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Post by silkyice on Sept 7, 2019 16:46:08 GMT -6
If you can't have fun winning a game in overtime against a team with the second longest win streak in the country and a team that took a playoff team last year to overtime, then why the hell are you playing?
Celebrate a win for 24 hours. Mourn a loss for 24 hours. Then flush it and get back to work.
Also, maybe they are celebrating that their national championship hopes are still alive instead of being flushed.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 3, 2019 7:40:35 GMT -6
Get them off the scoreboard. You have to convince them to play one play at a time and each play do your job and get better at it.
Be a book. Read a page (a play) and then turn the page. Got to turn the page. Good life lesson.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 30, 2019 6:44:18 GMT -6
Here is what I use... It is conservative and assumes 2 seconds per kneel down play (the time that elapses from the snap of the ball to the next whistle) and 39 seconds between plays (40 second play clock and you snap the ball with 1 second remaining). Obviously, there are ways to extend kneel downs, but I wanted to be conservative in this instance. TIMEOUTS DN 0 1 2 3 1 2:05 1:26 0:47 0:08 2 1:24 0:45 0:06 0:06 3 0:43 0:04 0:04 0:04 4 0:02 0:02 0:02 0:02 I went and checked my chart I made this summer and it matches 100% with the above.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 23, 2019 7:15:39 GMT -6
There are some solutions.
One, schools have to turn each other in. Not saying I am going to do that, but if everyone did, and some got in trouble, then it would be different. Not solved, but better.
Two, the associations have to be be tough. This is the actual problem. Things like playoff bans, and outright season bans.
Three, the associations could hire investigators. Every school might have to pay $1000 (or whatever) in to a fund to do this, but it would help.
Four, transfers have to sit out a year no matter what. NO MATTER WHAT. This solves it. But also hurts kids and families that move.
Five, bona fide transfers have to sit out half the season. None bona fide transfers are still ineligible.
Six, bona fide transfers have to sit out half the season and the FIRST playoff game. Non bona fide transfers are still ineligible.
Seven, each association has TWO divisions. One - all transfers are eligible. The second division - no transfers are eligible. Each school picks which division they want to be in.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 19, 2019 9:05:55 GMT -6
Maybe they differ from company to company but we like them better in all weather. What brand? What model?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 18, 2019 12:12:44 GMT -6
If that one costs my team a chance at a state championship that would be enough for me. Again fair enough. We just have different philosophies on life and athletics. I get your point. It's Friday night. Football game. Your starting qb decides to go see the new Marvel movie instead. Or his brother's bday party. Or take his girlfriend out. All ok? Of course not. A coach trying to get kids to make good decisions or put his teams welfare in front of his own fleeting personal happiness by going to the skateboard park or playing in a powder puff game sounds like trying to help kids mature. Everything isn't all roses or even about fleeting happiness. Life is tough, Accidents happen, but the majority of "accidents" are preventable with a little foresight or thought.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 17, 2019 17:43:38 GMT -6
Drug use? Depression? Suicide? Because she couldn't play in the powderpuff game? Oh, brother... I get it. You only get, what, one or two opportunities to play in a powder puff game in your lifetime. Totally just made fun of my earlier post.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 17, 2019 7:50:31 GMT -6
Guys, it's {censored} HS football. Keep asking them to put a sport you care about a hell of a lot more than they do above having fun and see how many kids you get out. {censored} happens. Adapt and overcome. PS- think about your statement. Your pissed off a kid got hurt for a meaningless scrimmage because he was playing football. What are you going to tell him? Stop playing football so you can play football?
Yes, it's just HS football.
And yes coaches generally care about it more than most kids.
But it's not tennis, or golf, or other individual sports either.
It's a TEAM sport.
Teammates are counting on teammates to help them compete and have fun.
Losing is not fun.
If they become ineligible for academic reasons or violating training rules, can't play because they injured themselves away from the practice field, etc. - it doesn't just affect the individual. Or the coach.
