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Post by silkyice on Oct 21, 2021 15:34:01 GMT -6
We kicked 1 FG in my 22 years of coaching as an assistant and HC... Are you bragging, or complaining? This is one of the best comments ever on CoachHuey. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 21, 2021 17:46:36 GMT -6
We kicked 1 FG in my 22 years of coaching as an assistant and HC... Wait wut?  You are joking. Nope. The one year we had a good kicker, we averaged 45pts a game. Never was a need to try a FG. We tried once to kick a FG that year. The team we were playing overloaded our left side with 8 people. Our holder stood up and ran to make it 53-0 at half. We even took a knee at the one to call timeout to kick it. I was not pleased. The rest of my years, we just had crappy kickers. PS- our kicker in 2013 kicked the entire year with casts on both his arms because he broke both wrists at our scrimmage. That was always an interesting story to tell before the game to the refs. |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 21, 2021 17:48:14 GMT -6
We kicked 1 FG in my 22 years of coaching as an assistant and HC... Are you bragging, or complaining? Neither. Just saying that having the ability to kick any FG isn't something everyone enjoys. |
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Post by newhope on Oct 22, 2021 7:53:38 GMT -6
Wait wut? You are joking. Nope. The one year we had a good kicker, we averaged 45pts a game. Never was a need to try a FG. We tried once to kick a FG that year. The team we were playing overloaded our left side with 8 people. Our holder stood up and ran to make it 53-0 at half. We even took a knee at the one to call timeout to kick it. I was not pleased. The rest of my years, we just had crappy kickers. PS- our kicker in 2013 kicked the entire year with casts on both his arms because he broke both wrists at our scrimmage. That was always an interesting story to tell before the game to the refs. Casts on both arms for a kicker are pretty good. Had a DT play like that for a few games one year. But---actually won a game on a field goal and the kicker had one of those foot braces on his plant foot because of a broken bone in his foot...I kid you not |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 23, 2021 18:31:53 GMT -6
Week 8-
San Diego jumped on top of PC after a safety, and a turnover in their own territory. However after Scoring on a nice 7 play drive to cut the lead to 29-14 in the 2nd quarter, and getting a defensive stop, Kelley's team took possession of the ball on their own 9. PC went for it on 4th and 7 from their own 12 yard line with about 2:30 left in the half. Didn't get it, San Diego scores easily and goes up 35-14 at the half.
PC gets the ball to open the 2nd half, drives down and scores. 35-21. PC D gets another stop, and their offense takes possession at their on 27. They go for it on 4th and 1 at their own 36. Fail to convert. SD scores to go up 43-21 (went for 2). PC gets ball back, according to the play by play tries to punt on 4th and 13 from their own 22, gets it blocked for a TD. Down 49-21. with 7 minutes left in the 3rd.
Game ends up 69-28.
Not saying that PC would win, as they don't appear to be a very strong program (hence why Kelley was hired presumably). But this seems like a situation where a conventional approach might have led to a better result, and kept the weaker team within striking distance longer when anything could happen. I mean potentially the game could have been 28-21 in the middle of the 3rd instead of 49-21.
