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Post by rsmith627 on May 10, 2023 10:02:42 GMT -6
Question for you. Did you have the rest of Saturday off and Sunday also? If so, a 6 hour weekend doesn't seem all that terrible to me. You get the rest of your Saturday afternoon to watch college ball, drink beer, hang with the family, etc. And a free Sunday. I don't know about rsmith but to me meeting at 5 AM after a night game is a non-starter. That was really my complaint. I don't have an issue meeting. It was meeting on 3.5-4 hours of sleep at best that was my issue. Some staffs meet more than others. Is what it is, but let me get some dang sleep first!
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Post by wolverine55 on May 10, 2023 10:02:48 GMT -6
Question for you. Did you have the rest of Saturday off and Sunday also? If so, a 6 hour weekend doesn't seem all that terrible to me. You get the rest of your Saturday afternoon to watch college ball, drink beer, hang with the family, etc. And a free Sunday. I don't know about rsmith but to me meeting at 5 AM after a night game is a non-starter. I worked for a program where we met at 8 a.m. Saturday mornings and it was rough sometimes.
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Post by coachcb on May 10, 2023 10:58:12 GMT -6
I don't know about rsmith but to me meeting at 5 AM after a night game is a non-starter. I worked for a program where we met at 8 a.m. Saturday mornings and it was rough sometimes.
Agreed.... We met on a Saturday morning once at 8am after pulling into the school parking lot at 3am. Four cups of coffee and I still couldn't put together a coherent thought.
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Post by olcoach53 on May 10, 2023 11:01:32 GMT -6
Once had a HC tell us we were going to meet at 7AM on Saturday after a bad loss. Screamed that he wanted each of our films watched and graded before the 7am meeting and we probably got back at 1am. Myself, the RB coach and the DC all stayed in our offices until about 3am watching and grading and then turned around and got back to school at 6:45am or so for the meeting...HC cancelled it via text around 7:15
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Post by tripsclosed on May 10, 2023 11:26:20 GMT -6
Once had a HC tell us we were going to meet at 7AM on Saturday after a bad loss. Screamed that he wanted each of our films watched and graded before the 7am meeting and we probably got back at 1am. Myself, the RB coach and the DC all stayed in our offices until about 3am watching and grading and then turned around and got back to school at 6:45am or so for the meeting...HC cancelled it via text around 7:15 See ya, coach! 😄
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Post by blb on May 10, 2023 11:59:50 GMT -6
My philosophy was after games we were going to celebrate or commiserate together (including wives) with food and beverages, usually at my house.
Once had a staff where I was the only married guy. When I would finally go to bed around 12:30-1 AM I would tell them when they were done pick up the cans, turn out the lights, and lock the door on their way out.
Saturdays were off for coaches and kids as far as getting together. Coaches would watch-evaluate-breakdown film at their leisure.
Sundays we would meet as staff for couple hours (usually 3-5 pm), then show game film and some of next opponent to Varsity (5-7 pm).
The older I got the less I wanted to meet-watch film. I did it because it was necessary to have a chance to win until I got to the point I didn't want to spend my weekends in the fall that way anymore (after 41 years).
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Post by larrymoe on May 10, 2023 12:05:39 GMT -6
Once had a HC tell us we were going to meet at 7AM on Saturday after a bad loss. Screamed that he wanted each of our films watched and graded before the 7am meeting and we probably got back at 1am. Myself, the RB coach and the DC all stayed in our offices until about 3am watching and grading and then turned around and got back to school at 6:45am or so for the meeting...HC cancelled it via text around 7:15 That would be one beat to {censored} HC... In reality though, you can't take a person seriously after an episode like that. Tip #136 on head coaching- never threaten something and fail to follow through with it.
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Post by CS on May 10, 2023 12:45:14 GMT -6
When I have a chance to do it again we will have what we need to get done over the weekend and meet as a staff at 6 or 6:30 Monday morning to make sure we have a chance to speak face to face and be done with it. If we got to a point where I thought 30 mins was enough to get done what we needed then I would move it to 7 am
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Post by 3rdandlong on May 10, 2023 12:48:40 GMT -6
I hear you on the 5 am wake up call. I think 8 am would suffice.
I've been on staffs that met for a long time on both Saturday and Sunday. This was in a days of VHS/DVD's. Once everything went web based it made it a lot easier.
This last season, half of the staff (including myself) came in at 8 am to work with the kids for 2 hours. We would stretch, do a light lift, and a light run. We then would watch a 20-30 play cut up of the previous night. Of course we would talk about any pressing issues. Friday nights are emotional and a lot happen. I think it's good to have immediate feedback after a good night's rest..... I should also add that our games are all relatively local and no more than 20 mile drives since Los Angeles County has such a dense population so 8 am isn't wild. We also usually drink some cold ones at a watering hole after Friday night as a staff.
