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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 16, 2024 14:38:32 GMT -6
Think it is probably time to revisit this, as it is clear that Prime has at least temporarily turned the CU program around in just two years, and all of the drama questioning his methods this off season might not have been valid.
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Post by silkyice on Nov 16, 2024 14:47:29 GMT -6
Think it is probably time to revisit this, as it is clear that Prime has at least temporarily turned the CU program around in just two years, and all of the drama questioning his methods this off season might not have been valid. If Auburn hires Deion 2 years ago, Auburn could possibly be the best team in the nation. Change my mind. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 16, 2024 14:58:45 GMT -6
Think it is probably time to revisit this, as it is clear that Prime has at least temporarily turned the CU program around in just two years, and all of the drama questioning his methods this off season might not have been valid. If Auburn hires Deion 2 years ago, Auburn could possibly be the best team in the nation. Change my mind. I present to you the entire history of Auburn football, and as such, any great peak will also result in an equally tragic valley LOL. |
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Post by Defcord on Nov 16, 2024 15:22:12 GMT -6
Think it is probably time to revisit this, as it is clear that Prime has at least temporarily turned the CU program around in just two years, and all of the drama questioning his methods this off season might not have been valid. If Auburn hires Deion 2 years ago, Auburn could possibly be the best team in the nation. Change my mind. Colorado doesn’t play in the SEC. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 16, 2024 16:56:07 GMT -6
If Auburn hires Deion 2 years ago, Auburn could possibly be the best team in the nation. Change my mind. I present to you the entire history of Auburn football, and as such, any great peak will also result in an equally tragic valley LOL. Oh no doubt! But just add Sheuder, the brother, and Travis Hunter to this Auburn squad and they are legit!! |
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Post by spartan on Nov 16, 2024 19:23:26 GMT -6
Think it is probably time to revisit this, as it is clear that Prime has at least temporarily turned the CU program around in just two years, and all of the drama questioning his methods this off season might not have been valid. If Auburn hires Deion 2 years ago, Auburn could possibly be the best team in the nation. Change my mind. Its Auburn, they F* up everything |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 16, 2024 22:11:46 GMT -6
If Auburn hires Deion 2 years ago, Auburn could possibly be the best team in the nation. Change my mind. Its Auburn, they F* up everything Hahaha But they also have some glorious seasons and games. |
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Post by blb on Nov 17, 2024 4:58:20 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how Deion does at Colorado - assuming he stays - after the two players he brought with him from Jackson State (his son the QB and Hunter) leave for the NFL.
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Post by blb on Nov 17, 2024 4:59:06 GMT -6
If Auburn hires Deion 2 years ago, Auburn could possibly be the best team in the nation. Change my mind. Its Auburn, they F* up everything Auburn is the NY Mets of CFB. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2024 6:28:27 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how Deion does at Colorado - assuming he stays - after the two players he brought with him from Jackson State (his son the QB and Hunter) leave for the NFL. Yes, by no means is anyone Suggesting that CU and Deion are likely to have a 10 year run as a top 5 school. But that was kind of my point throughout this entire discussion. Those days might be over in large part anyway. Look at Mike Norvell and FSU. Is that the new landscape of college football? Regardless, I don't think that anyone can say that the CU and Deion experiment has been anything other than wildly successful. |
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Post by blb on Nov 17, 2024 6:46:29 GMT -6
One year could be a fluke.
Two years could be a coincidence or a trend.
Three years is proof.
By recent CU standards Sanders has been successful. Can he build on it, maintain it, or will Buffs backslide when Shedeur and Hunter are gone?
