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Post by tripsclosed on May 14, 2023 14:07:04 GMT -6
Once had a HC tell us we were going to meet at 7AM on Saturday after a bad loss. Screamed that he wanted each of our films watched and graded before the 7am meeting and we probably got back at 1am. Myself, the RB coach and the DC all stayed in our offices until about 3am watching and grading and then turned around and got back to school at 6:45am or so for the meeting...HC cancelled it via text around 7:15 I would’ve showed up to his house and kicked his dog. Don't kick his dog, kick HIS a$$. Lol. The poor dog didn't pull this stunt on you 😄 |
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Post by fantom on May 14, 2023 14:16:13 GMT -6
Saturday watch and grade game film at home. Sunday 1-2 coaches meeting 2-3 special team meeting 3-4 offense lift defense film 4-5 defense lift offense film 5-6:30 practice on field 6:45-7:15 dinner 7:30-midnight coaches meetings Please tell me that you're not a HS coach. |
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Post by 19Gate83 on May 15, 2023 3:25:07 GMT -6
Varsity Assistant high school coach in SW Georgia
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Post by bulldogsdc on May 15, 2023 6:35:21 GMT -6
Saturday watch and grade game film at home. Sunday 1-2 coaches meeting 2-3 special team meeting 3-4 offense lift defense film 4-5 defense lift offense film 5-6:30 practice on field 6:45-7:15 dinner 7:30-midnight coaches meetings Where? |
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Post by knightfan64 on May 15, 2023 7:40:13 GMT -6
Learned as I got older, less was more. First program I used to coach at we would work 900 to 300 or 400 on Sundays. I used to joke that the better the opponent the later we finished, and if we were wrapping up prior to 3:00 on a Sunday it felt like we weren't respecting an opponent enough. Nothing on Saturdays though. I tried instilling the same schedule when I got my first head coaching gig, and it went over like a lead balloon. By the end there I learned less was more and started just texting my coordinators and major position coaches over the weekend to work together on a gameplan, then met Sunday night for about an hour or two to finalize it. I would come in a little earlier to finish laundry. Then, I promptly got in with a coach who did longer Sunday afternoon meetings. I think all methods can work its just what is time versus quality of time in terms of work.
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Post by raider92 on May 15, 2023 9:24:14 GMT -6
Varsity Assistant high school coach in SW Georgia Do you get any flack for being that active on a Sunday? I'm in the midwest and I know we would catch holy hell if we had kids on the field on a Sunday. If we get it here its surprising you wouldn't experience the same, or more, push back in a "Bible Belt" state |
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Post by wolverine55 on May 15, 2023 9:41:17 GMT -6
In my experience (different schools in both Iowa and Illinois) the Sunday policy has been "with Principal's permission." But, no one brings kids in on a Sunday unless it was the playoffs or if the basketball team had a Monday postseason game, there would be a brief Sunday practice.
