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Post by 19delta on Jan 29, 2018 20:24:40 GMT -6
Interesting but the resignation letter still doesn't explain why the administration wants to eliminate or downgrade the football program.
What's the real deal here? Was the program too expensive? HFC getting too big for his britches? Football players are doing bad things? Competition from other sports? Administrators just don't like football?
I have to wonder what the impetus for something like this is as these things normally don't happen in a vacuum.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 22, 2018 20:29:17 GMT -6
I agree that kids should be involved in as much as they want to in HS. But I can relate to the idea that some sports teams might have better cultures than others. This is one reason why I am intrigued by the idea of having an all athletes strength program like the ones Vanderbush and Silky run. You would obviously need the right guys in place, but I think this could help build the entire athletic programs culture, status, etc. Unless that all-sports program is Crossfit.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 22, 2018 20:27:48 GMT -6
We have never told any kid not to do a sport we always encourage multi sports. The question was if any of you have been forced to do that because it was that bad? Do any of your schools have a set of culture rules or statements that all programs must abide buy? We will promote the weight room Athletes that are late will have the following Etc.... It's not your place to make that determination unless you are the AD or an administrator. Coach your team and let the other coaches coach theirs. If the kids pick up some bad habits from other sports, then your high standards and expectations should get the kids back on track really fast once your season starts. You can try and package this however you want. But, at the end of the day, the perception is going to be that you are running down other programs so you can keep the athletes for yourself, regardless of your (ill-conceived) intentions.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 21, 2018 14:56:24 GMT -6
I don't think it's that wild that people will shell out huge money to CYA on unproven products. Right. There are all sorts of shysters out there who make fortunes off gullible or desperate people.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 21, 2018 14:53:40 GMT -6
Do any of you tell players to avoid certain sports programs because bad culture in those programs. Example spring sports that accept poor work ethic, kids being selfish, accept loosing etc... We want multi sport athletes, but at some point are you better off telling them to avoid bad programs? This is a great strategy for any coach who wants to make sure that they are despised by the other coaches in the building.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 19, 2018 15:40:12 GMT -6
Not doubting you, but would you mind explaining why. Have done this a couple times and it worked out fine. Im simply telling a kid what i have heard, not making any assumptions If a coach told my kid there were rumors that they were selling drugs, and didn't talk to me about it, I'd be livid. 1) it can sound like an accusation really quickly, no matter how well it's phrased 2) if it's credible, I better get contacted about it before you talk to my kid Yep.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 19, 2018 13:25:22 GMT -6
I’d be careful with that approach. You’re going to call a kid something he hasn’t been proven to be. Admin, school board etc can put a foot in your a for that one. Not worth having to deal with all that noise for a kid who’s probably not going to make it anyway. I aint calling a kid anything. I'm telling a kid about the rumors about him. If I heard it through the grapevine that Tanner is slinging heroin and I tell him that "I heard that he's selling H; and that concerns me." Im not calling him anything, im laying out for him what Ive heard. It establishes that we as coaches are aware that there are talksmaboutna possible issue and lets them kniw up front we arent naive. Kid then knows they are entering a situation where eyes are on them so if there ismsomething going on they may be hesitant Bad, bad idea. I would definitely consult your AD and principal before saying anything even remotely close to this. You are setting yourself up for a slew of trouble that just isn't worth it.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 15, 2018 11:42:54 GMT -6
I agree, but in defense and fairness of the player, he wasn't "going for the tackle". Not in the normal sense. People see the still images and video and think he was trying to go for a kill shot. He dropped his head and proceeded awkwardly because he was trying to avoid getting a DPI call. This isn't the same as someone missing a tackle on an ISO because they drop their head. That doesn't mean that coaches can't use it as the perfect example of using good technique to avoid missed tackles though. I would also give the Saints DB a pass because NFL officiating is horrendous. What is DPI or defensive holding or targeting on one play is not on the next. There is no consistency. A player has to be excused in that scenario for making a mistake due to being tentative because of the lack of certainty and confidence.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 14, 2018 13:48:29 GMT -6
Apologies if this has already been brought up, but I find "signing ceremonies" for some kid who is going to play D3 ball particularly annoying. We have a couple schools around here that make a big deal about it. I always wonder, what exactly are the kids signing? Just saw on Twitter the other day...some kid tweeted that he was "blessed to receive me 2nd offer from (small private D3 school that is going to charge $30,000/yr to play football) College. equally annoying are the ceremonies for the kids going to play D1 ball. A lot more kids are getting paid to go to school for other reasons... I get the D-1 ceremonies. That is a huge accomplishment and it is something that should be celebrated. I also agree with you that we should do a better job of celebrating kids who are getting scholarships for non-sports reasons. We should be celebrating ALL kids who have achieved something significant due to their hard work or abilities. But the kids going to some D3 school or crappy JUCO...it's not even really an achievement. It's manufacturing praise and distinction for the mundane. And I say that as a guy who played four years of D3 football at an above-average program. When I went to college, I was never under the illusion that one of the biggest reason I was there was because my check cleared!
