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Post by coachandrewhvincent on May 9, 2023 8:00:09 GMT -6
I've worked for about five different head coaches and everyone has been different. I worked on a 3 man staff that didn't meet at all on the weekends, just communicated through text. I've worked on a 10 man staff that worked saturday and sunday. Most have been in between and worked Sunday afternoon. Just wondering how everyone breaks theirs down and what is your preferred method.
I saw a quote this morning that said "the only people who are going to remember that you worked overtime is your kids"... That's kind of why I brought this up. What do yall say?
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Post by wolverine55 on May 9, 2023 8:08:35 GMT -6
We only have Friday games in Iowa, for the most part. Only a few occasional Thursday and Saturday varsity games sprinkled in throughout the whole state. We have Saturday "off" as a staff, but we're normally exchanging some ideas through text throughout the day both in regards to the previous night's game and upcoming opponent. I have found my life is way easier if I go ahead and get tackle stats done Saturday morning and then spend the rest of the day with family or just relaxing.
We then meet as a staff from 9-noon or so Sunday morning. This is where the bulk of game-planning is done, but again we're still exchanging some ideas throughout the day via text before the HC finalizes everything by Monday early afternoon so he can get scouting reports printed. We utilize Google Docs to get a good chunk of the report done before the Sunday meeting and then finished up afterward on our own time as well.
One more thing that helps me personally is I spend a good chunk of my Thursday and Friday free time looking ahead at the next week's opponent to help save some weekend time.
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Post by wolverine55 on May 9, 2023 8:11:20 GMT -6
I'll add that I've coached for 5 programs under 9 different HCs in a 21-year span. I've never worked for a coach that had us meet both Saturday and Sundays. However, I did work for one who set the meeting times for Saturday afternoon and if we were done by 8 p.m. or so, that was considered short! I did also work for another who set the meeting times for 5 p.m. Sunday evening and sometimes it felt like I wasn't going to make first hour class on Monday on time! I kid...kind of...
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Post by olcoach53 on May 9, 2023 8:16:04 GMT -6
ALMOST worked for a guy who made Saturdays mandatory and made sure the coaches knew it would be an 8am to 8pm day. Promptly took a team destined for 10-0 and finished 5-5. Most wins he has had in his tenure has been 6 in a season.
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Post by realdawg on May 9, 2023 8:19:13 GMT -6
I am the HC and DC. I generally complete stats for O and D after the game Friday while uniforms are washing. I don’t sleep much Friday night. I get up early Saturday and break down our film from Friday and our opponents film for the next week. This generally takes me until early afternoon and I try to spend time with my family Saturday afternoon. I am exchanging texts with our staff as I see fit. But generally try to lay off of that if possible. Our coaches have Saturday off. But I do expect them to have graded their position when they come to our meetings Sunday. Many of them watch some opposition film on their own. But that’s up to them. Sunday I go to church with my fam and then go to school. Our O staff meets from 1 until 4 or so. D staff comes in at 5 and meets until 8 or 9. I try to get there early and get th practice field mowed so I don’t have to do that Monday. After meetings finish up I go home and do the next day’s practice schedule and script and generally get in the bed about 11. I’m very much a creature of habit and very routine oriented. So this doesn’t vary much. And when something like a family get together changes my routine it tears my nerves up
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Post by woodyboyd on May 9, 2023 8:41:05 GMT -6
Program 1: Saturday 7:00am-9:00am Varsity Coaches watch game film 9:00am-11:00am Varsity players watch film and lift with varsity coaches, JV game 12:00pm-3:00pm Breakdown film of upcoming opponent Sunday 9:00am-3:00pm Finish film review and game planning for upcoming week 3 wins in 3 years
Program 2 Saturday 9:00am-1:00pm Varsity coaches watch film with players, JV game 1:00pm-8:00pm or later Varsity coaches breakdown upcoming opponent and game plan Sunday Off 13 state titles in 21 years
Program 3 Saturday 7:00am-8:00am Varsity coaches debrief on previous game 8:00am-9:00am Varsity players lift 9:00am-10:00am Varsity players watch game film 10:00am-12:00pm JV Game 10:00am-12:00pm Varsity coaches breakdown upcoming opponent and game plane Sunday Off 6 trips to playoffs in 7 years 5 conference titles
No perfect way to do things.