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Post by blb on May 15, 2023 10:38:14 GMT -6
Varsity Assistant high school coach in SW Georgia Do you get any flack for being that active on a Sunday? I'm in the midwest and I know we would catch holy hell if we had kids on the field on a Sunday. If we get it here its surprising you wouldn't experience the same, or more, push back in a "Bible Belt" state In the Deep South Football is a religion. |
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Post by blb on May 15, 2023 10:42:12 GMT -6
In my experience (different schools in both Iowa and Illinois) the Sunday policy has been "with Principal's permission." But, no one brings kids in on a Sunday unless it was the playoffs or if the basketball team had a Monday postseason game, there would be a brief Sunday practice. I coached at some schools here in MI where there was a No Sunday activites for kids policy as well. |
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Post by fantom on May 15, 2023 10:51:15 GMT -6
In my experience (different schools in both Iowa and Illinois) the Sunday policy has been "with Principal's permission." But, no one brings kids in on a Sunday unless it was the playoffs or if the basketball team had a Monday postseason game, there would be a brief Sunday practice. I coached at some schools here in MI where there was a No Sunday activites for kids policy as well. We weren't allowed Sunday activities in Virginia. |
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Post by tripsclosed on May 15, 2023 11:33:50 GMT -6
Do you get any flack for being that active on a Sunday? I'm in the midwest and I know we would catch holy hell if we had kids on the field on a Sunday. If we get it here its surprising you wouldn't experience the same, or more, push back in a "Bible Belt" state In the Deep South Football is a religion. Yup. And CFB stadiums are their temples...They dang sure do a better job of getting people out than churches, 80, 85, 90 thousand people packed in there. As Jesse Jackson once told Nick Saban when Saban was still at LSU, Tiger Stadium was closer to the Kingdom of God than Jackson's church, Saban bewildered, asked him why he said that, Jackson said they were all united in spirit and purpose... |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 15, 2023 12:51:25 GMT -6
I've worked for about five different head coaches and everyone has been different. I worked on a 3 man staff that didn't meet at all on the weekends, just communicated through text. I've worked on a 10 man staff that worked saturday and sunday. Most have been in between and worked Sunday afternoon. Just wondering how everyone breaks theirs down and what is your preferred method. I saw a quote this morning that said "the only people who are going to remember that you worked overtime is your kids"... That's kind of why I brought this up. What do yall say? 80-21 over 9 years. Friday Night: I (HC) upload film and do minimal hudl fields...just enough to get stats done. Saturday: Youth sports- my kid or our coaches' kids...we are tight and go to everything. Once the exchange comes through I start data breakdown while watching college football at home. NOBODY MEETS on Saturday- that's for the families. Sunday: 8am-1ish? Gameplan is 80% done Monday: No practice- film and install meetings only. |
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Post by larrymoe on May 16, 2023 18:18:14 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure Sunday practices are banned in Illinois by the state association. At least that's what I understood from HS to the end of my career.
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Post by jg78 on May 24, 2023 6:16:33 GMT -6
I spent most of my career as a DC.
On Saturday, I would prop up on my couch with my laptop and casually break down film while watching college games. Just compile all the raw data that doesn’t require a lot of deep thought. Write down a few notes here and there. I would also watch our film to see what we could do better and correct it with the players during film. I never saw much point in grading it or anything, though. (Did your 3 tech. grade better this week than last week because he was improved or because he was up against a freshman guard who will be in the band next year instead of the 5 star steamroller who will be at Bama?) Sunday, I would take that information and get serious with it and start game planning.
I had a system I believed in and the players knew, so we didn’t do anything drastically different from one week to the next. Mostly just some tweaks (if necessary) and drilling tendencies and personnel strengths and weaknesses into the heads of the kids through repetition. Coaching defense during game week is very much like preparing students for a test.
I have been in programs that met on Sunday (none on Saturday) but nothing ridiculous.
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Post by hlb2 on May 25, 2023 12:23:13 GMT -6