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Post by 19delta on Jan 14, 2018 12:59:59 GMT -6
Apologies if this has already been brought up, but I find "signing ceremonies" for some kid who is going to play D3 ball particularly annoying. We have a couple schools around here that make a big deal about it. I always wonder, what exactly are the kids signing?
Just saw on Twitter the other day...some kid tweeted that he was "blessed to receive me 2nd offer from (small private D3 school that is going to charge $30,000/yr to play football) College.
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Post by 19delta on Jan 14, 2018 12:48:11 GMT -6
I don't know why but it rages me when teams brag about winning league titles at the JV and/or freshman level. There's a school in our league that has posted on social media for years about how good their lower levels are every week but they haven't made in the playoffs since 2013 and haven't won a varsity league title since 2009. A billion hashtags like #startingthefoundation #futureisbright. I literally saw one of their kids at the gym wearing a JV league title shirt. LOL We have a team in our league that does the same thing. They actually had rings made when their 5th grade team won a "championship" . Of course, these are the kind of guys who have 30 kids on their youth teams but the same 11 kids get all the snaps on both offense and defense. Same thing with their junior high and frosh-soph programs. And then they are always scratching their heads and can't figure out why kids quit before their junior year! They have all of these lower level "championships" but have won about 5 games in the last 10 years at the varsity level.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 31, 2017 9:50:36 GMT -6
Several articles I have read have said that very thing. The school that gets specifically mentioned is Phillips. In the past, kids who would have went to Phillips would go to Mount Carmel to play football. Now that Phillips has a couple state titles and is churning out FBS and FCS talent, kids are actually transferring FROM Mount Carmel TO Phillips. And Carmel is losing the tuition $$$$ Which might be the biggest issue that hasn’t even been discussed. Many private schools have closed or are in danger of closing. Driscoll Catholic, a Catholic school in the Chicago suburbs that had won 7 consecutive state titles, closed in 2009 due to declining enrollment and lack of funds. It was a “canary in the coal mine” moment, for sure.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 31, 2017 9:16:10 GMT -6
I wonder if letting kids slip away to CPS schools like Phillips and other schools like Loyola has made a difference??? Either way, what a shame! A legend does not deserve to go out like that. Several articles I have read have said that very thing. The school that gets specifically mentioned is Phillips. In the past, kids who would have went to Phillips would go to Mount Carmel to play football. Now that Phillips has a couple state titles and is churning out FBS and FCS talent, kids are actually transferring FROM Mount Carmel TO Phillips.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 31, 2017 9:08:25 GMT -6
I agree. I think this definitely reflects the lack of respect that many have for the coaching profession. Not because someone was fired, but because, as you said, it essentially does seem as if the general public feels anyone can do it. I recently attended the Louisiana state championship games for the first time in a long time, and it is amazing to listen to the fanbases talk about the coaches. I don't think they necessarily feel that anybody can do it, but they make the mistake of thinking that "great player=great coach," as if he's going to magically make the kids as athletic as he was by giving the right pregame speeches. And half the time, if the fans/parents know that a guy like that is interested in the job, they will move heaven and earth to install him there, even if it means running off a true legend. There was that school in our area that recently hired a former NFL player with less than a year of coaching experience to be HC and it was a horrible dumpster fire that completely destroyed that program. He caused all sorts of headaches for the district and school admin in just a few months before getting himself suspended 7 games into the season. But he played in the NFL, so he has to know football better than "some dumb good ol' boy" so that automatically made him an amazing coach. When he got suspended from that school (effectively fired, but still not officially so), the parents in other nearby schools started pushing to have their own coaches fired so he could take over those programs. My observation has been that guys who were great players often don't make great coaches. I worked for a guy about 10 years ago who was a former all-State LB and a D3 All American who was just a terrible high school football coach. Pi$$ed away more talent than any coach I have ever seen. He just didn't get it. He couldn't understand why the kids couldn't do the things he did as a player. He couldn't make the connection that the reason he could do those things is because he was an elite athlete and the kids he was coaching weren't. He didn't know how to coach.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 31, 2017 8:59:59 GMT -6