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Post by CS on May 9, 2023 8:55:22 GMT -6
There are zero reasons in this day and age to meet on the weekends
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Post by rsmith627 on May 9, 2023 8:58:34 GMT -6
Game - Friday night We hang out in the fieldhouse after and roll through the film together. We usually order food and relax while it's on. Nothing too formal or serious. Really it's just time to unwind. Sometimes we head to a coach's house after to celebrate the W or mourn the L.
Saturday - nothing official. Watch film from the previous game on our own, get the next scout film loaded in/broken down.
Sunday - Exchange texts in our offensive and defensive group threads. Occasionally we'll have a zoom meeting but not often.
Monday - hit the grind and get ready to win on Friday.
Even though we were a new varsity staff last year our new HC was fortunate to be able to plug us all in from lower levels and keep continuity going. We've all been blessed to be around each other for almost a decade (some of us longer in a few cases) and had a good rapport and the ability to communicate without having to be "grinders" throwing out our weekends and family time.
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Post by lws55 on May 9, 2023 9:40:33 GMT -6
Friday - After the game, break down field get laundry started. Go home have a bourbon if we won, have multiple if we lost.
Saturday - On our own, grade players from the game, start breaking down next weeks opponent. Text through out the day with fellow coaches (I am an early riser, sleeping in for me is 6 a.m. so I usually have this done by 9 or 10) spend the day with the family. Finish laundry, we have a rotation so no one coach is doing it every weekend.
Sunday - meet as a staff after church, go over grades, injury report, talk as a staff about what needs to be the focus of the week. Break out into Defense and offense gameplan until 4. Players come in for meetings and film. Home by 6 at the latest
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Post by veerman on May 9, 2023 9:41:11 GMT -6
Worked at 8 different schools, under 9 different HCs. Things have changed quite a bit over the 20 years. When I first started we all meet on Saturdays, and meet for around 6-7 hrs (some of that time was waiting for VHS tapes to be dubbed off for coaches). After a few years you still meet on Saturdays, but didn't have to meet as long (around 4-5)cause of the DVD multi burner towers made copies faster, and the DSV program gave % of opponents quicker. With HUDL and the way technology is today, you really don't ever have to meet in person if you didn't want to. Google meet and Zoom allows you to meet together as a group whenever and wherever, as a coaching staff or as an entire team. Our HC from two years ago lived about 30 min from school, we would get on Sunday night and meet as a staff for a couple hours, then the players would get on as we would watch film with them and show them film of the next opponent. We would not meet with players more than hr and half. Staff would meet for various lengths of time depending.
After everything, I'm 100% in favor of meeting google meet or zoom. You can get everything you need done and your kids know that daddy is home if they really need him, but can still have a private group meeting if you need as well. Players can still have film study and it helps their families out as well. Your coaching, your scheme, and knowing what your opponents are doing only makes up about 10% of the outcome, and at times not even that.
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Post by QBCoachDurham on May 9, 2023 9:58:53 GMT -6
I am the HC and OC. We DO NOT meet as a staff on the weekend. I do the stats from Friday on Saturday morning, and that's the only thing I do on Saturday. On Sunday, I spend most of the day reviewing the previous game and planning for the next. I do take a lunch break and my sons and I go to Moe's. Everyone works independently from home. Each coach is required to submit a report on their position to the DC or myself by Sunday afternoon. The OL coach and I talk on Sunday afternoon. All game plan info is distributed via google drive. The defensive coaches talk throughout the day, as needed. The DC and I talk on Sunday evening. Been doing it this way for 10 years. We've won over 70% of our games, and I've only had one coach leave my staff, and that was because he took an admin job.
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Post by mrjvi on May 9, 2023 10:05:46 GMT -6
As the head coach we never met on the weekend. That's over 40 years. Staff stayed together because they had family life on weekends. We might stay late after Monday's practice if we needed to.