I think this is an interesting real time "experiment" that we as coaches get to experience as compared to all of our "what if" discussions here. Sure it is not ironclad, but it is fun.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 23, 2021 19:50:16 GMT -6
Week 8- San Diego jumped on top of PC after a safety, and a turnover in their own territory. However after Scoring on a nice 7 play drive to cut the lead to 29-14 in the 2nd quarter, and getting a defensive stop, Kelley's team took possession of the ball on their own 9. PC went for it on 4th and 7 from their own 12 yard line with about 2:30 left in the half. Didn't get it, San Diego scores easily and goes up 35-14 at the half. PC gets the ball to open the 2nd half, drives down and scores. 35-21. PC D gets another stop, and their offense takes possession at their on 27. They go for it on 4th and 1 at their own 36. Fail to convert. SD scores to go up 43-21 (went for 2). PC gets ball back, according to the play by play tries to punt on 4th and 13 from their own 22, gets it blocked for a TD. Down 49-21. with 7 minutes left in the 3rd. Game ends up 69-28. Not saying that PC would win, as they don't appear to be a very strong program (hence why Kelley was hired presumably). But this seems like a situation where a conventional approach might have led to a better result, and kept the weaker team within striking distance longer when anything could happen. I mean potentially the game could have been 28-21 in the middle of the 3rd instead of 49-21. I think this is an interesting real time "experiment" that we as coaches get to experience as compared to all of our "what if" discussions here. Sure it is not ironclad, but it is fun. Also, 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 are vastly different in high school and college and pro. Would love to find out the stats of how often those are converted on the three levels, but I guarantee that the percentage of converting 4th and 1 in high school is MUCH higher. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 23, 2021 20:20:05 GMT -6
Week 8- San Diego jumped on top of PC after a safety, and a turnover in their own territory. However after Scoring on a nice 7 play drive to cut the lead to 29-14 in the 2nd quarter, and getting a defensive stop, Kelley's team took possession of the ball on their own 9. PC went for it on 4th and 7 from their own 12 yard line with about 2:30 left in the half. Didn't get it, San Diego scores easily and goes up 35-14 at the half. PC gets the ball to open the 2nd half, drives down and scores. 35-21. PC D gets another stop, and their offense takes possession at their on 27. They go for it on 4th and 1 at their own 36. Fail to convert. SD scores to go up 43-21 (went for 2). PC gets ball back, according to the play by play tries to punt on 4th and 13 from their own 22, gets it blocked for a TD. Down 49-21. with 7 minutes left in the 3rd. Game ends up 69-28. Not saying that PC would win, as they don't appear to be a very strong program (hence why Kelley was hired presumably). But this seems like a situation where a conventional approach might have led to a better result, and kept the weaker team within striking distance longer when anything could happen. I mean potentially the game could have been 28-21 in the middle of the 3rd instead of 49-21. I think this is an interesting real time "experiment" that we as coaches get to experience as compared to all of our "what if" discussions here. Sure it is not ironclad, but it is fun. Also, 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 are vastly different in high school and college and pro. Would love to find out the stats of how often those are converted on the three levels, but I guarantee that the percentage of converting 4th and 1 in high school is MUCH higher. Yes, but given PC's offensive system, I am not sure if the difference in yardage really matters as much to them in particular. Their QB is averaging 46 pass attempts a game. I do think you are right though, and going for it is higher percentage play in HS on average. |
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Post by bulldogsdc on Oct 25, 2021 6:56:59 GMT -6
Wait wut? You are joking. Nope. The one year we had a good kicker, we averaged 45pts a game. Never was a need to try a FG. We tried once to kick a FG that year. The team we were playing overloaded our left side with 8 people. Our holder stood up and ran to make it 53-0 at half. We even took a knee at the one to call timeout to kick it. I was not pleased. The rest of my years, we just had crappy kickers. PS- our kicker in 2013 kicked the entire year with casts on both his arms because he broke both wrists at our scrimmage. That was always an interesting story to tell before the game to the refs. I read about your kicker on Reddit one time.... |
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Post by larrymoe on Oct 25, 2021 7:26:00 GMT -6
Nope. The one year we had a good kicker, we averaged 45pts a game. Never was a need to try a FG. We tried once to kick a FG that year. The team we were playing overloaded our left side with 8 people. Our holder stood up and ran to make it 53-0 at half. We even took a knee at the one to call timeout to kick it. I was not pleased. The rest of my years, we just had crappy kickers. PS- our kicker in 2013 kicked the entire year with casts on both his arms because he broke both wrists at our scrimmage. That was always an interesting story to tell before the game to the refs. I read about your kicker on Reddit one time.... What? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 30, 2021 20:29:36 GMT -6
My weekly Update-from the espn play by play-- because I find this fascinating.