It would be interesting to see how he would fare. While he is obviously a tremendous program builder and coach, I would be really surprised if the program wasn't built in part by doing things that other programs can't/wouldn't do. A quick google search seems to paint Mt. Carmel as the stereotypical "private powerhouse" with recruiting infractions, and stories of lower socio -economic families claiming that their kids were asked to go to the school just to play ball. To be clear, not knocking a man I don't know, or a situation I am not personally involved with, but to compare it to something like JT Curtis at John Curtis I believe is fair. I will state with absolute certainty that Coach Curtis would never had won 25 state championships if he were not the HC of a family owned k-12 private school in a suburb of a metropolitan area with a population of between 1.2 and 1.4 million people centrally located such that players from at least 4 different parishes (counties) attended that often saw players repeat grade levels before this practice was outlawed by rule (yet with loopholes available at earlier ages...) Dan Appino, another Illinois coach, won over 80% of his games and two state titles during a 10-year career at Boylan Catholic in Rockford, Illinois from 2002-2011. In 2012, he took a job at Auburn, a big public school in Rockford. Auburn had only 2 winning seasons since 1980 and was coming off an 0-18 run from 2010-2011. In 2012, Appino took Auburn to the playoffs for the first time EVER (Illinois playoffs started in the mid-1970s). He reached the playoffs 4 of the next 5 years. This included back-to-back appearances in the 7a quarterfinals (2nd largest playoff class in Illinois) in 2015 and 2016. He retired after an 8-2 season this past year. Nobody expected Appino to have the same level of success at Auburn that he had at Boylan. Clearly, there are advantages he enjoyed at a private school in a city that has a long history of racial and socioeconomic problems and he, more than anyone else, would certainly cop to that. Nobody was talking about winning at an 80% clip and winning state titles at Auburn. What people were hoping for was respectability. But to say that he simply exceeded those expectations does not do the turnaround job at Auburn justice. Outside of some of the Chicago public schools, Auburn was, hands down, one of the worst programs in the state year in and year out. And Appino and his staff changed all of that in a very short period of time. He took that program from perennial doormat to a conference title contender. Some guys can coach, period. Appino is one of those guys and I am willing to bet that Lenti is, too.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 29, 2017 18:44:30 GMT -6
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Post by 19delta on Dec 23, 2017 7:27:16 GMT -6
I know this is more common in basketball for top recruits, not really sure why unless it's just to get to the NBA a year sooner. Seems like the trend in football has been the opposite direction where guys try to get "older" for their class not skip ahead. Yes, but in basketball it seems AAU will soon become, if it is not already considered "more important" than HS basketball. Basketball guys are already playing best against the best from middle school ages. HS football is the "big thing". Just seems like such a mercenary move to skip your senior year of high school to go play college ball. Along those lines, I wonder if the kid is already "older". I know here in Louisiana one of the greatest LSU players in history Tommy Cassanova raised a big stink about HS players ages when he was in the state legislature, once stating that it shocked him that so many players were 18-19 year olds playing in HS, because when he was 19 he was a sophomore corner playing in the SEC (Made all SEC, and All America soph, jr, sr years) on a defense that gave up 9 points a game. About 15 ago, there was a documentary titled "Go Tigers" about the football program at Massillon Washington High School in Ohio. According to the film, it was a fairly common practice for parents to "redshirt" their football-playing some by voluntarily holding them back in 7th or 8th grade. As a result, the number of 18 and 19 year old seniors on the varsity football team certainly raised eyebrows.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 14, 2017 15:13:13 GMT -6