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2024 7:28:12 GMT -6
One year could be a fluke. Two years could be a coincidence or a trend. Three years is proof. By recent CU standards Sanders has been successful. Can he build on it, maintain it, or will Buffs backslide when Shedeur and Hunter are gone? You mean like most programs backslide when top players leave? Because that is my point. FSU went from arguing they should be in the CFP, to 1-7. Michigan is worse, Washington has not won a game on the road. Oklahoma State has their first first losing season in almost 2 decades. I don't disagree with what you say, I just don't think the standard of judgement in 2024 should be "did you build a program that had a decade long run as a top 5 time". That is just not reasonable anymore. |
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Post by blb on Nov 17, 2024 7:35:46 GMT -6
I just don't think the standard of judgement in 2024 should be "did you build a program that had a decade long run as a top 5 time". That is just not reasonable anymore. You may be right. It is certainly a different world in D-I CFB now. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 17, 2024 10:07:23 GMT -6
I just don't think the standard of judgement in 2024 should be "did you build a program that had a decade long run as a top 5 time". That is just not reasonable anymore. You may be right. It is certainly a different world in D-I CFB now. Is it really? If you look at the rankings they look a lot like they did at pretty much any other time: Mostly the "usual suspects" with a few newcomers mixed in. Historically, a few of those newcomers become perennial powers, some become mostly very good, some are one-hit wonders. We'll see where Colorado (And Indiana) fits in. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 17, 2024 10:26:49 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how Deion does at Colorado - assuming he stays - after the two players he brought with him from Jackson State (his son the QB and Hunter) leave for the NFL. This is what I'm still worried about. I hope he is there for at least the immediate future. However, I could see a bigger time program than Colorado calling for him after this year's success...If for no other reason than the PR boost and ability to pull in big-time players. If he and FSU can mend their troubled relationship, could see that being an option after Norvell's contract runs out... It's obviously not been enough to hold them back this year, but if he could up his game management, his teams would seriously be a force to be reckoned with. |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 17, 2024 10:31:10 GMT -6
You may be right. It is certainly a different world in D-I CFB now. Is it really? If you look at the rankings they look a lot like they did at pretty much any other time: Mostly the "usual suspects" with a few newcomers mixed in. Historically, a few of those newcomers become perennial powers, some become mostly very good, some are one-hit wonders. We'll see where Colorado (And Indiana) fits in. Coach, after seeing how this year has gone, I think it is possible that we are starting to see the dynamics in CFB change. Ohio St. and Texas are probably the only traditional powers this year who have been dominant week after week (and OSU's status is still TBD because of their schedule), and with the amount of upsets we have seen, and how much UGA and Bama have struggled, I think the transfer portal and NIL have made a largely positive impact on parity (you'd think the opposite because you'd expect Texas and Texas A&M's oil money to just buy up the 200 best players in the nation, but that's not what's happened in reality, and look at FSU, 12 mil in NIL and what do they have to show for it??). At some point though, there probably does need to be a "salary cap" put on each team's NIL funds to prevent the collectives with the deepest pockets from just outbidding everyone else (it hasn't happened yet like I said, but someone eventually is going to push it to the limit). |
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Post by tripsclosed on Nov 17, 2024 10:43:31 GMT -6
It will be interesting to see how Deion does at Colorado - assuming he stays - after the two players he brought with him from Jackson State (his son the QB and Hunter) leave for the NFL. Yes, by no means is anyone Suggesting that CU and Deion are likely to have a 10 year run as a top 5 school. But that was kind of my point throughout this entire discussion. Those days might be over in large part anyway. Look at Mike Norvell and FSU. Is that the new landscape of college football? Regardless, I don't think that anyone can say that the CU and Deion experiment has been anything other than wildly successful. Just based off of PR boost and money alone, it has been very successful for CU as a program and as a school |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 17, 2024 11:17:55 GMT -6
