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Post by els36 on Jun 23, 2019 21:38:26 GMT -6
I have been thinking of getting rid of Saturdays for Varsity players. Varsity lifts Monday and Wednesday (JV Tuesday Wednesday). I guess the only thing I bring Varsity players in for on Saturdays is for a recovery lift and film, which totals to an hour. JV plays on Saturdays as well. I do like knowing who is hurting and potentially out from an injury, but I could find that out fairly easily in 2019. Benefits of no Saturdays and benefits of keeping Saturdays?
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Post by s73 on Jun 23, 2019 21:49:41 GMT -6
I have been thinking of getting rid of Saturdays for Varsity players. Varsity lifts Monday and Wednesday (JV Tuesday Wednesday). I guess the only thing I bring Varsity players in for on Saturdays is for a recovery lift and film, which totals to an hour. JV plays on Saturdays as well. I do like knowing who is hurting and potentially out from an injury, but I could find that out fairly easily in 2019. Benefits of no Saturdays and benefits of keeping Saturdays? I haven't done Saturdays in over 10 years. I believe, right or wrong, that the benefits of a kid getting rest after beating up his body for 5 days playing the game of FB far outweighs any benefit he would receive from me bringing him in an extra day. IMO, recovery is one of the most underrated and overlooked parts of our profession. Kids only come in if they need to see the trainer or want to ice bath. Otherwise, they are granted the day off and we share our break down w/ them on hudl. JMO. |
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Post by carookie on Jun 23, 2019 22:01:47 GMT -6
For the players-I like Saturdays to review the previous night's game film with players. I know some people like that on the following Monday, but by then we are already watching next week's opponent. We just go 9-11 for the kids- 75 min film review, 45 min lift & injury check up.
For the Coaches- We get stats done from the previous game, watch film with players, then breakdown next week opponents. We could technically get this done on our own (divide coaches up into various classrooms at this time anyways and they all input different info); but they are already there, and I have found that when coaches are free to do it at home they take longer to get it done. After the film is broken down we do any game planning and have the scouting report done usually by mid afternoon. I know some people like to do this all on Sunday, but I'd rather give everyone Sundays off- moreover I strongly believe in not putting off til tomorrow what can be done today.
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Post by els36 on Jun 23, 2019 22:06:04 GMT -6
I feel like I keep Saturdays just foe the fact "I have always done it that way." And I hate doing it just for that.
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Post by els36 on Jun 23, 2019 22:38:00 GMT -6
I have been thinking of getting rid of Saturdays for Varsity players. Varsity lifts Monday and Wednesday (JV Tuesday Wednesday). I guess the only thing I bring Varsity players in for on Saturdays is for a recovery lift and film, which totals to an hour. JV plays on Saturdays as well. I do like knowing who is hurting and potentially out from an injury, but I could find that out fairly easily in 2019. Benefits of no Saturdays and benefits of keeping Saturdays? I haven't done Saturdays in over 10 years. I believe, right or wrong, that the benefits of a kid getting rest after beating up his body for 5 days playing the game of FB far outweighs any benefit he would receive from me bringing him in an extra day. IMO, recovery is one of the most underrated and overlooked parts of our profession. Kids only come in if they need to see the trainer or want to ice bath. Otherwise, they are granted the day off and we share our break down w/ them on hudl. JMO. Do you believe your athletes seem more rested? You think they enjoy football more with the extra day off? |
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Post by mhs99 on Jun 24, 2019 5:49:17 GMT -6
Don’t do Saturdays or Sundays. The advent of Hudl means we now put all the work in late Friday night. I break down film and send it too the whole team and coaching staff and our positional coaches each do their group and send comments. It often means staying up past 2:00am, but the benefits of the kids sleeping in and healing up is immeasurable. Many (60%+) of our kids work on the weekends as well as they need money for various things and some need the money for their families.
Our staff will conference call everything on Saturday afternoon, if not before through text chain to go over film and then put the next weeks opponent game plan together. The next weeks opponents film goes out Saturday evening.
The truth to is I have 4 kids and while much of my does does not, they are mostly older guys with a wife and responsibilities.
The idea of grinding 7 days a week with kids at the facility is really a false narrative. Work smarter and more disciplined as staff, prepare impeccably. Kids need a break from coaches and time to be teenagers. We switched over years ago and our staff clearly recognizes that our kids are fresher and seems to like football a lot more. No dread of coming in on weekends.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 24, 2019 7:44:00 GMT -6
I used to not do Saturdays, but started it at my last job and will do it at this new one.
Reasons:
1) 24 hour rule. I tell the kids before the season and after each game that they have 24 hours to celebrate a win or mourn a loss and then move on. If we wait until Monday to watch film, I am violating the rule with them. I want to put that game to bed and be done with it. I don’t want to switch gears.