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Post by jstoss24 on May 9, 2023 10:09:12 GMT -6
HS Program 1 Saturdays: Off Sundays: Meet 6-8 or 9 I coached the freshman team which worked almost as an autonomous unit during the regular season, so we met for about an hour as a full staff to recap the previous week and take care of any general housekeeping and then an hour as a freshman staff to go over the gameplan for the week.
I then spent 4 years in college ball. At best 12 hour days both Saturday and Sunday.
HS Program 2 Saturdays: started out with a lift and film session Saturday mornings from 7-10. We did that for about 3 weeks and then we scrapped it. Between my 90 minute commute and wanting to limit COVID close contacts, our HC decided we weren't getting enough out of those days to make it worth it. Sundays: Google Meet from 7-8:30 or so. Quick full staff get together, then the rest of the meeting was mostly for defense, since I was the only assistant coach on the offensive side of the ball.
HS Program 3 Saturdays: Nothing scheduled, but we each have film breakdown responsibilities to have done by the staff meeting on Sunday. I try to get as much done as possible before my wife wakes up. Sundays: Staff meeting at 7. These meetings were in person for the first 5 weeks and then we moved them to Google Meet. For the first 45 minutes or so, we meet as a whole staff, then we split O/D. Defense is usually done in 10 minutes after we split. Last year, our OL coach would fight our HC on everything and we would sometimes stay as an offensive staff for over an hour without accomplishing anything. Luckily, that OL coach has gone on to waste another coaching staff's time, so I'm hopeful our meetings will be much quicker this year.
When I am in charge, I'd like to eliminate weekend meetings altogether. I think as long as everyone can get their share of breakdowns and gameplanning done when they have time, we don't need to waste anyone's time with a meeting that could've been an email. I can call anybody that I need to talk to at length and I can send messages to the whole staff to discuss housekeeping stuff. I love football and it's a huge part of my life, but it is not my life. I don't think it's fair to my wife and future kids to be at work 12+ hours a day M-F and then spend the whole weekend working on top of that. If not having weekend meetings will keep me from ever winning anything, at least I can say I did my best as a husband and father.
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Post by wolverine55 on May 9, 2023 10:10:14 GMT -6
Personally, I feel better about things if we meet face-to-face, but if a HC ever said we weren't in-person meeting on a weekend, it wouldn't necessarily bother me either. Every now and then, our HC will have some family stuff come up (or like last year, we were 2-6 going into Week 9) to where we won't meet that particular weekend. I don't think we're any less prepared for those games.
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Post by fantom on May 9, 2023 10:14:42 GMT -6
After a Friday game (Not a given since we always had a couple Thursday and/or Saturday games):
Saturday- JV game then coaches watch film on their own. Coordinators put together tentative game plans.
Sunday: Staff meeting at 5. Coaches discuss whatever- personnel, program matters, upcoming events, whatever- then watch Friday's game as a group. Next we'll watch some film of the upcoming opponent. After that coordinators will present tentative game plans and maybe add some tweaks. The last couple of years defensively that was often, "We ain't changing anything". If it went later than 8 that usually meant that we got off on a tangent BSing or we didn't have any answers and were about to get our a$$es kicked.
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Post by raider92 on May 9, 2023 10:23:08 GMT -6
We meet on Sunday evenings around 7pm so that its after supper and kids are winding down. We only meet for about an hour and a half and its usually focused more on improving practices and fixing our own issues than it is on opponents.
Our defensive staff may meet a little longer as they've got more opponent-specific stuff to work thru.
Our offensive gameplanning meeting is usually about 5 minutes long. We try to predict how the opponent will line up to our Wing-T and then say "ok, we will run Wing-T against that." It's honestly a huge benefit. Theres no complex game-planning theres just executing the system and calling plays as the system dictates.
As far as weekend meetings in general I feel much more comfortable at least having a short face to face on Sunday but we could easily do the same thing on Monday morning if we needed to. We don't go outside for Monday practices we just watch film and lift so we essentially do what a lot of folks do on Saturday on Monday. We balance that out by hitting a lot more on Tuesday-Thursday than most programs do anymore.
I've gotten a lot of feedback from coaches over the years about hating doing the all day Saturday stuff and saying they wouldnt coach if they had to do that. Take that for what it's worth
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 9, 2023 10:41:03 GMT -6
Used to work Saturday and Sunday all day breaking down tendenies and then developing the plan.
