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Post by trojan83 on Jul 12, 2017 7:01:26 GMT -6
Does anyone combine practice with their Freshman? Our middle school system isn't preparing these kids for us at all (we get kids from 6 middle schools and most are poorly coached) and we are thinking about getting a jump coaching wise with these young kids. Any ideas?
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Post by rsmith627 on Jul 12, 2017 7:35:38 GMT -6
Depending on your staffing arrangement one school I was at had an offensive staff and a defensive staff.
If we had the varsity kids on O the freshman kids would be down working D with our varsity coaches. Second half of practice we would switch.
Allowed us to keep our staff a little bit smaller too, in terms of not having a separate frosh staff and such. Worked alright for us and is one of many possibilities.
What was really cool is I would get to work with the same kids for 4 years.
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Post by carookie on Jul 12, 2017 9:46:31 GMT -6
I think it depends on the size of your school. I was at a small school that had on avg 35 players in the whole system during any given season. We had a V and JV team, and they all practiced together; our varsity backup was basically our JV team.
Was this ideal? No, but it was dictated to us due to numbers and available coaches. If you have a large enough program and the available coaches then separate your freshman completely and dictate to your frosh coaches what and how to do.
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Post by hunhdisciple on Jul 12, 2017 10:11:24 GMT -6
I think the summer is your best bet for the most impact. I know places that will have their 10-12 grade practice at a certain time, and then have a 20th grade practice before or after. It's a less intense practice, a lot of teaching and walking through things. Then usually 2 weeks later, they combine them.
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Post by rudyrude9 on Jul 12, 2017 10:15:35 GMT -6
We did it at a school with enrollment of around 815. Had around 110 kids 9-12. We full 2 platooned and it was awesome. Every coach is now a varsity position coach. 3 would also do the Freshman game. And another 2 would do the JV game.
Its a pretty simple model with those numbers. Similar to a college roster with 100 players.
Best part was working with the young guys and knowing that they were being coached well.
When we went in to group/team type settings our JV/FR groups would split off from the 1's and 2's.
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Post by carookie on Jul 12, 2017 11:37:39 GMT -6
We did it at a school with enrollment of around 815. Had around 110 kids 9-12. We full 2 platooned and it was awesome. Every coach is now a varsity position coach. 3 would also do the Freshman game. And another 2 would do the JV game. Its a pretty simple model with those numbers. Similar to a college roster with 100 players. Best part was working with the young guys and knowing that they were being coached well. When we went in to group/team type settings our JV/FR groups would split off from the 1's and 2's. Did you feel that you had to adjust your indy time period to better suit one group or the other (at least early on)? As I wrote above, I have done this before out of necessity, but found that there were some techniques my older players were better ready to work on in an individual setting that my youngers were not quite ready for. FWIW I found myself aiming my spring and early summer work to the needs of the younger and newer players, while the later summer and in season work was to improve the skills of the younger players. Also, when it came down to reps in indy time it was significantly in favor of the older kids. If I had the numbers I would have much rather had another coach do the drills I dictated for the younger players, and have them focus on more rudimentary tasks until they perfected them. |
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Post by klaby on Jul 12, 2017 11:42:03 GMT -6
Yes we do for the 1st couple of weeks during install. That way they get varsity coaching, everyone gets the same coaching, everyone on the same page.
But when you go live, its frosh on frosh
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Post by s73 on Jul 12, 2017 12:00:18 GMT -6
We work the whole program together when we warm up and do fundamentals.
Then we separate. I give the frosh coaches a practice schedule everyday & from their they adjust at their own pace. If you have the right guy(s) their, usually as the season progresses they start to resemble more and more of what we expect.
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Post by trojan83 on Jul 14, 2017 7:00:38 GMT -6
We did it at a school with enrollment of around 815. Had around 110 kids 9-12. We full 2 platooned and it was awesome. Every coach is now a varsity position coach. 3 would also do the Freshman game. And another 2 would do the JV game. Its a pretty simple model with those numbers. Similar to a college roster with 100 players. Best part was working with the young guys and knowing that they were being coached well. When we went in to group/team type settings our JV/FR groups would split off from the 1's and 2's. This sounds about identical to the situation we are in. I just want those kids to be coached by all of us for 4 years. Plus I like the idea of increasing your position coaches! |
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Post by peacock1915 on Jul 14, 2017 9:24:59 GMT -6
We practice all together. We do spring with our upcoming freshman by themselves and use that to decide we're they need to be. Then once the season starts we will have about 130 kids at practice each day. They all go through same Indy stuff, we will do a brief inside period with them in between two varsity inside periods. We will also go 11 on 11 during some special teams times. So if we are doing PAT and Punt for 10 minutes they will be with the OL and DL Coach for some of that time running our O vs our D. Also dressed just freshman out on our Thursday walk through and they would do about 10-15 minutes of group and then 20 minutes of team. Was kinda crazy getting used to last year (1st year doing it) but once we got kinks ironed out went pretty well. Kids ended year with more knowledge of their position then when we had them separate with only 3 coaches and playing both sides of the ball.
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Post by rudyrude9 on Jul 14, 2017 10:14:55 GMT -6
We did it at a school with enrollment of around 815. Had around 110 kids 9-12. We full 2 platooned and it was awesome. Every coach is now a varsity position coach. 3 would also do the Freshman game. And another 2 would do the JV game. Its a pretty simple model with those numbers. Similar to a college roster with 100 players. Best part was working with the young guys and knowing that they were being coached well. When we went in to group/team type settings our JV/FR groups would split off from the 1's and 2's. Did you feel that you had to adjust your indy time period to better suit one group or the other (at least early on)? As I wrote above, I have done this before out of necessity, but found that there were some techniques my older players were better ready to work on in an individual setting that my youngers were not quite ready for. FWIW I found myself aiming my spring and early summer work to the needs of the younger and newer players, while the later summer and in season work was to improve the skills of the younger players. Also, when it came down to reps in indy time it was significantly in favor of the older kids. If I had the numbers I would have much rather had another coach do the drills I dictated for the younger players, and have them focus on more rudimentary tasks until they perfected them. For sure. Once the games start I felt like I was coaching the younger kids less during indy as we got more specific with the older kids.
Early during camp though I feel you get to set a solid foundation for the younger groups.
The younger groups would get more specific coaching during their group and team times from the lower level coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 3:47:33 GMT -6
We toyed with the idea, but the HC made a great point saying there was no way they were going to get reps
They'd wind up holding bags, and that was about it .
In our program, the freshman team is the intro for the next 3 years therefore it takes too much time to lay the groundwork for what they will be doing .
Therefore freshman practice on their own separate from the varsity team
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Post by tippecanoe41 on Jul 20, 2017 20:45:54 GMT -6
If I assume correctly that you must have quite a few freshmen out playing football each year (since you are combining 6 middle schools) I'd have a freshmen team. Flat out. We've done it with as few as 16-18 kids in the past. They had a coach or two and they were the freshmen team. They might do some individual drills that didn't involve huge collisions but they did as much as possible with just their class. We've found it helps to not get a kid killed and start thinking football sucks, and also it keeps them together and having that feeling of solidarity and they say "WE" a lot more.
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