2) Makes Monday’s shorter. Watching film, lifting, conditioning, practicing, and then having a jv game makes for a LONG and inefficient Monday.
3) We don’t lift on Saturday, but I do make them go through our quick warm-up and job around the field one time. While sleeping in is recovery, I think that just making them do this also helps them recover. Kids who play Friday night and then don’t do anything but sleep or stay inside and lay around the entire weekend aren’t optimally ready for Monday. And a kid isn’t going to go do our warmup on his own.
4) Prevent surprises on Monday afternoon. If you have coached longer than zero seasons (ha), you have had a kid come in right before Monday practice and tell you about some injury that happened Friday night and he didn’t realize until Saturday morning and thought it would go away. So he now misses Monday and Tuesday practice and isn’t 100% physically ready or prepared for Friday. I see them all on Saturday morning and take care of those injuries then. One, we know about them and can prepare other plans. Two, they can go ahead and get treatment Saturday, Sunday, and Monday morning and Monday before practice. That is four treatments (plus their own extra on Sat and Sun) before you might would even find out they are injured on Monday before practice. That many times is the difference between playing on Friday or not or being prepared or not.
5) Cut out at least one night of partying. If they know they have to see me on Saturday morning, they know they can’t come in hungover.
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Post by fkaboneyard on Jun 24, 2019 10:17:14 GMT -6
On Saturdays after games our guys come in and do a lite lift and then some lite agility/cardio, then film. The whole process takes 2 hours. I'm not a S&C guy but our guy insists on it. We are a small school that can't afford to lose any kids to injury. The Saturday work certainly seems to have helped our kids stay healthy. I have no hard evidence to back that up other than the fact that the team had many more injuries - and kids said they were more sore on Monday - than when we instituted Saturday workouts.
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Post by cpcollet on Jun 24, 2019 11:26:59 GMT -6
Our road games are typically 2 hours away. We don't have our guys come in on Saturdays for road games, but do have them come in for about an hour when we have home games.
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Post by els36 on Jun 24, 2019 11:41:42 GMT -6
We discussed as a staff. We are going to implement a "Victory" Saturday deal. It won't be every victory, but would be mixed in, if we sense the varsity guys are just beat and exhausted. Would be a good way for us to gauge if our kids can handle no Saturdays. Sometimes having the coaches voice the next morning after a tough loss is better than waiting till Monday, and every negative person having their thoughts downloaded onto them before I talk to them. Thanks for everyone's input!
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Post by s73 on Jun 24, 2019 12:44:22 GMT -6
I haven't done Saturdays in over 10 years. I believe, right or wrong, that the benefits of a kid getting rest after beating up his body for 5 days playing the game of FB far outweighs any benefit he would receive from me bringing him in an extra day. IMO, recovery is one of the most underrated and overlooked parts of our profession. Kids only come in if they need to see the trainer or want to ice bath. Otherwise, they are granted the day off and we share our break down w/ them on hudl. JMO. Do you believe your athletes seem more rested? You think they enjoy football more with the extra day off? I can say w/o hesitation that I feel enthusiasm for football at our school seems to be pretty good where as when I've coached at other places where I was an assistant kids seemed to drag more as the season wore on & I think Saturdays played a role in that. As far as being better rested, I can only say that we have performed better in the 4th quarter than many of our opponents despite them being bigger schools w/ better numbers more often than not. |
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Post by groundchuck on Jun 24, 2019 13:02:38 GMT -6
Previous school: Never did Saturdays until the first round of the playoffs because of the goofy schedule we keep in Minnesota. Current school: Same thing. If we have a first round game we are going to practice Saturday.
This past year we also lifted and did training room treatment on Saturday mornings and I thought it was beneficial. It was voluntary. But in our culture voluntary means you better have a really good reason to not be there.
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Post by KYCoach2331 on Jun 24, 2019 18:47:21 GMT -6
I believe a lot of our kids (mostly our junior class, special group) have been asking for Saturday film this season. I don’t believe they’ve ever had it here.
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Post by Coach Vint on Jun 24, 2019 19:46:02 GMT -6
Our kids come in to lift, stretch, watch film, and do awards on Saturday. They come in at 9 for treatment and leave at noon. Coaches come it at 7:30. We watch the game as an offensive staff, certify stats, and talk about corrections. We then begin to break down our next opponent by watching their last game. Once kids leave we watch our opponent as a staff. We then leave about 1pm.It is vital for the kids to be able to stretch, get treatment, and watch the film. Having them come in and get the blood flowing helps them recover.