However, I think most teams you play would be willing to do an early film exchange, like a couple weeks prior to your game week so you can both get a head start and not have to deal with the tedious tasks during the weekends and can actually work on what matters and spend time with family.
If they don't want to do an early film exchange, you can probably get their film from other avenues.
You can divide the work amongst your staff and since it's not as high stakes and you're not dealing with the post game day issues, clearer heads are often plugging in the data Monday-Thursday a couple of weeks before you actually play.
So for example, Opponent 1- You can only exchange scrimmage film so nothing you can do about that. Opponent 2- You exchange scrimmage film during week 1 and break that down during the game 1 week. Opponent 3- You breakdown their scrimmage during game 1 week and 1st game during game 2 week.
And so on and so forth.
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Post by raider92 on May 9, 2023 11:05:58 GMT -6
Used to work Saturday and Sunday all day breaking down tendenies and then developing the plan. However, I think most teams you play would be willing to do an early film exchange, like a couple weeks prior to your game week so you can both get a head start and not have to deal with the tedious tasks during the weekends and can actually work on what matters and spend time with family. If they don't want to do an early film exchange, you can probably get their film from other avenues. You can divide the work amongst your staff and since it's not as high stakes and you're not dealing with the post game day issues, clearer heads are often plugging in the data Monday-Thursday a couple of weeks before you actually play. So for example, Opponent 1- You can only exchange scrimmage film so nothing you can do about that. Opponent 2- You exchange scrimmage film during week 1 and break that down during the game 1 week. Opponent 3- You breakdown their scrimmage during game 1 week and 1st game during game 2 week. And so on and so forth. This is where having a league pool is really nice. Everyone gets everyone else's film as soon as it's in the pool. If your district/conference doesnt do it already I'd highly recommend contacting the other coaches and getting it going
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 9, 2023 11:46:17 GMT -6
Used to work Saturday and Sunday all day breaking down tendenies and then developing the plan. However, I think most teams you play would be willing to do an early film exchange, like a couple weeks prior to your game week so you can both get a head start and not have to deal with the tedious tasks during the weekends and can actually work on what matters and spend time with family. If they don't want to do an early film exchange, you can probably get their film from other avenues. You can divide the work amongst your staff and since it's not as high stakes and you're not dealing with the post game day issues, clearer heads are often plugging in the data Monday-Thursday a couple of weeks before you actually play. So for example, Opponent 1- You can only exchange scrimmage film so nothing you can do about that. Opponent 2- You exchange scrimmage film during week 1 and break that down during the game 1 week. Opponent 3- You breakdown their scrimmage during game 1 week and 1st game during game 2 week. And so on and so forth. This is where having a league pool is really nice. Everyone gets everyone else's film as soon as it's in the pool. If your district/conference doesnt do it already I'd highly recommend contacting the other coaches and getting it going Agreed. Problem is that we have more non-league games than league games because our leagues here in Southern California have gotten so small because you know, everyone needs to get a trophy.
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Post by jg78 on May 9, 2023 15:42:31 GMT -6
This thread has reminded me of why I don’t coach anymore.
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Post by larrymoe on May 9, 2023 17:20:27 GMT -6
As a HC, we met as a staff on Saturdays from 8 or 9 (I honestly can't remember- and it was fluid in case someone had something going on) until noon. That was it. We watched our film, and highlights of the upcoming opponent. We talked about what we wanted to do, what we thought we'd see and come to a bit of a consensus on what was going to happen. I'd ask if they thought we needed to work on anything in particular, they made suggestions and we left. Me and the DC (a former HC) would communicate via text the rest of the weekend on ideas, but that was the extent of football for us over the weekend.
I've been on staffs that brought kids in on Saturdays and it was just a giant waste of time. I hated it. I vowed before I became HC I'd never do that and I didn't.