I was on a staff where coaches came in on Saturday morning at 5am to go through film after playing on Friday night. Did film with the kids at 7, workout with them after, and then coaches meetings til about 1pm. Was miserable. Was only there for a year but we went 1-9. Really made me hate football. I was on a staff that was just like this except we were 2-8. If it doesn't equal wins then I don't want to do it I worked on a staff with similar expectations. Coaches in at 6 to grade film, players show up at 9 for film. 11 AM workout and treatment then coaches were there anywhere from another hour to 3 or 4 PM that afternoon. Back on Sunday at 11 AM for defensive coaches meetings to install the game plan. That could last for 2 to 8 hours depending on what we were doing and who we were facing. The 4 years I was there, made the final 4 3 of the 4 and made at least the 2nd round of the playoffs every year. Now, Friday we go home after the W or L. Saturday morning I input stats. My staff has until Sunday at 2PM to grade their position group. What I have done is hired some ex-players who can't coach but are willing to help, input Hudl data on our opponent throughout the week. I finalize that on Saturday and start generating scouting reports. Sunday, I get up and finalize everything and we meet as a defensive staff at 2PM. This may last from 2 to 4 hours, but I try to have my guys out of there no later than 6PM. Now, I'm probably going to be the black sheep here, and I couldn't give 2 shites if I am, but if you don't love the game, don't do it. I love it. The breaking down of film, the making scouting reports, the meetings etc. I could talk football with a room full of corpses. Now, I get it, you need a life, but I'm a guy that if I'm going to do something it's going to be done to the best of my ability. If that means meeting for 4 hours on a Sunday so be it. I don't think some of you were 2-8 because you met for 8 hours on Saturday. That's absurd to even remotely blame the lack of success on that. As I showed, the meeting time has 0 to do with that. The meetings and the work are the items that give you a chance at success. I'm not sure how you can equate meeting time to wins and losses, it's not that pure of a mathematical relationship. It's the chance at winning you're looking for. Giving your players a fighting chance. if I don't meet, or I don't break down as many films as I can and do all I do, I feel like I'm cheating the kids, and I would never want that. What I have learned over the years is how to streamline meetings. We do not BS or gossip. It's all about ball, and how we can get our 11 to stop their 11. I have found you can trim a good hour to hour and a half out of your meeting times by removing all the "bar room chatter". Also, making sure everyone is prepared and has their stuff helps to keep the meeting rolling smoothly too. Each of my coaches has a job they have to do prior to Sunday. None are large tasks, but taken together as a whole, they make our Sundays go very smoothly. Anyhow, I'm sure some of you are triggered now, so let me have it. |
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Post by blb on May 25, 2023 12:42:39 GMT -6
I was on a staff that was just like this except we were 2-8. If it doesn't equal wins then I don't want to do it I worked on a staff with similar expectations. Coaches in at 6 to grade film, players show up at 9 for film. 11 AM workout and treatment then coaches were there anywhere from another hour to 3 or 4 PM that afternoon. Back on Sunday at 11 AM for defensive coaches meetings to install the game plan. That could last for 2 to 8 hours depending on what we were doing and who we were facing. The 4 years I was there, made the final 4 3 of the 4 and made at least the 2nd round of the playoffs every year. Now, Friday we go home after the W or L. Saturday morning I input stats. My staff has until Sunday at 2PM to grade their position group. What I have done is hired some ex-players who can't coach but are willing to help, input Hudl data on our opponent throughout the week. I finalize that on Saturday and start generating scouting reports. Sunday, I get up and finalize everything and we meet as a defensive staff at 2PM. This may last from 2 to 4 hours, but I try to have my guys out of there no later than 6PM. Now, I'm probably going to be the black sheep here, and I couldn't give 2 shites if I am, but if you don't love the game, don't do it. I love it. The breaking down of film, the making scouting reports, the meetings etc. I could talk football with a room full of corpses. Now, I get it, you need a life, but I'm a guy that if I'm going to do something it's going to be done to the best of my ability. If that means meeting for 4 hours on a Sunday so be it. I don't think some of you were 2-8 because you met for 8 hours on Saturday. That's absurd to even remotely blame the lack of success on that. As I showed, the meeting time has 0 to do with that. The meetings and the work are the items that give you a chance at success. I'm not sure how you can equate meeting time to wins and losses, it's not that pure of a mathematical relationship. It's the chance at winning you're looking for. Giving your players a fighting chance. if I don't meet, or I don't break down as many films as I can and do all I do, I feel like I'm cheating the kids, and I would never want that. What I have learned over the years is how to streamline meetings. We do not BS or gossip. It's all about ball, and how we can get our 11 to stop their 11. I have found you can trim a good hour to hour and a half out of your meeting times by removing all the "bar room chatter". Also, making sure everyone is prepared and has their stuff helps to keep the meeting rolling smoothly too. Each of my coaches has a job they have to do prior to Sunday. None are large tasks, but taken together as a whole, they make our Sundays go very smoothly. Anyhow, I'm sure some of you are triggered now, so let me have it. where do you coach? How many of your assistants are teachers-coaches whose employment depends on your Football success? If you don't win and get fired, do you lose your teaching job too? |