Week 9
The "no punt" strategy resulted in a turnover on downs at their own 27 resulting in a 7-0 deficit 3 minutes into the game. They actually punted their second drive, but Stetson still drove down and scored.
Their offense then threw an interception, but the defense held, then they had an 8 play drive that started at their own 12, but turned the ball over on downs on their own 34 on a 4th and 8. Defense still held and Stetson missed a FG.
Score is 14-0 with 7 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. PC goes 4 and out from their own 30, Stetson scores on the short field to make it 21-0 with 4 minutes to go in the half. PC throws a pick six to make it 28-0 at the half.
Defense holds on a drive to start the 3rd quarter, throws a pick on the next play. Defense holds on a 7 play drive (another missed field goal). PC goes 3 and out, PUNTS, but gives up a 2 play scoring drive. 35-0. PC gets ball back, goes 4 and out, gives Stetson the ball on short field again (+30) Stetson scores in 5 plays. 42-0 with 7 minutes left in 3rd quarter. Trade some touchdowns, turn the ball over some, trade some punts... end of game 52-14.
Seems like their D hung in their a bit, even while playing on a short field almost the entire game.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 31, 2021 11:27:43 GMT -6
My weekly Update-from the espn play by play-- because I find this fascinating. Week 9 The "no punt" strategy resulted in a turnover on downs at their own 27 resulting in a 7-0 deficit 3 minutes into the game. They actually punted their second drive, but Stetson still drove down and scored. Their offense then threw an interception, but the defense held, then they had an 8 play drive that started at their own 12, but turned the ball over on downs on their own 34 on a 4th and 8. Defense still held and Stetson missed a FG. Score is 14-0 with 7 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. PC goes 4 and out from their own 30, Stetson scores on the short field to make it 21-0 with 4 minutes to go in the half. PC throws a pick six to make it 28-0 at the half. Defense holds on a drive to start the 3rd quarter, throws a pick on the next play. Defense holds on a 7 play drive (another missed field goal). PC goes 3 and out, PUNTS, but gives up a 2 play scoring drive. 35-0. PC gets ball back, goes 4 and out, gives Stetson the ball on short field again (+30) Stetson scores in 5 plays. 42-0 with 7 minutes left in 3rd quarter. Trade some touchdowns, turn the ball over some, trade some punts... end of game 52-14. Seems like their D hung in their a bit, even while playing on a short field almost the entire game. I actually like these updates. Mainly because the not punting is stupid. I get that you should go for it a lot more than the traditional way. I actually probably go for it more than most. But here is my MAIN issue. The "not punting" strategy should definitely either be at strategic times or your should be a RUN first type of offense. Not punting definitely fits with that much more than pass first. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 31, 2021 11:36:30 GMT -6
My weekly Update-from the espn play by play-- because I find this fascinating. Week 9 The "no punt" strategy resulted in a turnover on downs at their own 27 resulting in a 7-0 deficit 3 minutes into the game. They actually punted their second drive, but Stetson still drove down and scored. Their offense then threw an interception, but the defense held, then they had an 8 play drive that started at their own 12, but turned the ball over on downs on their own 34 on a 4th and 8. Defense still held and Stetson missed a FG. Score is 14-0 with 7 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. PC goes 4 and out from their own 30, Stetson scores on the short field to make it 21-0 with 4 minutes to go in the half. PC throws a pick six to make it 28-0 at the half. Defense holds on a drive to start the 3rd quarter, throws a pick on the next play. Defense holds on a 7 play drive (another missed field goal). PC goes 3 and out, PUNTS, but gives up a 2 play scoring drive. 