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Post by rsmith627 on May 10, 2023 5:30:49 GMT -6
As a HC, we met as a staff on Saturdays from 8 or 9 (I honestly can't remember- and it was fluid in case someone had something going on) until noon. That was it. We watched our film, and highlights of the upcoming opponent. We talked about what we wanted to do, what we thought we'd see and come to a bit of a consensus on what was going to happen. I'd ask if they thought we needed to work on anything in particular, they made suggestions and we left. Me and the DC (a former HC) would communicate via text the rest of the weekend on ideas, but that was the extent of football for us over the weekend. I've been on staffs that brought kids in on Saturdays and it was just a giant waste of time. I hated it. I vowed before I became HC I'd never do that and I didn't. I was on a staff where coaches came in on Saturday morning at 5am to go through film after playing on Friday night. Did film with the kids at 7, workout with them after, and then coaches meetings til about 1pm. Was miserable. Was only there for a year but we went 1-9. Really made me hate football.
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Post by bulldogsdc on May 10, 2023 7:53:23 GMT -6
Friday night post game- have a drink and watch the film. Give my wife an idea of the amount of cakes she has to make for the OL. Cake= dude planted on his shoulder blades. Sat AM while everyone is sleeping-Grade OL and TEs. Two Teens at home and a wife that loves to sleep in. no missed "Family time" Sat PM do what ever my wife wants to do. Sunday AM Look at opponent- Everyone is asleep. Sunday Staff meeting 1:00 to 5:00. HC's wife makes us lunch. No one is late! About an hour talking about previous game while eating. We look at how the opponent has played us in the past. We try to find opponent lining up against anything close to what we run. (21 personal with a real TE not a TE that is really a FB)
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Post by CS on May 10, 2023 8:30:17 GMT -6
As a HC, we met as a staff on Saturdays from 8 or 9 (I honestly can't remember- and it was fluid in case someone had something going on) until noon. That was it. We watched our film, and highlights of the upcoming opponent. We talked about what we wanted to do, what we thought we'd see and come to a bit of a consensus on what was going to happen. I'd ask if they thought we needed to work on anything in particular, they made suggestions and we left. Me and the DC (a former HC) would communicate via text the rest of the weekend on ideas, but that was the extent of football for us over the weekend. I've been on staffs that brought kids in on Saturdays and it was just a giant waste of time. I hated it. I vowed before I became HC I'd never do that and I didn't. I was on a staff where coaches came in on Saturday morning at 5am to go through film after playing on Friday night. Did film with the kids at 7, workout with them after, and then coaches meetings til about 1pm. Was miserable. Was only there for a year but we went 1-9. Really made me hate football. I was on a staff that was just like this except we were 2-8. If it doesn't equal wins then I don't want to do it
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Post by rsmith627 on May 10, 2023 8:35:11 GMT -6
I was on a staff where coaches came in on Saturday morning at 5am to go through film after playing on Friday night. Did film with the kids at 7, workout with them after, and then coaches meetings til about 1pm. Was miserable. Was only there for a year but we went 1-9. Really made me hate football. I was on a staff that was just like this except we were 2-8. If it doesn't equal wins then I don't want to do it 100% agree. I get into it with some guys now because whenever someone proposes we do something new (often busy work) my first question is how does this equate to more winning on Fridays? Usually it won't because we were in the semifinals last year. Now I get you can always do things to get better, but I'm not loading my weekends with more chit if it isn't going to get us over that semi-final hump.
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Post by tripsclosed on May 10, 2023 9:03:09 GMT -6
I was on a staff that was just like this except we were 2-8. If it doesn't equal wins then I don't want to do it 100% agree. I get into it with some guys now because whenever someone proposes we do something new (often busy work) my first question is how does this equate to more winning on Fridays? Usually it won't because we were in the semifinals last year. Now I get you can always do things to get better, but I'm not loading my weekends with more chit if it isn't going to get us over that semi-final hump. I think esp in high school, you run into diminishing returns. You can put in a bunch of work on game film and gameplanning, but how big of a difference is it going to make? In the college, and definitely pro game, you have to be complex and have a lot of variation both to handle your opponents who are also being complex and varied, and to present complexity and variation to your opponents so you aren't easy pickings for them...That takes a lot of time and work. But in HS (with some exceptions), when most of your opponents run power/counter, a trap, power pass, a few screens, a few sprint outs, and Cover 3 and Cover 0 on defense, how much is there really to break down and analyze, and prepare for?