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Post by CS on May 25, 2023 14:11:06 GMT -6
I was on a staff that was just like this except we were 2-8. If it doesn't equal wins then I don't want to do it I worked on a staff with similar expectations. Coaches in at 6 to grade film, players show up at 9 for film. 11 AM workout and treatment then coaches were there anywhere from another hour to 3 or 4 PM that afternoon. Back on Sunday at 11 AM for defensive coaches meetings to install the game plan. That could last for 2 to 8 hours depending on what we were doing and who we were facing. The 4 years I was there, made the final 4 3 of the 4 and made at least the 2nd round of the playoffs every year. Now, Friday we go home after the W or L. Saturday morning I input stats. My staff has until Sunday at 2PM to grade their position group. What I have done is hired some ex-players who can't coach but are willing to help, input Hudl data on our opponent throughout the week. I finalize that on Saturday and start generating scouting reports. Sunday, I get up and finalize everything and we meet as a defensive staff at 2PM. This may last from 2 to 4 hours, but I try to have my guys out of there no later than 6PM. Now, I'm probably going to be the black sheep here, and I couldn't give 2 shites if I am, but if you don't love the game, don't do it. I love it. The breaking down of film, the making scouting reports, the meetings etc. I could talk football with a room full of corpses. Now, I get it, you need a life, but I'm a guy that if I'm going to do something it's going to be done to the best of my ability. If that means meeting for 4 hours on a Sunday so be it. I don't think some of you were 2-8 because you met for 8 hours on Saturday. That's absurd to even remotely blame the lack of success on that. As I showed, the meeting time has 0 to do with that. The meetings and the work are the items that give you a chance at success. I'm not sure how you can equate meeting time to wins and losses, it's not that pure of a mathematical relationship. It's the chance at winning you're looking for. Giving your players a fighting chance. if I don't meet, or I don't break down as many films as I can and do all I do, I feel like I'm cheating the kids, and I would never want that. What I have learned over the years is how to streamline meetings. We do not BS or gossip. It's all about ball, and how we can get our 11 to stop their 11. I have found you can trim a good hour to hour and a half out of your meeting times by removing all the "bar room chatter". Also, making sure everyone is prepared and has their stuff helps to keep the meeting rolling smoothly too. Each of my coaches has a job they have to do prior to Sunday. None are large tasks, but taken together as a whole, they make our Sundays go very smoothly. Anyhow, I'm sure some of you are triggered now, so let me have it. Nobody said meeting so long was the reason we lost. We said we were putting in tons of time and it wasn’t producing wins. Since you can throw sh!t around I feel that if you have to meet for 4 hours with everyone “prepared” then your meetings aren’t very good. We meet for about an hour on Monday and we were state runner up last year. Also in the previous stretch of time where I didn’t have to meet on weekends we were 49-12 with a state runner up 2 semi final appearances a quarter final and first round loss. We got all our work done at home |
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Post by hlb2 on May 26, 2023 7:03:48 GMT -6
Didn't say we met for four hours. Sometimes it goes that long, often times not. To each their own though. I have very inexperienced coaches, so I spend a lot of time coaching them during these meetings. Don't take that out of context either, I have great guys, and have to deal with what I'm dealt. I think we're pretty efficient given what I have. Again, if you don't love it, don't do it. I have 0 issues with working all weekend long on football and have done it that way for well over 20 years. 0 burnout, 0 BS. Get the work done however you see fit. I'm always looking to build a better mousetrap, and I certainly would be open to being more efficient. I just see a lot of guys these days that want to wear the gear and not put in the work, then bitch when they aren't successful. For blb small school in S Florida. Yes, some of our coaches work in the school, but most do not. The staff is divided about 50/50. I've been here, off and on, for over 20 years. I do not teach. I actually own and run my own business on top of being a defensive coordinator (how's that for efficiency?). Half of my defensive staff does not teach. I have an army of people though, so that not any one person has a large task. I have lots of former players that volunteer to enter Hudl data, scout and so forth. Many hands make small work is the way I see it. It's a small, close-knit town, everyone knows everyone and everyone enjoys helping the local sports programs any way they can. I have worked elsewhere though, that was VERY similar to what we do now. Like I mentioned, one place worked Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure I'm a creature of that habit. My start was in small college NIAI ball. Now that was grinding. I've never worked anywhere near like I did when I was a GA. I've never been at a place that didn't work on the weekends and I cannot fathom doing so. I think if you're going to be successful you need to work at it is all I'm saying. If you can get away without doing it, congrats, I'm just not going to do it that way. |