It's NOT like playing "Fortnite" or other such games.
Kids can learn how to be part of something bigger than themselves by playing HS football - if they choose.
You can also skateboard for the rest if your life. There are only a certain amount of varsity football games you get you play in your life and for most kids that is about 20. This can be said about hunting, fishing, hanging out, going to a concert, partying, whatever. I am not saying a kid has to give his life up to play football, but be smart about your decisions and realize OTHERS are affected by them. Math team has a huge math tournament on a Saturday morning. Is anyone on this thread going to paint the Math Team sponsor as evil for telling her kids to not go to the big concert or late movie or party on Friday night?
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Post by silkyice on Aug 16, 2019 18:47:32 GMT -6
8 delay of games?
They weren’t blowing a play dead and immediately putting on 25 seconds instead of 40 were they?
If so, they are idiots.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 15, 2019 7:38:46 GMT -6
Let’s say you have a nine game schedule and ideally want to play ten games. The only team you can schedule for that tenth game, though, is significantly better than you. Let’s also say that you’re staring at a losing record already and that tenth game will just be one more loss. Would you stick with nine or play ten?
Would that tenth game be the last, or somewhere else in schedule (fill an open date)?
Additionally, is it at home (make money) or on the road (lose money)? If the game is the 5th game and you have a winnable game 6, could game 5 cause you to now lose game 6? Could you have a young team that could be good next year and playing a really good opponent help them for next year? All kind of questions to ask. But from the initial OP, no, I wouldn't schedule it, especially now just a few weeks before the season starts.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 20, 2019 21:40:56 GMT -6
Several possible responses 1)"Can't talk now, I have to go speak at a clinic" 2) "Well, we will be running 11 personnel, so we probably will be the best offensive team in the Nation" 3) "There is no universal terminology for pre-season predictions" 4) "Phuking have no clue, but I will coach football and I will teach math next year somewhere" 5) "Well, we will be running dbl tight double wing and the 46 gambler on defense, so we will probably be the best team in the country" Gold Have to be a coachhuey regular for over 10 years to catch everyone of those.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 18, 2019 11:54:01 GMT -6
The problem here is a global lack of understanding around "energy systems". In an isolated environment where yes football is a game of 4-5 second bursts followed by a 20 second rest. So this is where the twitter crew is getting that football is slotted into a specific energy system category. The problem becomes this does not account for: -different body types -different distances to run -different tasks associated with different positions *someone gave the contrast between a NT and a C their jobs are vastly different on every play* -in the NFL and even the NCAA a guy makes a big play and he often gets subbed out for a squirt of water then subbed back in again. In HS I don't know to many teams that can sub out the stud RB for another dude after a big run. Chances are the stud RB is playing O the whole series, he is on the PAT team and then the kick off team. So I think the reality is the game is not 4-5 second sprint with a 20 second rest. As coaches we need to do something to ensure our kids can handle this type of a game where there is the need for a large amount of work capacity. Which in turn does require a stock of aerobic conditioning. Hence why we run the 40/30/20's every 30 seconds and add in 1 or 2 250's. Sometimes you just don't get that break. But I do agree that 16 110's is not the best way to go. And I vehemently disagree that conditioning should be done all summer or all year. It really doesn't take but a few weeks to get a kid into shape enough to practice if he has been doing strength/speed/jump/agility training. And then after a few of practice, he should be able to play a game at a reasonable level. And after a few weeks of games, he should be good to go. Just the way it is in my opinion.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 15, 2019 15:56:27 GMT -6
"Only thing that gets you conditioned to play games is playing games" I have to wonder : If you only play once a week, how exactly is that getting one physically into shape? First, that is exactly true. The better shape in general you are, the closer you will be to game shape. The more specific you are, the better also. I guess what we as coaches mean by that saying is on a scale of 1-10, no one is at 10 on game 1. But obviously, the higher you are on the scale, the faster (less games) it will take to get to 10 (or close). Also, if someone is at a mythical 10, all it will take for that player to not be a 10 is to all of the sudden have to play a game 2 pm instead of 7 pm and against a light speed no huddle team and the starter on defense gets hurt, so he now has to play both ways. That 10 becomes an instant 6. Ha But to answer your question more directly, I think it is possible for conditioning to only be done once or twice a week to be effective. We condition some everyday right now during the season (that might change), but during the summer we only condition twice a week after July 4 and the kids make marketed improvement. Furthermore, I know that if I don’t personally play any basketball for a few months, that first time back is tough. If I play a week later, it is easier. One week after that, even easier, and by the next week, I feel “in shape” by my standards.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 14, 2019 5:54:06 GMT -6
Agreed!!!!