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Post by MICoach on May 10, 2023 9:09:47 GMT -6
We've done it a few ways
School 1 we would split Hudl entries between position coaches on Saturday then meet for like 6 hours on Sundays, 2 of which were film and lift with the players - highly successful program with most kids living close to school. Staff would meet briefly to go over any pressing stuff then we'd split to O and D for the rest of the time. Watch previous game, some scout film, then gameplan and draw all of the week's scout cards. I didn't think we needed to meet for as long as we did but we were successful so hard to argue it.
School 2 we met Sunday nights from about 7 to 8:30 - watched most of the previous game as a full staff then split O/D. I was coaching OL and the HC would usually already have his gameplan pretty much together. He'd go over it with the staff and we'd be done. D would stay later a lot of the time getting their scout cards together. I liked the brevity of the meetings, but hated having them Sunday night. The HC did a ton of work (breakdown all the film, have good suggestions for DC) and probably could've delegated some of it.
School 3 no planned meetings, offense communicated via text and phone if needed. We'd split Hudl work up between 2-3 different offensive coaches and try to have it done by Sunday afternoon. Depending on the week I may do my breakdowns and gameplanning anywhere between Friday night and Sunday during the first round of NFL games. I don't think the D met at all, probably needed more meeting time here.
Currently I'm trying to figure out what works best with the other coaches on my side of the ball. My expectation is to spend Saturday doing film/breakdowns/entry and try to have a short meeting Sunday night before splitting up. We can do scout cards and stuff independently, I don't think that needs to be done at school.
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 10, 2023 9:40:38 GMT -6
As a HC, we met as a staff on Saturdays from 8 or 9 (I honestly can't remember- and it was fluid in case someone had something going on) until noon. That was it. We watched our film, and highlights of the upcoming opponent. We talked about what we wanted to do, what we thought we'd see and come to a bit of a consensus on what was going to happen. I'd ask if they thought we needed to work on anything in particular, they made suggestions and we left. Me and the DC (a former HC) would communicate via text the rest of the weekend on ideas, but that was the extent of football for us over the weekend. I've been on staffs that brought kids in on Saturdays and it was just a giant waste of time. I hated it. I vowed before I became HC I'd never do that and I didn't. I was on a staff where coaches came in on Saturday morning at 5am to go through film after playing on Friday night. Did film with the kids at 7, workout with them after, and then coaches meetings til about 1pm. Was miserable. Was only there for a year but we went 1-9. Really made me hate football. Question for you. Did you have the rest of Saturday off and Sunday also? If so, a 6 hour weekend doesn't seem all that terrible to me. You get the rest of your Saturday afternoon to watch college ball, drink beer, hang with the family, etc. And a free Sunday.
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Post by fantom on May 10, 2023 9:48:02 GMT -6
I was on a staff where coaches came in on Saturday morning at 5am to go through film after playing on Friday night. Did film with the kids at 7, workout with them after, and then coaches meetings til about 1pm. Was miserable. Was only there for a year but we went 1-9. Really made me hate football. Question for you. Did you have the rest of Saturday off and Sunday also? If so, a 6 hour weekend doesn't seem all that terrible to me. You get the rest of your Saturday afternoon to watch college ball, drink beer, hang with the family, etc. And a free Sunday. I don't know about rsmith but to me meeting at 5 AM after a night game is a non-starter.
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Post by rsmith627 on May 10, 2023 9:48:45 GMT -6
I was on a staff where coaches came in on Saturday morning at 5am to go through film after playing on Friday night. Did film with the kids at 7, workout with them after, and then coaches meetings til about 1pm. Was miserable. Was only there for a year but we went 1-9. Really made me hate football. Question for you. Did you have the rest of Saturday off and Sunday also? If so, a 6 hour weekend doesn't seem all that terrible to me. You get the rest of your Saturday afternoon to watch college ball, drink beer, hang with the family, etc. And a free Sunday. Nah. It was Utah so nothing on the sabbath. My bigger beef was having to wake up at 4:30 after getting home at midnight to go watch 6 hours of film when none of it would've made a difference anyway.
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