Sunday is all coaches. We work on our game plan, scout cards etc. We also go through practice schedules and scripts for the week. Each coach has a role they play. Coming together to finalize everything is very beneficial.
We are in a situation where we play 4 or 5 Thursday night TV games each year. After a Thursday game we do our Saturday on Friday. The coordinators and head coach will go scout someone live. I sometimes take may wife and daughter. We will eat dinner then watch half of the game together.
There are many ways to make this work. Find what works for you.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 25, 2019 6:40:10 GMT -6
SATURDAY MORNING: Staff in at 8:30, players in at 9. Varsity players do yoga while junior varsity lifts. Defensive guys start tagging next opponent's film. When finished with yoga, varsity guys watch film from previous night(defense in one room-offense in another), and junior varsity does a walk-through. We will not watch entire game. Since most of us coaches have viewed film before arriving at school, we usually show 15 clips(The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly). Players are dismissed by 11:00; coaches are finished by noon at the latest.
SATURDAY AFTERNOON: Sometimes we have to scout, but this is rare since most of our opponents play at night. If we are not scouting we are off to do work at home. I usually have to finish tagging film, so I do that. One thing that helps is having one of our young assistants tag the simple stuff (O/D/K, down, distance, yard line, hash, run/pass). All I have to tag is formation and play. Once all the tagging is completed, I then do the tendency stuff.
SUNDAY MORNING: Informal staff meeting at 8:00. It's informal because some guys have young families and some have older/grown kids. We break into offensive and defensive staffs and work on game plan. When we're finished, we discuss Monday's practice; that's it. We're usually finished by 10 or 11 AM.
This Sunday meeting really helps us get ready for Monday since our Monday practice is more than some running and film-watching. Monday is a real practice.
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Post by funkfriss on Jun 25, 2019 10:21:23 GMT -6
I think a lot has to do with your location, school size, culture, etc.
Being a small school with multi-sport athletes I feel that having kids come in over the weekend is too much. The majority of our kids aren’t living and dying football and putting in six days throughout a long season is tough. Also, keeping reserves motivated to come in early on Saturdays was always a problem in the past and you start dealing with the excuses of not showing up which slowly start trickling into the guys that do play. Therefore, it seemed more beneficial to not come in on Saturdays and I feel we have less burnout as a result.
I think like most things you’ll find that people are successful doing it both ways and you, or whoever the HC is, have to decide what is best for your team.
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Post by center on Jun 25, 2019 11:45:05 GMT -6
We never brought kids in on Saturday when I was a HC. Our league was mixed in that way. Some did, some didn’t. Did not correlate directly with wins and losses among the teams I knew of.
But I do see some value in Saturday’s. In a perfect world it would be nice to have injuries checked, treatments, and a first look at film.
You can address hard feelings sooner, get last nights game out of the system sooner, etc.
But it does cut into a big chunk of free time for kids and coaches. And what if kids miss? What is excused/unexcused? Penalties?
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Post by silkyice on Jun 25, 2019 12:23:48 GMT -6
And what if kids miss? What is excused/unexcused? Penalties? 100 yard bear crawl for missing. Not awful, but not easy. Nothing excused (within reason - i.e. not making a do a bear crawl cause he went to a funeral). If you miss and I did not know you would miss, 200 yard bear crawl. |
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Post by blb on Jun 25, 2019 14:20:00 GMT -6
And what if kids miss? What is excused/unexcused? Penalties? 100 yard bear crawl for missing. Not awful, but not easy. Nothing excused (within reason - i.e. not making a do a bear crawl cause he went to a funeral). If you miss and I did not know you would miss, 200 yard bear crawl.
silkyice Does this work for you?
Reads like a way to discourage kids from playing-being part of the team-program.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 14:39:13 GMT -6
Both of the better programs I at did NOT do saturday practices,
1 gave weekends off completely, that was their day(s) to rest be a kid whatever, the other had films and lifts on Sunday am
The other held a walkthrough then lift/Films on Monday
Both were Nationally ranked at one point
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Post by silkyice on Jun 25, 2019 14:39:21 GMT -6
100 yard bear crawl for missing. Not awful, but not easy. Nothing excused (within reason - i.e. not making a do a bear crawl cause he went to a funeral). If you miss and I did not know you would miss, 200 yard bear crawl.
silkyice Does this work for you?
Reads like a way to discourage kids from playing-being part of the team-program.