Thoughts on conditioning
1) conditioning interferes with size, speed, and strength gains. So do the minimum required and try and not do it until you have to.
2) the kids should be in some kind of general shape just from working out, doing agilities, plyo’s, speed training, playing other sports. Only fat one-sport lineman should ever be a problem getting into shape and they don’t ever run more than a few yards per play anyway.
3) Train as much game-like as possible. We run either 20’s, 30’s or 40’s and one every 30 seconds. We will sprint a lap around the goalpost (about 250 yards - 2 times at most) for time because you do need some aerobic conditioning.
4) You should ramp up the conditioning. We don’t condition until after July 4th week. Start with 10 20’s and 1 250. Build up to 20 40’s and 2 250’s over the course of 3-4 weeks.
5) all of this still doesn’t get up in football shape. You won't be in shape until about game 2 or 3. I don’t care how many 110’s you run.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 12, 2019 10:24:24 GMT -6
Question - What comes after Generation Z? Is this the end? Ha!
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Post by silkyice on Jul 9, 2019 18:14:14 GMT -6
Yeah I agree with brophy . I hear a lot of complaining and what folks think the reason is. How about some logical solutions instead. Duece Update on my original post/ logical solutions This week is our annual youth camp which is an open invite to all 6/7/8th graders We open up the week doing a quasi "combine" in which we have all the kids compete in a 40 yard dash, Shuttle drill, broad jump, etc. My station this year was the broad jump. With this thread in mind I was more alert to monitor the kids overall enthusiasm... I did my best to do my usual "hype up" of the drill but they were obviously just going through the motions of their practice jumps, and even for their initial jumps... We were going through their 2nd attempt and the emotion was still lack luster, when all of the sudden the wind blew a piece of garbage in the way of the station (some small piece of rubber?) and as I picked it up to toss it an older coach who I was working the station goes "he coach how about we place this where their previous jump was so they can see if they can beat their score" HOLY@#$% did the enthusiasm go through the roof! They were legitimately excited to do the drill! They were celebrating if they made it, dissapointed if they missed it, but overall they were all amped up to be doing the long jump! There were kids literally begging to jump a 4th and 5th time just to show the other kids he could beat his high score! Afterwards we had a good laugh over how these screen addicted kids were legitimately exited to jump over a literal piece of garbage. Overall I believe the way to combat this is to get Gen Z kids interested in football through instant gratification and visual ques... even if it as simple as giving them a piece of garbage to jump over. Kids love competing and they love results.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 3, 2019 12:20:46 GMT -6
Here's another story.
I am old enough to have coached kids that coach now coach. Those coaches will talk to me about kids these days and ______ fill in the blank. Work ethic, attitude, how much they care, parents, video games, other things to do, whatever.
I laugh and say that coaches used to say the SAME things about them!!!
Don't forget, we are coaches. We most likely cared more than the average kid. Payed attention more. Did the little things. Didn't miss. Made football a priority. I would bet that our parents (in general) cared more also. We forget our friend Jimmy who skipped workouts to go to a concert.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 2, 2019 18:01:45 GMT -6
I will be intrigued to see if that level of commitment continues when things don't go to their expectations. Me too. But I am not sure what their expectations are. LOL On a side note, the year I had the most not come back out or wanting not to work was the year after a state championship. Crazy right?