35-0. PC gets ball back, goes 4 and out, gives Stetson the ball on short field again (+30) Stetson scores in 5 plays. 42-0 with 7 minutes left in 3rd quarter. Trade some touchdowns, turn the ball over some, trade some punts... end of game 52-14. Seems like their D hung in their a bit, even while playing on a short field almost the entire game. I actually like these updates. Mainly because the not punting is stupid. I get that you should go for it a lot more than the traditional way. I actually probably go for it more than most. But here is my MAIN issue. The "not punting" strategy should definitely either be at strategic times or your should be a RUN first type of offense. Not punting definitely fits with that much more than pass first. In article recapping this latest game, it was stated that PC is 18 for 59 on 4th down conversions this year. Also of note, they punted (with a punter, not qb) for the first time this season. The punter actually punted 3 times. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 7, 2021 16:15:54 GMT -6
I actually like these updates. Mainly because the not punting is stupid. I get that you should go for it a lot more than the traditional way. I actually probably go for it more than most. But here is my MAIN issue. The "not punting" strategy should definitely either be at strategic times or your should be a RUN first type of offense. Not punting definitely fits with that much more than pass first. In article recapping this latest game, it was stated that PC is 18 for 59 on 4th down conversions this year. Also of note, they punted (with a punter, not qb) for the first time this season. The punter actually punted 3 times. It would be interesting to see their 3rd down conversion rate.... I think the idea is to score more points than the other team not just score points......perhaps it works better if you have better players |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 7, 2021 16:15:59 GMT -6
Week 10 update
1st possession, going for it on 4th and 5 at their own 37 was successful, extended the drive and scored two plays later on a long QB run. Score 8-0 Opponent drives and scores. 8-8
2nd Possession, going for it on 4th and 8 at their own 29 was not successful, opponent scored in 2 plays to go up 8-14.
3rd and 4th possessions, punted on 4th and 10+ Opponent scores after each. Score 8-28
5th Pos- Long drive resulting in TD. 14-28
6th Pos - Converting a 4th and 3 on their own 38 led to a 12 play touchdown drive. Score 22-28.
7th Pos 2 play TD drive score 28-31
8th Pos 17 yard punt on 4th and 25 from their 3 yard line.
9th Pos INT to end the half Score 28-38.
10th Pos Int
11th Pos Convert 4th and 1 on own 46 to extend the drive. Ends 3 plays later with INT
12 Pos- Failed to convert 4th and 19 from own 40 .. Score is 28 - 38. 6 play Valpo drive from the +40. Score 28-45
13 Pos 5 play drive resulting in TD Score 34-45
14 Pos 3 play drive TD. Score 40-52 14 minutes left in the 4th quarter.
15 Pos 5 play drive TD Score 48-58 Recover onside kick
16 Pos Convert 4th and 6 at Valpo 49 to extend drive. 9 play TD drive Score 55-58. Valpo drives down and scores.
17 Pos Failed to convert 4th and 14 from own 32 with 5 minutes to do down 55-65.
18 Pos Failed to convert 4th and 2 at own 43 with 3 minutes left.
Valpo runs out clock.
