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Post by carookie on Dec 20, 2022 15:32:08 GMT -6
On the topic of kids saying/doing dumb stuff; I hate to be a downer but teaching genuinely made me very pessimistic about the future. The total inability for kids to do seemingly anything is horrifying. After teaching 90 freshman in a health class I would guess that maybe 30% of them could competently put sentences into straight lines with a capital letter and a period. Even more concerning is of those 30% almost all of them were girls. No standards, no accountability, inmates run the asylum behaviorally. Far and away my biggest pet peeve in teaching was the general mindset from so many of them that holding kids accountable or giving them consequences was "mean" or "unfair". That's not helping those kids at all. I keep a book and have done so for the past 4 years, used to do a PPT at the end of the year but now its the book. Its just a running list of all the dumb things kids say in class. At first people think its mean, but the kids get a kick out of it and reminiscing. More importantly, it makes them less self conscious to speak up and possibly make a mistake. We all say dumb things at times, we can laugh about it and not feel bad, it happens to the best of us. Just roll with it and keep talking. The cool thing is this year they are going through the book for the school paper and re-hashing old quotes. |
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Post by bluboy on Dec 20, 2022 15:58:33 GMT -6
"...holding kids accountable or giving them consequences was "mean" or "unfair". That's not helping those kids at all." One of the last years I taught (I'm retired) I had a parent email my supervisor complaining that I did the above, but that kids weren't weren't ready for that (the kid was a junior in high school). That situation was one of the reasons I retired.
Another peeve: Parents whose kids do C-level work (maybe) and want Buffy and Biff to get an A, and the teacher is supposed to make-up the difference. I guess I've ruined a lot of lives by giving students the grades they earned.
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 20, 2022 16:09:15 GMT -6
I teach 5th graders, and we are discussing the Mayans right now. I know it may not seem interesting for the kids, but I try my best and I have kids from prior years always tell me this was the most interesting stuff they learned even when they are older. We are discussing the Spanish coming into the Yucatan Peninsula and timelines so I wanted to start with the beginning of European intro to the Americas so I asked "Christopher Columbus first came to the Americas in what year?". Complete blank stares as well as kids asking who Christopher Columbus was, then a girl shouts out "C'mon guys Christopher Columbus was a president, how do you not know that?" and she was completely serious. Not sure how it relates to pet peeves... but it definitely peeved me. It's because they're not taught a single thing about history or social studies for the first 6 years of school anymore. They're just crammed with math and reading so test scores look better. SS in grade school now is all about social indoctrination. |
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Post by sbackes on Dec 20, 2022 20:43:19 GMT -6
On the topic of kids saying/doing dumb stuff; I hate to be a downer but teaching genuinely made me very pessimistic about the future. The total inability for kids to do seemingly anything is horrifying. After teaching 90 freshman in a health class I would guess that maybe 30% of them could competently put sentences into straight lines with a capital letter and a period. Even more concerning is of those 30% almost all of them were girls. No standards, no accountability, inmates run the asylum behaviorally. Far and away my biggest pet peeve in teaching was the general mindset from so many of them that holding kids accountable or giving them consequences was "mean" or "unfair". That's not helping those kids at all. What peeves me is when they get the perception that consequences are “mean” or “unfair” because there is not consistency between teachers. |
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Post by carookie on Dec 20, 2022 22:30:50 GMT -6
On the topic of kids saying/doing dumb stuff; I hate to be a downer but teaching genuinely made me very pessimistic about the future. The total inability for kids to do seemingly anything is horrifying. After teaching 90 freshman in a health class I would guess that maybe 30% of them could competently put sentences into straight lines with a capital letter and a period. Even more concerning is of those 30% almost all of them were girls. No standards, no accountability, inmates run the asylum behaviorally. Far and away my biggest pet peeve in teaching was the general mindset from so many of them that holding kids accountable or giving them consequences was "mean" or "unfair". That's not helping those kids at all. What peeves me is when they get the perception that consequences are “mean” or “unfair” because there is not consistency between teachers. See, and I look at it differently. I know too many teachers who yell, berate, belittle kids constantly (because thats what they think management ist) and expect me to enforce the same rules the same way in my class, as they try to in their class. Its not romper room in my class, but my ability to command respect and get them to follow directions at a drop-of-a-dime allows me to give them more freedom when needed. In essence, like I tell some colleagues, you manage your class as you see fit & I'll manage mine. |
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Post by bluboy on Dec 21, 2022 5:41:56 GMT -6
"...because there is not consistency between teachers." My dad once told me that one of the biggest issues with raising kids is what other parents do or don't do. The same goes for teaching. When I closed the door to my classroom, I did not expect anyone to put his foot in the way....