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Post by silkyice on Jul 2, 2019 17:56:52 GMT -6
On the flip side, I am the new coach at a private school that was 0-11 last year. Yes, 0-11. They finished with about 18 kids. They had all kinds of concussions, ACL's, shoulder injuries, etc. But somehow today on July 2nd, I had 80 7-12 graders in the weight room doing really tough stuff like repping out on heavy ass weight deadlifts. Then going outside in 101 heat index and working their tails off. Some even diving on the dry grass for passes and coming up bleeding and not even saying a word about it. Oh, and then some stayed afterwards to do individual work. Oh, and the kids that missed, yeah, the came up on the weekend and already made up. These are kids that just went through the worst season imaginable. No wins and tons of injuries. These are kids with money and nice cars. They probably have an xbox AND a PS4. They have lake houses. They play other sports also. They could have slept in. They could have gone to the lake or the beach for July 4th week. They could have cruised around in there $50,000 cars and trucks. They could have hung out with their girlfriends by the pool. But instead they played they got up early and PRACTICED this great game of football in the heat and lifted heavy weights. Kids these days amaze me.
I suspect the kids at your new school recognize they have a legitimate football coach now and are going to do what you ask them to do to be successful.
Hall of Fame coach before me who retired. Great coach and great guy. Just was the literal perfect bad storm last year. It happens. But my post really wasn’t about me although I could see how it came across that way. My post is about kids these days. Some work, some don’t. Some care, some don’t. Just like always! Coaches in 1000 years will be having these EXACT discussions. For me, kids these days amaze me.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 2, 2019 13:59:43 GMT -6
On the flip side, I am the new coach at a private school that was 0-11 last year. Yes, 0-11. They finished with about 18 kids. They had all kinds of concussions, ACL's, shoulder injuries, etc.
But somehow today on July 2nd, I had 80 7-12 graders in the weight room doing really tough stuff like repping out on heavy ass weight deadlifts. Then going outside in 101 heat index and working their tails off. Some even diving on the dry grass for passes and coming up bleeding and not even saying a word about it.
Oh, and then some stayed afterwards to do individual work.
Oh, and the kids that missed, yeah, the came up on the weekend and already made up.
These are kids that just went through the worst season imaginable. No wins and tons of injuries. These are kids with money and nice cars. They probably have an xbox AND a PS4. They have lake houses. They play other sports also. They could have slept in. They could have gone to the lake or the beach for July 4th week. They could have cruised around in there $50,000 cars and trucks. They could have hung out with their girlfriends by the pool.
But instead they played they got up early and PRACTICED this great game of football in the heat and lifted heavy weights.
Kids these days amaze me.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 28, 2019 17:48:50 GMT -6
We make scout sheets, not scout cards.
It has just the offense and where they go. Lineman get lines that either show a down block, double team, base, hook, pull, or pass block. If they need something more specific, I will add the defense in for that play.
We letter all the skill players (x, y, z, h, f, q) so that everyone knows where to line up. Q is always used, but a will be for team that moves q around to go wildcat for instance.
I can get 28 plays on one sheet - 7 rows with 4 columns. Number them 1-28. If you think that makes the boxes too small, do 10 per sheet or 8 or whatever. The back sheet is numbered starting with 201. Just makes easier to communicate.
Now I can get 56 plays drawn up. We aren't going to hit 56 in day, and most times 56 aren't even drawn up. But they are all there.
We print out 6 (you can make more). Quick laminate them. The head coach and DC have a sheet. Then either other coaches or players have the other 4. We break the scout offense into "pods". O line, backs left receivers, right receivers.
We just huddle in the four pods and call the play. Makes everything much faster. Lots of time the line will have two sheets. Left side of line and Right side of line and center.
So no need for a big card.