Clearly their defense is PUTRID.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 7, 2021 16:21:22 GMT -6
In article recapping this latest game, it was stated that PC is 18 for 59 on 4th down conversions this year. Also of note, they punted (with a punter, not qb) for the first time this season. The punter actually punted 3 times. It would be interesting to see their 3rd down conversion rate.... I think the idea is to score more points than the other team not just score points......perhaps it works better if you have better players According to ESPN 35% 49-140 But that would be reliant on the SID's and as we know that is usually an understaffed position at a school like PC. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 8, 2021 10:36:52 GMT -6
Week 10 update 1st possession, going for it on 4th and 5 at their own 37 was successful, extended the drive and scored two plays later on a long QB run. Score 8-0 Opponent drives and scores. 8-8 2nd Possession, going for it on 4th and 8 at their own 29 was not successful, opponent scored in 2 plays to go up 8-14. 3rd and 4th possessions, punted on 4th and 10+ Opponent scores after each. Score 8-28 5th Pos- Long drive resulting in TD. 14-28 6th Pos - Converting a 4th and 3 on their own 38 led to a 12 play touchdown drive. Score 22-28. 7th Pos 2 play TD drive score 28-31 8th Pos 17 yard punt on 4th and 25 from their 3 yard line. 9th Pos INT to end the half Score 28-38. 10th Pos Int 11th Pos Convert 4th and 1 on own 46 to extend the drive. Ends 3 plays later with INT 12 Pos- Failed to convert 4th and 19 from own 40 .. Score is 28 - 38. 6 play Valpo drive from the +40. Score 28-45 13 Pos 5 play drive resulting in TD Score 34-45 14 Pos 3 play drive TD. Score 40-52 14 minutes left in the 4th quarter. 15 Pos 5 play drive TD Score 48-58 Recover onside kick 16 Pos Convert 4th and 6 at Valpo 49 to extend drive. 9 play TD drive Score 55-58. Valpo drives down and scores. 17 Pos Failed to convert 4th and 14 from own 32 with 5 minutes to do down 55-65. 18 Pos Failed to convert 4th and 2 at own 43 with 3 minutes left. Valpo runs out clock. Clearly their defense is PUTRID. I am wondering id they put all their best players on offense. It seems to me that perhaps if they could make a couple of stops that would help things |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2021 11:33:09 GMT -6
I am wondering id they put all their best players on offense. It seems to me that perhaps if they could make a couple of stops that would help things This is a D1 university. I think their defensive players are their defensive players. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 12:11:51 GMT -6
I am wondering id they put all their best players on offense. It seems to me that perhaps if they could make a couple of stops that would help things This is a D1 university. I think their defensive players are their defensive players. I think he meant that they may have set up the rosters in the off-season so that all the talent went to offense (even if it meant some position changes) and the defensive players were whatever was left. That seems like something that would fit an approach like what Kelley has taken. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2021 14:00:21 GMT -6
This is a D1 university. I think their defensive players are their defensive players. I think he meant that they may have set up the rosters in the off-season so that all the talent went to offense (even if it meant some position changes) and the defensive players were whatever was left. That seems like something that would fit an approach like what Kelley has taken. I don't think that is how college roster works besides maybe one or two kids. No? All these players are d1 scholarship players that were recruited. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 8, 2021 14:44:00 GMT -6
Week 10 update 1st possession, going for it on 4th and 5 at their own 37 was successful, extended the drive and scored two plays later on a long QB run. Score 8-0 Opponent drives and scores. 8-8 2nd Possession, going for it on 4th and 8 at their own 29 was not successful, opponent scored in 2 plays to go up 8-14. 3rd and 4th possessions, punted on 4th and 10+ Opponent scores after each. Score 8-28 5th Pos- Long drive resulting in TD. 14-28 6th Pos - Converting a 4th and 3 on their own 38 led to a 12 play touchdown drive. Score 22-28. 7th Pos 2 play TD drive score 28-31 8th Pos 17 yard punt on 4th and 25 from their 3 yard line. 9th Pos INT to end the half Score 28-38. 10th Pos Int 11th Pos Convert 4th and 1 on own 46 to extend the drive. Ends 3 plays later with INT 12 Pos- Failed to convert 4th and 19 from own 40 .. Score is 28 - 38. 6 play Valpo drive from the +40. Score 28-45 13 Pos 5 play drive resulting in TD Score 34-45 14 Pos 3 play drive TD. Score 40-52 14 minutes left in the 4th quarter. 15 Pos 5 play drive TD Score 48-58 Recover onside kick 16 Pos Convert 4th and 6 at Valpo 49 to extend drive. 9 play TD drive Score 55-58. Valpo drives down and scores. 17 Pos Failed to convert 4th and 14 from own 32 with 5 minutes to do down 55-65. 18 Pos Failed to convert 4th and 2 at own 43 with 3 minutes left. Valpo runs out clock. Clearly their defense is PUTRID. I am wondering id they put all their best players on offense. It seems to me that perhaps if they could make a couple of stops that would help things I looked at their roster and I think it solved the mystery about why the defense is so bad. It doesn't look like a D.1 roster. It looks like they used their schollies on offense and are filling in on defense with warm bodies. It's Kelly's first year so obviously that isn't all his fault. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 8, 2021 18:00:50 GMT -6