I avoid the school dump as much as possible. We have a couple young, hot female teachers in our building. I am always concerned about going in and dropping sticks and then opening the door and having one of them waiting to use the bathroom after I just destroyed it. When I'm danger close and have a jumper in the window that just can't be ignored, I use the bathroom on the far side of the building and bring a bottle of scented bathroom deodorizer along that I keep in my desk drawer for such occasions. So I am kind of sympathetic to those kids! True story. I once used the staff bathroom immediately after a hot female teacher walked out. She had a strange look on her face when I offered a pleasant smile. 2 seconds later I walked into the most rotten smelling restroom anyone can ever imagine!!! My first year, I had to take a leak between classes. So I hustled down to the staff bathroom that is in the office. When I got there, the bathroom was being used so I had to wait. About a minute later, the toilet flushes and I hear the sink running. The door opens and one of our older, female teachers is standing there. Big lady. She can tell I am waiting to use the bathroom so she avoids eye contact and looks down in shame because I am about to find out what she did in the bathroom. The smell hit my nostrils before I even closed the door. Total devastation. Nuclear. Burned the place down to the foundation. I was actually concerned about the smell clinging to my clothes. But I had to go and get back down the hallway for my next class. So I took a leak while breathing through my mouth, washed my hands, and opened the door. Of course, when I opened the door, one of the pretty young teachers was quietly waiting to use the bathroom. I panicked because there was no way she was not going to equate the stench with me. So I said to her, “I didn’t do it. It was like that when I got here.” I don’t think she believed me and to this day, 8 years later, probably remembers what that bathroom smells like every day when she sees me!
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Post by 19delta on Dec 13, 2017 20:51:19 GMT -6
Off topic, but we had two (that's right TWO) different lacrosse parents call our AD last week to complain that the coach was wanting to move up practice time 10 min, because their kids needed to go home after school to go poop. They are not comfortable pooping at school. They practice at the middle school just down the road, but you have to drive over or it is a time consuming hike. That's right folks... 2 different parents. Hope their bosses are flexible one day. I avoid the school dump as much as possible. We have a couple young, hot female teachers in our building. I am always concerned about going in and dropping sticks and then opening the door and having one of them waiting to use the bathroom after I just destroyed it. When I'm danger close and have a jumper in the window that just can't be ignored, I use the bathroom on the far side of the building and bring a bottle of scented bathroom deodorizer along that I keep in my desk drawer for such occasions. So I am kind of sympathetic to those kids!
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Post by 19delta on Dec 13, 2017 20:36:33 GMT -6
In Illinois, it would have been late 90s or early 2000s because that is when the state high school association authorized organized summer football practices. Prior to that, basically the only activity teams could do in the summer was lift weights and condition. You couldn't legally do anything that was football-specific.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 13, 2017 12:23:35 GMT -6
Tim Beckman had 2 of the all-time greats. W-Whatever I-Is N-Necessary T-Today and don't forget OSKEE which stands for O-Our S-Success Equals the K-Knowledge of being a great student athlete on and off the football field. Understanding how to be supportive. How to understand to be successful in the classroom. E-Effort E-Energy I wish I was making this up.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 12, 2017 21:16:48 GMT -6
lot of people round here are using the Win the Day, then I saw one school was doing Win the Moment which is fantastic one-upsmanship! I'm looking to trademark Win the Microsecond but I'm not sure if that's actually shorter than a moment or not. You could go with Win The Smallest Fraction of Time That Is Mathematically Possible but the acronym would look clunky on the T-shirt. I for one just gotta say that I'm pumped about off-season twitter, videos of kids liftin'/ wrasslin' / community service projects/ shout outs to college recruiters....it's a great time to be alive! Win the future? If you beat them before they have a chance to win they day, there’s nothing they can do once the day comes.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 12, 2017 11:06:38 GMT -6
Along the lines of the win the day saying Carpe Diem - Seize the day Carpe Carp - Seize the fish Carpe Scrotum - Seize life by the balls. Carpe Vagina:
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Post by 19delta on Dec 11, 2017 17:04:52 GMT -6
So my daughter is graduating college next May. She just got back home last night after finals and we're sitting at the kitchen table talking about school and where she will be going after she graduates. We're talking about her senior pictures, they get to do a saying thing for the yearbook. She said that she had a quote and added 'RTFTO'. Since they had to explain all the acronyms she told them it meant: Remember The Fun Times Often Which fits in with what the school/society wants to hear. But, she said that it was actually from her HS volleyball days and that it was used to describe what they were going to do to their opponent - it actually meant they were going to: Rip Their F***ing T****es Off That's my girl, I knew I raised you right. That's great!
