"Superstar" coaches

THIS rant probably is directed at Colorado, specifically because I cant readily think of a personality or program that doesnt get this basic fact.

LEADING is about serving. You willingly take on the responsibility to look after and pull people together to accomplish something. It can never be about setting up a system to glorify YOU.
That goes for and especially the QUARTERBACK position. Its not about being the best athlete on the team or best thrower, you have to be mature and responsible enough to put the team on your back and lead them showing you have their best interest at heart.

The real challenge CU has is that the headers ego is actively undermining anyone from stepping up. Even at JSU, it was about nurturing star struck sychophants to cover for him. Sanders is still chasing personal adulation. Any competition to that spotlight (outside his kids) will be challenged by Coach Sanders. He's far too territorial over the spotlight because he's guarding it for his sons (why he doesnt speak up when Shedeur acts like a clown). Can you imagine what would happen if the starting MLB got in Shedeurs face and told him to step it up? Guess whats going to happen when one of those position groups attempts to impose a fine on one of the golden boys? They havent even paid the parking tickets on their Rolls Royces

really?

if  my college "coach"allowed this,  we would have all hated those guys

and with today's rules left in a heartbeat because the "hc" has zero integrity

Again, thank you for taking the time to express the other side in all this. You're likely right here. The NIL era has changed the game irrevocably and with it HS and youth football.

* COACHING IS ABOUT CONTROL *

Is dead. Welcome the new DO WHATCHA WANNA team dynamic. Attract athletes to your 18 month slumber party at Neverland Island is the recipe to just win some durn games.

I'm not attempting to be facetious or smug here. If I've been paying attention thats just frankly where we are. CU is nuveau coaching that we should be paying attention to. Whenever the dinosaurs bring up the tenets of how it used to be done, we're educated the kids need their space to express and feel comfortable. The coach needn't take things that seriously because if the kids are happy everything will work out eventually.
So WHAT should a head coach be doing in this climate? How can we learn to be better and adapt to this new executive leadership paradigm?

Not intending to be hyperbolic. It sounds like our only goal is to turn and burn the roster 1.5 seasons like a JUCO because thats just how it be

Their head coach left for another program. The head coach left to be the HC at one of the premier programs in the nation. Those are not the same things

I don't follow.  What are "not the same things".   I was using UW as just one recent example of the the changes that have taken place in college football.  Never in the history of college football  has a team played for a  CFP  national championship- then seen their coach leave for another school.  Did that ever happen in  the days of the BCS or Bowl Coalition?  When was the last time you saw a team play for a National Championship, and then have 19 players transfer out?   

2024 is a vastly different environment for college football than just 2019.  

I don’t feel that the arguments saying “CFB is different- Sanders is doing things differently, I will wait and see before criticizing the actions” is addressing how others feel about his character.

I actually only get the vibe that one or two have those deep feelings towards his character- the others are simply criticizing his public coaching decisions because they are not what one might define as traditional.

I will say I am not trying to argue against someone’s judgment of his character

I am neithet a supporter nor detractor of Sanders. I just want things to be honestly portrayed. The most recent event ( fashion show attendance by players) is being portrayed by some here as “oh my god Sanders let his two sons skip the introductory team meeting but forced everyone else to attend under penalty of punishment or dismissal regardless of their individual situation”.

Heck one poster went as far as to suggest that Sanders purposely scheduled the meeting on that day specifically to demonstrate to the team that his two sons were better than the team and would be treated as such.

I just don’t see things like that at this time

I'm not going to talk about Sanders's character because I don't know him. I've never been a fan of the wholesale roster rebuild but, as has been said, it's a different world now.

This fashion show thing seems to me like it could go sideways fast and badly. You're already walking a fine line when you're the father of two players now you MAY have to deal with accusations of preferential treatment. If they don't start the season well exerting leadership MAY be a problem.

Rationally maybe the show was too great of an opportunity to pass up and and maybe missing the meeting is no big deal. Locker rooms aren't always rational though.

Jimmy Johnson at the U back in the day? Not saying he would, but he always treated players based on their performance.

  In 2024??? I bet the answer would be almost everyone. “ Hey coach, i’ve got a chance to be involved in an international fashion show with top-of-the-line designers… and get paid while increasing my visibility and name recognition”.

Almost all of them.  

Had Joe Burrow been an underclassmen when LSU won the national title in 2019, and the rules were the same as they are today regarding Name, Image, Likeness compensation I can assure you that if given the opportunity, whoever his coach was would have let him attend.  




Lots seems to be being made over the fact that it was his two sons.  I have to ask, who the heck else is going?  Louis Vuitton, Paris, Fashion show, networking with moguls. .. that encompasses a certain glitz and glamour element and name recognition.    And more importantly, I will ask for the 3rd or 4th time, were other players denied a similar professional opportunity and told they had to attend the meeting? 

anyone that thinks how "coach" prime treated his players at cu with any integrity, lol

even though the tines have changed,, so what? integrity matters

he has none

To play Devils Advocate because I wasnt the one suggesting the motive, but there isnt much in the way of "objective thinking" going on as it pertains to Coach Sanders....and that is the point of the last half of this thread/topic.
By all rights, the man is a megolmaniac. Most DI college football coaches don't intentionally rebrand traditional universities to their personal avatar. Most above board coaches go out of their way to not be accused of nepotism, Sanders swings hard in the opposite direction.
He chooses to do all these unconventional at best, self-absorbed at worst (though consistent with his 40 year history) then turns around with a shocked, "why is everyone against poor little old me?"

Its cute that Shilo & Shedeur just happen to be sought after entertainment commodities, according to Coach Sanders. HE is the one that has been pushing that very thing from the beginning. The CU grift was the epitome of that ploy. 
Now, can you blame a father for wanting his children to have an easier adult life having personally seen what life is about? All athletes are trying to get into some entertainment grift for the easy life, it makes sense. Its when the sport is used as a disposable vehicle for you to {censored} yourself out for KFC and Google endorsements that it gets offensive. You don't really want to make an impact or compete in the sport as much as you want to be a celebrity. THAT is what is at odds with the game of football. That is what most are offended by at the core of it. Deion Sanders propensity since the 90s has been about selling out for the cheapest endorsement, so its not like we don't have a track record to 'judge' his motivations by, particularly when his "coaching decisions" leave so much to doubt.

Nepotism as players or as coaches. If your dad can insert you into a 6-figure coaching gig, something could be said about that. However, COACHING is a lot different than PLAYING.
The Tricket and Hawkins HC/QB in recent memory (where it really matters is the QB position, I imagine). I remember Tricket at FSU getting a lot more scrutiny from the coaching staff than if it were just another kid. Hawkins was a take or leave situation from I recall. It wasn't like there were many options on that roster. Its one thing to have a kid starting....it another thing to have whats going on in Colorado. They are purposely making this the Deion, Shedeur and Shilo Show (guest appearances by'first cousin' Travis Hunter). They are all extensions of Deion, personally. As much lip service as they claim to be independent, they aren't by design.


COACHING...one of the most important things you want on staff is loyalty, so I can see where that helps. Particularly if they know how you operate, your attitude and are connected (by family).
Another thing, "coaching" is actual work (when its done right). Its a particularly thankless endeavor in the scope of "jobs". One would almost think pushing your kids into another vocation would be better than relegating them to a life in the chaos of coaching as a profession.

royal was a racist ahole
I have friends dad's that played for him

I don't know what this stuff has to do with integrity or "prime"

when you have moms and kids tell you about how he did them and their education

yeah

I have a problem with him

the way he did colorado players?  just an extension of the same thing,  the only thing he cares about is himself

low integrity imho