After the kids leave so does the staff and we each do our Hudl column work on our own... This is where having film early helps. The more film we have early on, the less we need to chart on Saturday. We meet again on Sunday afternoon for no more than 2 hours. The Sunday meeting allows coordinators to discuss the plan with the coaches and for us to also have a quick climate check before we head into the week.
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Post by jstoss24 on May 10, 2023 15:44:51 GMT -6
I don't know about rsmith but to me meeting at 5 AM after a night game is a non-starter. That was really my complaint. I don't have an issue meeting. It was meeting on 3.5-4 hours of sleep at best that was my issue. Some staffs meet more than others. Is what it is, but let me get some dang sleep first! One of the many factors that got me out of college ball. Leaving the office at 10 and having meetings at 5 the next morning 5 days a week was not for me.
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Post by rsmith627 on May 10, 2023 16:02:46 GMT -6
That was really my complaint. I don't have an issue meeting. It was meeting on 3.5-4 hours of sleep at best that was my issue. Some staffs meet more than others. Is what it is, but let me get some dang sleep first! One of the many factors that got me out of college ball. Leaving the office at 10 and having meetings at 5 the next morning 5 days a week was not for me. I don't know if I'd mind it as much if my job was just football but I could see getting burned out on that as well. I didn't add we would also meet at 5ams on Monday before school. I had 4 preps that year (one was AP) and was struggling to get all my chit done for the classroom because I also had a newborn at the time.
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Post by Defcord on May 10, 2023 18:29:55 GMT -6
I am the HC and OC. We DO NOT meet as a staff on the weekend. I do the stats from Friday on Saturday morning, and that's the only thing I do on Saturday. On Sunday, I spend most of the day reviewing the previous game and planning for the next. I do take a lunch break and my sons and I go to Moe's. Everyone works independently from home. Each coach is required to submit a report on their position to the DC or myself by Sunday afternoon. The OL coach and I talk on Sunday afternoon. All game plan info is distributed via google drive. The defensive coaches talk throughout the day, as needed. The DC and I talk on Sunday evening. Been doing it this way for 10 years. We've won over 70% of our games, and I've only had one coach leave my staff, and that was because he took an admin job. This is really refreshing to hear. I’m leaving a school that’s on Coach Durham’s schedule. They play quality football and play it the right way. I always wonder if you can do it right without meeting so it’s good to know you can. We lost 7 games last year and 6 were by 8 points or less. Coach’s team was that other one.
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Post by CanyonCoach on May 10, 2023 20:57:13 GMT -6
Same for about 8 years: Saturday- youth football games, college games of alumni, or hit a local event in the community. And watch film Sunday morning coaches meet at 8:00am- personal, special teams, special stuff for the week Usually by 9:00 we break into O and D groups. Our D guys run their own ship. O is predicated on getting D to do something they don't like to do...special plays, look for weak links, talk through installs. We are done by 11:00 to get to church with families. Coordinators take care of call sheets and game plans that will be given to kids on Monday before the JV game.
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Post by daegus on May 10, 2023 22:14:55 GMT -6
We are similar to 3rdandlong. Saturday morning players come in from 8:30am to 10:30am. Coaches are present also, unless they have a family obligation. When your coaches are in young families with several children, they sometimes need to miss all or part of the two hours. Saturday mornings are special teams video, recovery workout, D video, and O video. We split into position groups for D and O video to be more efficient with our time. We are typically about 25 minutes each session with transition time eating up the rest of the two hours. Then everyone goes home, and coaches manage their time to do their own homework to be prepared for our meeting on Sunday. Our staff likes to come in Sunday morning.
Sundays we are scheduled to meet from 10:00 am to Noon. When everything is going well, we are usually done about 11:30 am. Our Sunday agenda includes culture and scheme. The coordinators then create their parts of the scouting report for the players. I am the head coach. I spend about another 10 hours each weekend with all the other tasks involved with evaluating, planning, and communicating. For my own wellness I need everything ready for the week before I go to bed on Sunday night. I would appreciate any feedback on our process. Also, I would like to find about 30 more minutes, early in the week, to show video of our opponent to our players. Any suggestions?
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Post by jg78 on May 11, 2023 16:50:42 GMT -6
You can meet all weekend, but at the end of the week the team with the best players is probably going to win.
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Post by fantom on May 11, 2023 17:08:57 GMT -6
You can meet all weekend, but at the end of the week the team with the best players is probably going to win. That may be true in the majority of games but in closely matched games preparation can make a difference.
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Post by veerman on May 12, 2023 7:22:33 GMT -6
You can meet all weekend, but at the end of the week the team with the best players is probably going to win. That may be true in the majority of games but in closely matched games preparation can make a difference. I agree, but it's more about the kids preparation rather than ours. We can spend All day Saturday and Sunday prepping for 24 hrs in that two day span. If our kids are not focused and prep on their own as well, then that close game will go the whoever did, or whoever just made more plays that night.