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Post by 19delta on Dec 9, 2017 4:41:36 GMT -6
alright....trying not to get too specific to stay anonymous...I know a lot of guys in my area read this board, and I've probably said some off the wall chit on here from time to time...but I'll do my best with the short version we won a lot, but there were some parents with an axe to grind about the typical BS and the HC didn't play politics all that well figuring that he was winning enough to not have to kiss much a$$ another coach in the area has won some titles at a smaller school nearby (they are a small school with several D1 athletes) but because he's got the rings he is seen as a bit of a local legend, this dude (we will refer to him as "the legend") leaves the local school under weird circumstances...he then proceeds to take that season off from coaching, he spends that season hanging out and watching practice and ours and few other schools. Floating it out to people in those communities that he would be interested in those jobs if they were to magically come open. when "the legend" was around, we joked constantly about how he was our next boss, we only thought we were joking long story short...HC gets pushed out.......job is open but it's time for the banquet the parents treat us as if we have been beating these children and shouldn't be around them under any circumstances while the search for the new Head Coach is happening, but we all know it's going to be "the legend"....there isn't any doubt so then some parents come up the grand Idea of turning the banquet into an opportunity to introduce the newly hired HC to the world...obviously we feel like this is bullcrap because it's supposed to be about the team we just had, not the new HC, so we complain to the superintendent, he's agrees but is spineless, so his solution is the tell the parents that the new HC won't be official in time for the banquet so just have a regular banquet...the parents decide to push the banquet back a full month so they can have their big reveal party as part of it...it was amazing anyway..banquet night comes, normal years we did it in the cafeteria, no big deal....parents decide this one is special so they organize a black tie affair at a nice hotel in town...ugh...it's pretty emotional for a lot of the coaches who had been there a long time and all knew that we were getting replaced. A good percentage of the parents won't talk to us or even look at us. They put us all at table far away from everybody like we were lepers....I mean it was crazy so they do all the awards and introductions and blah blah blah...then instead of a highlight video the moms do a "mom's" video of them asking questions of their players..and also the moms doing a choreographed hip hop dance..it contained more cringe than anybody had ever experienced in their lifetimes..I mean just bad..wish I had a copy...anyways...banquet part ends, and now comes the big introduction of "the legend" only what people haven't realized yet..is that "the legend"...who they organized this entire shabang for...is a really really crappy public speaker. So he comes up and gives a talk....I've tried to remember it verbatim, but I'll hit the highlights here just so you get the gist things that he said: he can bench press 300lbs he once played a baseball game with a broken jaw when they were in high school they ran 24 110's the day before a game we are no longer going to settle for just making the playoffs (we had been to the 3rd round or better the past 4 years) we are no longer going to play a soft non district schedule (that season we played two teams in non district that went to the state semi-finals) ...it was just unbelievable..one of nights where you think at any moment somebody is going to jump out with a camera and you find out it was all just a big practical joke good news about the whole thing...we all moved on and got really good jobs at different places, and the team under him has yet to come close the success we had while we were there.....good freaking times That's an all-timer, Coach!