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Post by realdawg on May 26, 2023 8:15:15 GMT -6
I would say I am more like hlb2. We meet on Sundays, 3-4 hours. Could we zoom? Yea probably, but I hate it. I dont care if I never do another zoom call again. Also, I find that when I work from home, I am LESS efficient because there are distractions, ball game on TV, wife wanting me to do something, etc... maybe thats just me. I will firmly admit that I may be the problem. However, I just couldnt do it. I think there is something to be said to meeting in person and drawing it up on the board and looking at it. I am not saying that anyone elses way is wrong. If it works for you great. I just cant do it any other way.
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2023 8:49:42 GMT -6
To each their own though. Again, if you don't love it, don't do it. These two statements are so contradictory, one is false. |
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Post by hlb2 on May 26, 2023 9:25:21 GMT -6
To each their own though. Again, if you don't love it, don't do it. These two statements are so contradictory, one is false. Elaborate. In my world, they are not. I have trouble with empathy though, so there's that... |
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2023 9:27:11 GMT -6
These two statements are so contradictory, one is false. Elaborate. In my world, they are not. I have trouble with empathy though, so there's that... You can't possibly tell someone to do it there way, but that if they don't do enough "work" as defined by you, they just don't live it enough and should quit coaching. |
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Post by realdawg on May 26, 2023 9:33:40 GMT -6
You can do the work and do it a different way. It seems to me the argument is can you do all the work at home with little to no face to face meeting and using technology to communicate or do you meet in person for a substantial amount of time. Either way. You are doing the work. The argument is which way is better. The answer is neither. Whatever works for you and your staff. You cannot convince me that if you do not study or break down film you are giving your team the best chance to win unless they are SIGNIFICANTLY better than the other team. Then it doesn’t matter. I don’t get the feeling that the guys making the no meeting argument don’t do the work. They just do it a different way.
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Post by CS on May 26, 2023 9:53:18 GMT -6
You can do the work and do it a different way. It seems to me the argument is can you do all the work at home with little to no face to face meeting and using technology to communicate or do you meet in person for a substantial amount of time. Either way. You are doing the work. The argument is which way is better. The answer is neither. Whatever works for you and your staff. You cannot convince me that if you do not study or break down film you are giving your team the best chance to win unless they are SIGNIFICANTLY better than the other team. Then it doesn’t matter. I don’t get the feeling that the guys making the no meeting argument don’t do the work. They just do it a different way. I don’t think anyone here ever said they don’t scheme or breakdown film. What we were “b!tching” about is the fact that getting to the office at 6am and working until 3pm on Saturday after the game and getting skull drug every week probably isn’t the best way to do things Meetings don’t equal wins. He!! I would say that scheme and coaching prep is a way smaller fraction of winning than getting the kids to execute anything and that’s only second to having great players If you can have great players that execute you will win titles without all the other horse 💩 that some coaches romanticize about the grind I watch a ton of film, scheme, and draw my own play cards. Have I been out schemed before…absolutely. Everyone has. It had nothing to do with how much film I watched or the meetings we didn’t have. I do,however, have a problem with dingleberries getting on here and telling coaches who don’t like to meet for hours on the weekend that they should quit or don’t love the game. It’s major league douchery |
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 26, 2023 10:30:19 GMT -6
I miss none of this. Best part about private S&C- billable hours
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Post by realdawg on May 26, 2023 13:34:17 GMT -6
I agree with almost everything you say CS. I think having a meeting Saturday at all is crazy, much less at 6 am. I am an early riser and I am not up that early after a late Friday night. I do choose to meet for a few hours Sunday.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 26, 2023 21:43:42 GMT -6
The meet/don't meet, Saturday/Sunday, 1 hour/5011 hour/etc... meeting debate is what it is.