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Post by fantom on May 12, 2023 9:27:33 GMT -6
That may be true in the majority of games but in closely matched games preparation can make a difference. I agree, but it's more about the kids preparation rather than ours. We can spend All day Saturday and Sunday prepping for 24 hrs in that two day span. If our kids are not focused and prep on their own as well, then that close game will go the whoever did, or whoever just made more plays that night. Don't get me wrong. The time that some guys spend on weekends is insane.
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Post by blb on May 12, 2023 10:46:54 GMT -6
I agree, but it's more about the kids preparation rather than ours. We can spend All day Saturday and Sunday prepping for 24 hrs in that two day span. If our kids are not focused and prep on their own as well, then that close game will go the whoever did, or whoever just made more plays that night. Don't get me wrong. The time that some guys spend on weekends is insane. "Woody always said he wasn't as smart as the next guy, but he'd sure out work whoever was the smartest guy. He lived by that creed. We spent a lot more time than other teams on planning and preparation, and I'm not sure it was all necessary. We spent a huge amount of time planning contingencies. Instead of sitting around for hours at a time and discussing plays, which we did, we could have been more resolute. "We were always looking for that special edge, and sometimes we'd find it, and sometimes we didn't. We'd waste a lot of time looking for that mysterious 'edge' before we settled down to the week's game plan." From EARLE: A Coach's Life The autobiography of the late Ohio State HC Earle Bruce on his time as an assistant (1966-70) at OSU under Woody Hayes
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Post by rsmith627 on May 12, 2023 10:49:03 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong. The time that some guys spend on weekends is insane. "Woody always said he wasn't as smart as the next guy, but he'd sure out work whoever was the smartest guy. He lived by that creed. We spent a lot more time than other teams on planning and preparation, and I'm not sure it was all necessary. We spent a huge amount of time planning contingencies. Instead of sitting around for hours at a time and discussing plays, which we did, we could have been more resolute. "We were always looking for that special edge, and sometimes we'd find it, and sometimes we didn't. We'd waste a lot of time looking for that mysterious 'edge' before we settled down to the week's game plan." From EARLE: A Coach's Life The autobiography of the late Ohio State HC Earle Bruce on his time as an assistant (1966-70) at OSU under Woody Hayes
Careful coach, this was almost like an old Mountjoy post except he would've said Woody told him that directly while dropping 6-7 other names and rambling on for many paragraphs and then telling you to call him for his thoughts on the matter.
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Post by fantom on May 12, 2023 10:55:53 GMT -6
"Woody always said he wasn't as smart as the next guy, but he'd sure out work whoever was the smartest guy. He lived by that creed. We spent a lot more time than other teams on planning and preparation, and I'm not sure it was all necessary. We spent a huge amount of time planning contingencies. Instead of sitting around for hours at a time and discussing plays, which we did, we could have been more resolute. "We were always looking for that special edge, and sometimes we'd find it, and sometimes we didn't. We'd waste a lot of time looking for that mysterious 'edge' before we settled down to the week's game plan." From EARLE: A Coach's Life The autobiography of the late Ohio State HC Earle Bruce on his time as an assistant (1966-70) at OSU under Woody Hayes
Careful coach, this was almost like an old Mountjoy post except he would've said Woody told him that directly while dropping 6-7 other names and rambling on for many paragraphs and then telling you to call him for his thoughts on the matter. Joe Bugel, who coached the legendary Hogs for the great Joe Gibbs, told me and Nick Saban the same thing in a private clinic. For more information call me at 555-3825.
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Post by coachcb on May 12, 2023 11:08:30 GMT -6
Careful coach, this was almost like an old Mountjoy post except he would've said Woody told him that directly while dropping 6-7 other names and rambling on for many paragraphs and then telling you to call him for his thoughts on the matter. Joe Bugel, who coached the legendary Hogs for the great Joe Gibbs, told me and Nick Saban the same thing in a private clinic. For more information call me at 555-3825. You changed numbers? I have you down as 867-5309... You're probaby gonna tell me your name isn't Jenny, either!
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Post by fantom on May 12, 2023 11:12:49 GMT -6
Joe Bugel, who coached the legendary Hogs for the great Joe Gibbs, told me and Nick Saban the same thing in a private clinic. For more information call me at 555-3825. Dude, you changed numbers? I have you down as 867-5309... Belichick kept calling.