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Post by 19delta on Dec 9, 2017 4:36:58 GMT -6
alright....trying not to get too specific to stay anonymous...I know a lot of guys in my area read this board, and I've probably said some off the wall chit on here from time to time...but I'll do my best with the short version we won a lot, but there were some parents with an axe to grind about the typical BS and the HC didn't play politics all that well figuring that he was winning enough to not have to kiss much a$$ another coach in the area has won some titles at a smaller school nearby (they are a small school with several D1 athletes) but because he's got the rings he is seen as a bit of a local legend, this dude (we will refer to him as "the legend") leaves the local school under weird circumstances...he then proceeds to take that season off from coaching, he spends that season hanging out and watching practice and ours and few other schools. Floating it out to people in those communities that he would be interested in those jobs if they were to magically come open. when "the legend" was around, we joked constantly about how he was our next boss, we only thought we were joking long story short...HC gets pushed out.......job is open but it's time for the banquet the parents treat us as if we have been beating these children and shouldn't be around them under any circumstances while the search for the new Head Coach is happening, but we all know it's going to be "the legend"....there isn't any doubt so then some parents come up the grand Idea of turning the banquet into an opportunity to introduce the newly hired HC to the world...obviously we feel like this is bullcrap because it's supposed to be about the team we just had, not the new HC, so we complain to the superintendent, he's agrees but is spineless, so his solution is the tell the parents that the new HC won't be official in time for the banquet so just have a regular banquet...the parents decide to push the banquet back a full month so they can have their big reveal party as part of it...it was amazing anyway..banquet night comes, normal years we did it in the cafeteria, no big deal....parents decide this one is special so they organize a black tie affair at a nice hotel in town...ugh...it's pretty emotional for a lot of the coaches who had been there a long time and all knew that we were getting replaced. A good percentage of the parents won't talk to us or even look at us. They put us all at table far away from everybody like we were lepers....I mean it was crazy so they do all the awards and introductions and blah blah blah...then instead of a highlight video the moms do a "mom's" video of them asking questions of their players..and also the moms doing a choreographed hip hop dance..it contained more cringe than anybody had ever experienced in their lifetimes..I mean just bad..wish I had a copy...anyways...banquet part ends, and now comes the big introduction of "the legend" only what people haven't realized yet..is that "the legend"...who they organized this entire shabang for...is a really really crappy public speaker. So he comes up and gives a talk....I've tried to remember it verbatim, but I'll hit the highlights here just so you get the gist things that he said: he can bench press 300lbs he once played a baseball game with a broken jaw when they were in high school they ran 24 110's the day before a game we are no longer going to settle for just making the playoffs (we had been to the 3rd round or better the past 4 years) we are no longer going to play a soft non district schedule (that season we played two teams in non district that went to the state semi-finals) ...it was just unbelievable..one of nights where you think at any moment somebody is going to jump out with a camera and you find out it was all just a big practical joke good news about the whole thing...we all moved on and got really good jobs at different places, and the team under him has yet to come close the success we had while we were there.....good freaking times I've never been a part of a program where the parents organized the banquet, even the boosters had to answer to run it through the coaching staff. If the coaches organized it then they could've just said, "No" to all the shenanigans and did it right initially. You may have had low numbers, but you were out the door anyways and wouldn't have had to sit through the 'reveal party'. True, but what a great story! Sometimes it's fun to just sit back and watch a sh1tshow, especially when you know you aren't going to be a part of it!
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Post by 19delta on Dec 8, 2017 21:51:08 GMT -6
Everyone will need to sky point the first time that buck sweep gets called next season!
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Post by 19delta on Dec 6, 2017 12:46:15 GMT -6
I have had issues with uploading photos to Google Drive. I think that you can only upload 500 at a time. Maybe something similar with video. Question...why are you uploading the videos to Google Drive? Why not just upload them to YouTube? I'm not uploading anything. I am copying files. Ok. I got you now. Someone shared video with you and you are making a copy so you don't lose access. I'm not sure why you would get an error message. Did you post anything in the Google help forums? They are usually pretty responsive.
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Post by 19delta on Dec 6, 2017 11:59:54 GMT -6
I have had issues with uploading photos to Google Drive. I think that you can only upload 500 at a time. Maybe something similar with video.
Question...why are you uploading the videos to Google Drive? Why not just upload them to YouTube?
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Post by 19delta on Dec 5, 2017 21:11:37 GMT -6
So you are uploading video files to your Google drive and you get an error message after 100 uploads?
From where are the videos you are uploading coming? A video camera or external hard drive?
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