Is it really? If you look at the rankings they look a lot like they did at pretty much any other time: Mostly the "usual suspects" with a few newcomers mixed in. Historically, a few of those newcomers become perennial powers, some become mostly very good, some are one-hit wonders. We'll see where Colorado (And Indiana) fits in. Coach, after seeing how this year has gone, I think it is possible that we are starting to see the dynamics in CFB change. Ohio St. and Texas are probably the only traditional powers this year who have been dominant week after week (and OSU's status is still TBD because of their schedule), and with the amount of upsets we have seen, and how much UGA and Bama have struggled, I think the transfer portal and NIL have made a largely positive impact on parity (you'd think the opposite because you'd expect Texas and Texas A&M's oil money to just buy up the 200 best players in the nation, but that's not what's happened in reality, and look at FSU, 12 mil in NIL and what do they have to show for it??). At some point though, there probably does need to be a "salary cap" put on each team's NIL funds to prevent the collectives with the deepest pockets from just outbidding everyone else (it hasn't happened yet like I said, but someone eventually is going to push it to the limit). I think you include Oregon in the traditional powers group. It's been 30 years of them being nationally relevant, and that Nike money isn't going anywhere. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2024 12:37:53 GMT -6
You may be right. It is certainly a different world in D-I CFB now. Is it really? . Yes it absolutely is “really” different. Never before in college football have you seen the starting quarterback of a 3-0 team say “you know what, I didn’t get what we agreed to. I’m out”. Never before have you had a club go from Having a legitimate argument to be in the college football playoff- to having a one win season. There has never been an environment where on the eve of an important game, a player can tell the HC “hey, I need another $150,000 or I can’t play this week”. |
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Post by jg78 on Nov 17, 2024 14:27:11 GMT -6
He's done well this year, but I don't think he's beaten (or even played) anyone currently in the AP Top 25.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2024 16:07:45 GMT -6
He's done well this year, but I don't think he's beaten (or even played) anyone currently in the AP Top 25. Yes, perhaps. Though two years ago, Colorado probably Didn’t beat anyone in the top 75. |
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Post by jg78 on Nov 17, 2024 18:38:23 GMT -6
The 2022 Buffs played (final rankings) #15 Oregon, #12 USC, #8 Washington, and #10 Utah.
The 2024 Buffs have not played anyone currently in the Top 25. Deion has done a remarkable job this year and the Buffs are much improved, but the path is definitely easier than it used to be too. The Pac-12 falling apart helped.
I think we will know more about Deion when Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter move on. They are certainly "generational talents" by Colorado standards. Gene Chizik and Ed Orgeron both went from undefeated national champs and COTY to unemployment in two years due to the loss of irreplaceable talent at QB.
So we will see, I guess.
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Post by fantom on Nov 17, 2024 19:20:01 GMT -6
Yes it absolutely is “really” different. Never before in college football have you seen the starting quarterback of a 3-0 team say “you know what, I didn’t get what we agreed to. I’m out”. Never before have you had a club go from Having a legitimate argument to be in the college football playoff- to having a one win season. There has never been an environment where on the eve of an important game, a player can tell the HC “hey, I need another $150,000 or I can’t play this week”. There have been some changes but really, in the big picture, has anything really changed other than the media coverage? Who would have cared or noticed that UNLV's QB quit? 3-0? A lot of teams were 3-0. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2024 19:42:29 GMT -6
The 2022 Buffs played (final rankings) #15 Oregon, #12 USC, #8 Washington, and #10 Utah. The 2024 Buffs have not played anyone currently in the Top 25. Deion has done a remarkable job this year and the Buffs are much improved, but the path is definitely easier than it used to be too. The Pac-12 falling apart helped. I think we will know more about Deion when Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter move on. They are certainly "generational talents" by Colorado standards. Gene Chizik and Ed Orgeron both went from undefeated national champs and COTY to unemployment in two years due to the loss of irreplaceable talent at QB. So we will see, I guess. The 2022 Buffs were 1-7 before playing those 4 teams. The 2022 Buffs had a point differential of minus 141 against teams NOT ranked in the top 25. Neither Gene Nor Ed took over 1-11 programs. I am not a Sanders Cheerleader, but man why do people keep moving the goal posts. We don't need to "know more". He has clearly done a good job THIS YEAR. Why does the standard seem to be "Yeah, but has he exceeded bobby Bowden or Nick Saban or Jim Tressel in terms of consistent success? " |