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Post by blb on May 12, 2023 11:19:48 GMT -6
"Woody always said he wasn't as smart as the next guy, but he'd sure out work whoever was the smartest guy. He lived by that creed. We spent a lot more time than other teams on planning and preparation, and I'm not sure it was all necessary. We spent a huge amount of time planning contingencies. Instead of sitting around for hours at a time and discussing plays, which we did, we could have been more resolute. "We were always looking for that special edge, and sometimes we'd find it, and sometimes we didn't. We'd waste a lot of time looking for that mysterious 'edge' before we settled down to the week's game plan." From EARLE: A Coach's Life The autobiography of the late Ohio State HC Earle Bruce on his time as an assistant (1966-70) at OSU under Woody Hayes
Careful coach, this was almost like an old Mountjoy post except he would've said Woody told him that directly while dropping 6-7 other names and rambling on for many paragraphs and then telling you to call him for his thoughts on the matter. Sorry, I lost my head. It'll never happen again.
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Post by rsmith627 on May 12, 2023 11:48:23 GMT -6
Careful coach, this was almost like an old Mountjoy post except he would've said Woody told him that directly while dropping 6-7 other names and rambling on for many paragraphs and then telling you to call him for his thoughts on the matter. Sorry, I lost my head. It'll never happen again. No apologies needed. Just looking out for a guy I respect.
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Post by larrymoe on May 13, 2023 9:55:45 GMT -6
"Woody always said he wasn't as smart as the next guy, but he'd sure out work whoever was the smartest guy. He lived by that creed. We spent a lot more time than other teams on planning and preparation, and I'm not sure it was all necessary. We spent a huge amount of time planning contingencies. Instead of sitting around for hours at a time and discussing plays, which we did, we could have been more resolute. "We were always looking for that special edge, and sometimes we'd find it, and sometimes we didn't. We'd waste a lot of time looking for that mysterious 'edge' before we settled down to the week's game plan." From EARLE: A Coach's Life The autobiography of the late Ohio State HC Earle Bruce on his time as an assistant (1966-70) at OSU under Woody Hayes
Careful coach, this was almost like an old Mountjoy post except he would've said Woody told him that directly while dropping 6-7 other names and rambling on for many paragraphs and then telling you to call him for his thoughts on the matter. You can find this quote on page number 3,926 of his team manual.
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Post by woodyboyd on May 13, 2023 17:42:24 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong. The time that some guys spend on weekends is insane. "Woody always said he wasn't as smart as the next guy, but he'd sure out work whoever was the smartest guy. He lived by that creed. We spent a lot more time than other teams on planning and preparation, and I'm not sure it was all necessary. We spent a huge amount of time planning contingencies. Instead of sitting around for hours at a time and discussing plays, which we did, we could have been more resolute. "We were always looking for that special edge, and sometimes we'd find it, and sometimes we didn't. We'd waste a lot of time looking for that mysterious 'edge' before we settled down to the week's game plan." From EARLE: A Coach's Life The autobiography of the late Ohio State HC Earle Bruce on his time as an assistant (1966-70) at OSU under Woody Hayes
Ohio coach here. This is still the way in much of Ohio. Woody’s presence is still felt today.
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Post by 19Gate83 on May 14, 2023 5:23:06 GMT -6
Saturday watch and grade game film at home. Sunday 1-2 coaches meeting 2-3 special team meeting 3-4 offense lift defense film 4-5 defense lift offense film 5-6:30 practice on field 6:45-7:15 dinner 7:30-midnight coaches meetings
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Post by wingtol on May 14, 2023 8:00:31 GMT -6
When I first started out that staff would have marathon meetings on Sundays like 12+ hours. I was single and didn't care at the time so wasn't a big deal. I would say about 2 hours of that was actual football time and think some of the other coaches just wanted to get out of the house. I will say I did learn a ton of football back then, not sure it was from the meetings or just paying attention and trying to make my self better. This was also back in the days of VHS and in person film exchanges so that did make things take a bit longer.
After I left there in '05 and started with the only other HC I have worked for we did meet on weekends to start but again this was mimi-DV and dvd days so film was still more based at the football office. We also ran the same O and basically the same D till our last team in '21. Knowing those systems inside and out made game planning a lot easier, we didn't necessarily game plan for other teams ourselves but became more of what are they going to do vs us (if that makes sense).
I did learn a TON of football in meetings, hand drawing scout cards and packets was invaluable to me as a young guy. But now not so much. Give me the film and let me see what they are doing, not to sound arrogant but there isn't much I haven't seen and can't ID quickly on film as many veteran coaches probably can too. And finally as football has become much more generic over the years scheme wise it becomes more of who are their dudes and how do they use them over how do they line up.
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Post by Defcord on May 14, 2023 13:58:25 GMT -6
Once had a HC tell us we were going to meet at 7AM on Saturday after a bad loss. Screamed that he wanted each of our films watched and graded before the 7am meeting and we probably got back at 1am. Myself, the RB coach and the DC all stayed in our offices until about 3am watching and grading and then turned around and got back to school at 6:45am or so for the meeting...HC cancelled it via text around 7:15 I would’ve showed up to his house and kicked his dog.
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