You meet/plan/zoom/etc.... because it is what you do.
Whether or not it 'is necessary' is relevant to your situation. We all have our 'Jones' we have to beat......
Whether or not it is necessary is the debate...... at least at my take....
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Post by hlb2 on May 30, 2023 5:09:24 GMT -6
You can do the work and do it a different way. It seems to me the argument is can you do all the work at home with little to no face to face meeting and using technology to communicate or do you meet in person for a substantial amount of time. Either way. You are doing the work. The argument is which way is better. The answer is neither. Whatever works for you and your staff. You cannot convince me that if you do not study or break down film you are giving your team the best chance to win unless they are SIGNIFICANTLY better than the other team. Then it doesn’t matter. I don’t get the feeling that the guys making the no meeting argument don’t do the work. They just do it a different way. I don’t think anyone here ever said they don’t scheme or breakdown film. What we were “b!tching” about is the fact that getting to the office at 6am and working until 3pm on Saturday after the game and getting skull drug every week probably isn’t the best way to do things Meetings don’t equal wins. He!! I would say that scheme and coaching prep is a way smaller fraction of winning than getting the kids to execute anything and that’s only second to having great players If you can have great players that execute you will win titles without all the other horse 💩 that some coaches romanticize about the grind I watch a ton of film, scheme, and draw my own play cards. Have I been out schemed before…absolutely. Everyone has. It had nothing to do with how much film I watched or the meetings we didn’t have. I do,however, have a problem with dingleberries getting on here and telling coaches who don’t like to meet for hours on the weekend that they should quit or don’t love the game. It’s major league douchery Name calling, how 5th grade of you. Talk about major league douchery... All I'm saying is it sounds like whining. Either do it or don't, whatever floats your boat. I just see a lot of guys that want to wear the free stuff and not put in the work is all I'm saying. No need for name calling. I didn't even stoop that low. |
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Post by CS on May 30, 2023 6:00:40 GMT -6
I don’t think anyone here ever said they don’t scheme or breakdown film. What we were “b!tching” about is the fact that getting to the office at 6am and working until 3pm on Saturday after the game and getting skull drug every week probably isn’t the best way to do things Meetings don’t equal wins. He!! I would say that scheme and coaching prep is a way smaller fraction of winning than getting the kids to execute anything and that’s only second to having great players If you can have great players that execute you will win titles without all the other horse 💩 that some coaches romanticize about the grind I watch a ton of film, scheme, and draw my own play cards. Have I been out schemed before…absolutely. Everyone has. It had nothing to do with how much film I watched or the meetings we didn’t have. I do,however, have a problem with dingleberries getting on here and telling coaches who don’t like to meet for hours on the weekend that they should quit or don’t love the game. It’s major league douchery Name calling, how 5th grade of you. Talk about major league douchery... All I'm saying is it sounds like whining. Either do it or don't, whatever floats your boat. I just see a lot of guys that want to wear the free stuff and not put in the work is all I'm saying. No need for name calling. I didn't even stoop that low. Nah you just question work ethic and integrity of people you don’t know. I stand by what I said |
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Post by hlb2 on May 30, 2023 7:06:23 GMT -6
Name calling, how 5th grade of you. Talk about major league douchery... All I'm saying is it sounds like whining. Either do it or don't, whatever floats your boat. I just see a lot of guys that want to wear the free stuff and not put in the work is all I'm saying. No need for name calling. I didn't even stoop that low. Nah you just question work ethic and integrity of people you don’t know. I stand by what I said I'm just calling it as it sounded in the post, like whining. No need to call names, I stand by what I said too. |
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