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 21, 2022 8:06:31 GMT -6
"...because there is not consistency between teachers." My dad once told me that one of the biggest issues with raising kids is what other parents do or don't do. The same goes for teaching. When I closed the door to my classroom, I did not expect anyone to put his foot in the way.... I agree... most of the difficulty I run into I'd I've got kids who have never svores higher than a C on any test in most of their classes and still get an A because of extra credit and all the other nonsense that inflates grades. Parents are so used to the kids n9t learning and getting an Athat they lose their minds when they can't get above a B+ in my class if they can't do better than a C on tests. Principal knows of at least 2 kids changing schools because they got an A- or B+ from either myself or the math teacher. I've got 75% of my students with A or B of some kind, but because I don't give them an artificial grade boost by watching some Disney movie, I'm the {censored}. Low-ass expectations from everyone else in their life makes it hard to be the only one with higher standards. Last 4 years I took a program that had won 8 games in a decade and we went 10-30 in 4 years... I resigned because "making the kids come to practice/weights is bullying". That ridiculously high standard compared to all the other adults in their life is just unreasonable. I dont see myself as the "get off my lawn" guy, but it gets more and more frustrating with the overall lack of work ethic I see in a vast majority of people, who then cry about how they were "given" some injustice. Glad to be just a coordinator this upcoming year and just support the HC in having higher standards at a different school. |
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 21, 2022 8:27:18 GMT -6
Damn cell-phone changing words in my last post.
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Post by olliebaba14 on Dec 21, 2022 9:21:02 GMT -6
1. Screaming or demeaning a kid. I totally understand yelling at a kid or chewing them out if they commit an egregious PF. But if you lose it on a kid over a trivial matter you’re done
2. Parents demanding their child play X position. At the lower levels all tryouts are in the open and it’s clear and obvious who our skill players are
3. Block somebody!
4. Extreme profanity. Everyone drops a f bomb every now and then but constant cursing I don’t like
5. Coaches who complain about lack of talent on their team but don’t care about developing their players(hello you’re supposed to coach)
6. Kids who jerk around in practice and don’t want to be there. If I could have it my way I’d tell the kids if you want to work hard and put in the time I’ll invest in you until the bitter end. If you wanna play grab grab- quit right now and save everyone the frustration. I can’t do that though
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 21, 2022 9:31:55 GMT -6
This thread is devolving quick but I'd take a class full of girls over a bunch of dudes any day for academic reasons. Generally speaking they care more, work harder, and turn in better chit. The dudes in my class inspire very little hope for our future lol. I know they'll be fine though. Just a lot of immaturity. Especially these covid impacted kids. Covid has fuked sh!t up pretty bad. I hope that it filters it’s way out but I’m not sure if we can go back in my lifetime Our honors kids took an online physics test (weather has been poop)..all but one kid aced the test. When they came back they did a paper pencil quiz, it was 5 of the questions directly from the test. All but one got all of them wrong. |
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Post by Down 'n Out on Dec 21, 2022 9:46:06 GMT -6
"making the kids come to practice/weights is bullying". Who said that??? |
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 21, 2022 11:29:47 GMT -6
Covid has fuked sh!t up pretty bad. I hope that it filters it’s way out but I’m not sure if we can go back in my lifetime Our honors kids took an online physics test (weather has been poop)..all but one kid aced the test. When they came back they did a paper pencil quiz, it was 5 of the questions directly from the test. All but one got all of them wrong. These past 2 groups of high school kids since we decided COVID was over have no idea how to study or function without being able to cheat. I teach Spanish and have some of my worst grades ever, and I'm a pretty soft grader (though not the softest) because it's an elective and I don't want to kill my program because I like having a job here. |
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Post by GuyinOhio on Dec 21, 2022 12:12:49 GMT -6
When a play doesn't work in team offense, and the OC goes "Well that's fine, if that's their defense on Friday I will just run this other play for 600 yards all night" and go onto the next play as if everything is good.
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Post by bluboy on Dec 21, 2022 12:17:28 GMT -6
On the first day of school I would tell my students that earning an A in my class is akin to winning the Congressional Medal of Honor. I used this analogy because
A- students had to go "above and beyond". It was challenging but not impossible. I was not going to reward them for doing the minimum or what was expected. BTW, I did not give extra credit and had parents complain. I would tell parents that they probably would not get a raise if they didn't exceed a quota, or if they simply came to work on time and did what they had to do for their shift. Their response was "It's not the same." When it really is.....