I think he meant that they may have set up the rosters in the off-season so that all the talent went to offense (even if it meant some position changes) and the defensive players were whatever was left. That seems like something that would fit an approach like what Kelley has taken. I don't think that is how college roster works besides maybe one or two kids. No? All these players are d1 scholarship players that were recruited. PC (and the other members of the pioneer league) are non scholarship football programs |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 8, 2021 19:21:19 GMT -6
I don't think that is how college roster works besides maybe one or two kids. No? All these players are d1 scholarship players that were recruited. PC (and the other members of the pioneer league) are non scholarship football programs I stand corrected. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 9, 2021 18:04:53 GMT -6
PC (and the other members of the pioneer league) are non scholarship football programs I stand corrected. They are still recruited players they are simply not scholarship. PC started transitioning to Non Scholly ball 3 years ago. When they announced it, most of their scholarship players departed. They probably have a limited number of need-based financial aid packages that the league allows teams to award. But I believe your main idea is still accurate. The players have been recruited to play football. |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 9, 2021 19:17:09 GMT -6
They are still recruited players they are simply not scholarship. They probably have a limited number of need-based financial aid packages that the league allows teams to give I will still stand my assertion that the defensive players are defensive players and offensive players are offensive players. Of course a couple each year might swap, but that would be just occasionally like it is a Power 5 schools. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 9, 2021 19:49:24 GMT -6
They are still recruited players they are simply not scholarship. They probably have a limited number of need-based financial aid packages that the league allows teams to give I will still stand my assertion that the defensive players are defensive players and offensive players are offensive players. Of course a couple each year might swap, but that would be just occasionally like it is a Power 5 schools. True but is recruiting defensive players a priority? |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 9, 2021 19:54:48 GMT -6
I will still stand my assertion that the defensive players are defensive players and offensive players are offensive players. Of course a couple each year might swap, but that would be just occasionally like it is a Power 5 schools. True but is recruiting defensive players a priority? This is his first year as a HC, so I would speculate the current core group of players were not Kelley's recruits. |
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Post by fantom on Nov 9, 2021 20:07:22 GMT -6
True but is recruiting defensive players a priority? This is his first year as a HC, so I would speculate the current core group of players were not Kelley's recruits. True. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 10, 2021 7:01:54 GMT -6
This is his first year as a HC, so I would speculate the current core group of players were not Kelley's recruits. True. However, and this is pure speculation here, based off of his quotes and comments regarding other aspects of the game I don’t think it is preposterous to assume he might not spend as much time on the defensive side of the ball |
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Post by silkyice on Nov 10, 2021 9:02:58 GMT -6
However, and this is pure speculation here, based off of his quotes and comments regarding other aspects of the game I don’t think it is preposterous to assume he might not spend as much time on the defensive side of the ball Again, this is still a d1 football team. I would imagine that they have full time defensive coaches and they platoon practice. This is not a high school team that puts all their best players on offense and practices defense 10 minutes a day. This thread has just taken a weird turn in my opinion by worry about things like that. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 10, 2021 10:23:56 GMT -6
However, and this is pure speculation here, based off of his quotes and comments regarding other aspects of the game I don’t think it is preposterous to assume he might not spend as much time on the defensive side of the ball Again, this is still a d1 football team. I would imagine that they have full time defensive coaches and they platoon practice. This is not a high school team that puts all their best players on offense and practices defense 10 minutes a day. This thread has just taken a weird turn in my opinion by worry about things like that. On every college football I coached (assistant not HC) there were always players that crossed sides. In fact we would actively recruit each others kids. Hey why be a third team DT when you could start at OT ETC. You don't see it as much in major college but it happens at the lower levels...Slow RB's that could find a hole always make great ILB's |
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