The big cards take FOREVER to draw and all the kids can't see them all at once in the huddle anyways. Our way, everyone is on the same page and it all is done quickly and there is only one "card/page" to keep up with.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 28, 2019 13:41:15 GMT -6
Another disadvantage to this method (especially for smaller teams) is when you have to have a TE (or anyone) play scout right guard. Sure it would be great if he already understood what the right guard does, but then the next week he plays scout SE and the next he plays scout RB and the next scout tackle.
Some teams have a hard enough time just getting their starting right guard to learn right guard.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 25, 2019 14:39:21 GMT -6
100 yard bear crawl for missing. Not awful, but not easy. Nothing excused (within reason - i.e. not making a do a bear crawl cause he went to a funeral). If you miss and I did not know you would miss, 200 yard bear crawl.
silkyice Does this work for you?
Reads like a way to discourage kids from playing-being part of the team-program.
Yes, it works. I am 99.9999% positive that this doesn't even enter a kid's mind for a reason for not playing. 100 yard bear crawl is really not that bad. It isn't fun, but it isn't awful at all. I even have kids come up to me after practice on Wednesday (day doesn't matter), and say, "I have to miss on Saturday, can I go ahead and get my bear crawl done?" The kids also have to do a 100 yard bear crawl to use the bathroom during practice. While that sounds crazy, the kids accept it. If they are willing to do a bear crawl to use the bathroom when it isn't break time, that means they really need to go. You also get a bear crawl for being late. Just kind of my standard infraction discipline. I make the kids ride the bus back with team from away games. If some reason their parents need them to ride with them, fine. But you own me a 100 yard bear crawl.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 25, 2019 12:23:48 GMT -6
And what if kids miss? What is excused/unexcused? Penalties? 100 yard bear crawl for missing. Not awful, but not easy. Nothing excused (within reason - i.e. not making a do a bear crawl cause he went to a funeral). If you miss and I did not know you would miss, 200 yard bear crawl.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 24, 2019 7:44:00 GMT -6
I used to not do Saturdays, but started it at my last job and will do it at this new one.
Reasons:
1) 24 hour rule. I tell the kids before the season and after each game that they have 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss and then move on. If we wait until Monday to watch film, I am violating the rule with them. I want to put that game to bed and be done with it. I don’t want to switch gears.
2) Makes Monday’s shorter. Watching film, lifting, conditioning, practicing, and then having a jv game makes for a LONG and inefficient Monday.
3) We don’t lift on Saturday, but I do make them go through our quick warm-up and job around the field one time. While sleeping in is recovery, I think that just making them do this also helps them recover. Kids who play Friday night and then don’t do anything but sleep or stay inside and lay around the entire weekend aren’t optimally ready for Monday. And a kid isn’t going to go do our warmup on his own.
4) Prevent surprises on Monday afternoon. If you have coached longer than zero seasons (ha), you have had a kid come in right before Monday practice and tell you about some injury that happened Friday night and he didn’t realize until Saturday morning and thought it would go away. So he now misses Monday and Tuesday practice and isn’t 100% physically ready or prepared for Friday. I see them all on Saturday morning and take care of those injuries then. One, we know about them and can prepare other plans. Two, they can go ahead and get treatment Saturday, Sunday, and Monday morning and Monday before practice. That is four treatments (plus their own extra on Sat and Sun) before you might would even find out they are injured on Monday before practice. That many times is the difference between playing on Friday or not or being prepared or not.
5) Cut out at least one night of partying. If they know they have to see me on Saturday morning, they know they can’t come in hungover.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 15, 2019 8:06:13 GMT -6
I retract my “Vast” and said 30 HailMarys.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 14, 2019 22:46:01 GMT -6
Yes, that is my point. Why? Why is 10 year old football about everyone playing, player development..love of the game etc.. but Varsity football is about winning? Same reason ten year olds are learning multiplication tables and 17 year olds are taking the ACT. They grow up. Things get more serious. More girls are in dance when they are ten, then when they are 17. More kids play the piano when they are ten, then when they are 17. More kids play baseball and basketball too when they are ten, then when they are 17.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 14, 2019 20:36:08 GMT -6
First and most important, under usual peewee, middle school, jv, varsity model, or something similar, the vast majority of those kids will play for the same school or ORGANIZATION. Meaning that Central peewee team will become Central middle school and Central JV and the Central High School. So of course, developmental logically follows there. I think "vast" is overstating it. I've spent my entire career coaching in cities with multiple high schools so youth teams aren't sending their kids to the same HS. We don't have MS sports but if we did it wouldn't help much because not all MS's feed to the same HS's. I don't think that our situation is that rare. Same school or ORGANIZATION. Meant that to include school district also. Did those high school coaches care which kids came to their high school and whether or not they were developed and got some playing time?