Yes, it works. I am 99.9999% positive that this doesn't even enter a kid's mind for a reason for not playing. 100 yard bear crawl is really not that bad. It isn't fun, but it isn't awful at all. I even have kids come up to me after practice on Wednesday (day doesn't matter), and say, "I have to miss on Saturday, can I go ahead and get my bear crawl done?" The kids also have to do a 100 yard bear crawl to use the bathroom during practice. While that sounds crazy, the kids accept it. If they are willing to do a bear crawl to use the bathroom when it isn't break time, that means they really need to go. You also get a bear crawl for being late. Just kind of my standard infraction discipline. I make the kids ride the bus back with team from away games. If some reason their parents need them to ride with them, fine. But you own me a 100 yard bear crawl. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 25, 2019 14:48:59 GMT -6
100 yard bear crawl for missing. Not awful, but not easy. Nothing excused (within reason - i.e. not making a do a bear crawl cause he went to a funeral). If you miss and I did not know you would miss, 200 yard bear crawl.
silkyice Does this work for you?
Reads like a way to discourage kids from playing-being part of the team-program.
I think it is going to be a culture thing, particularly geographic. I have never been associated with a program here down south that didn't come in on Saturdays. Also, never been a part of a program where Monday wasn't a "real" practice. I was shocked to read about coaches at other places not coming in on Saturdays and then basically doing what was our Saturday practice (film, weights, maybe a walkthrough of opponents formations ) on Monday. Just my opinion, but if coming in for a couple of hours on a Saturday morning is the deciding factor for a kid, I am not sure if that kid is going to be a step up contributor for a decent club. |
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Post by larrymoe on Jun 25, 2019 15:45:39 GMT -6
Saturday or No?
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Post by coachplaa on Jun 25, 2019 16:09:56 GMT -6
I've never done Saturdays at the large urban school I'm at because I'd have a variety of GOOD reasons why kid couldn't be there. I don't feel like it has ever hurt us.
When I was at a small rural school, I would do Saturdays during playoffs and the kids thought it was something special so I had no issues. And then we'd walk to donuts after so the kids were all about it.
The only time we have done it is when we play a rare Thursday night game the next week and I feel like we need Saturday to fix/flush the game so Monday is truly a clean slate.
I used to believe in Saturdays only during playoffs but I find that more and more by November you are flirting with growing the burnout that is already there with some kids (and coaches).
I'm intrigued with technology now how to deliver game plans more securely and holding kids accountable for knowing the game plan. Whether it be just using Hudl playlists and a google form, or actually using a classroom quiz app and Google slides.
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Post by mrjvi on Jun 25, 2019 16:23:51 GMT -6
No saturdays most of the time, sometimes during playoffs. We usually have half of our games on Saturdays, though.
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Post by bleefb on Jun 27, 2019 18:49:31 GMT -6
silkyice Does this work for you?
Reads like a way to discourage kids from playing-being part of the team-program.
I think it is going to be a culture thing, particularly geographic. I have never been associated with a program here down south that didn't come in on Saturdays. Also, never been a part of a program where Monday wasn't a "real" practice. I was shocked to read about coaches at other places not coming in on Saturdays and then basically doing what was our Saturday practice (film, weights, maybe a walkthrough of opponents formations ) on Monday. Just my opinion, but if coming in for a couple of hours on a Saturday morning is the deciding factor for a kid, I am not sure if that kid is going to be a step up contributor for a decent club. I think it is a culture thing. We've had this discussion before in our area (Northern California) And there didn't seem to be a correlation between Saturdays and success. Some of our most successful teams in the area never practiced on Saturday, some of the worst ones did, and vice versa. The general consensus seemed to be if you like it, do it, if you don't like it, don't do it. It's just a matter of personal preference more than anything. |
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Post by coachlit on Jun 28, 2019 11:17:14 GMT -6
We come in on Saturdays to label film and gameplan for the next week. The kids come in about an hour after we do to do a quick warm-up and film of the previous night's game. The attendance is always poor and the kids are still asleep in film. I'm not sure if it really helps us with the kids coming in that Saturday.
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Post by wolverine55 on Jun 28, 2019 13:22:24 GMT -6
Of the five programs I've coached with, four have brought kids in on Saturdays. The first program was a little different in that we played our freshmen games on Saturday mornings, so the Sophs-varsity came in and watched a little bit of film from the previous night's game, the sophomores had a short walk-through as they played Monday night, and then they stayed and watched the freshmen game if the freshmen were home.
The other three programs I didn't feel we did anything to justify the kids being there on Saturday. Maybe we could now with Hudl but film wasn't productive because we coaches hadn't seen it either so we would have to watch each clip multiple times to give any feedback at all and we all know how long the attention spans were--coaches included--as this was going on. Then, sometimes we did some light conditioning, sometimes we didn't. Granted, it was probably largely our fault for not giving enough structure/organization to the Saturday morning sessions, but again I don't think our kids got anything out of it.
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