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Post by carookie on Dec 21, 2022 12:39:54 GMT -6
On the first day of school I would tell my students that earning an A in my class is akin to winning the Congressional Medal of Honor. I used this analogy because A- students had to go "above and beyond". It was challenging but not impossible. I was not going to reward them for doing the minimum or what was expected. BTW, I did not give extra credit and had parents complain. I would tell parents that they probably would not get a raise if they didn't exceed a quota, or if they simply came to work on time and did what they had to do for their shift. Their response was "It's not the same." When it really is..... I am interested, what does "above and beyond" mean? Wouldnt earning 'A's on tests and classwork be enough? I don't really give extra credit either, but I've always been you earn what you earn. What is the above and beyond you expect outside of earned scores on work? |
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 21, 2022 14:42:35 GMT -6
"making the kids come to practice/weights is bullying". Who said that??? Parents at the school I was at... Admin didn't agree, but that sums up pretty much everything I had to deal with for 4 years here. You wouldn't even believe the drama I got over, "Ds and Fs are unacceptable, and we will do grade-check 2 times mid-season. Any Ds or Fs and you are not able to play in games until they are all C- or higher". DRAMA... "You are the football coach, you shouldn't punish them for their grades..." "it's unfair that the kids have to keep their grades up, why don't you just worry about it at the end of the quarter" Things like that. One time, I caught kids committing forgery by signing school documents for each other and threatened to not play the game that week because forgery is a serious thing that you shouldn't do... MULTIPLE parent complaints to the office. Not, "Jimmy, your coach is right, you shouldn't forge documents", but instead, "Jimmy, your coach is an {censored} for being mad at you lying/cheating/forging" |
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Post by carookie on Dec 21, 2022 14:55:57 GMT -6
Parents at the school I was at... Admin didn't agree, but that sums up pretty much everything I had to deal with for 4 years here. You wouldn't even believe the drama I got over, "Ds and Fs are unacceptable, and we will do grade-check 2 times mid-season. Any Ds or Fs and you are not able to play in games until they are all C- or higher". DRAMA... "You are the football coach, you shouldn't punish them for their grades..." "it's unfair that the kids have to keep their grades up, why don't you just worry about it at the end of the quarter" Things like that. One time, I caught kids committing forgery by signing school documents for each other and threatened to not play the game that week because forgery is a serious thing that you shouldn't do... MULTIPLE parent complaints to the office. Not, "Jimmy, your coach is right, you shouldn't forge documents", but instead, "Jimmy, your coach is an {censored} for being mad at you lying/cheating/forging" Reminds me of "Coach Carter", who would think parents would get mad for trying to have their kids earn passing grades. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 21, 2022 18:15:01 GMT -6
On the first day of school I would tell my students that earning an A in my class is akin to winning the Congressional Medal of Honor. I used this analogy because A- students had to go "above and beyond". It was challenging but not impossible. I was not going to reward them for doing the minimum or what was expected. BTW, I did not give extra credit and had parents complain. I would tell parents that they probably would not get a raise if they didn't exceed a quota, or if they simply came to work on time and did what they had to do for their shift. Their response was "It's not the same." When it really is..... When asked about extra credit my pat response has always been, "Why would I make more work for myself when you don't do the 'regular' credit?" |
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Post by sbackes on Dec 21, 2022 19:49:55 GMT -6
What peeves me is when they get the perception that consequences are “mean” or “unfair” because there is not consistency between teachers. See, and I look at it differently. I know too many teachers who yell, berate, belittle kids constantly (because thats what they think management ist) and expect me to enforce the same rules the same way in my class, as they try to in their class. Its not romper room in my class, but my ability to command respect and get them to follow directions at a drop-of-a-dime allows me to give them more freedom when needed. In essence, like I tell some colleagues, you manage your class as you see fit & I'll manage mine. I am referring to school-wide policies, not individual classroom management. For example, if all late work is to be deducted 25% per school policy but some don’t follow the established policy and some do, then those that do their job and deduct are seen as “mean” or “unfair”. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 22, 2022 7:46:55 GMT -6
