thing, I've seen it at multiple schools. I believe that event has a culture of laziness. I can't tell you how many times I walk past those practices and see 1 person throwing, 1 coach coaching the 1 person throwing, 1 person shagging the disc/shot, and a bunch of other fat bodies sitting around doing nothing. I'd love doing that too instead of going to the weightroom with the football team.
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Post by **** on Apr 27, 2017 12:12:42 GMT -6
Our OL/DL and Head S&C coach is our throwers coach. Only school I've ever seen where the throwers get a better workout than the runners. He will bring them into the weight room and have them lift/run after they're done throwing.
Side note... My all conference FS tore his ACL running hurdles a few days ago. Good times....
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Post by aceback76 on Apr 27, 2017 12:26:58 GMT -6
I'm a big proponent of football players running track. I encourage several slow guys to go out and run hurdles or get into long jump because I think there is some very good training that can help a kid's athleticism. BUT, the big guys who throw shot and disc always seem to come back fat and out of shape. This isn't just a one school thing, I've seen it at multiple schools. I believe that event has a culture of laziness. I can't tell you how many times I walk past those practices and see 1 person throwing, 1 coach coaching the 1 person throwing, 1 person shagging the disc/shot, and a bunch of other fat bodies sitting around doing nothing. I'd love doing that too instead of going to the weightroom with the football team. They must stay with Football Weight Program DURING Track. They should ALSO have some form of a Running Program (after Track Practice)! We LOVED the 12 minute Endurance Run (which also helped keep the excess weight down): 12 Minute Run (H.S. Level):
Less than 1 mile = VERY POOR
1 to 1.25 Miles = POOR
1.25 to 1.50 Miles = FAIR
1.50 to 1.75 Miles = GOOD
1.75 & above = EXCELLENT
NOTE: Our O & D Line Coaches continued this all Summer (after lifting). ALL were Good or Excellent, & 85% were Excellent!
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Post by coachcb on Apr 27, 2017 12:42:02 GMT -6
I'm a big proponent of football players running track. I encourage several slow guys to go out and run hurdles or get into long jump because I think there is some very good training that can help a kid's athleticism. BUT, the big guys who throw shot and disc always seem to come back fat and out of shape. This isn't just a one school thing, I've seen it at multiple schools. I believe that event has a culture of laziness. I can't tell you how many times I walk past those practices and see 1 person throwing, 1 coach coaching the 1 person throwing, 1 person shagging the disc/shot, and a bunch of other fat bodies sitting around doing nothing. I'd love doing that too instead of going to the weightroom with the football team. Lol.. I have coached shot and disc for years and we condition twice per week in the mix of the season. We lift twice a week and conditioning twice per week in the pre-season. Here's two unfortunate facts about throwers: 1. All of the fat kids decide they're going to be throwers but they fail to realize that you have to be quick and coordinated to throw well. For example, I have a severely over-weight freshman out this year who thought he was going to be an all-state shot-putter because he muscled the shot out there in junior high. But, he's too heavy and weak to glide effectively through the ring and he's nowhere near coordinated enough to spin with the shot. He's terrible at discus. 2. The throws are technical.. VERY technical. There's a lot of moving parts that need to come into place for someone to throw well. As such, it takes a ton of practice time and drilling to get it right. So, as a throws coach, I have to find a balance between keeping the kids in shape and having them throw well. Conditioning every single day takes away from time we need in the ring and it detracts from the kids' ability to throw well because their coordination goes to crap when they're worn down. 3. Only the most organized track coaches establish a matrix that keeps all of the throwers busy. You need three throws in a big school coaches; one for shot, one for disc and one for javelin. That's the only way to keep the downtime to a minimum. |
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Post by blackknight on Apr 27, 2017 13:35:06 GMT -6
I was a head coach for 23 years. We took over the track program about 5 years into that period. My head JV coach became the head track coach and I became the throws coach. I took great pride in the development of our throwers as athletes and throwers. In most years we dominated the throws at both the varsity and JV levels. I believe we also improved their athletic ability at the same time. I really think that there is great carryover for linemen if taught correctly.
We worked on hip flexibility, jumped rope every day, ran stairs, did short sprint work, flipped tires, etc. All of which helped them throw and be better linemen.
Lastly, it was great seeing them compete. They won points, medals, etc. Big smiles on their faces.
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Post by mrjvi on Apr 27, 2017 19:04:31 GMT -6
I was the head track coach or the throwing coach for almost all of my 35 years as a football coach. I had a huge %age of my linemen throwing with many making sectional and state competitions. I think it is a vital connection. My throwers made more gains during track season than at any other time. I need to make the connection at my new school. Don't want to be a head coach in track again but might have no choice.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Apr 27, 2017 19:11:44 GMT -6
Well I wish you guys were coaching the throwers over at my place.
Even track and field as a whole can be quite a pain. I think they get quality work in but the culture of the sport is to hang out with chicks and socialize.
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Post by s73 on Apr 27, 2017 21:16:00 GMT -6
My DC is our throws coach. I don't coach track so I run weights for the rest. I was driving past on my way out and I saw half the throwers throwing & the other half shagging. They were using a curb in the parking lot as the toe board.
My point is, I think your guys aren't doing a great job more so that throwing for track is a bad thing.
JMO.
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Post by 50slantstrong on Apr 27, 2017 21:55:36 GMT -6
Like any other sport, it boils down to the quality of coaching the kids are getting in that other sport. I know the throwers coach where I coach now does gross motor movements and explosive lifts with dynamic stretching to prep his throwers. When they come back to spring football after track is over, they're ready to snap necks and cash checks on the football field. At the same time, the last school I coached at had a thrower (and sprinter) coach who sat in the corner of the weight room and played on his phone while his athletes were horsing around. And when the season was over, the football players came to us looking like they just got done pledging at Delta Tau Chi
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Post by adawg2302 on Apr 28, 2017 10:40:49 GMT -6
I know a few coaches in my area whose T & F throwing practices consist of 3 pt stances and get-offs as conditioning.
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Post by rosey65 on Apr 28, 2017 11:00:44 GMT -6
Most of our skill kids run track. They dont get the gains in the weight room, but the speed and conditioning is noticeable. They are supposed to get their lifting done after track. They do, but...whatever...
The OL used to go throw, because it was an unsupervised time to get out of football workouts. Last year, I went to track as the throwers coach. Most of the OL came with me. We worked track practice around the S&C we did for football. It was a great system.
-then our track coaches said they didnt want me back. I encouraged the OL to still throw, they were again unsupervised, and after a few weeks they all trickled away from track and back to football. Our track program is dreadfully run...
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Apr 28, 2017 11:35:26 GMT -6
I'm a big proponent of football players running track. I encourage several slow guys to go out and run hurdles or get into long jump because I think there is some very good training that can help a kid's athleticism. BUT, the big guys who throw shot and disc always seem to come back fat and out of shape. This isn't just a one school thing, I've seen it at multiple schools. I believe that event has a culture of laziness. I can't tell you how many times I walk past those practices and see 1 person throwing, 1 coach coaching the 1 person throwing, 1 person shagging the disc/shot, and a bunch of other fat bodies sitting around doing nothing. I'd love doing that too instead of going to the weightroom with the football team. Our throwers always have lifted then went and threw, usually after a mile of in and outs on the track. |
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Apr 28, 2017 11:35:57 GMT -6
And our runners I had lift (modified a little) and then we went and ran
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