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 17, 2024 19:45:36 GMT -6
The 2022 Buffs played (final rankings) #15 Oregon, #12 USC, #8 Washington, and #10 Utah. The 2024 Buffs have not played anyone currently in the Top 25. Deion has done a remarkable job this year and the Buffs are much improved, but the path is definitely easier than it used to be too. The Pac-12 falling apart helped. I think we will know more about Deion when Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter move on. They are certainly "generational talents" by Colorado standards. Gene Chizik and Ed Orgeron both went from undefeated national champs and COTY to unemployment in two years due to the loss of irreplaceable talent at QB. So we will see, I guess. The 2022 Buffs were 1-7 before playing those 4 teams. The 2022 Buffs had a point differential of minus 141 against teams NOT ranked in the top 25. Neither Gene Nor Ed took over 1-11 programs. I am not a Sanders Cheerleader, but man why do people keep moving the goal posts. We don't need to "know more". He has clearly done a good job THIS YEAR. Why does the standard seem to be "Yeah, but has he exceeded bobby Bowden or Nick Saban or Jim Tressel in terms of consistent success? " Because he's a {censored} {censored} that people don't like. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2024 19:47:41 GMT -6
The 2022 Buffs were 1-7 before playing those 4 teams. The 2022 Buffs had a point differential of minus 141 against teams NOT ranked in the top 25. Neither Gene Nor Ed took over 1-11 programs. I am not a Sanders Cheerleader, but man why do people keep moving the goal posts. We don't need to "know more". He has clearly done a good job THIS YEAR. Why does the standard seem to be "Yeah, but has he exceeded bobby Bowden or Nick Saban or Jim Tressel in terms of consistent success? " Because he's a {censored} {censored} that people don't like. That is probably an accurate reason for why people move the goal posts. |
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Post by jg78 on Nov 17, 2024 20:40:04 GMT -6
That's not the point. The 2024 Buffs are clearly better. But their competition is worse too. If they had jumped to the Big 10 with Oregon, USC, Washington, and UCLA, this thread is probably still buried.
A wise coach once said, "Sometimes winning isn't about how good you are. It's about how good everyone else is."
Not having to take a trip to Oregon this year is nice.
And Sanders hasn't (and won't) win a national title.
You seem like it. What do you want people to say about him? He's done a good job? Sure. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. What more do you want?
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Post by silkyice on Nov 17, 2024 21:42:42 GMT -6
That's not the point. The 2024 Buffs are clearly better. But their competition is worse too. If they had jumped to the Big 10 with Oregon, USC, Washington, and UCLA, this thread is probably still buried. A wise coach once said, "Sometimes winning isn't about how good you are. It's about how good everyone else is." Not having to take a trip to Oregon this year is nice. And Sanders hasn't (and won't) win a national title. You seem like it. What do you want people to say about him? He's done a good job? Sure. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. What more do you want? I wanted him to be the head coach of Auburn. But that was with his son and Travis Hunter included. So I want a time machine to go back and hire him. Can we just make that happen? |
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Post by coachcb on Nov 18, 2024 9:08:56 GMT -6
IMO, it depends on whether or not Sanders can actually build a program. Not just a grab-bag of talent from the transfer portal every year. I don't really think he's built a solid foundation through recruiting but I could be wrong.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 18, 2024 9:30:05 GMT -6
IMO, it depends on whether or not Sanders can actually build a program. Not just a grab-bag of talent from the transfer portal every year. I don't really think he's built a solid foundation through recruiting but I could be wrong. if this were 1998- I would say that makes sense. In 2024 I need to wonder if anyone is going to build a program. Or will it be more like the NFL where Success fluctuates from year to year- aka the bengals the 49ers , the rams, dallas etc. |
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