Parents at the school I was at... Admin didn't agree, but that sums up pretty much everything I had to deal with for 4 years here. You wouldn't even believe the drama I got over, "Ds and Fs are unacceptable, and we will do grade-check 2 times mid-season. Any Ds or Fs and you are not able to play in games until they are all C- or higher". DRAMA... "You are the football coach, you shouldn't punish them for their grades..." "it's unfair that the kids have to keep their grades up, why don't you just worry about it at the end of the quarter" Things like that. One time, I caught kids committing forgery by signing school documents for each other and threatened to not play the game that week because forgery is a serious thing that you shouldn't do... MULTIPLE parent complaints to the office. Not, "Jimmy, your coach is right, you shouldn't forge documents", but instead, "Jimmy, your coach is an {censored} for being mad at you lying/cheating/forging" Gosh that program has tumbled a long way since they were THE team to beat (a few years before your era). I imagine there wasn't much accountability going on there during those days though. |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 22, 2022 8:17:07 GMT -6
On the first day of school I would tell my students that earning an A in my class is akin to winning the Congressional Medal of Honor. I used this analogy because A- students had to go "above and beyond". It was challenging but not impossible. I was not going to reward them for doing the minimum or what was expected. BTW, I did not give extra credit and had parents complain. I would tell parents that they probably would not get a raise if they didn't exceed a quota, or if they simply came to work on time and did what they had to do for their shift. Their response was "It's not the same." When it really is..... When asked about extra credit my pat response has always been, "Why would I make more work for myself when you don't do the 'regular' credit?" Ya. On the first day of classes I'd always make it a point to say I never did extra credit. Never stopped them from asking with about 2 days left in the semester/year. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 22, 2022 8:38:25 GMT -6
When asked about extra credit my pat response has always been, "Why would I make more work for myself when you don't do the 'regular' credit?" Ya. On the first day of classes I'd always make it a point to say I never did extra credit. Never stopped them from asking with about 2 days left in the semester/year. Only extra credit I sometimes offer is the exam review guide because most kids don't really need to do it anyway as they're fine, but even that isn't a yearly thing. Kids will ask for it before that and I tell them the reason they're asking is they couldn't handle the regular work load. How in the hell are they going to do extra? Again, I teach an elective. We challenge the kids but we are far from the most rigorous class on their schedule. |
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Post by carookie on Dec 22, 2022 12:33:35 GMT -6
When asked about extra credit my pat response has always been, "Why would I make more work for myself when you don't do the 'regular' credit?" Ya. On the first day of classes I'd always make it a point to say I never did extra credit. Never stopped them from asking with about 2 days left in the semester/year. I do a running total of extra credit in my class, if you win a competition (we have a lot of academic competitions) or make a reference or smart comment I like. The kids always compete to earn extra credit, the thing that so few realize is I dish it out in .01 points at a time. Mind you this isn't .01 % of a grade, rather .01 of a point on an assignment. So it literally has NO impact on their grade. I think the highest total anyone got this past semester was .42; so thats .42 points added on to the roughly 500 points of graded work they already had. I don't give extra credit assignments, I tell them why would I bump up your grade because you made a sparkly poster? As long as you take good notes and study, you will do fine. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 22, 2022 18:39:18 GMT -6
Ya. On the first day of classes I'd always make it a point to say I never did extra credit. Never stopped them from asking with about 2 days left in the semester/year. I do a running total of extra credit in my class, if you win a competition (we have a lot of academic competitions) or make a reference or smart comment I like. The kids always compete to earn extra credit, the thing that so few realize is I dish it out in .01 points at a time. Mind you this isn't .01 % of a grade, rather .01 of a point on an assignment. So it literally has NO impact on their grade. I think the highest total anyone got this past semester was .42; so thats .42 points added on to the roughly 500 points of graded work they already had. I don't give extra credit assignments, I tell them why would I bump up your grade because you made a sparkly poster? As long as you take good notes and study, you will do fine. yeah, I teach 2 SS electives: sociology and world history...... and no AP/honors. I tell all my kids up front; "Look this class ain't going to be hard, but you have to at least do 10 minutes (out of a 45/50 minute period) of work EACH and EVERY day to pass." I give out printed progress reports every week. I conference with all my failures twice each quarter. We have a built in remediation/club period Monday- Thursday, and Tuesday is the SS override day. I had a kid get a 3 in my class. |
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Post by CS on Dec 22, 2022 19:03:02 GMT -6