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Post by silkyice on Jun 14, 2019 18:05:13 GMT -6
You said you were playing devil's advocate. Fair enough.
Referring to your last line - do you believe that the level of competition and meritocracy ("best players play") shouldn't be different at varsity than lower levels?
From a purely objective point of view, can you tell me why it should be different? I don't have solid stats on total "youth" (nebulous term) tackle football participation numbers. Statista.com reported (but I couldn't find their source) that a little over 5.2 million people over the age of 6 participated in tackle football. About 1 million of those are HS kids (according to the Federation Stats) and about 70,000 play NCAA ball. So out of that means that 4.1 of the 5.2 million only play youth ball. So why should HS varsity coaches get to say "This is 'what counts, you sit the bench" but the coaches of around 80% of the participants don't get that same stature? It would sound pretty ridiculous to hear Swinney or Saban or Harbaugh to lament HS's not focusing on developing players but rather on winning, but is it all that different other than just the mindset of HS coaches? I understand your point, but there are some differences. First and most important, under usual peewee, middle school, jv, varsity model, or something similar, the NOW RETRACTED v**t majority of those kids will play for the same school or organization. Meaning that Central peewee team will become Central middle school and Central JV and the Central High School. So of course, developmental logically follows there. It isn't like Saban has Alabama peewee, ms, jv, and High School and ALL those kids will go to Alabama and that is ALL he will have. If that were the case, you better believe Saban would demand development for those high school kids. Next, when you have a organization that transitions upward, the top is more important. It is the culmination. It is what people are playing for, striving for, shooting for. It is what drives the whole organization for the most part. It is what more people care about. It is what gets in the newspapers, yearbooks, tv, etc. Lastly, in high school the kids are older. There is "less" development to be had. You don't look at the 18 year old and go, oh, he is bigger and stronger cause he hit puberty early. Or, you never know, The 5'2" kid might be 6'3" in three years. Well first the 18 year old 5'2" isn't ever going to be 6'3". Plus, in three years, he ain't playing football anymore anyways.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 13, 2019 22:35:56 GMT -6
Some of this is the military's fault. My oldest son looked into joining the military. The problem is he is 5'9 235. Big shoulders, chest, and legs. Not thin, but not even close to being fat. Jumped over 30" on the just jump, ran a 4.8, benched 300, etc. Would probably be in the top 10% athletically of people who enlisted in the military. Problem: He has to weigh a MAXIMUM of 175 to enlist at his height. That means he would have to lose 60 pounds just to enlist. Ridiculous. My youngest son just graduated high school. He is 6'3" 192. He is trying to get to 210 before college baseball season and eating like a horse. If he gets to 206, he would now be too "fat" for the military. This is a three sport athlete. A quarterback, and if he just gains a little more muscle and gets stronger and faster, he now is too "big" for the military. Oh, and I would have to lose 23 pounds to enlist. Just look at my avatar and you can see all of us. Just a whole another perspective. www.military.com/join-armed-forces/army-weight-rules.htmlWhat branch? I was US Army from 1996-1999. Weighed about 230lbs. My maximum allowable BW was like 180lbs. I could have sawed a leg off and not made that weight. But, the Army had bodyfat standards for the big guys and I always made that with plenty of room to spare. It was the Navy. It was over the phone and the recruiter said for him to get down to under 200 and they could talk about possible accommodations then.
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