I do a running total of extra credit in my class, if you win a competition (we have a lot of academic competitions) or make a reference or smart comment I like. The kids always compete to earn extra credit, the thing that so few realize is I dish it out in .01 points at a time. Mind you this isn't .01 % of a grade, rather .01 of a point on an assignment. So it literally has NO impact on their grade. I think the highest total anyone got this past semester was .42; so thats .42 points added on to the roughly 500 points of graded work they already had. I don't give extra credit assignments, I tell them why would I bump up your grade because you made a sparkly poster? As long as you take good notes and study, you will do fine. yeah, I teach 2 SS electives: sociology and world history...... and no AP/honors. I tell all my kids up front; "Look this class ain't going to be hard, but you have to at least do 10 minutes (out of a 45/50 minute period) of work EACH and EVERY day to pass." I give out printed progress reports every week. I conference with all my failures twice each quarter. We have a built in remediation/club period Monday- Thursday, and Tuesday is the SS override day. I had a kid get a 3 in my class. Because they know the system will pass them |
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Post by carookie on Dec 22, 2022 20:13:02 GMT -6
I do a running total of extra credit in my class, if you win a competition (we have a lot of academic competitions) or make a reference or smart comment I like. The kids always compete to earn extra credit, the thing that so few realize is I dish it out in .01 points at a time. Mind you this isn't .01 % of a grade, rather .01 of a point on an assignment. So it literally has NO impact on their grade. I think the highest total anyone got this past semester was .42; so thats .42 points added on to the roughly 500 points of graded work they already had. I don't give extra credit assignments, I tell them why would I bump up your grade because you made a sparkly poster? As long as you take good notes and study, you will do fine. yeah, I teach 2 SS electives: sociology and world history...... and no AP/honors. I tell all my kids up front; "Look this class ain't going to be hard, but you have to at least do 10 minutes (out of a 45/50 minute period) of work EACH and EVERY day to pass." I give out printed progress reports every week. I conference with all my failures twice each quarter. We have a built in remediation/club period Monday- Thursday, and Tuesday is the SS override day. I had a kid get a 3 in my class. Hahaha a 3? Like a 3%? Been there, done that. Been at plenty of schools where you get kids like that. Actually, even when I taught at inner-city schools or court schools most kids don't pull that nonsense. But I've had my fair share of kids who are out high most of the days and not in class, or the ones who are only there because their P.O. requires it, and though they aren't gonna disrupt things they aint doing much else. I'm good now, been doing MS history for the past 4 years, just took all my old AP and honors stuff and brought it down with me. The only difference is I let them use their notes on tests- so if they pay attention to lectures and copy notes they have all the info with them and nail it. Teaches good study habits which they can build on. |
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 23, 2022 7:09:03 GMT -6
yep, 3%... failed every class but PE
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Post by Defcord on Dec 23, 2022 11:03:33 GMT -6
yep, 3%... failed every class but PE My son last year in 7th grade was the opposite. He had 100 or higher in every class. Hes no genius but He’s smart enough. He has both teacher parents so he understands how it works. When his interim came out he has a 98 in PE. I was like what the fell. I emailed his teacher to make sure he didn't miss a dress out or wasn’t being an assshole and she said he was her best student they just didn’t give 100s cause it made the department look bad. I was like is middle school PE so I’m not throwing a fit bit that’s pretty damn silly. |
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Post by CS on Dec 23, 2022 11:12:34 GMT -6
yep, 3%... failed every class but PE My son last year in 7th grade was the opposite. He had 100 or higher in every class. Hes no genius but He’s smart enough. He has both teacher parents so he understands how it works. When his interim came out he has a 98 in PE. I was like what the fell. I emailed his teacher to make sure he didn't miss a dress out or wasn’t being an assshole and she said he was her best student they just didn’t give 100s cause it made the department look bad. I was like is middle school PE so I’m not throwing a fit bit that’s pretty damn silly. Our 7th grade head coach gives all the kids 99% for football instead of just a P for pass. Says nobody deserves a 100 and he’s dead serious. He believes it like that 1 point matters in the slightest. Some people are weird |
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Post by Defcord on Dec 23, 2022 12:02:36 GMT -6
My son last year in 7th grade was the opposite. He had 100 or higher in every class. Hes no genius but He’s smart enough. He has both teacher parents so he understands how it works. When his interim came out he has a 98 in PE. I was like what the fell. I emailed his teacher to make sure he didn't miss a dress out or wasn’t being an assshole and she said he was her best student they just didn’t give 100s cause it made the department look bad. I was like is middle school PE so I’m not throwing a fit bit that’s pretty damn silly. Our 7th grade head coach gives all the kids 99% for football instead of just a P for pass. Says nobody deserves a 100 and he’s dead serious. He believes it like that 1 point matters in the slightest. Some people are weird That guys an idiot. I guess we all have our own kinds of stupid. I try to hide mine a little better than a policy like that. |
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